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Science > Abortion |
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"Purple" |
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09 Dec 2003 09:10:52 PM |
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What does 'pro-life' really mean these days? |
It seems to me that the term 'pro-life' has been hijacked by people
whose prime concern is not the promotion of life but opposition
to any attempt to interfere with natural life cycles. 2 examples
from the UK media:
(1) A 4 year old boy suffered from thalassaemia and the failure to find
a suitable tissue match was threatening his life. His parents wanted
to create a new human life out of a specially selected embryo so as
to save this already existing life. The so-called 'pro-life' groups
objected.
(2) A pair of conjoined twins was born, one of whom was viable on their
own, the other could only survive by parasitic action upon her sister.
The doctors thought that this parasitic action would inevitably cost
the healthy babies life as well as the unhealthy one. So called 'pro-life'
groups objected to having them seperated.
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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| Title: Re: What does 'pro-life' really mean these days? |
10 Dec 2003 01:53:04 PM |
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A pair of conjoined twins was born, one of whom was viable on their
own, the other could only survive by parasitic action upon her sister.
The doctors thought that this parasitic action would inevitably cost
the healthy babies life as well as the unhealthy one. So called 'pro-life'
groups objected to having them seperated.
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Yeah, it's so much kinder to have them go thru life as freaks.........
what morons!
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| User: "HateFeminism" |
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| Title: Re: What does 'pro-life' really mean these days? |
10 Dec 2003 03:04:15 AM |
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Purple wrote:
It seems to me that the term 'pro-life' has been hijacked by people
whose prime concern is not the promotion of life but opposition
to any attempt to interfere with natural life cycles. 2 examples
from the UK media:
(1) A 4 year old boy suffered from thalassaemia and the failure to find
a suitable tissue match was threatening his life. His parents wanted
to create a new human life out of a specially selected embryo so as
to save this already existing life. The so-called 'pro-life' groups
objected.
One embryo out of many, presumably. IOW the remaining individuals would be
trashed.
(2) A pair of conjoined twins was born, one of whom was viable on their
own, the other could only survive by parasitic action upon her sister.
The doctors thought that this parasitic action would inevitably cost
the healthy babies life as well as the unhealthy one. So called 'pro-life'
groups objected to having them seperated.
This is more complicated. One life to save another? I believe a majority
of pro-lifers agree with the life exception for abortion and therefore
perhaps would in this case also.
Then again, if the issue is one of QUALITY of life (which presumably
includes length of life - salient to this case) then perhaps not. Who's to
say how long they both could live anyway? In the other case, one is
guaranteed dead! (Btw, the term "parasitic" bears no relevance to the
human rights question. Obviously it does to a radical pro-abort like you
since you people portray even natural pregnancy - the gestation of young -
in such a way. Such is the anti-life mindset!)
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| User: "Purple" |
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| Title: Re: What does 'pro-life' really mean these days? |
10 Dec 2003 06:35:13 PM |
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HateFeminism <feminists.are.bitches@now.org> wrote in message news:<3FD6E18F.7982707D@now.org>...
Purple wrote:
It seems to me that the term 'pro-life' has been hijacked by people
whose prime concern is not the promotion of life but opposition
to any attempt to interfere with natural life cycles. 2 examples
from the UK media:
(1) A 4 year old boy suffered from thalassaemia and the failure to find
a suitable tissue match was threatening his life. His parents wanted
to create a new human life out of a specially selected embryo so as
to save this already existing life. The so-called 'pro-life' groups
objected.
One embryo out of many, presumably. IOW the remaining individuals would be
trashed.
I believe that is true and if you believe in the appropriate metaphysics,
I guess you could see this is a sufficient evil to outwiegh the good
that comes of the medical care. If however you only concern yourself
with things that can readily be established through observation, then
the creation of a new human life in order to halt the suffering of
another human life must surely be a good thing.
(2) A pair of conjoined twins was born, one of whom was viable on their
own, the other could only survive by parasitic action upon her sister.
The doctors thought that this parasitic action would inevitably cost
the healthy babies life as well as the unhealthy one. So called 'pro-life'
groups objected to having them seperated.
This is more complicated. One life to save another? I believe a majority
of pro-lifers agree with the life exception for abortion and therefore
perhaps would in this case also.
I'm sure the majority of people opposed to abortion would see it that way.
I'm not so sure about the majority of high profile figures within the
so-called 'pro-life' movement. From how I remember the media coverage
at the time, the major pro-life groups in the UK denied that this was
a valid exception to the principle that you should never take a human life.
Then again, if the issue is one of QUALITY of life (which presumably
includes length of life - salient to this case) then perhaps not.
If quality of life is a major consideration then the the effects of
an unwanted pregnancy on the mother are extremely important and the
pro-life movement is on shaky ground.
Who's to
say how long they both could live anyway?
I believe it was the expert opinion of the doctors responsible for them.
The surviving twin is (as far as I know) still healthy and can look
forward to a normal life.
In the other case, one is
guaranteed dead!
If the anti-seperation campaigners had had their way it is almost
certain that both would be dead.
(Btw, the term "parasitic" bears no relevance to the
human rights question.
I disagree. The parasitic nature of the unviable baby was the thing
killing the viable one.
Obviously it does to a radical pro-abort like you
since you people portray even natural pregnancy - the gestation of young -
in such a way. Such is the anti-life mindset!)
I don't believe I have ever actually portrayed a natural pregnancy in
such a way although the fetus is technically a parasite as I understand
the term.
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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| Title: Re: What does 'pro-life' really mean these days? |
10 Dec 2003 01:59:47 PM |
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One embryo out of many, presumably. IOW the remaining individuals would be
trashed.
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On and a mindless embryo is more important than a suffering little boy?
You're a real *****......ya know that?
You clearly demonstrate that "pro life" is actually short for "pro FETAL life"
because the life of one innocent little boy means nothing next to your precious
embryos!
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