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| User: |
"Maaxx" |
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17 Mar 2005 03:39:18 PM |
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We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or left, you
can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49 vote in the Senate
to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is causing Liberal
Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and conservative Republicans to get
more excited than the kid in that Numa Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals by
watching their reaction to ANWR.
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start tapping
into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take years to get
the crude flowing out of the ground. That means new jobs for Americans who
handle the drilling and build the pipeline to Alaska. It also means that
we're going to acquire more of the substance that powers our economy without
having to pay out our money to less than friendly countries like Saudi
Arabia & Venezuela. Best of all, the oil is in the absolute middle of
nowhere, so we don't have to inconvenience anyone to drill ANWR. To the
right, developing ANWR is all upside, all positive, an idea that is so
fantastic that they can hardly understand how any rational person could
oppose it.
On the other hand, liberals are enraged that it looks like we may be
drilling ANWR. Part of that is because of their free floating hostility to
the oil industry, but their real beef is that ANWR is such a remote area.
Conservatives may consider that a feature, but to liberals it's a bug. The
very fact that it's a godforsaken region that almost no one visits makes it
so rare and valuable to them that it's worth leaving billions of dollars
worth of oil in the ground and forsaking tens of thousands of jobs just in
case someone wants to ever see what the boonies are like in the future. Oh,
and we mustn't forget, they claim that the pipelines, roads, oilmen and
people going back and forth might -- and I say might because this is heavily
disputed -- disturb the animals. The fact that you could make the exact same
argument about every populated area in North America seems lost on them.
Now you tell me: who's looking out for everyday Americans on this issue?
Conservatives who want more jobs & oil for their fellow countrymen or
liberals who are concerned about future back-packing trips for an
infinitesimal percentage of the population and maybe happier caribou and
polar bears, maybe not. That's not a tough call.
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: Like stars, we burn bright, dissipating into the night. |
20 Mar 2005 12:46:44 AM |
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Contrary to Roy_Culley's so-called stats, found here:
news:gnavg2-nu.ln1@nw8000.swissptt.ch
Maaxx's Jobs_and_Oil post is the most oft-replied-to in Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy.
( By the way, Maaxx uses 40tude_Dialog... so he must know something )
Crude oil is the same, year after year,
so it's a natural yardstick to measure the stock of U.S.A. Inc.,
... i.e. The Dollar.
The lack of usable energy is called Entropy ( i.e. overly dissipated energy ).
Entropy is the crises faced by the U.S. and the world,
...not to mention each and everyone of us,
i.e. We all face an Entropy crises... not an energy crises.
Control is the goal,
so the U.S. uses it's heaviest sticks and fattest carrots in the Middle East.
The natural tendency of people to reciprocate, an eye for an eye,
is why I think the U.S. is burning too many bridges.
Why should the so-called Rich_World be so desperate ?
By the way, entropy is our fifth spatial dimension: Space_Time_Entropy,
because the universe is observed to be going
from effectively zero entropy ( i.e. infinite heat/density/unification )
to effectively infinite entropy ( infinite coldness/vacuum/dissipation ).
Like stars, we burn bright, dissipating into the night.
Below is the 24 most oft-replied-to articles
based on how frequently they're found in the 5 most recent Message-IDs
as found in the References headers of the last 2,000+ articles
( i.e. the leftmost number ).
I bias some results by deleting/retaining stuff.
Generated using X.EXE ( X.TXT has the settings ):
http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/X.EXE
http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/X.TXT
78 Maaxx ( 17, 1.39 P, E Readfreenews.NET, 40tude_Dialog_2 ),
We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR
news:d4xzdacrr6u$.dlg@sec12-astroblaster.pepsi.com
73 General_Protection ( 15, 11.34 A, _bhuAv E Shaw.CA, slrn_0_9_8_1 ),
Turn off your damned home computers
news:slrnd3ee29.1clc.GeneralPF@braids.ertw.com
45 gennylec_yahoo_com ( 15, 5._5 P, _CpEwFy B Google.COM, . ),
Linux RUINED MY LAPTOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
news:357952e2.0503151705.289fbd2@posting.google.com
37 Mark_Kent ( 17, 1.21 P, A Individual.NET, slrn_0_9_7_4 ),
Re: Suse 9.3: We tighten the Noose
news:rcsc1d.jtl.ln@ellandroad.demon.co.uk
35 TheLetterK ( 17, 2._1 P, 3lLoz E Bellsouth.NET, Debian ),
Re: Suse 9.3: We tighten the Noose
news:32n_d.31554$Q83.11045@bignews5.bellsouth.net
34 B_Gruff ( 19, 6.56 A, A Individual.NET, KNode_0_7_7 ),
MS Office on Linux
news:3a2t58F66dm6kU1@individual.net
32 frank_jameson_fsmail ( 17, 2.25 A, _Bfbtej B Googlegroups.COM, G2_0_2 ),
Jesus says "NO" to Linux
news:1111055125.060026.34350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
30 TheLetterK ( 17, 1._4 P, 3lLoz D Bellsouth.NET, Debian ),
Re: Suse 9.3: We tighten the Noose
news:Ccm_d.31481$Q83.29090@bignews5.bellsouth.net
30 cwocwocwo_yahoo_co ( 16, 10.12 A, _DkQwzE B Googlegroups.COM, G2_0_2 ),
Which one is best?
