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"J Young" |
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07 Jun 2004 02:57:56 PM |
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What price life ? |
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her child
to live?Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if we
started calling actions what they really are.Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: What price life ? |
07 Jun 2004 07:03:07 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.
** Who and what are the anti-life cartel? Are they the ones who put zygotes
and fetuses before the welfare of women and teenage girls? You mean people
are chasing pregnant women around the streets and stores telling them to
abort because having a baby is so outrageously expensive???
How much money would it take to convince her to allow her child
to live?
** So she can dump it into an already overburdened Foster Care System?
Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.
** Who tells pregnant poor women to abort? Their minister? Their mothers?
Their husbands or boyfriends? That's a decision they come to on their own
as they themselves will tell you.
Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if we
started calling actions what they really are.
** Yes, call them abortions because that's what they are.
Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
** What's your excuse to make the decision for someone who you know nothing
about? If you don't believe in abortion - don't have one. Simple as that.
:-)
If you want to be useful, start a program where you live to each the
importance of birth-control to teenagers and the poor. Hand out
condoms......
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: What price life ? |
08 Jun 2004 10:29:20 PM |
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"Flower Power" <WomenBeforeZygotes@this.NG> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9c2d0f9a.0406071157.7b4e67@posting.google.com...
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.
** Who and what are the anti-life cartel? Are they the ones who put
zygotes
and fetuses before the welfare of women and teenage girls? You mean
people
are chasing pregnant women around the streets and stores telling them to
abort because having a baby is so outrageously expensive???
How much money would it take to convince her to allow her child
to live?
** So she can dump it into an already overburdened Foster Care System?
Slippery slope.
Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.
** Who tells pregnant poor women to abort? Their minister? Their
mothers?
Their husbands or boyfriends? That's a decision they come to on their own
as they themselves will tell you.
Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if we
started calling actions what they really are.
** Yes, call them abortions because that's what they are.
Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
** What's your excuse to make the decision for someone who you know
nothing
about? If you don't believe in abortion - don't have one. Simple as
that.
:-)
If you want to be useful, start a program where you live to each the
importance of birth-control to teenagers and the poor. Hand out
condoms......
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: What price life ? |
09 Jun 2004 01:45:15 AM |
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"Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote in message
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"Flower Power" <WomenBeforeZygotes@this.NG> wrote in message
** So she can dump it into an already overburdened Foster Care System?
Slippery slope.
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Then what do we do with the millions of unwanted kids we would have women
produce every year? Foster Care is a mess. There are few people looking to
adopt mixed race children and the disabled. Children who grow up in "the
system" don't do anywhere near as well as kids raised in loving homes.
Note; The anti-choicers do NOTHING for BORN children. Their interest stops
at birth.
Since not all will be healthy WHITE male infants - half will be female, what
do we do with them all? Anyone who thinks these women who would abort will
suddenly become good, loving mothers is living in fantasy land.
--
Flower Power...
pro-choice (pr-chois)
adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose
whether or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Pro-Choice
~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~{@
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
-- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: What price life ? |
09 Jun 2004 09:55:43 AM |
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"Flower Power" <Choice@this.NG> wrote in message
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"Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote in message
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"Flower Power" <WomenBeforeZygotes@this.NG> wrote in message
** So she can dump it into an already overburdened Foster Care System?
Slippery slope.
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Then what do we do with the millions of unwanted kids we would have women
produce every year?
Slipery slope.
Foster Care is a mess. There are few people looking to
adopt mixed race children and the disabled. Children who grow up in "the
system" don't do anywhere near as well as kids raised in loving homes.
Note; The anti-choicers do NOTHING for BORN children. Their interest
stops
at birth.
Since not all will be healthy WHITE male infants - half will be female,
what
do we do with them all? Anyone who thinks these women who would abort will
suddenly become good, loving mothers is living in fantasy land.
--
Flower Power...
pro-choice (pr-chois)
adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose
whether or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Pro-Choice
~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~{@
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
-- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "J Young" |
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09 Jun 2004 12:08:05 PM |
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"Flower Power" <Choice@this.NG> wrote in message news:<duWdnTyNqp-fL1vdRVn-sw@heartoftn.net>...
[..........]
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Then what do we do with the millions of unwanted kids we would have women
produce every year? Foster Care is a mess. There are few people looking to
adopt mixed race children and the disabled. Children who grow up in "the
system" don't do anywhere near as well as kids raised in loving homes.
Note; The anti-choicers do NOTHING for BORN children. Their interest stops
at birth.
