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"Deuteros" |
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21 Jul 2005 08:28:28 PM |
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Welcome to America the Police State |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/21/AR2005072101127_pf.html
Police Begin Checking Bags on NYC Subways
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When are people going to figure out that these types of searches conducted
at the airports and now subways are unconstitutional? I suppose as long as
the government is willing to give people that false sense of security the
masses will be more than willing to give up their civil liberties.
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| User: "Nog" |
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23 Jul 2005 09:10:16 AM |
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"Deuteros" <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1gsob9e18qain.dlg@sec12-crow.ultima.com...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/21/AR2005072101127_pf.html
Police Begin Checking Bags on NYC Subways
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When are people going to figure out that these types of searches conducted
at the airports and now subways are unconstitutional? I suppose as long as
the government is willing to give people that false sense of security the
masses will be more than willing to give up their civil liberties.
¶ It a farce. Why search people you know? It's the unknowns that are a
threat. If I was born in the US and my birth certificate has been filed at
the town office ALL MY LIFE, isn't this information available? My parents
and grandparents birth certificates? The fact that my company bought the
ticket and I'm on offical business? Why not feed it into the fucking airline
computers! Come on now, everybody a suspect? The whole thing is a joke. The
enemy can get through anytime they want to because we can't racial profile
or hurt their feelings?. Security doesn't fool me.§
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| User: "Vince" |
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21 Jul 2005 09:10:10 PM |
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Deuteros wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/21/AR2005072101127_pf.html
Police Begin Checking Bags on NYC Subways
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When are people going to figure out that these types of searches conducted
at the airports and now subways are unconstitutional? I suppose as long as
the government is willing to give people that false sense of security the
masses will be more than willing to give up their civil liberties.
Much as I hate to disagree with you friend, BUT the TA is private so it
like when you go into an office or court building. If you don't want
your bag checked, don't go into the subway/court/office etc.
YES! it stinks because of a bunch of kooks (I mean that on both sides)
we have to have this nonsense
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| User: "Alex Rodriguez" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome to America the Police State |
22 Jul 2005 10:03:21 AM |
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In article <VCYDe.3830$Qy1.1434@fe09.lga>, says...
Much as I hate to disagree with you friend, BUT the TA is private so it
like when you go into an office or court building. If you don't want
your bag checked, don't go into the subway/court/office etc.
It is public, not private. It gets plenty of public funds too.
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Alex
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| User: "Vince" |
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22 Jul 2005 01:16:25 PM |
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Alex Rodriguez wrote:
In article <VCYDe.3830$Qy1.1434@fe09.lga>, says...
Much as I hate to disagree with you friend, BUT the TA is private so it
like when you go into an office or court building. If you don't want
your bag checked, don't go into the subway/court/office etc.
It is public, not private. It gets plenty of public funds too.
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Alex
My mistake Alex.
Public funds? Lets not forget our $2.00 fare
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| User: "Cyrus Afzali" |
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22 Jul 2005 01:47:46 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:16:25 -0400, Vince <>
wrote:
Alex Rodriguez wrote:
In article <VCYDe.3830$Qy1.1434@fe09.lga>, says...
Much as I hate to disagree with you friend, BUT the TA is private so it
like when you go into an office or court building. If you don't want
your bag checked, don't go into the subway/court/office etc.
It is public, not private. It gets plenty of public funds too.
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Alex
My mistake Alex.
Public funds? Lets not forget our $2.00 fare
To clear things up: as a state-chartered corporation, the MTA's
property is indeed considered private in terms of the law. IOW,
they're free to eject you from it under certain conditions, set rules
for using it, etc.
As for public funds, yes there are lots. Most of the capital
construction that happens is funded with state-issued, tax-free bonds.
The city and state, as well as the feds, also chip in money for
various parts of the operating and capital construction portions of
the budget.
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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21 Jul 2005 09:30:23 PM |
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Vince <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote in
news:VCYDe.3830$Qy1.1434@fe09.lga:
Deuteros wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/21/AR2005072101127_pf.html
Police Begin Checking Bags on NYC Subways
------
When are people going to figure out that these types of searches
conducted at the airports and now subways are unconstitutional? I
suppose as long as the government is willing to give people that false
sense of security the masses will be more than willing to give up their
civil liberties.
Much as I hate to disagree with you friend, BUT the TA is private so it
like when you go into an office or court building. If you don't want
your bag checked, don't go into the subway/court/office etc.
I did some reading about the New York Transit Authority but I couldn't find
out if it was private or not, but what I read did seem to imply that the subway
was run by the City.
Private or not, the city government gave the order to do random searches which
is a violation of the fourth amendment.