news:1110996743.404133.219270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
27 Rgdawson ( 17, 7._7 A, _BRtZE6 C Uswest.NET, MT_NewsWatcher ),
Re: iPhoto Fails to get my Digital Camera Movies!
news:rgdon-59C11E.08075917032005@news.uswest.net
24 Jim_Richardson ( 16, _._2 P, A Individual.NET, slrn_0_9_8_1 ),
Re: iPhoto Fails to get my Digital Camera Movies!
news:qvfmg2-b8l.ln1@grendel.myth
24 Lloyd_Parsons ( 15, _.30 P, A Individual.NET, Microsoft ),
Re: iPhoto Fails to get my Digital Camera Movies!
news:BE5CA1FD.CB47%lloydparsons@mac.com
24 buzz_off ( 16, 10.36 A, _BPgl4T E Adelphia.COM, Thoth_1_7_1 ),
Re: iPhoto Fails to get my Digital Camera Movies!
news:160320051336466496%nomail@inv.inv
23 rapskatt_linuxmail ( 15, 8.34 P, _CtHw6V B Google.COM, . ),
Linux is Da' Bomb for a DAW!!!!!!! (Ditch that MAC NOW!!!!!)
news:6c8692a9.0503152034.34f632e5@posting.google.com
23 Rgdawson ( 19, 10.43 A, _BRtZE6 C Uswest.NET, MT_NewsWatcher ),
Re: iPhoto Fails to get my Digital Camera Movies!
news:rgdon-DEDBE6.11435419032005@news.uswest.net
22 JEDIDIAH ( 17, 1.44 P, _bPtU2 E Comcast.COM, slrn_0_9_8_1 ),
Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR
news:Ovidnd8Xk8K3Z6TfRVn-jw@comcast.com
22 OK ( 16, 6._6 P, D Giganews.COM, Forte_Agent_2_0 ),
Linux is insecure, unscalable
news:1fph311qlkiv3gvi3np0vbq96ka6o8gpi6@4ax.com
22 Jeff_Relf ( 14, 1.45 A, A Individual.NET, X ),
My new HTML to TXT converter.
news:Jeff_Relf_2005_Mar_14_oY8L@Cotse.NET
22 buzz_off ( 16, _.46 P, _BPgl4T E Adelphia.COM, Thoth_1_7_1 ),
Re: iPhoto Fails to get my Digital Camera Movies!
news:160320051546316258%nomail@inv.inv
22 JEDIDIAH ( 17, 5.44 A, _bPtU2 E Comcast.COM, slrn_0_9_8_1 ),
Re: iPhoto Fails to get my Digital Camera Movies!
news:_fOdnclUN-MqFKTfRVn-1A@comcast.com
21 Liam_Slider ( 18, 9.44 P, A Individual.NET, Pan_0_14_2_91 ),
Re: iPhoto Fails to get my Digital Camera Movies!
news:pan.2005.03.19.05.44.37.270882@NOSPAM.liamslider.com
21 Liberals_HATE ( 18, 7.55 A, D Nntpserver.COM, Microsoft ),
ANWR: GET THE DRILLS READY!
news:1111161422.bd8ef010487e3e602594cbac710b38c1@meganetnews2
21 BubbaGump ( 16, 6.49 P, _BQ7lfP E Comcast.COM, Forte_Agent_1 ),
Linux vs. GNU?
news:otrh31tk1l8s6ldsdfja39kn2r26i2qg9t@4ax.com
21 soup ( 18, 4.51 A, _BfRsF7 F Blueyonder.CO.UK, Microsoft ),
Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR
news:W8A_d.130$Ab.113@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk
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20 Mar 2005 01:14:22 AM |
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DEMAND MADE TO BAN ABOVE GROUPS
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
17 Mar 2005 03:46:09 PM |
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In article <d4xzdacrr6u$.dlg@sec12-astroblaster.pepsi.com> Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> writes:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or left, you
can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49 vote in the Senate
to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is causing Liberal
Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and conservative Republicans to get
more excited than the kid in that Numa Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals by
watching their reaction to ANWR.
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start tapping
into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take years to get
the crude flowing out of the ground. That means new jobs for Americans who
handle the drilling and build the pipeline to Alaska. It also means that
we're going to acquire more of the substance that powers our economy without
having to pay out our money to less than friendly countries like Saudi
Arabia & Venezuela. Best of all, the oil is in the absolute middle of
nowhere, so we don't have to inconvenience anyone to drill ANWR. To the
right, developing ANWR is all upside, all positive, an idea that is so
fantastic that they can hardly understand how any rational person could
oppose it.
On the other hand, liberals are enraged that it looks like we may be
drilling ANWR. Part of that is because of their free floating hostility to
the oil industry, but their real beef is that ANWR is such a remote area.
Conservatives may consider that a feature, but to liberals it's a bug. The
very fact that it's a godforsaken region that almost no one visits makes it
so rare and valuable to them that it's worth leaving billions of dollars
worth of oil in the ground and forsaking tens of thousands of jobs just in
case someone wants to ever see what the boonies are like in the future. Oh,
and we mustn't forget, they claim that the pipelines, roads, oilmen and
people going back and forth might -- and I say might because this is heavily
disputed -- disturb the animals. The fact that you could make the exact same
argument about every populated area in North America seems lost on them.
