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User: "james g. keegan jr."
Date: 04 Nov 2007 04:40:43 PM
Object: What kind of nut wants war with Iran?
What kind of nut wants war with Iran?
By Joseph Galloway
McClatchy Newspapers
There were some things far more frightening last week than
Halloween's small ghouls and goblins -- and the scariest of all is
the Bush administration's seemingly inexorable march toward military
confrontation with Iran.
What are they smoking at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.? The very idea is
dumb as a fencepost and best left to the biggest pied piper of what
passes for neoconservative thought, Norman Podhoretz. Yet President
Bush and his able assistant, Vice President ***** Cheney, are marching
to that tune and humming along lustily.
There is no crisis here and no earthly reason to manufacture one on
short notice, except for the fact that in less than 15 months, the
Bush administration will pass ignominiously into history. Then a new
chief executive can begin dealing with ongoing wars in Afghanistan
and Iraq, a national debt nearing $10 trillion, a terrorist threat to
America only made stronger by eight years of Bush and Cheney, and a
national economy trembling on the brink of recession.
As though that weren't a big enough mess to leave behind, these
brilliant thinkers want to bequeath a third and far more dangerous
war to whoever is unlucky enough to win the tussle of midgets that
passes for a presidential contest.
There are two questions here: Why? And why now?
Yes, the centrifuges are whirling away in Iran's deeply buried and
widely dispersed nuclear facilities, enriching uranium that can be
used to power electric generation plants and, it's true, to build
nuclear weapons.
But most analysts say that even if the Iranians' ultimate ambition is
to build a nuclear weapon, it will take them another five or six
years to get there. Some say even longer.
How about we take a deep breath and -- once we have an administration
in power that believes that it is far better to talk, talk, talk than
it is to war, war, war -- negotiate with Iran without all those
preconditions so beloved by Bush and Cheney?
How about we do all we can to support the International Atomic Energy
Agency and its goal of inspecting facilities like those in Iran to
ensure that the product is used only for peaceful purposes?
If none of that works, we can count on one final fallback position:
If and when Iran gets within reach of building a nuke, Israel will
take out crucial parts of that system.
All of this argues against Bush and Cheney doing anything more than
running their mouths and pretending to be relevant, studly and in
charge as they stumble blindly toward the finish line and history's
harsh judgment.
The more thoughtful military and civilian advisers can rattle off a
dozen reasons why an American attack on Iran at this juncture would
be foolish in the extreme and risk setting the Middle East afire,
including:
Shutting down not only Iran's oil production but Iraq's as well, and
possibly triggering Iranian retaliation against the oil production
and shipping in Persian Gulf nations. Are we ready for $300-a-barrel
oil?
Putting 160,000 U.S. troops and another 125,000 U.S. and foreign
contractors in Iraq at much greater risk, as neighboring Iran signals
Shiite allies there to begin all-out war against us and sends in its
own well-armed guerrillas to lead the attack. Our 250-mile main
supply lines in Iraq run through the heart of Shiite-controlled
southern Iraq, and they would be cut. If we think we have troubles
now with the shaky Iraq national government, which already has
snuggled up to Tehran, what would war with Iran bring?
Risking confrontation with the newly oil-rich and energized Russian
Federation and President Bush's ex-KGB soulmate, Vladimir Putin.
Putin has his hand on the natural gas and oil pipelines that keep our
presumed allies in Europe from freezing to death, so it is wise to
assume that any support for a U.S. attack on his ally Iran would be
slim to none.
Assuming that any U.S. air war against Iran would not be enough by
itself --and such air campaigns seldom are definitive in modern
history -- where would we find the ground forces capable of doing the
really hard part? Our Army and Marine Corps are stretched to the
breaking point maintaining the force level in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We have no strategic reserves available to help secure our allies in
the Persian Gulf, much less to mount any offensive inside Iran.
No one in their right mind would believe that attacking Iran now
makes any sense. But that doesn't mean Bush and Cheney won't do it.
There were a lot of reasons why a pre-emptive strike into Iraq based
on flimsy and bogus intelligence and far too few troops made no
sense, yet they did it anyway, with trademark arrogance and ignorance.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
http://www.star-telegram.com/245/v-print/story/290611.html
--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
in news:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com

.

