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Was There Ever Any Atheist Leader Who Was Kind, Honest, Sober And Had A Stable Family Life? |
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-great-how-lack-of.html
Thursday, May 03, 2007
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.
Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.
Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.
Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.
It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint. There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.
Why is that?
Admittedly, many theists have been evil as well. However some have
been truly great - for example the Vilna Gaon, the Chofetz Chaim, the
Chazon Ish and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. But atheism never has leaders
like that.
Personally, I would compare theism to health care. In health care,
there are plenty of quacks, bogus fitness equipment and dangerous
diets. On the other hand, there are some excellent programs as well.
So someone who says, "Forget about a healthy lifestyle; all that stuff
is nonsense" is not a shrewd skeptic; he's a self-indulgent fool.
So perhaps, as Mr. Hitchens writes, God is not great - if you want to
be a selfish creep and not feel guilty about it.
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15 May 2007 09:21:04 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote in message
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http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-great-how-lack-of.html
Thursday, May 03, 2007
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.
I thought he was anti-Semolina, not anti-Semite. And wouldn't it be odd if
he were anti-himself since he met the dictionalry definition of a Semite?
Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.
But was he a leader? I understand that his books did not sell well. i find
them a very hard read.
Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.
That's only your opinion. In his opinion he was totally real.
Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.
I guess to get married that many times, it would help to sleep around some,
or did his wives die of boredom listening to philosophical ideas?
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
How does that disqualify one from being kind, honest and sober with a nice
family?
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
You keep saying these nasty things about kind, wonderful people.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
And is there a better way to embezzle?
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.
It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint. There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.
Why is that?
I don't know. The Catholic Church says I can't be a Saint or have any
friends. That's why I'm sad and lonely.
Admittedly, many theists have been evil as well. However some have
been truly great - for example the Vilna Gaon, the Chofetz Chaim, the
Chazon Ish and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. But atheism never has leaders
like that.
Never has leaders I never heard of. Interesting
Personally, I would compare theism to health care. In health care,
there are plenty of quacks, bogus fitness equipment and dangerous
diets. On the other hand, there are some excellent programs as well.
So someone who says, "Forget about a healthy lifestyle; all that stuff
is nonsense" is not a shrewd skeptic; he's a self-indulgent fool.
And Atheism I would compare to a Big Mac with a milkshake and fries.
So perhaps, as Mr. Hitchens writes, God is not great - if you want to
be a selfish creep and not feel guilty about it.
I always felt guilty about wanting to be a selfish creep, so you are right
about one thing at least.
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15 May 2007 07:24:08 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote in message
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http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-great-how-lack-of.html
It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint.
You can't be serious writing crap like that.
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| User: "chazwin" |
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18 May 2007 01:30:32 AM |
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Have you ever heard of A. Lincoln or B. Franklin, ot T. Jefferson?
There were also many others who, becasue of the prevailing political
stranglehold that religion has over the populace, were atheist but
pretending to be religious: Churchill, Ghandi..
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-grea...
Thursday, May 03, 2007
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
NONE of these are political leaders fool!
Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.
Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.
Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.
Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.
It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint. There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.
Why is that?
Admittedly, many theists have been evil as well. However some have
been truly great - for example the Vilna Gaon, the Chofetz Chaim, the
Chazon Ish and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. But atheism never has leaders
like that.
Personally, I would compare theism to health care. In health care,
there are plenty of quacks, bogus fitness equipment and dangerous
diets. On the other hand, there are some excellent programs as well.
So someone who says, "Forget about a healthy lifestyle; all that stuff
is nonsense" is not a shrewd skeptic; he's a self-indulgent fool.
So perhaps, as Mr. Hitchens writes, God is not great - if you want to
be a selfish creep and not feel guilty about it.
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18 May 2007 01:43:57 AM |
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On May 18, 3:30 pm, chazwin <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Have you ever heard of A. Lincoln or B. Franklin, ot T. Jefferson?