Now you tell me: who's looking out for everyday Americans on this issue?
Conservatives who want more jobs & oil for their fellow countrymen or
liberals who are concerned about future back-packing trips for an
infinitesimal percentage of the population and maybe happier caribou and
polar bears, maybe not. That's not a tough call.
Conservatives woried about this year's bottom line, or ecologists
who realize that once such a thing is gone, it is gone for
all future generations for as long as there is a world?
-- cary
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| User: "Maaxx" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
17 Mar 2005 04:03:47 PM |
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(Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:d1ctr1$42d$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In news:d4xzdacrr6u$.dlg@sec12-astroblaster.pepsi.com Maaxx
<maaxx@xrs.net> writes:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in that Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start
tapping into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take
years to get the crude flowing out of the ground. That means new jobs
for Americans who handle the drilling and build the pipeline to Alaska.
It also means that we're going to acquire more of the substance that
powers our economy without having to pay out our money to less than
friendly countries like Saudi Arabia & Venezuela. Best of all, the oil
is in the absolute middle of nowhere, so we don't have to inconvenience
anyone to drill ANWR. To the right, developing ANWR is all upside, all
positive, an idea that is so fantastic that they can hardly understand
how any rational person could oppose it.
On the other hand, liberals are enraged that it looks like we may be
drilling ANWR. Part of that is because of their free floating hostility
to the oil industry, but their real beef is that ANWR is such a remote
area. Conservatives may consider that a feature, but to liberals it's a
bug. The very fact that it's a godforsaken region that almost no one
visits makes it so rare and valuable to them that it's worth leaving
billions of dollars worth of oil in the ground and forsaking tens of
thousands of jobs just in case someone wants to ever see what the
boonies are like in the future. Oh, and we mustn't forget, they claim
that the pipelines, roads, oilmen and people going back and forth might
-- and I say might because this is heavily disputed -- disturb the
animals. The fact that you could make the exact same argument about
every populated area in North America seems lost on them.
Now you tell me: who's looking out for everyday Americans on this
issue? Conservatives who want more jobs & oil for their fellow
countrymen or liberals who are concerned about future back-packing
trips for an infinitesimal percentage of the population and maybe
happier caribou and polar bears, maybe not. That's not a tough call.
Conservatives woried about this year's bottom line, or ecologists
who realize that once such a thing is gone, it is gone for
all future generations for as long as there is a world?
Only the liberalist thinks that ANWR must be leveled and paved over in
order to drill for oil.
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
18 Mar 2005 08:59:36 AM |
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In article <4239fec2$0$13897$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:d1ctr1$42d$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In news:d4xzdacrr6u$.dlg@sec12-astroblaster.pepsi.com Maaxx
<maaxx@xrs.net> writes:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in that Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start
tapping into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take
years to get the crude flowing out of the ground. That means new jobs
for Americans who handle the drilling and build the pipeline to Alaska.
It also means that we're going to acquire more of the substance that
powers our economy without having to pay out our money to less than
friendly countries like Saudi Arabia & Venezuela. Best of all, the oil
is in the absolute middle of nowhere, so we don't have to inconvenience
anyone to drill ANWR. To the right, developing ANWR is all upside, all
positive, an idea that is so fantastic that they can hardly understand
how any rational person could oppose it.
On the other hand, liberals are enraged that it looks like we may be
drilling ANWR. Part of that is because of their free floating hostility
to the oil industry, but their real beef is that ANWR is such a remote
area. Conservatives may consider that a feature, but to liberals it's a
bug. The very fact that it's a godforsaken region that almost no one
visits makes it so rare and valuable to them that it's worth leaving
billions of dollars worth of oil in the ground and forsaking tens of
thousands of jobs just in case someone wants to ever see what the
boonies are like in the future. Oh, and we mustn't forget, they claim
that the pipelines, roads, oilmen and people going back and forth might
-- and I say might because this is heavily disputed -- disturb the
animals. The fact that you could make the exact same argument about
every populated area in North America seems lost on them.
Now you tell me: who's looking out for everyday Americans on this
issue? Conservatives who want more jobs & oil for their fellow
countrymen or liberals who are concerned about future back-packing
trips for an infinitesimal percentage of the population and maybe
happier caribou and polar bears, maybe not. That's not a tough call.
Conservatives woried about this year's bottom line, or ecologists
who realize that once such a thing is gone, it is gone for
all future generations for as long as there is a world?
Only the liberalist thinks that ANWR must be leveled and paved over in
order to drill for oil.
Only a conservative thinks you can do it without disturbing the ecosystem.
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| User: "ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Lets Roll Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
18 Mar 2005 10:07:32 PM |
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fbte$gec$3@puck.cc.emory.edu...
In article <4239fec2$0$13897$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:d1ctr1$42d$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In news:d4xzdacrr6u$.dlg@sec12-astroblaster.pepsi.com Maaxx
<maaxx@xrs.net> writes:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in that Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start
tapping into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take
years to get the crude flowing out of the ground. That means new jobs
for Americans who handle the drilling and build the pipeline to
Alaska.