User: "elizabeth"

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 05 Nov 2007 08:59:58 PM
On Nov 4, 2:40 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:

What kind of nut wants war with Iran?

Oh, just those who have no relatives serving in the military . .. or
who will never serve themselves . ..

By Joseph Galloway
McClatchy Newspapers

There were some things far more frightening last week than
Halloween's small ghouls and goblins -- and the scariest of all is
the Bush administration's seemingly inexorable march toward military
confrontation with Iran.

What are they smoking at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.? The very idea is
dumb as a fencepost and best left to the biggest pied piper of what
passes for neoconservative thought, Norman Podhoretz. Yet President
Bush and his able assistant, Vice President ***** Cheney, are marching
to that tune and humming along lustily.

There is no crisis here and no earthly reason to manufacture one on
short notice, except for the fact that in less than 15 months, the
Bush administration will pass ignominiously into history. Then a new
chief executive can begin dealing with ongoing wars in Afghanistan
and Iraq, a national debt nearing $10 trillion, a terrorist threat to
America only made stronger by eight years of Bush and Cheney, and a
national economy trembling on the brink of recession.

As though that weren't a big enough mess to leave behind, these
brilliant thinkers want to bequeath a third and far more dangerous
war to whoever is unlucky enough to win the tussle of midgets that
passes for a presidential contest.

There are two questions here: Why? And why now?

Yes, the centrifuges are whirling away in Iran's deeply buried and
widely dispersed nuclear facilities, enriching uranium that can be
used to power electric generation plants and, it's true, to build
nuclear weapons.

But most analysts say that even if the Iranians' ultimate ambition is
to build a nuclear weapon, it will take them another five or six
years to get there. Some say even longer.

How about we take a deep breath and -- once we have an administration
in power that believes that it is far better to talk, talk, talk than
it is to war, war, war -- negotiate with Iran without all those
preconditions so beloved by Bush and Cheney?

How about we do all we can to support the International Atomic Energy
Agency and its goal of inspecting facilities like those in Iran to
ensure that the product is used only for peaceful purposes?

If none of that works, we can count on one final fallback position:
If and when Iran gets within reach of building a nuke, Israel will
take out crucial parts of that system.

All of this argues against Bush and Cheney doing anything more than
running their mouths and pretending to be relevant, studly and in
charge as they stumble blindly toward the finish line and history's
harsh judgment.

The more thoughtful military and civilian advisers can rattle off a
dozen reasons why an American attack on Iran at this juncture would
be foolish in the extreme and risk setting the Middle East afire,
including:

Shutting down not only Iran's oil production but Iraq's as well, and
possibly triggering Iranian retaliation against the oil production
and shipping in Persian Gulf nations. Are we ready for $300-a-barrel
oil?

Putting 160,000 U.S. troops and another 125,000 U.S. and foreign
contractors in Iraq at much greater risk, as neighboring Iran signals
Shiite allies there to begin all-out war against us and sends in its
own well-armed guerrillas to lead the attack. Our 250-mile main
supply lines in Iraq run through the heart of Shiite-controlled
southern Iraq, and they would be cut. If we think we have troubles
now with the shaky Iraq national government, which already has
snuggled up to Tehran, what would war with Iran bring?

Risking confrontation with the newly oil-rich and energized Russian
Federation and President Bush's ex-KGB soulmate, Vladimir Putin.
Putin has his hand on the natural gas and oil pipelines that keep our
presumed allies in Europe from freezing to death, so it is wise to
assume that any support for a U.S. attack on his ally Iran would be
slim to none.

Assuming that any U.S. air war against Iran would not be enough by
itself --and such air campaigns seldom are definitive in modern
history -- where would we find the ground forces capable of doing the
really hard part? Our Army and Marine Corps are stretched to the
breaking point maintaining the force level in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We have no strategic reserves available to help secure our allies in
the Persian Gulf, much less to mount any offensive inside Iran.

No one in their right mind would believe that attacking Iran now
makes any sense. But that doesn't mean Bush and Cheney won't do it.