Since not all will be healthy WHITE male infants - half will be female, what
do we do with them all? Anyone who thinks these women who would abort will
suddenly become good, loving mothers is living in fantasy land.
--
Flower Power...
Teach these sluts something about morals and you will find alot less
unwanted pregnancies.Money? How about asking your boy Gov.Bush to cut
some of his military spending and invest it in programs that will help
women and children.
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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09 Jun 2004 12:46:48 PM |
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"J Young" <youngandmoronicopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Teach these sluts something <IBen's trash dumped>
So much for "Jon's" statement that "the core problem of most of the subjects
covered in these NG's is the lack of decency and morals people exhibit."
<9c2d0f9a.0406082045.569d76f4@posting.google.com>
LC~'lil "Jon" remains as hypocritical as ever.
"Let them hate, so long as they fear."~Lucius Accius
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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09 Jun 2004 07:52:06 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Flower Power" <Choice@this.NG> wrote in message
news:<duWdnTyNqp-fL1vdRVn-sw@heartoftn.net>...
Since not all will be healthy WHITE male infants - half will be female,
what
do we do with them all? Anyone who thinks these women who would abort
will
suddenly become good, loving mothers is living in fantasy land.
--
Flower Power...
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Teach these sluts something about morals and you will find alot less
unwanted pregnancies.
## What sluts and whose morals? What is a *****? Those married women whose
birth-control failed? The 14 year old who was talked into sex with her
older and wiser boyfriend? Feel free to explain yourself in full. I have
time to read a long post. Also explain why you feel teaching the young
about birth control, the LIES men use to get sex, and disease prevention is
wrong and what's wrong with it.
Money? How about asking your boy Gov.Bush to cut
some of his military spending and invest it in programs that will help
women and children.
## He's not my boy. How about you anti-choicers funding programs to teach
the young about birth-control and the consequences of having sex without
protection? How about funding programs to financially support the unwanted
children of married couples whose birth-control methods failed? Please
explain and describe how the anti-choicers will set these programs up in the
near future.
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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10 Jun 2004 07:43:40 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9c2d0f9a.0406090908.79c6482c@posting.google.com...
Teach these sluts something about morals and you will find alot less
unwanted pregnancies.
When we call men sluts, we aren't usually talking about men who are involved
in unwanted pregnancies.
Money? How about asking your boy Gov.Bush to cut
some of his military spending and invest it in programs that will help
women and children.
He's not my boy, but thanks for illustrating the hypocrisy of so-called
"pro-lifers". The more ardently "pro-life" a state is in its laws, the less
aid it gives actual children, mothers, and families. Same is true for us as
a nation.
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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| Title: Re: What price life ? |
09 Jun 2004 12:17:42 PM |
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On 9 Jun 2004 10:08:05 -0700, (J Young) wrote:
"Flower Power" <Choice@this.NG> wrote in message news:<duWdnTyNqp-fL1vdRVn-sw@heartoftn.net>...
[...]
Then what do we do with the millions of unwanted kids we would have women
produce every year? Foster Care is a mess. There are few people looking to
adopt mixed race children and the disabled. Children who grow up in "the
system" don't do anywhere near as well as kids raised in loving homes.
Note; The anti-choicers do NOTHING for BORN children. Their interest stops
at birth.
Since not all will be healthy WHITE male infants - half will be female, what
do we do with them all? Anyone who thinks these women who would abort will
suddenly become good, loving mothers is living in fantasy land.
--
Flower Power...
Teach these sluts...
How decent of you.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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09 Jun 2004 07:56:06 PM |
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"Somesappywriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
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On 9 Jun 2004 10:08:05 -0700, (J Young) wrote:
"Flower Power" <Choice@this.NG> wrote in message
news:<duWdnTyNqp-fL1vdRVn-sw@heartoftn.net>...
[...]
Then what do we do with the millions of unwanted kids we would have
women
produce every year? Foster Care is a mess. There are few people
looking to
adopt mixed race children and the disabled. Children who grow up in
"the
system" don't do anywhere near as well as kids raised in loving homes.
Note; The anti-choicers do NOTHING for BORN children. Their interest
stops
at birth.
Since not all will be healthy WHITE male infants - half will be female,
what
do we do with them all? Anyone who thinks these women who would abort
will
suddenly become good, loving mothers is living in fantasy land.
--
Flower Power...
Teach these sluts...
How decent of you.