It also means that we're going to acquire more of the substance that
powers our economy without having to pay out our money to less than
friendly countries like Saudi Arabia & Venezuela. Best of all, the oil
is in the absolute middle of nowhere, so we don't have to
inconvenience
anyone to drill ANWR. To the right, developing ANWR is all upside, all
positive, an idea that is so fantastic that they can hardly understand
how any rational person could oppose it.
On the other hand, liberals are enraged that it looks like we may be
drilling ANWR. Part of that is because of their free floating
hostility
to the oil industry, but their real beef is that ANWR is such a remote
area. Conservatives may consider that a feature, but to liberals it's
a
bug. The very fact that it's a godforsaken region that almost no one
visits makes it so rare and valuable to them that it's worth leaving
billions of dollars worth of oil in the ground and forsaking tens of
thousands of jobs just in case someone wants to ever see what the
boonies are like in the future. Oh, and we mustn't forget, they claim
that the pipelines, roads, oilmen and people going back and forth
might
-- and I say might because this is heavily disputed -- disturb the
animals. The fact that you could make the exact same argument about
every populated area in North America seems lost on them.
Now you tell me: who's looking out for everyday Americans on this
issue? Conservatives who want more jobs & oil for their fellow
countrymen or liberals who are concerned about future back-packing
trips for an infinitesimal percentage of the population and maybe
happier caribou and polar bears, maybe not. That's not a tough call.
Conservatives woried about this year's bottom line, or ecologists
who realize that once such a thing is gone, it is gone for
all future generations for as long as there is a world?
Only the liberalist thinks that ANWR must be leveled and paved over in
order to drill for oil.
Only a conservative thinks you can do it without disturbing the ecosystem.
=====================
Only a liberal thinks that everyone will someday drive battery run cars.
Even while those cars are available , liberals elect to drive gas
drivencars because even radlibs do not want to have to stop after 30 miles
and wait 8 hours to recharge the batteries.
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
18 Mar 2005 08:58:58 AM |
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In article <d4xzdacrr6u$.dlg@sec12-astroblaster.pepsi.com>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or left,
you
can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49 vote in the
Senate
to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is causing Liberal
Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and conservative Republicans to
get
more excited than the kid in that Numa Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals by
watching their reaction to ANWR.
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start tapping
into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take years to get
the crude flowing out of the ground. That means new jobs for Americans who
handle the drilling and build the pipeline to Alaska. It also means that
we're going to acquire more of the substance that powers our economy
without
having to pay out our money to less than friendly countries like Saudi
Arabia & Venezuela.
The data shows that we now import 62.5% of our oil and even if all the ANWR
oil came to the US, we'd still import 60%.
Best of all, the oil is in the absolute middle of
nowhere, so we don't have to inconvenience anyone to drill ANWR.
Of course, there's the environment, the flora and fauna, all
inconvenienced. To say nothing of the native peoples.
To the
right, developing ANWR is all upside, all positive, an idea that is so
fantastic that they can hardly understand how any rational person could
oppose it.
But most of the oil will go to Asia, because that's cheaper than shipping
it to the Gulf Coast refineries.
On the other hand, liberals are enraged that it looks like we may be
drilling ANWR. Part of that is because of their free floating hostility to
the oil industry, but their real beef is that ANWR is such a remote area.
Conservatives may consider that a feature, but to liberals it's a bug. The
very fact that it's a godforsaken region that almost no one visits makes
it
so rare and valuable to them that it's worth leaving billions of dollars
worth of oil in the ground and forsaking tens of thousands of jobs just in
case someone wants to ever see what the boonies are like in the future.
Oh,
So what, we should only preserve warm, green ecosystems?
and we mustn't forget, they claim that the pipelines, roads, oilmen and
people going back and forth might -- and I say might because this is
heavily
disputed -- disturb the animals. The fact that you could make the exact
same
argument about every populated area in North America seems lost on them.
No, going from nondisturbed to disturbed is a big difference.
Now you tell me: who's looking out for everyday Americans on this issue?
Liberals, since the environment is an integral part of America.
Conservatives who want more jobs & oil for their fellow countrymen or
liberals who are concerned about future back-packing trips for an
infinitesimal percentage of the population and maybe happier caribou and
polar bears, maybe not. That's not a tough call.
Maybe not for a fool.
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| User: "ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Lets Roll Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
18 Mar 2005 07:22:36 PM |
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fbs7$gec$2@puck.cc.emory.edu...
In article <d4xzdacrr6u$.dlg@sec12-astroblaster.pepsi.com>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or left,
you
can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49 vote in the
Senate
to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is causing
Liberal
Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and conservative Republicans to
get
more excited than the kid in that Numa Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals by
watching their reaction to ANWR.
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start tapping
into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take years to
get
the crude flowing out of the ground. That means new jobs for Americans
who
handle the drilling and build the pipeline to Alaska. It also means that
we're going to acquire more of the substance that powers our economy
without
having to pay out our money to less than friendly countries like Saudi
Arabia & Venezuela.
The data shows that we now import 62.5% of our oil and even if all the
ANWR
oil came to the US, we'd still import 60%.