There were a lot of reasons why a pre-emptive strike into Iraq based
on flimsy and bogus intelligence and far too few troops made no
sense, yet they did it anyway, with trademark arrogance and ignorance.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

http://www.star-telegram.com/245/v-print/story/290611.html

--
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have
been warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
innews:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com

.

User: "Quadibloc"

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 06 Nov 2007 08:31:35 PM
james g. keegan jr. wrote:

What kind of nut wants war with Iran?

I don't know. How about one who lives in Tel Aviv, and doesn't want to
get nuked?
John Savard
.
User: "Robert"

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 07 Nov 2007 11:43:33 AM
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:31:35 -0800, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
wrote:

james g. keegan jr. wrote:

What kind of nut wants war with Iran?


I don't know. How about one who lives in Tel Aviv, and doesn't want to
get nuked?

John Savard

Then he best get to work on building a peace plan that will work. A
war in Iran has a good chance in ending the Cancer of Israel. Iran
doesn't need a nuclear bomb for Israel to be nuked.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
.

User: "* US *"

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 07 Nov 2007 05:24:59 AM
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:31:35 -0800, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

james g. keegan jr. wrote:

What kind of nut wants war with Iran?


I don't know. How about one who lives in Tel Aviv, and doesn't want to
get nuked?

John Savard

You're saying you live there and you believe
a nuke will hit you?
Why?
.
User: "Quadibloc"

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 07 Nov 2007 06:27:56 AM
* US * wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:31:35 -0800, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

james g. keegan jr. wrote:

What kind of nut wants war with Iran?


I don't know. How about one who lives in Tel Aviv, and doesn't want to
get nuked?


You're saying you live there and you believe
a nuke will hit you?

Why?

No, I don't live in Tel Aviv.
But the belief that if Iran gets nukes, it will use them on Israel, is
not an unreasonable one. Certain public statements by Ahmadinejad
indicate this, even if others claim his reactor program is strictly
for peaceful purposes.
John Savard
.
User: ""

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 07 Nov 2007 11:36:35 AM
On Nov 7, 7:27 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

* US * wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:31:35 -0800, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:


james g. keegan jr. wrote:

What kind of nut wants war with Iran?


I don't know. How about one who lives in Tel Aviv, and doesn't want to
get nuked?


You're saying you live there and you believe
a nuke will hit you?


Why?


No, I don't live in Tel Aviv.

But the belief that if Iran gets nukes, it will use them on Israel, is
not an unreasonable one. Certain public statements by Ahmadinejad
indicate this, even if others claim his reactor program is strictly
for peaceful purposes.

John Savard

* Idiot peasoup fascists from Alberta can not be
expected to get with the real facts.
* Ahmadinejad at new air base near Afghanistan:
Iran has reached goal of 3,000 centrifuges
for uranium enrichment
November 7, 2007, 11:55 AM (GMT+02:00)
This announcement Wednesday Nov. 7 by the
Iranian president at a rally in the northeastern city of
Birjand means, according to scientists, that Iran can,
in ideal conditions, produce an atom bomb in one
year's time.
Iranian sources reveal that that a new Iranian air
base was inaugurated at Birjand close to the
Afghan border a few weeks ago. Ahmadinejad's
disclosure bore a double menace: Iran's air force
has now placed US-led NATO forces fighting
terrorists in Afghanistan within range should
Washington resort to a military attack on its
nuclear installations.
.
User: "* US *"

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 07 Nov 2007 12:49:08 PM
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:36:35 -0800,
wrote:

Iran ...

It's not a threat. You've been duped.
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:27:56 -0800, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

* US * wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:31:35 -0800, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

james g. keegan jr. wrote:

What kind of nut wants war with Iran?


I don't know. How about one who lives in Tel Aviv, and doesn't want to
get nuked?


You're saying you live there and you believe
a nuke will hit you?

Why?


No, I don't live in Tel Aviv.

So why try to claim you'd represent anyone who does?

But the belief that if Iran gets nukes

Iran doesn't have nukes. Neither did Iraq, for that matter.
How many helpless innocent people are you willing to kill
for a baseless belief?
Is 6 million your magic number? Will you feel safe, then?

it will use them on Israel, is
not an unreasonable one.

Bush and Cheney are more of a threat than Iran.