There were also many others who, becasue of the prevailing political
stranglehold that religion has over the populace, were atheist but
pretending to be religious: Churchill, Ghandi..
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-grea...
Thursday, May 03, 2007
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
NONE of these are political leaders fool!
Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.
Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.
Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.
Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.
It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint. There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.
Why is that?
Admittedly, many theists have been evil as well. However some have
been truly great - for example the Vilna Gaon, the Chofetz Chaim, the
Chazon Ish and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. But atheism never has leaders
like that.
Personally, I would compare theism to health care. In health care,
there are plenty of quacks, bogus fitness equipment and dangerous
diets. On the other hand, there are some excellent programs as well.
So someone who says, "Forget about a healthy lifestyle; all that stuff
is nonsense" is not a shrewd skeptic; he's a self-indulgent fool.
So perhaps, as Mr. Hitchens writes, God is not great - if you want to
be a selfish creep and not feel guilty about it.- Hide quoted text -
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Hahahahahah a knuckle-dragging Kantian calling a mystic a foool, thats
funny.
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15 May 2007 05:41:37 PM |
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In article <1179258780.397372.318220@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
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Don't feed the troll, please.
-- Richard
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"Consideration shall be given to the need for as many as 32 characters
in some alphabets" - X3.4, 1963.
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| User: "Michael Price" |
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16 May 2007 12:00:49 AM |
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On May 16, 8:41 am, (Richard Tobin) wrote:
In article <1179258780.397372.318...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
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Don't feed the troll, please.
-- Richard
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"Consideration shall be given to the need for as many as 32 characters
in some alphabets" - X3.4, 1963.
But if I don't people will cross my bridge anytime they like. Can't
have that.
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15 May 2007 04:14:17 PM |
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On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700 there was an Ancient Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-great-how-lack-of.html
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.
He didn't drink, was happily married and raised six kids. Far from
being insane, he was considered an important figurre in English
intellectual circles.
Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.
Actually, he died of pneumonia.
Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.
Which has what to do a stable family life?
Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.
So?
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
Mao had a very stable family life, and wasn't an atheist.
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
There's a reason we called hum "Butt Head Astronomer" behind his back.
But again, you're wrong. Sagan led a very happy, fulfiling life
teaching and doing research.
My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.
Too bad for you.
It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint. There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.
You wouldn't want Mark Twain to come over in the evenings and spin
stories?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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15 May 2007 05:47:41 PM |
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On May 15, 2:14 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700 there was an Ancient Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-grea...
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.
He didn't drink, was happily married and raised six kids. Far from
being insane, he was considered an important figurre in English
intellectual circles.
Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.
Actually, he died of pneumonia.
Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.
Which has what to do a stable family life?
Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.
So?
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
Mao had a very stable family life, and wasn't an atheist.
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
There's a reason we called hum "Butt Head Astronomer" behind his back.
But again, you're wrong. Sagan led a very happy, fulfiling life
teaching and doing research.
My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.
Too bad for you.
It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint. There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.
You wouldn't want Mark Twain to come over in the evenings and spin
stories?
I notice that SOT didn't mention Robert Ingersoll.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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15 May 2007 04:48:44 PM |
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On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint.
An excellent example of the sheer stupidity of your post.
Fuckwit.
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JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
How many beans make five?
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16 May 2007 10:47:21 AM |
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"JAF" <anarchSPAMKILLER@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint.
An excellent example of the sheer stupidity of your post.
Fuckwit.
Would that be John Andrew Fuckwit? You never mention what
the J and the A stand for?
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JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
How many beans make five?
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16 May 2007 12:59:45 AM |
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On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately. While we're at it,
can you find me an example of a Christian Idiot who recognizes that
Argumentum ad Hominem is logically fallacious?
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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17 May 2007 06:37:25 PM |
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:59:45 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately.