=========================
Thanks for proving the argument that we would lessen our dependency on
foreign oil if ANWR was opened.
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
18 Mar 2005 07:25:15 PM |
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In article <Lt2dnWxlgdFG46bfRVn-hw@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov> wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fbs7$gec$2@puck.cc.emory.edu...
In article <d4xzdacrr6u$.dlg@sec12-astroblaster.pepsi.com>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or left,
you
can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49 vote in the
Senate
to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is causing
Liberal
Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and conservative Republicans to
get
more excited than the kid in that Numa Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals by
watching their reaction to ANWR.
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start tapping
into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take years to
get
the crude flowing out of the ground. That means new jobs for Americans
who
handle the drilling and build the pipeline to Alaska. It also means that
we're going to acquire more of the substance that powers our economy
without
having to pay out our money to less than friendly countries like Saudi
Arabia & Venezuela.
The data shows that we now import 62.5% of our oil and even if all the
ANWR
oil came to the US, we'd still import 60%.
=========================
Thanks for proving the argument that we would lessen our dependency on
foreign oil if ANWR was opened.
By a couple percent for a few years.
And we would lessen our dependance for all time by conservation and
alternative fuels.
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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18 Mar 2005 11:34:41 PM |
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(Al Dykes) wrote in news:d1fv1r$d8u$1@panix5.panix.com:
In article <Lt2dnWxlgdFG46bfRVn-hw@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fbs7$gec$2@puck.cc.emory.edu...
The data shows that we now import 62.5% of our oil and even if all the
ANWR oil came to the US, we'd still import 60%.
Thanks for proving the argument that we would lessen our dependency on
foreign oil if ANWR was opened.
By a couple percent for a few years.
And we would lessen our dependance for all time by conservation and
alternative fuels.
So I assume you drive an electric car and don't buy anything containing
plastic?
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
19 Mar 2005 05:22:23 AM |
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In article <423bb9f1$0$13874$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote in news:d1fv1r$d8u$1@panix5.panix.com:
In article <Lt2dnWxlgdFG46bfRVn-hw@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fbs7$gec$2@puck.cc.emory.edu...
The data shows that we now import 62.5% of our oil and even if all the
ANWR oil came to the US, we'd still import 60%.
Thanks for proving the argument that we would lessen our dependency on
foreign oil if ANWR was opened.
By a couple percent for a few years.
And we would lessen our dependance for all time by conservation and
alternative fuels.
So I assume you drive an electric car and don't buy anything containing
plastic?
Huh ? Nobody does.
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
17 Mar 2005 11:47:36 PM |
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Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or left, you
can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49 vote in the Senate
to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is causing Liberal
Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and conservative Republicans to get
more excited than the kid in that Numa Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals by
watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start tapping
into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take years to get
the crude flowing out of the ground.
Think of all the money to be made!
That means new jobs for Americans who
handle the drilling and build the pipeline to Alaska.
LOL! A few hundred jobs in a country the size of the US is nothing.
Who really will win are the oil companies.
It also means that
we're going to acquire more of the substance that powers our economy without
having to pay out our money to less than friendly countries like Saudi
Arabia & Venezuela. Best of all, the oil is in the absolute middle of
nowhere, so we don't have to inconvenience anyone to drill ANWR. To the
right, developing ANWR is all upside, all positive, an idea that is so
fantastic that they can hardly understand how any rational person could
oppose it.
Other than the risk of rendering a few species extinct for a little
oil that will have almost no effect on the economy.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Maaxx" |
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18 Mar 2005 07:24:23 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1dq1n$7cu$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in that Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
The oil isn't doing any good sitting in the ground.
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start
tapping into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take
years to get the crude flowing out of the ground.
Think of all the money to be made!
That's a good thing.
That means new jobs for Americans who handle the drilling and build the
pipeline to Alaska.
LOL! A few hundred jobs in a country the size of the US is nothing.
Who really will win are the oil companies.
Your point?
It also means that we're going to acquire more of the substance that
powers our economy without having to pay out our money to less than
friendly countries like Saudi Arabia & Venezuela. Best of all, the oil
is in the absolute middle of nowhere, so we don't have to inconvenience
anyone to drill ANWR. To the right, developing ANWR is all upside, all
positive, an idea that is so fantastic that they can hardly understand
how any rational person could oppose it.
Other than the risk of rendering a few species extinct for a little
oil that will have almost no effect on the economy.
Only an idiot liberal would make such a claim. It's like you believe that
the oil companies must destroy an area the size of South Carolina to get
the oil.
You people whined about the oil pipeline too and it turned out that it
actually increased wildlife poppulation.
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
18 Mar 2005 09:23:57 AM |
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In article <423ad687$0$13896$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1dq1n$7cu$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in that Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
The oil isn't doing any good sitting in the ground.
Sure it is. You might as well ask why people put money in the bank.
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start
tapping into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take
years to get the crude flowing out of the ground.
Think of all the money to be made!
That's a good thing.
That means new jobs for Americans who handle the drilling and build the
pipeline to Alaska.
LOL! A few hundred jobs in a country the size of the US is nothing.
Who really will win are the oil companies.
Your point?