Certain public statements by Ahmadinejad

Do you imagine you'd know what he said?
Why?
.
User: ""

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 07 Nov 2007 04:34:47 PM
On Nov 7, 1:49 pm, * US * wrote:

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:36:35 -0800,

wrote:

Iran ...


It's not a threat. You've been duped.

* Shawn -- you are the dupe
It is long past time you got your first clue
.
User: "* US *"

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 07 Nov 2007 07:51:46 PM
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:34:47 -0800,
wrote:

... the dupe ...

You got fooled on Iraq, too.
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:36:35 -0800,
wrote:

Iran ...

It's not a threat. You've been duped.
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:27:56 -0800, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

* US * wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:31:35 -0800, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

james g. keegan jr. wrote:

What kind of nut wants war with Iran?


I don't know. How about one who lives in Tel Aviv, and doesn't want to
get nuked?


You're saying you live there and you believe
a nuke will hit you?

Why?


No, I don't live in Tel Aviv.

So why try to claim you'd represent anyone who does?

But the belief that if Iran gets nukes

Iran doesn't have nukes. Neither did Iraq, for that matter.
How many helpless innocent people are you willing to kill
for a baseless belief?
Is 6 million your magic number? Will you feel safe, then?

it will use them on Israel, is
not an unreasonable one.

Bush and Cheney are more of a threat than Iran.

Certain public statements by Ahmadinejad

Do you imagine you'd know what he said?
Why?
.




User: "* US *"

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 07 Nov 2007 06:35:01 AM
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:27:56 -0800, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

* US * wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:31:35 -0800, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

james g. keegan jr. wrote:

What kind of nut wants war with Iran?


I don't know. How about one who lives in Tel Aviv, and doesn't want to
get nuked?


You're saying you live there and you believe
a nuke will hit you?

Why?


No, I don't live in Tel Aviv.

So why try to claim you'd represent anyone who does?

But the belief that if Iran gets nukes

Iran doesn't have nukes. Neither did Iraq, for that matter.
How many helpless innocent people are you willing to kill
for a baseless belief?
Is 6 million your magic number? Will you feel safe, then?

it will use them on Israel, is
not an unreasonable one.

Bush and Cheney are more of a threat than Iran.

Certain public statements by Ahmadinejad

Do you imagine you'd know what he said?
Why?
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 07 Nov 2007 11:03:55 PM
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

* US * wrote:

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

james g. keegan jr. wrote:

What kind of nut wants war with Iran?


I don't know. How about one who lives in Tel Aviv, and doesn't want to
get nuked?


You're saying you live there and you believe
a nuke will hit you?

Why?


No, I don't live in Tel Aviv.

But the belief that if Iran gets nukes, it will use them on Israel, is
not an unreasonable one.

Israel has nukes. Have they used them?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Quadibloc"

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 09 Nov 2007 07:55:56 AM
Ray Fischer wrote:

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

But the belief that if Iran gets nukes, it will use them on Israel, is
not an unreasonable one.


Israel has nukes. Have they used them?

The United States didn't nuke the entire Islamic world off the face of
the Earth on September 12, 2001. That's because the United States is a
responsible democratic nation that believes in human rights and is
against genocide. Like Britain, Sweden, New Zealand, Spain, Greece...
or Israel.
Not like Iran. They're the country that held American diplomats
hostage - and they have NOT undergone a regime change since that
happened. In case you've forgotten.
John Savard
.
User: "james g. keegan jr."

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 09 Nov 2007 02:59:51 PM
In article <1194616556.354611.257840@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

The United States didn't nuke the entire Islamic world off the face of
the Earth on September 12, 2001. That's because the United States is a
responsible democratic nation that believes in human rights

did your nose just grow longer?
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: What kind of nut wants war with Iran? 10 Nov 2007 01:27:54 AM
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:


But the belief that if Iran gets nukes, it will use them on Israel, is
not an unreasonable one.


Israel has nukes. Have they used them?


The United States didn't nuke the entire Islamic world off the face of
the Earth on September 12, 2001.

Non sequitur.

That's because the United States is a
responsible democratic nation that believes in human rights

Spare us the ***** propaganda.

Not like Iran. They're the country that held American diplomats

I'm not interested in the ravings of a murderous bigot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.







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