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| User: "Julian D." |
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21 Jul 2005 10:09:54 PM |
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On 22 Jul 2005 02:30:23 GMT, Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
Vince <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote in
news:VCYDe.3830$Qy1.1434@fe09.lga:
Deuteros wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/21/AR2005072101127_pf.html
Police Begin Checking Bags on NYC Subways
------
When are people going to figure out that these types of searches
conducted at the airports and now subways are unconstitutional? I
suppose as long as the government is willing to give people that false
sense of security the masses will be more than willing to give up their
civil liberties.
Much as I hate to disagree with you friend, BUT the TA is private so it
like when you go into an office or court building. If you don't want
your bag checked, don't go into the subway/court/office etc.
I did some reading about the New York Transit Authority but I couldn't find
out if it was private or not, but what I read did seem to imply that the subway
was run by the City.
Private or not, the city government gave the order to do random searches which
is a violation of the fourth amendment.
It's quite reasonable to assume that muslim males with backpacks on,
wearing long coats in warm weather, or wearing bulky shirts should
get a 2nd glance. Profiling works.
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| User: "John Mara" |
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23 Jul 2005 08:51:21 AM |
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"Julian D." <jules@ersatz.com> wrote in message
news:cpo0e1d5n13uqd9rfm3f0pqol2r4hrg1ps@4ax.com...
It's quite reasonable to assume that muslim males with backpacks on,
wearing long coats in warm weather, or wearing bulky shirts should
get a 2nd glance. Profiling works.
Do you mean you can tell someone is a Muslim by looking at him? How
exactly?
John Mara
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| User: "chris.holt" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome to America the Police State |
23 Jul 2005 03:27:31 PM |
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John Mara wrote:
"Julian D." <jules@ersatz.com> wrote...
It's quite reasonable to assume that muslim males with backpacks on,
wearing long coats in warm weather, or wearing bulky shirts should
get a 2nd glance. Profiling works.
Do you mean you can tell someone is a Muslim by looking at him? How
exactly?
Their eyes are too close together. Dead giveaway.
--
chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/chris.holt
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| User: "torresD" |
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23 Jul 2005 03:35:07 PM |
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"chris.holt" <chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:dbu97j$83k$2@ucsnew1.ncl.ac.uk...
John Mara wrote:
"Julian D." <jules@ersatz.com> wrote...
It's quite reasonable to assume that muslim males with backpacks on,
wearing long coats in warm weather, or wearing bulky shirts should
get a 2nd glance. Profiling works.
Do you mean you can tell someone is a Muslim by looking at him? How
exactly?
Their eyes are too close together. Dead giveaway.
They wear funny hats.
Women wear hejabs and sometimes veils.
chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/chris.holt
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| User: "Malibu Skipper" |
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24 Jul 2005 01:44:56 PM |
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torresD wrote:
"chris.holt" <chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:dbu97j$83k$2@ucsnew1.ncl.ac.uk...
John Mara wrote:
"Julian D." <jules@ersatz.com> wrote...
It's quite reasonable to assume that muslim males with backpacks on,
wearing long coats in warm weather, or wearing bulky shirts should
get a 2nd glance. Profiling works.
Do you mean you can tell someone is a Muslim by looking at him? How
exactly?
Their eyes are too close together. Dead giveaway.
They wear funny hats.
Women wear hejabs and sometimes veils.
And since these funny clothes are actually part of their anatomy, they
can't take them off even if they're trying to sneak into the airport
with a bomb. Nice how that works out, isn't it?
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| User: "chris.holt" |
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23 Jul 2005 03:47:40 PM |
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torresD wrote:
"chris.holt" <chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk> wrote...
John Mara wrote:
Do you mean you can tell someone is a Muslim by looking at him? How
exactly?
Their eyes are too close together. Dead giveaway.
They wear funny hats.
There's a Madness song, House of Fun. If you don't know
it, I can explain; but that was a really weird image you
set up there.
Women wear hejabs and sometimes veils.
Except of course the ones who don't. That's why you have
to go by the eye test. Or if you're still not sure, ask
them to dig up something with a shovel, and see which foot
they use. [Yes, I'm still on the Northern Irish thing.]
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chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/chris.holt
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome to America the Police State |
23 Jul 2005 05:35:56 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 9:51:21 -0400, John Mara wrote
(in message <tXrEe.40817$e%5.3980@twister.nyroc.rr.com>):
Do you mean you can tell someone is a Muslim by looking at him? How
exactly?