It also means that we're going to acquire more of the substance that
powers our economy without having to pay out our money to less than
friendly countries like Saudi Arabia & Venezuela. Best of all, the oil
is in the absolute middle of nowhere, so we don't have to inconvenience
anyone to drill ANWR. To the right, developing ANWR is all upside, all
positive, an idea that is so fantastic that they can hardly understand
how any rational person could oppose it.
Other than the risk of rendering a few species extinct for a little
oil that will have almost no effect on the economy.
Only an idiot liberal would make such a claim. It's like you believe that
the oil companies must destroy an area the size of South Carolina to get
the oil.
It will be a large area.
You people whined about the oil pipeline too and it turned out that it
actually increased wildlife poppulation.
Yeah, you're really gullible if you fall for that propaganda.
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| User: "ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Lets Roll Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
18 Mar 2005 10:12:54 PM |
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fdb3$gec$14@puck.cc.emory.edu...
In article <423ad687$0$13896$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1dq1n$7cu$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in that Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
The oil isn't doing any good sitting in the ground.
Sure it is. You might as well ask why people put money in the bank.
==================
According to your sides argument, ANWR oil will never be worth drilling for
because it is such a miniscule ammount of what the US consumes.
So that makes it worthless by your own defenition.
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
19 Mar 2005 05:21:24 AM |
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In article <H-idneSpSKpZO6bfRVn-oA@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov> wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fdb3$gec$14@puck.cc.emory.edu...
In article <423ad687$0$13896$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1dq1n$7cu$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in that Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
The oil isn't doing any good sitting in the ground.
Sure it is. You might as well ask why people put money in the bank.
==================
According to your sides argument, ANWR oil will never be worth drilling for
because it is such a miniscule ammount of what the US consumes.
So that makes it worthless by your own defenition.
Lets drill off Florida, first. Call Jeb and ask him to allow it.
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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| User: "ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Lets Roll Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
19 Mar 2005 11:56:15 AM |
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"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:d1h1vk$kdi$1@panix5.panix.com...
In article <H-idneSpSKpZO6bfRVn-oA@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fdb3$gec$14@puck.cc.emory.edu...
In article <423ad687$0$13896$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1dq1n$7cu$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief
and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in that
Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and
liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
The oil isn't doing any good sitting in the ground.
Sure it is. You might as well ask why people put money in the bank.
==================
According to your sides argument, ANWR oil will never be worth drilling
for
because it is such a miniscule ammount of what the US consumes.
So that makes it worthless by your own defenition.
Lets drill off Florida, first. Call Jeb and ask him to allow it.
===========================
Containing an oil spill on land is much easier to contain & cleanup and less
environmentally damaging than one at sea.
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
21 Mar 2005 04:09:11 AM |
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In article <To2dnV-k8aIg-qHfRVn-tw@adelphia.com>,
"ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll" <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:d1h1vk$kdi$1@panix5.panix.com...
In article <H-idneSpSKpZO6bfRVn-oA@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fdb3$gec$14@puck.cc.emory.edu...
In article <423ad687$0$13896$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1dq1n$7cu$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right
or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The
51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National
Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief
and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in that
Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and
liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
The oil isn't doing any good sitting in the ground.
Sure it is. You might as well ask why people put money in the bank.
==================
According to your sides argument, ANWR oil will never be worth drilling
for
because it is such a miniscule ammount of what the US consumes.
So that makes it worthless by your own defenition.
Lets drill off Florida, first. Call Jeb and ask him to allow it.
===========================
Containing an oil spill on land is much easier to contain & cleanup and
less
environmentally damaging than one at sea.
Except to the environment on the land.
.
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| User: "Another Auschwitz Democrat Nazi Starve the Jews Till they Die@ Democrats.org" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
21 Mar 2005 12:15:25 PM |
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1mo0p$n6d$8@puck.cc.emory.edu...
In article <To2dnV-k8aIg-qHfRVn-tw@adelphia.com>,
"ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll" <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska
..gov>
wrote:
"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:d1h1vk$kdi$1@panix5.panix.com...
In article <H-idneSpSKpZO6bfRVn-oA@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fdb3$gec$14@puck.cc.emory.edu...
In article
<423ad687$0$13896$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1dq1n$7cu$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right
or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The
51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National
Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in
grief
and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in
that
Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and
liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's
natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
The oil isn't doing any good sitting in the ground.
Sure it is. You might as well ask why people put money in the bank.
==================
According to your sides argument, ANWR oil will never be worth
drilling
for
because it is such a miniscule ammount of what the US consumes.
So that makes it worthless by your own defenition.
Lets drill off Florida, first. Call Jeb and ask him to allow it.
===========================
Containing an oil spill on land is much easier to contain & cleanup and
less
environmentally damaging than one at sea.
Except to the environment on the land.
====================
Frozen tundra does not allow oil to seep very far down . The Glaciers
have destroyed more Tundra up there in the past than any oil service roads
being built.
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
19 Mar 2005 02:56:12 PM |
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In article <To2dnV-k8aIg-qHfRVn-tw@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov> wrote:
"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:d1h1vk$kdi$1@panix5.panix.com...
In article <H-idneSpSKpZO6bfRVn-oA@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fdb3$gec$14@puck.cc.emory.edu...