You have got a higher opinion of that idiot, than I have
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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17 May 2007 11:20:04 PM |
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:59:45 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately.
You have got a higher opinion of that idiot, than I have
he enjoyed his family life so much, he was always nipping out for a
Currie....
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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18 May 2007 12:42:28 PM |
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 05:20:04 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:59:45 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately.
You have got a higher opinion of that idiot, than I have
he enjoyed his family life so much, he was always nipping out for a
Currie....
So much for the moral right.
My oldest grand daughter, still refers to her as Eggwina.
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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19 May 2007 03:01:42 AM |
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 05:20:04 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:59:45 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of
a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately.
You have got a higher opinion of that idiot, than I have
he enjoyed his family life so much, he was always nipping out for a
Currie....
So much for the moral right.
My oldest grand daughter, still refers to her as Eggwina.
Oh yes, the great salmonella scandal....
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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19 May 2007 07:47:34 AM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:01:42 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 05:20:04 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:59:45 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of
a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately.
You have got a higher opinion of that idiot, than I have
he enjoyed his family life so much, he was always nipping out for a
Currie....
So much for the moral right.
My oldest grand daughter, still refers to her as Eggwina.
Oh yes, the great salmonella scandal....
I suppose that anything that gets a politico's face on the box, is
worth it.
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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19 May 2007 08:20:46 AM |
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:01:42 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 05:20:04 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:59:45 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example
of
a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober
and
had a stable family life?
Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately.
You have got a higher opinion of that idiot, than I have
he enjoyed his family life so much, he was always nipping out for a
Currie....
So much for the moral right.
My oldest grand daughter, still refers to her as Eggwina.
Oh yes, the great salmonella scandal....
I suppose that anything that gets a politico's face on the box, is
worth it.
You have to agree, that bunch were a odd lot.... remember Selwyn Gummer
stuffing his kids face with burgers to 'prove' BSE was not a problem....
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 14:20:46 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:01:42 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 05:20:04 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:59:45 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example
of
a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober
and
had a stable family life?
Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately.
You have got a higher opinion of that idiot, than I have
he enjoyed his family life so much, he was always nipping out for a
Currie....
So much for the moral right.
My oldest grand daughter, still refers to her as Eggwina.
Oh yes, the great salmonella scandal....
I suppose that anything that gets a politico's face on the box, is
worth it.
You have to agree, that bunch were a odd lot.... remember Selwyn Gummer
stuffing his kids face with burgers to 'prove' BSE was not a problem....
Mind you, that is a difficult position.
If he promotes beef, the health freaks, lumps of the health service,
included, comes down on him, and if he don't, the farmers come down on
him.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 14:20:46 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:01:42 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 05:20:04 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:59:45 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an
example
of
a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and
sober
and
had a stable family life?
Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately.
You have got a higher opinion of that idiot, than I have
he enjoyed his family life so much, he was always nipping out for a
Currie....
So much for the moral right.
My oldest grand daughter, still refers to her as Eggwina.
Oh yes, the great salmonella scandal....
I suppose that anything that gets a politico's face on the box, is
worth it.
You have to agree, that bunch were a odd lot.... remember Selwyn Gummer
stuffing his kids face with burgers to 'prove' BSE was not a problem....
Mind you, that is a difficult position.
If he promotes beef, the health freaks, lumps of the health service,
included, comes down on him, and if he don't, the farmers come down on
him.
He forgot the golden rule of politics..... if you don't have an answer,
change the subject.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 23:20:31 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
You have to agree, that bunch were a odd lot.... remember Selwyn Gummer
stuffing his kids face with burgers to 'prove' BSE was not a problem....
Mind you, that is a difficult position.
If he promotes beef, the health freaks, lumps of the health service,
included, comes down on him, and if he don't, the farmers come down on
him.
He forgot the golden rule of politics..... if you don't have an answer,
change the subject.
That is true.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
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#162 BAAWA Knight.