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Looks like he considers everything form girls coerced into having sex to
married women whose BC methods failed sluts. This is a dead give away that
he's an old, ultra religious freak still stuck in Victorian times. When
any man calls anything other than a hooker a *****, you know he's still
living in the distant past. He wants to think of decent woman as sexless
automatons created for serfdom and servitude to men.....
--
Flower Power...
pro-choice (pr-chois)
adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose
whether or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Pro-Choice
~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~{@
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
-- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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09 Jun 2004 07:15:11 AM |
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:45:15 -0500, "Flower Power" <Choice@this.NG>
wrote:
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Then what do we do with the millions of unwanted kids we would have women
produce every year? Foster Care is a mess.
No *****.
There are few people looking to
adopt mixed race children and the disabled. Children who grow up in "the
system" don't do anywhere near as well as kids raised in loving homes.
Note; The anti-choicers do NOTHING for BORN children. Their interest stops
at birth.
If these fucktards weren't on such a useless mission to prohibit sex
and sex education, they'd be using the time wisely to find a means of
100% effective and adverse-effects free contraception/birth control
for both reproductive genders - maybe, just maybe, we might be able to
stop abortion.
Since not all will be healthy WHITE male infants - half will be female, what
do we do with them all?
You can thanks society and the creeps who come up with this *****, for
that.
Anyone who thinks these women who would abort will
suddenly become good, loving mothers is living in fantasy land.
Abortion is not a determinant as to whether a woman will become a good
mother or not.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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09 Jun 2004 07:45:49 PM |
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"Somesappywriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
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Anyone who thinks these women who would abort will
suddenly become good, loving mothers is living in fantasy land.
Abortion is not a determinant as to whether a woman will become a good
mother or not.
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I read on an Abortion board some time ago that if women/girls were "made to
have their children" they would love and bond with them as soon as they saw
them - or held them in their arms. *****! That is utter nonsense. I'm
not saying it never happens but it's not the norm. If a women doesn't want
a child, or another child as the case may be, she isn't going to immediately
bond with, and love it on sight. And as for being a good, effective,
compassionate, caring and loving mother - that takes a certain maturity, a
general liking for children and the desire to be a mother,... and mother a
child.
Over my lifetime I have even seen women who wanted their child (or children)
turn against it (them), with bitterness and resentment. They don't realize
what they got themselves into until after it was born. Think of the
unfortunate kids caught in these situations, along with the mother or both
parents. It's 18 years of misery for all involved. I firmly believe all
children deserve and have a right to be WANTED and LOVED by their parents -
or mother in the case of a single women.
--
FP........
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
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Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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09 Jun 2004 09:22:48 PM |
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:45:49 -0500, "Flower Power" <Choice@this.NG>
wrote:
"Somesappywriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:gfvdc0ddr5ik764bjbceu6m0t62hplf9ls@4ax.com...
Anyone who thinks these women who would abort will
suddenly become good, loving mothers is living in fantasy land.
Abortion is not a determinant as to whether a woman will become a good
mother or not.
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I read on an Abortion board some time ago that if women/girls were "made to
have their children" they would love and bond with them as soon as they saw
them - or held them in their arms. *****! That is utter nonsense. I'm
not saying it never happens but it's not the norm. If a women doesn't want
a child, or another child as the case may be, she isn't going to immediately
bond with, and love it on sight. And as for being a good, effective,
compassionate, caring and loving mother - that takes a certain maturity, a
general liking for children and the desire to be a mother,... and mother a
child.
Both children I am raising are wanted and love, and I have had to make
the choice to terminate pregnancy.
Over my lifetime I have even seen women who wanted their child (or children)
turn against it (them), with bitterness and resentment. They don't realize
what they got themselves into until after it was born. Think of the
unfortunate kids caught in these situations, along with the mother or both
parents. It's 18 years of misery for all involved. I firmly believe all
children deserve and have a right to be WANTED and LOVED by their parents -
or mother in the case of a single women.
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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10 Jun 2004 07:38:17 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her child
to live?
How about the cost of raising it, front loaded. Include cost of lost
opportunities. In other words, about half a million dollars should do it.
Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if we
started calling actions what they really are.Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
So, are you prepared to pay your share of $500 billion per year? Or to
offer any one woman half a million on your own? If not, then I guess the
issue of poverty isn't bogus and "society" needs to shut up about abortion.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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07 Jun 2004 04:15:14 PM |
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(J Young) writes:
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her child
to live?Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if we
started calling actions what they really are.Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
Since abortion never was treated as murder when it was banned in this country,
what's YOUR excuse for peddling this latest roadapple,
IBenGettinStompedAtTheTrack?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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14 Jun 2004 10:19:16 PM |
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On 07 Jun 2004 16:15:14 -0500, <szk65a383z1.fsf@fnord.io.com> Nazi Patrick Lee
Humphrey goose stepped <patrick@io.com> and puked:
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) writes:
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her child
to live?Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if we
started calling actions what they really are.Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
Since abortion never was treated as murder when it was banned in this country,
Then how do you explain all the prison sentences given to doctors who did
abortions and got caught? Why were abortions done in secret? What did they
go to prison for? You are one stupid nazi Patrick.
what's YOUR excuse for peddling this latest roadapple,
IBenGettinStompedAtTheTrack?
What's the excuse for your mother not aborting you? The world would be better
off without nazis like you running loose.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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15 Jun 2004 06:08:49 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:19:16 -0500, James Roberts <jimbo12@yahoo.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<1eqsc0p6qivbud392aes2tcp73tdu4d72g@4ax.com> wrote:
On 07 Jun 2004 16:15:14 -0500, <szk65a383z1.fsf@fnord.io.com> Nazi Patrick Lee
Humphrey goose stepped <patrick@io.com> and puked:
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) writes:
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her child
to live?Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if we
started calling actions what they really are.Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
Since abortion never was treated as murder when it was banned in this country,
Then how do you explain all the prison sentences given to doctors who did
abortions and got caught? Why were abortions done in secret? What did they
go to prison for? You are one stupid nazi Patrick.
They were convicted of a crime other than murder. Do you think that
is the only crime?
History of abortion
2600 BC – First recorded recipe for an abortion producing
drug.
1850 BC – Egyptians record recipe for contraceptive
pessaries, one made from crocodile dung.
4th Century AD – St. Augustine lays down Catholic dogma
sanctioning abortion up to 80 days for female fetus and up
to 40 days for male fetus.
13th Century AD - St. Thomas Aquinas states Catholic dogma
justifying sexual intercourse only for procreation.
1564 AD - Italian anatomist, Fallopius, discoverer of
Fallopian tubes, publicizes condoms as anti-venereal disease
devices.
1588 – Pope Sixtus forbids all abortions
1591 - Pope Gregory XIV rescinds Pope Sixtus’ edict against
abortion
1803 - Great Britain makes abortion a misdemeanor
1821 – Connecticut outlaws abortion after quickening, early
abortions are legal
1860’s – All states pass comprehensive, criminal abortion
laws. Most remain until 1973.
1869 – Pope Pius IX forbids all abortions in exchange for
France’s Napoleon III acknowledging papal infallibility.
France’s population experienced a sharp decrease over the
previous 60 years.
1873 – Federal Comstock laws enacted prohibiting mailing or
distribution of information on birth control and abortion
1879 – Margaret Higgins Sanger is born. She led the movement
for birth control in the U.S.
1882 – First "modern" birth control clinic in the world
opens in Holland, sponsored by trade unions.
1913 – Margaret Sanger arrested for violation of Comstock
laws because of feminist birth control columns in, The Woman
Rebel.
1916 - Margaret Sanger & her sister, Ethel Byrne jailed for
dispensing contraceptive information at first American birth
control clinic in Brooklyn, NY.
1924 – First scientific confirmation of women’s ovulatory
and fertility cycle.
1930 – Pope Pius XI affirms Catholic dogma that every act of
sexual intercourse is a sin unless performed with a
reproductive intent.
1942 – Margaret Sanger’s Birth Control Federation of America
becomes Planned Parenthood Federation of America.
1956 – Dr. John Rock (a Catholic) and others developed the
birth control pill. Their research was funded by two women.
1965 – In Griswold v. Connecticut, U.S. Supreme Court rules
Connecticut’s law prohibiting birth control for married
couples violates a newly defined right of marital privacy.
1967 – Then-Governor Ronald Reagan of California (who became
a very anti-choice president) signs the most liberal
abortion law of the times allowing freedom of choice during
the first 20 weeks of pregnancy.
1968 – Pope Paul VI issues encyclical Humanae Vitae
condemning artificial birth control.
1970 – Hawaii, Alaska, and New York repeal criminal abortion
laws allowing abortion in the first trimester.
1972 – Supreme Court finds the right to privacy of unmarried
persons violated by Massachusetts law against distribution
of contraceptives in Eisenstadt v Baird. Justice Brennan in
the majority opinion states that all Americans have a right
to bear and beget children free from government
interference.