In article <423ad687$0$13896$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1dq1n$7cu$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief
and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in that
Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and
liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
The oil isn't doing any good sitting in the ground.
Sure it is. You might as well ask why people put money in the bank.
==================
According to your sides argument, ANWR oil will never be worth drilling
for
because it is such a miniscule ammount of what the US consumes.
So that makes it worthless by your own defenition.
Lets drill off Florida, first. Call Jeb and ask him to allow it.
===========================
Containing an oil spill on land is much easier to contain & cleanup and less
environmentally damaging than one at sea.
Do you have _any_ idea how sensitive the Arctic is ? Obviously not.
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
.
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| User: "ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Lets Roll Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
19 Mar 2005 03:40:20 PM |
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"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:d1i3lc$er3$1@panix5.panix.com...
In article <To2dnV-k8aIg-qHfRVn-tw@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:d1h1vk$kdi$1@panix5.panix.com...
In article <H-idneSpSKpZO6bfRVn-oA@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fdb3$gec$14@puck.cc.emory.edu...
In article
<423ad687$0$13896$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1dq1n$7cu$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right
or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The
51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National
Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in
grief
and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in
that
Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and
liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's
natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
The oil isn't doing any good sitting in the ground.
Sure it is. You might as well ask why people put money in the bank.
==================
According to your sides argument, ANWR oil will never be worth
drilling
for
because it is such a miniscule ammount of what the US consumes.
So that makes it worthless by your own defenition.
Lets drill off Florida, first. Call Jeb and ask him to allow it.
===========================
Containing an oil spill on land is much easier to contain & cleanup and
less
environmentally damaging than one at sea.
Do you have _any_ idea how sensitive the Arctic is ? Obviously not.
============================
Tel us how many catostrophic Oil spils have ruined the Arctic at Prudohe
Bay the past 30 years of Drilling operations.
.
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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| Title: Re: We Can Learn A Lot From Where People Stand On ANWR |
19 Mar 2005 03:57:21 PM |
|
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In article <YLmdnVaIn8nfAaHfRVn-hw@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov> wrote:
"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:d1i3lc$er3$1@panix5.panix.com...
In article <To2dnV-k8aIg-qHfRVn-tw@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
news:d1h1vk$kdi$1@panix5.panix.com...
In article <H-idneSpSKpZO6bfRVn-oA@adelphia.com>,
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:d1fdb3$gec$14@puck.cc.emory.edu...
In article
<423ad687$0$13896$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1dq1n$7cu$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right
or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The
51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National
Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in
grief
and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in
that
Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and
liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's
natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
The oil isn't doing any good sitting in the ground.
Sure it is. You might as well ask why people put money in the bank.
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According to your sides argument, ANWR oil will never be worth
drilling
for
because it is such a miniscule ammount of what the US consumes.
So that makes it worthless by your own defenition.
Lets drill off Florida, first. Call Jeb and ask him to allow it.
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Containing an oil spill on land is much easier to contain & cleanup and
less
environmentally damaging than one at sea.
Do you have _any_ idea how sensitive the Arctic is ? Obviously not.
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Tel us how many catostrophic Oil spils have ruined the Arctic at Prudohe
Bay the past 30 years of Drilling operations.
Lots;
"...Most people do not realize that between 300-400 spills per
year occur in Alaska. This means spills occur at a rate greater
than one per day...."
http://www.arcticwildlife.org/spills.htm
Certainly most if this isn't in the high arctic, but I'm sure someof
it is. There's lots of reports found by google but they are to much
to read now.
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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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19 Mar 2005 04:43:14 PM |
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(Al Dykes) wrote in news:d1i781$9if$1@panix5.panix.com:
In article <YLmdnVaIn8nfAaHfRVn-hw@adelphia.com>,
Tel us how many catostrophic Oil spils have ruined the Arctic at
Prudohe Bay the past 30 years of Drilling operations.
Lots;
"...Most people do not realize that between 300-400 spills per
year occur in Alaska. This means spills occur at a rate greater
than one per day...."
http://www.arcticwildlife.org/spills.htm
Obviously none of which have been catostrophic. Oil spills mean lost
revenue for oil companies so they are going to do their best to not spill
any oil.
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20 Mar 2005 01:31:47 PM |
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"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:423cab02$0$29271$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote in news:d1i781$9if$1@panix5.panix.com:
In article <YLmdnVaIn8nfAaHfRVn-hw@adelphia.com>,
Tel us how many catostrophic Oil spils have ruined the Arctic at
Prudohe Bay the past 30 years of Drilling operations.
Lots;
"...Most people do not realize that between 300-400 spills per
year occur in Alaska. This means spills occur at a rate greater
than one per day...."
http://www.arcticwildlife.org/spills.htm
Obviously none of which have been catostrophic. Oil spills mean lost
revenue for oil companies so they are going to do their best to not spill
any oil.
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Any spill as small as what you get in your driveway after your car sits a
few hours is considered a " spill" and needs reported . The impression that
all these 400 spills are huge ones is incorrect. Greenpeace would be
plastering their picturs all over PBS if it were that bad.
