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Newsgroups: alt.abortion
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:10:22 GMT
[Jews]..damn straight..I hope we
kill
them
all
Why is anyone suprised that people who
advocate
killing
babies
in
their mother's womb,would resort to
such
attitudes?
Indeed. You should ask Papa Jack about
that
sort of
thing -
he's
the
only one I know of who's actually
stated
that
fetuses
conceived
as
a
result of rape may be aborted because
they
are
'poisoned
fruit'.
PJ's not very consistent.
I do not agree that a child who has the
misfortune of
having
a
rapist
father should die for his
crimes.However,the
topic
here
is
Ray
Fischer
and the genocide he advocates versus the
Jewish
peoples.
I've never advocated any such thing. Are
you
stupid
or
lying?
"[Jews]..damn straight..I hope we kill them
all."
That's what you posted alright, *****.
Do you have a point, *****? Or are you
_trying_ to
prove
to
everybody that you're a sleazy liar?
According to Google,the post was authored by
Ray
Fischer.
We should ask Ray why he feels Al Quada members
should
live.
Why should YOU live, *****?
You are trying to transfer responsiblity and avoid
the
question.
Why do you have sympathy for Al Quada members?
I'm wondering how this fits with US principles and
laws.
Shouldn't someone be tried for their crimes rather
than
killed
simply
for their political associations?
Did the members of Al Queda try the people on 9/11?
Did they try the people they beheaded?
Or how about the civilians they killed with car bombs?
Which members did this? Again, doesn't the American
judicial
system
pride itself on trial by jury, a presumption of innocence
and
the
freedom of political association.
Do you actually believe for a minute that people in Al Queda
deserve
to
be
considered innocent?
Have you been watching or listening to the news?
Al Queda's purpose is to kill Americans. They will continue
until
they
are
eliminated.
This is an organization that will never negotiate until they
accomplish
their goals, which is to kill Americans and anyone who
supports
America.
Can you give us ANY reason to feel ANYONE in Al Queda would
be
innocent???
A presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
Even when Al Queda comes out and takes responsibility?
Even when they are on T.V. saying they are going to behead
people
and
they
do?
You want to give them protection???
Give them protection, hmmm? What I am asking is if your belielfs
are
consistent with the position that you are arguing here.
My position is I don't support Al Queda. Their motive is to
terrorize
and to
kill.
History has taught us that you can not negotiate with terrorist. The
only
way to deal
with terrorist is to fight them and to kill them. They don't care
about
life, they don't care who they
hurt, they don't care if they die.
I think guilt by association would be appropriate terminology
here.
You
seem to be avoiding the question. Do you not believe that people
are
entitled to a fair trial and a presumption of innocence before
being
convincted and or executed.
I do not believe terrorist are entitled to a fair trial. I do not
believe
they are innocent.
I do not believe they will ever stop.
The only way to deal with terrorist like Al Queda is to fight them
and
to
kill their organization.
And if that means to kill every single one of them, then so be it.
I believe an American citizen is entitled to a fair trial since they
are
given these rights
through our Constitution.
I'm Canadian. If you deem me to be an enemy are then entitled to kill
me?
If you are an enemy, and you were trying to kill American citizens, and
I
had the opportunity to take you out
before you could kill anyone and it was my only option...yes I would
deem
you to be the enemy and I would be entitled to kill you.
But I don't see any Canadian's right now that are slamming planes into
our
sky scraper,
I'm assuming the person who slammed a plane into the building is dead.
So who exactly is that you want killed.
The rest of them waiting their turn to kill.
I'm also wondering how asking
your government to kill on your behalf exludes you from being an
accomplish from intentionally killing.
My behalf? I think you need to ask Americans because most Americans support
the elimination of Al Queda.
You have offered a justification,
but in the end, what you seem to be advocating is the intentional
killing of others
The intentional killing of terrorist
and without what you expect as a US citizen -- a fair
trial and a presumption of innocence.
I do not expect nor care if Al Queda gets a fair trial. I, like most
Americans...and most in the world I would imagine...only care that Al Queda
is eliminated.
beheading people, slamming cars packed with explosives into
buildings,
kidnapping people and videotaping their beheading and displaying it to
the
world.
I only see Al Queda doing this, they are the enemy, they deserve what
they
get.
The only thing they know is death, they are willing to die, they are not
willing to stop, they should be eliminated.
.