John Mara
It's the one with the bomb strapped on him. :o)
--
³Normally I would never consider using that term, but in your case..you
deserve it. Dont' cry about it, you asked to be called *****.² --Robert
Heishman (AKA Osprey)
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| User: "Alex Rodriguez" |
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22 Jul 2005 10:04:13 AM |
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In article <cpo0e1d5n13uqd9rfm3f0pqol2r4hrg1ps@4ax.com>,
says...
It's quite reasonable to assume that muslim males with backpacks on,
wearing long coats in warm weather, or wearing bulky shirts should
get a 2nd glance. Profiling works.
Just having a cop at the turnstile checking out folks will scare away most
people out to do something bad.
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Alex
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| User: "GEM" |
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22 Jul 2005 12:41:57 PM |
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"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:dbr1td$ch1$10@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
In article <cpo0e1d5n13uqd9rfm3f0pqol2r4hrg1ps@4ax.com>,
says...
It's quite reasonable to assume that muslim males with backpacks on,
wearing long coats in warm weather, or wearing bulky shirts should
get a 2nd glance. Profiling works.
Just having a cop at the turnstile checking out folks will scare away most
people out to do something bad.
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Alex
So putting a cop on every corner and in the doorway of every building, would
eliminate crime in America.... right?
GEM
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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22 Jul 2005 11:42:00 PM |
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"GEM" <webmaster@gemsgallery.org> writes:
"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:dbr1td$ch1$10@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
In article <cpo0e1d5n13uqd9rfm3f0pqol2r4hrg1ps@4ax.com>,
says...
It's quite reasonable to assume that muslim males with backpacks on,
wearing long coats in warm weather, or wearing bulky shirts should
get a 2nd glance. Profiling works.
Just having a cop at the turnstile checking out folks will scare away most
people out to do something bad.
So putting a cop on every corner and in the doorway of every building, would
eliminate crime in America.... right?
The old CPSU tried that in the Soviet Union (RIP 12/31/91) and look how well
it worked...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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22 Jul 2005 11:50:08 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 0:42:00 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkirz2gmlj.fsf@eris.io.com>):
The old CPSU tried that in the Soviet Union (RIP 12/31/91) and look how well
it worked...
Germany tried it too, ask heishman. He's a hitler fan. :D
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"I respect how Hitler came into power." --Osprey
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23 Jul 2005 12:46:36 AM |
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Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 0:42:00 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkirz2gmlj.fsf@eris.io.com>):
The old CPSU tried that in the Soviet Union (RIP 12/31/91) and look how well
it worked...
Germany tried it too, ask heishman. He's a hitler fan. :D
"Hitler...has only got one ball" ;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "slim" |
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26 Jul 2005 01:52:58 PM |
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The Chief Instigator wrote:
Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> writes:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 0:42:00 -0400, The Chief Instigator wrote
(in message <szkirz2gmlj.fsf@eris.io.com>):
The old CPSU tried that in the Soviet Union (RIP 12/31/91) and look how well
it worked...
Germany tried it too, ask heishman. He's a hitler fan. :D
"Hitler...has only got one ball" ;-)
KKKen has none.
--------------------
RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's *****.
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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22 Jul 2005 03:44:56 PM |
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"GEM" <webmaster@gemsgallery.org> wrote in
news:gnaEe.10090$je2.1056620@news20.bellglobal.com:
"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:dbr1td$ch1$10@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
Just having a cop at the turnstile checking out folks will scare away
most people out to do something bad.
So putting a cop on every corner and in the doorway of every building,
would eliminate crime in America.... right?
i think they like the uniforms.
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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21 Jul 2005 10:24:01 PM |
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Julian D. <jules@ersatz.com> wrote in
news:cpo0e1d5n13uqd9rfm3f0pqol2r4hrg1ps@4ax.com:
On 22 Jul 2005 02:30:23 GMT, Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
Vince <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote in
news:VCYDe.3830$Qy1.1434@fe09.lga:
Deuteros wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/21/AR2005
072101127_pf.html
Police Begin Checking Bags on NYC Subways
------
When are people going to figure out that these types of searches
conducted at the airports and now subways are unconstitutional? I
suppose as long as the government is willing to give people that
false sense of security the masses will be more than willing to give
up their civil liberties.
Much as I hate to disagree with you friend, BUT the TA is private so
it like when you go into an office or court building. If you don't
want your bag checked, don't go into the subway/court/office etc.
I did some reading about the New York Transit Authority but I couldn't
find out if it was private or not, but what I read did seem to imply
that the subway was run by the City.
Private or not, the city government gave the order to do random
searches which is a violation of the fourth amendment.
It's quite reasonable to assume that muslim males with backpacks on,
wearing long coats in warm weather, or wearing bulky shirts should
get a 2nd glance. Profiling works.