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17 May 2007 11:29:22 PM |
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 23:37:25 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:59:45 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately.
You have got a higher opinion of that idiot, than I have
I have a higher opinion of him than I have of Tony Blair...
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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18 May 2007 12:53:18 PM |
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 00:29:22 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2007 23:37:25 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:59:45 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately.
You have got a higher opinion of that idiot, than I have
I have a higher opinion of him than I have of Tony Blair...
Mmm. Have to think about that.
Which do I despise the most, a useless, dishonest, hypocritical,
Anglican, wanker, or a useless, dishonest, hypocritical, Anglican ,
wanker?
Tricky.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
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16 May 2007 01:00:12 PM |
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raven1 (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
<277l435hjqg7n6ailj8drqkeci9gn2lluq@4ax.com>:
Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately. While we're at it,
can you find me an example of a Christian Idiot who recognizes that
Argumentum ad Hominem is logically fallacious?
Anybody who tries an Argumentum with a Hominem wot don't speak the lingo is
definitely fallacious.
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
Exactly.
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ΞΎ:) Proud to be curly
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17 May 2007 02:12:16 PM |
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On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
So perhaps, as Mr. Hitchens writes, God is not great - if you want to
be a selfish creep and not feel guilty about it.
Or God is great, if you are a superstitious, self opinionated,
judgmental little creep, and feel good about it.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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17 May 2007 07:27:26 PM |
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On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-great-how-lack-of.html
Thursday, May 03, 2007
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.
Marx, as I recall it, was of semitic extraction.
He was anti, many things, like wealth, hereditary titles, religion,
etc.
He was anti religion because the church, eastern and eastern, used
their power to keep the rich, rich, and the poor, poor.
He was a thousand years ahead of his time, but he was not a leader,
atheist or otherwise.
Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married
And that makes him a bad person?
and apparently died of syphilis.
Well, pneumonia, actually; But I'm sure the difference is lost on you.
Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.
He was a Philologist, and philosopher.
He was Not a leader, of any kind.
Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.
There have been popes, with worse records.
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
IIRC, what I was taught as a child, The Man of Steel, was a xtian.
Mao was a family man, and was not an atheist
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not an atheist leader: Sounds more like a xtian to me.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Well, not exactly.
In fact, she, and part of her family, were murdered by the embezzler.
But what the *****, the embezzler was a xtian, but he did murder three
atheists, so his place in heaven is assured.
She just might have been a leader, if atheists can be said to have any
leaders.
All of the strong atheists that I have met, are much like my self:
Anarchists.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
A pop musician.
He might have been a leader on the music scene, but that is all.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
Does it ever occur to you that it might have been his wives who
divorced him, that he might have been the innocent party?
No, of course it doesn't, you are a xtian, and so your only interest
is in slandering people.
.... Especially those who cannot speak for them selves.
BTW, Carl was not a leader, just a guy who liked the world to hear his
opinions.
.... Much like your self.
My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.
But not an atheist leader.
However, if you would like to come here, I can introduce you to
several priests, and ministers of various denominations, and also
non-denomimational lay preachers, who spend more time in the bottle,
than they do in the pulpit.
It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint.
Yea, that is a real pain.
Rome won't canonize anyone who is not a xtian, and preferably,
catholic.
There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.
Oh, I don't know.
Professor Hawking
Dawkins,
Dylan Thomas
Sam Clemens
Why is that?
Because you are a dishonest fuckwit.
Admittedly, many theists have been evil as well.
Interesting that you don't list any.
But then, even broadband has some bandwidth limitations.
However some have
been truly great - for example the Vilna Gaon, the Chofetz Chaim, the
Chazon Ish and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. But atheism never has leaders
like that.
In fact, atheism does not have leaders; Period.
Personally, I would compare theism to health care.
American health care, I assume; Promises a cure for everything,
tomorrow, for a price.