Monday Morning, January 22nd, 1973 – The U.S. Supreme Court
in a 7-2 decision, hands down Roe v Wade making a 1st
trimester abortion a private decision between a woman & her
physician. In the 2nd trimester states can put limitations
on abortion with regard to the health of the pregnant woman.
In the 3rd trimester states can make abortion illegal except
to save the life of the woman.
1973 – Indiana passes first call for a Constitutional
Convention to ban abortion.
1970 – Belotti v Baird II decision allows states to require
parental consent for abortion so long as there is a
confidential judicial bypass.
1980 – 19 of the 34 states required have passed calls for a
Constitutional Convention.
1989 – Webster v Reproductive Health Services is handed down
by Supreme Court allowing states to place increased
restrictions on women’s access to abortion.
1991 – Supreme Court upholds Title X gag rule (restriction
on mentioning abortion in federally funded clinics) in Rust
v Sullivan. Congress votes overwhelmingly to overturn gag
rule, but override of Pres. Bush’s veto fails narrowly.
1993 – Newly inaugurated President Clinton reverses several
anti-choice policies of Reagan & Bush administrations
including gag rule.
1993 – Dr. David Gunn is murdered by anti-choice fanatic in
Florida. He is the first of a series of abortion providers
shot in the following years.
1994 – President Clinton signs Freedom of Access to Clinic
Entrances Act (FACE) making it a federal crime to interfere
with the provision of reproductive health care.
1995 – U.S. clinical trials of Mifepristone (RU486 - the
French abortion pill).
1998 – January 22nd is the 25th anniversary of legal
abortion in America. January 29th: A police officer is
killed and a nurse is severely injured in a bomb blast
outside a Birmingham clinic.
2000 – FDA approves Mifeprex (RU 486 - the French abortion
pill) for use in U.S.
(Mizzyandrea
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| User: "Adam H." |
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14 Jun 2004 10:25:47 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:19:16 -0500, James Roberts <jimbo12@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 07 Jun 2004 16:15:14 -0500, <szk65a383z1.fsf@fnord.io.com> Nazi Patrick Lee
Humphrey goose stepped <patrick@io.com> and puked:
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) writes:
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her child
to live?Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if we
started calling actions what they really are.Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
Since abortion never was treated as murder when it was banned in this country,
Then how do you explain all the prison sentences given to doctors who did
abortions and got caught? Why were abortions done in secret? What did they
go to prison for? You are one stupid nazi Patrick.
Oh. I guess you're one of those idiots that thinks that only murder
and nothing else is punished with jail time.
Are you as stupid as you seem to be judging by that sentence above? If
so, please refrain from posting for a day while my tolerance for
stupidity such as the above refreshes.
what's YOUR excuse for peddling this latest roadapple,
IBenGettinStompedAtTheTrack?
What's the excuse for your mother not aborting you? The world would be better
off without nazis like you running loose.
--
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence.
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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15 Jun 2004 06:48:40 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:19:16 -0500, James Roberts <jimbo12@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 07 Jun 2004 16:15:14 -0500, <szk65a383z1.fsf@fnord.io.com> Nazi Patrick Lee
Humphrey goose stepped <patrick@io.com> and puked:
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) writes:
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her child
to live?Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if we
started calling actions what they really are.Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
Since abortion never was treated as murder when it was banned in this country,
Then how do you explain all the prison sentences given to doctors who did
abortions and got caught? Why were abortions done in secret? What did they
go to prison for? You are one stupid nazi Patrick.
Were you born stupid, or did you have special training?
First, what evidence do you have about the number of doctors who were
actually given prison sentences for performing abortions. (Probably
most prison sentences for abortion involved botched ones by
incompetents who were then charged with manslaughter.)
Second, in your world is every prison sentence for murder? That is
what you seem to be saying.
what's YOUR excuse for peddling this latest roadapple,
IBenGettinStompedAtTheTrack?
What's the excuse for your mother not aborting you? The world would be better
off without nazis like you running loose.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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Larry
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| User: "lawtears" |
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08 Jun 2004 04:31:39 AM |
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(J Young) wrote in message news:<9c2d0f9a.0406071157.7b4e67@posting.google.com>...
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her child
to live?Is there a price?