They will be searching everybody's bags, not just those people who look
suspicious.
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| User: "Alex Rodriguez" |
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22 Jul 2005 10:06:04 AM |
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In article <42e066d1$0$21279$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
deuteros@xrs.net says...
They will be searching everybody's bags, not just those people who look
suspicious.
No, they will not search everyone. That is also part of the problem. I'm
sure that some folks who are not suspected to being terrorists but fit the
police's biased idea of what a bad guy looks like will get searched in the
hopes of finding something illegal. I hope the ACLU get involved and helps
to stop the stupidity.
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Alex
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| User: "torresD" |
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23 Jul 2005 12:34:17 PM |
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"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:dbr20s$ch1$11@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
In article <42e066d1$0$21279$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
deuteros@xrs.net says...
They will be searching everybody's bags, not just those people who look
suspicious.
No, they will not search everyone. That is also part of the problem. I'm
sure that some folks who are not suspected to being terrorists but fit
the
police's biased idea of what a bad guy looks like will get searched in the
hopes of finding something illegal. I hope the ACLU get involved and
helps
to stop the stupidity.
-------------
Alex
Yeah well, those carrying crack rocks, crack pipes with crack residue,
marijuana, cigerettes cartons without tax stamps, heroin slabs, will all
be arrested after being searched.
Plenty of overtime for everybody.
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| User: "Bill Levinson" |
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23 Jul 2005 04:39:38 PM |
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torresD wrote:
"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:dbr20s$ch1$11@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
In article <42e066d1$0$21279$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
deuteros@xrs.net says...
They will be searching everybody's bags, not just those people who look
suspicious.
No, they will not search everyone. That is also part of the problem. I'm
sure that some folks who are not suspected to being terrorists but fit
the
police's biased idea of what a bad guy looks like will get searched in the
hopes of finding something illegal. I hope the ACLU get involved and
helps
to stop the stupidity.
-------------
Alex
Yeah well, those carrying crack rocks, crack pipes with crack residue,
marijuana, cigerettes cartons without tax stamps, heroin slabs, will all
be arrested after being searched.
Plenty of overtime for everybody.
The searches are illegal and I think anyone who is refused entry into
the subway for refusing to be searched should file a civil rights action.
On the other hand, the police can and should search anyone who gives
them probable cause, like wearing a heavy bulging overcoat in July. This
is quite Constitutional.
--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/
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| User: "torresD" |
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23 Jul 2005 04:42:16 PM |
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"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
news:uOyEe.8190$oZ.3486@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
torresD wrote:
"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:dbr20s$ch1$11@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
In article <42e066d1$0$21279$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
deuteros@xrs.net says...
They will be searching everybody's bags, not just those people who look
suspicious.
No, they will not search everyone. That is also part of the problem.
I'm
sure that some folks who are not suspected to being terrorists but fit
the
police's biased idea of what a bad guy looks like will get searched in
the
hopes of finding something illegal. I hope the ACLU get involved and
helps
to stop the stupidity.
-------------
Alex
Yeah well, those carrying crack rocks, crack pipes with crack residue,
marijuana, cigerettes cartons without tax stamps, heroin slabs, will all
be arrested after being searched.
Plenty of overtime for everybody.
The searches are illegal and I think anyone who is refused entry into the
subway for refusing to be searched should file a civil rights action.
On the other hand, the police can and should search anyone who gives them
probable cause, like wearing a heavy bulging overcoat in July. This is
quite Constitutional.
--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/
So far, I agree with you on this topic.
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| User: "Julian D." |
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24 Jul 2005 04:38:13 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:39:38 GMT, Bill Levinson
<wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
torresD wrote:
"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:dbr20s$ch1$11@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
In article <42e066d1$0$21279$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
deuteros@xrs.net says...
They will be searching everybody's bags, not just those people who look
suspicious.
No, they will not search everyone. That is also part of the problem. I'm
sure that some folks who are not suspected to being terrorists but fit
the
police's biased idea of what a bad guy looks like will get searched in the
hopes of finding something illegal. I hope the ACLU get involved and
helps
to stop the stupidity.
-------------
Alex
Yeah well, those carrying crack rocks, crack pipes with crack residue,
marijuana, cigerettes cartons without tax stamps, heroin slabs, will all
be arrested after being searched.
Plenty of overtime for everybody.
The searches are illegal and I think anyone who is refused entry into
the subway for refusing to be searched should file a civil rights action.
On the other hand, the police can and should search anyone who gives
them probable cause, like wearing a heavy bulging overcoat in July. This
is quite Constitutional.
What about a swarthy muslim male with a backpack on?