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17 May 2007 08:01:46 PM |
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On May 18, 10:27 am, Dubh Ghall <p...@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-grea...
Thursday, May 03, 2007
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
<snip>
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
IIRC, what I was taught as a child, The Man of Steel, was a xtian.
He was as a young man - he was training to be a priest when he
discovered revolutionary Marxism and became an atheist while still a
young man.
Becoming a priest is not impossible for atheists - it was a secure
career where you were awarded respect whether it was deserved or not.
Stalin was attracted to power and if he hadnt discoverered
revolutionary marxism he could have used the priesthood as another
way to achieve power and prestige.
A psychopathic monster.
Mao was a family man, and was not an atheist
Mao believed in himself, a megalomaniac and a monster.
He would have sex with any woman he wanted - so the "family man" bit
is a stretch - his wife didnt care about his sexual fidelity.
He was very likely an atheist but he is also an example of a petty
god.
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not an atheist leader: Sounds more like a xtian to me.
She was an atheist and second rate philosopher who wrote bad
literature.
She wasnt the leader of very much - the Objectivist movement was not
exactly a major player in anything but it was an atheist movement..
Mark.
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16 May 2007 04:38:12 PM |
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On 2007-05-15, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-great-how-lack-of.html
Thursday, May 03, 2007
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.
Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.
Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.
Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
I'd rather have all of them than cunts like you.
--
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those
who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this
or that problem will never be solved by science.
[email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
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15 May 2007 03:47:55 PM |
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On May 15, 12:53 pm, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Yep, anything theists can do to divert attention away from the fact
that their beliefs are false, they will do.
Suppose hypothetically there was some belief X. Assume X is
demonstrably false, but everyone who believes X is a better person (in
some objective way, it doesn't matter what) because of it. Should we,
assuming we could, believe X?
The fundamental difference between most theists and most atheists is
their answer to precisely this question. The typical atheist view is
that the confidence we should have that a proposition is true should
depend only on how much evidence we have that it is true. In other
words, a total rejection of faith, root and branch. The typical theist
view is that how much we want it to be true or how much we benefit if
it is true should be weighed as well. In other words, an acceptance of
faith as a means of obtaining knowledge.
The problem is that the theist view is demonstrably false. Faith is
certainly a means of acquiring beliefs, but it is not a means of
obtaining knowledge. Faith does not allow one to know that something
is true, which is a requirement for something to be knowledge.
DS
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"David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com> wrote in message
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On May 15, 12:53 pm, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Yep, anything theists can do to divert attention away from the fact
that their beliefs are false, they will do.
So you accept athiest are evil then? End of.
Suppose hypothetically there was some belief X. Assume X is
demonstrably false, but everyone who believes X is a better person (in
some objective way, it doesn't matter what) because of it. Should we,
assuming we could, believe X?
The fundamental difference between most theists and most atheists is
their answer to precisely this question. The typical atheist view is
that the confidence we should have that a proposition is true should
depend only on how much evidence we have that it is true. In other
words, a total rejection of faith, root and branch. The typical theist
view is that how much we want it to be true or how much we benefit if
it is true should be weighed as well. In other words, an acceptance of
faith as a means of obtaining knowledge.
The problem is that the theist view is demonstrably false. Faith is
certainly a means of acquiring beliefs, but it is not a means of
obtaining knowledge. Faith does not allow one to know that something
is true, which is a requirement for something to be knowledge.
DS
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16 May 2007 04:08:31 PM |
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On May 16, 8:45 am, "Lord Turkey Cough" <m...@invalid.net> wrote:
"David Schwartz" <dav...@webmaster.com> wrote in message
Yep, anything theists can do to divert attention away from the fact
that their beliefs are false, they will do.
So you accept athiest are evil then? End of.
I put this in the same category as the claim that blacks are stupid. I
don't dignify it with any response on its merits because a claim like
that is not capable of having merit.
DS
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