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| User: "Coby Beck" |
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20 Mar 2005 03:01:07 AM |
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"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Obviously none of which have been catostrophic. Oil spills mean lost
revenue for oil companies so they are going to do their best to not spill
any oil.
Quite true, no oil company wants to lose oil. But this is an
over-simplification that does not mean what you think it means.
The missing part of this equation is the fact that preventing oil spills is
not a zero cost endeavor. What corporations do is cost-risk analysis
calculating lost revenue based on projected spillage versus expenditures
required to reduce those projections. It is quite inevitable that such a
calculation will reveal that there is a financially acceptable level of
spillage that will be offset by the money not spent on extra precautionary
measures.
This is the whole purpose of government regulation with fines as penalties.
You must increase the end cost of spills, accidents, pollution, etc so that
it becomes cost effective for a company to behave ethically.
If the industry can tolerate 400 spills per year it is because the lost
revenue is less than the cost of being careful.
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Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")
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| User: "Ron" |
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20 Mar 2005 11:20:47 AM |
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In article <nZa%d.4692$C7.1301@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Coby Beck" <cbeck@mercury.bc.ca> wrote:
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:423cab02$0$29271$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
Obviously none of which have been catostrophic. Oil spills mean lost
revenue for oil companies so they are going to do their best to not spill
any oil.
Quite true, no oil company wants to lose oil. But this is an
over-simplification that does not mean what you think it means.
The missing part of this equation is the fact that preventing oil spills is
not a zero cost endeavor. What corporations do is cost-risk analysis
calculating lost revenue based on projected spillage versus expenditures
required to reduce those projections. It is quite inevitable that such a
calculation will reveal that there is a financially acceptable level of
spillage that will be offset by the money not spent on extra precautionary
measures.
This is the whole purpose of government regulation with fines as penalties.
You must increase the end cost of spills, accidents, pollution, etc so that
it becomes cost effective for a company to behave ethically.
And they say you can't legislate morality.
If the industry can tolerate 400 spills per year it is because the lost
revenue is less than the cost of being careful.
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21 Mar 2005 04:12:02 AM |
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In article <423cab02$0$29271$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote in news:d1i781$9if$1@panix5.panix.com:
In article <YLmdnVaIn8nfAaHfRVn-hw@adelphia.com>,
Tel us how many catostrophic Oil spils have ruined the Arctic at
Prudohe Bay the past 30 years of Drilling operations.
Lots;
"...Most people do not realize that between 300-400 spills per
year occur in Alaska. This means spills occur at a rate greater
than one per day...."
http://www.arcticwildlife.org/spills.htm
Obviously none of which have been catostrophic. Oil spills mean lost
revenue for oil companies so they are going to do their best to not spill
any oil.
Exxon's revenue wasn't the biggest casualty of the Exxon Valdez.
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19 Mar 2005 04:00:49 PM |
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CLICK ON LINK AT BOTTOM OF ARTICLE.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.lists.filters/browse_frm/thread/faca0da23a25633a/7aa6f5fed3c7e362
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18 Mar 2005 07:42:21 AM |
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In article <423ad687$0$13896$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1dq1n$7cu$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in that Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
The oil isn't doing any good sitting in the ground.
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start
tapping into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take
years to get the crude flowing out of the ground.
Think of all the money to be made!
That's a good thing.
That means new jobs for Americans who handle the drilling and build the
pipeline to Alaska.
LOL! A few hundred jobs in a country the size of the US is nothing.
Who really will win are the oil companies.
Your point?
It also means that we're going to acquire more of the substance that
powers our economy without having to pay out our money to less than
friendly countries like Saudi Arabia & Venezuela. Best of all, the oil
is in the absolute middle of nowhere, so we don't have to inconvenience
anyone to drill ANWR. To the right, developing ANWR is all upside, all
positive, an idea that is so fantastic that they can hardly understand
how any rational person could oppose it.
Other than the risk of rendering a few species extinct for a little
oil that will have almost no effect on the economy.
Only an idiot liberal would make such a claim. It's like you believe that
the oil companies must destroy an area the size of South Carolina to get
the oil.
You people whined about the oil pipeline too and it turned out that it
actually increased wildlife poppulation.
"You people whined about the oil pipeline too and it turned
out that it actually increased wildlife poppulation."
Cite for that assertion, please?
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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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18 Mar 2005 09:17:04 PM |
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Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
If you've cruised the net over the last day or so, on the right or
left, you can't help but see ANWR, ANWR, ANWR everywhere. The 51-49
vote in the Senate to open drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge is causing Liberal Democrats to gnash their teeth in grief and
conservative Republicans to get more excited than the kid in that Numa
Numa Dance video.
We can learn a lot about the priorities of conservatives and liberals
by watching their reaction to ANWR.
And about Republicans, who would rather sell off America's natural
resources to oil companies than come up with a long-term energy
strategy.
The oil isn't doing any good sitting in the ground.
"Money isn't doing any good sitting in the bank. Better spend it ALL!"
Conservatives are happy because they believe we're about to start
tapping into a major, new domestic source of oil even if it will take
years to get the crude flowing out of the ground.
Think of all the money to be made!
That's a good thing.
For oil companies.
That means new jobs for Americans who handle the drilling and build the
pipeline to Alaska.
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