--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/
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| User: "Joseph D. Korman" |
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25 Jul 2005 12:41:14 PM |
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Julian D. wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:39:38 GMT, Bill Levinson
<wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
torresD wrote:
"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:dbr20s$ch1$11@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
In article <42e066d1$0$21279$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
deuteros@xrs.net says...
They will be searching everybody's bags, not just those people who look
suspicious.
No, they will not search everyone. That is also part of the problem. I'm
sure that some folks who are not suspected to being terrorists but fit
the
police's biased idea of what a bad guy looks like will get searched in the
hopes of finding something illegal. I hope the ACLU get involved and
helps
to stop the stupidity.
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Alex
Yeah well, those carrying crack rocks, crack pipes with crack residue,
marijuana, cigerettes cartons without tax stamps, heroin slabs, will all
be arrested after being searched.
Plenty of overtime for everybody.
The searches are illegal and I think anyone who is refused entry into
the subway for refusing to be searched should file a civil rights action.
On the other hand, the police can and should search anyone who gives
them probable cause, like wearing a heavy bulging overcoat in July. This
is quite Constitutional.
What about a swarthy muslim male with a backpack on?
What about the tourists on the sightseeing bus with the bulging pockets?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/331264p-283131c.html
from the article: 'had backpacks and their pockets "stuffed"'
It's disgusting! Note the driver's name.
These tourists will return to NY real soon.
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| User: "Bill Levinson" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome to America the Police State |
27 Jul 2005 11:32:29 AM |
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Julian D. wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:39:38 GMT, Bill Levinson
<wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
torresD wrote:
"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:dbr20s$ch1$11@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
In article <42e066d1$0$21279$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
deuteros@xrs.net says...
They will be searching everybody's bags, not just those people who look
suspicious.
No, they will not search everyone. That is also part of the problem. I'm
sure that some folks who are not suspected to being terrorists but fit
the
police's biased idea of what a bad guy looks like will get searched in the
hopes of finding something illegal. I hope the ACLU get involved and
helps
to stop the stupidity.
-------------
Alex
Yeah well, those carrying crack rocks, crack pipes with crack residue,
marijuana, cigerettes cartons without tax stamps, heroin slabs, will all
be arrested after being searched.
Plenty of overtime for everybody.
The searches are illegal and I think anyone who is refused entry into
the subway for refusing to be searched should file a civil rights action.
On the other hand, the police can and should search anyone who gives
them probable cause, like wearing a heavy bulging overcoat in July. This
is quite Constitutional.
What about a swarthy muslim male with a backpack on?
If he is also carrying a book entitled, "72 Virgins: Allah, Martyrdom,
and You," I might be suspicious of him.
--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/
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| User: "Julian D." |
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| Title: Re: Welcome to America the Police State |
27 Jul 2005 04:59:58 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:32:29 GMT, Bill Levinson
<wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
Julian D. wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:39:38 GMT, Bill Levinson
<wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
torresD wrote:
"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:dbr20s$ch1$11@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
In article <42e066d1$0$21279$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
deuteros@xrs.net says...
They will be searching everybody's bags, not just those people who look
suspicious.
No, they will not search everyone. That is also part of the problem. I'm
sure that some folks who are not suspected to being terrorists but fit
the
police's biased idea of what a bad guy looks like will get searched in the
hopes of finding something illegal. I hope the ACLU get involved and
helps
to stop the stupidity.
-------------
Alex
Yeah well, those carrying crack rocks, crack pipes with crack residue,
marijuana, cigerettes cartons without tax stamps, heroin slabs, will all
be arrested after being searched.
Plenty of overtime for everybody.
The searches are illegal and I think anyone who is refused entry into
the subway for refusing to be searched should file a civil rights action.
On the other hand, the police can and should search anyone who gives
them probable cause, like wearing a heavy bulging overcoat in July. This
is quite Constitutional.
What about a swarthy muslim male with a backpack on?
If he is also carrying a book entitled, "72 Virgins: Allah, Martyrdom,
and You," I might be suspicious of him.
Answer the question Bill. Would you feel safe on a subway, train, or
bus with a middle-eastern looking man or men wearing backpacks or
carrying large packages without them having been stopped and searched
first?
--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/
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| User: "Baldin Pramer" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome to America the Police State |
21 Jul 2005 10:49:57 PM |
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Julian D. wrote:
It's quite reasonable to assume that muslim males with backpacks on,
wearing long coats in warm weather, or wearing bulky shirts should
get a 2nd glance. Profiling works.
Damned straight, and it is crazy for the Bushites to continue to insist
that there will be no profiling done.
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Sir Baldin Pramer, RPA
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