Yes. Here in the UK, it was costed at some point in late 80s/early
90s (I forget precisly when) and it was recosted recently. Not
having kids, it's not too relevant for me now, but memory suggests
that the figure put forward was 100,000-120,000 GBP. If you are
interested, you can always google the uk for the info. (There
was a breakdown)
If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if we
started calling actions what they really are.Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
Or a damn good reason. I'm looking forward to the 100 grand I'm
saving/spending in the next 18 years.
Lawtears
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: What price life ? |
08 Jun 2004 06:21:02 AM |
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(J Young) wrote in news:9c2d0f9a.0406071157.7b4e67
@posting.google.com:
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.
really? would you post references to some examples of that. i've never seen
it and i have been in these newsgroups since they were created.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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09 Jun 2004 07:36:05 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95024AC5E75FCkeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) wrote in news:9c2d0f9a.0406071157.7b4e67
@posting.google.com:
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.
really? would you post references to some examples of that. i've never
seen
it and i have been in these newsgroups since they were created.
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I never even heard of anyone telling a poor women she SHOULD abort because
she's too broke to have a baby. However, if she makes that decision on her
own, she should have the choice to abort and not be made to feel guilty by
the fundies out there.
--
FP...
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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09 Jun 2004 04:23:10 PM |
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(J Young) wrote...
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman
to abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her
child to live?Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if
we started calling actions what they really are.Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
IIRC, according to U.S. statistics compiled roughly 10 years ago, it
cost roughly $200,000 to raise a child from cradle through high school
graduation. I'm sure it is significantly higher now, mostly because
of higher health care and education costs. With a one-time grant of,
say, $400,000 for each child, a woman can take care of her medical
expenses, buy a nice home for her family and even set up an endowment
to pay for day care and all the other expenses associated with raising
children.
I'd bet that an offer of $400,000 would persuade a pregnant woman to
walk away from her abortion appointment and continue her pregnancy,
thereby SAVING A LIFE! And $400,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
saving lives, isn't it?
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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09 Jun 2004 08:03:59 PM |
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"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6ed74dfa.0406091323.755882b2@posting.google.com...
IIRC, according to U.S. statistics compiled roughly 10 years ago, it
cost roughly $200,000 to raise a child from cradle through high school
graduation. I'm sure it is significantly higher now, mostly because
of higher health care and education costs. With a one-time grant of,
say, $400,000 for each child, a woman can take care of her medical
expenses, buy a nice home for her family
** A decent home in any USA city now runs around $300,000! In the rural
areas a small 2 or 3 bedroom house can run around $90,000+. That would
take a huge chunk of the money right there - then you have the taxes,
insurance, upkeep etc.
and even set up an endowment
to pay for day care and all the other expenses associated with raising
children.
** Not in the USA. Childcare alone for a working mom can run $65 to $80 a
week and more, depending where she lives.
I'd bet that an offer of $400,000 would persuade a pregnant woman to
walk away from her abortion appointment and continue her pregnancy,
** What would prevent an unstable women, a drugger, a drinker or an
immature young lady from blowing it all and dumping the unwanted child on
the state? Or buying herself a nice home and putting the unwanted infant
in foster care?
thereby SAVING A LIFE! And $400,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
saving lives, isn't it?
** Considering what's going down the drain in Iraq - yes. But OTOH, how
would be prevent women/girls from purposely getting pregnant just to get the
$400,000? They'd all be lining up to collect that money like they now line
up at the welfare offices.
--
Flower Power...
pro-choice (pr-chois)
adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose
whether or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Pro-Choice
~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~{@
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
-- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: What price life ? |
09 Jun 2004 11:32:12 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0406091323.755882b2@posting.google.com>...
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) wrote...
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman
to abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her
child to live?Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if
we started calling actions what they really are.Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
IIRC, according to U.S. statistics compiled roughly 10 years ago, it
cost roughly $200,000 to raise a child from cradle through high school
graduation. I'm sure it is significantly higher now, mostly because
of higher health care and education costs. With a one-time grant of,
say, $400,000 for each child, a woman can take care of her medical
expenses, buy a nice home for her family and even set up an endowment
to pay for day care and all the other expenses associated with raising
children.
I'd bet that an offer of $400,000 would persuade a pregnant woman to
walk away from her abortion appointment and continue her pregnancy,
thereby SAVING A LIFE! And $400,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
saving lives, isn't it?
You bet your ***** it is.Start by eliminating foreign aid.Need more?Cut
NASA.Just those 2 programs alone can contribute to saving many
lives.If the lazy woman gets off her behind and gets a job,you cut
taxpayer expense considerably.Find her deadbeat husband(which is the
real reason so many of these males want you to kill your babies)and
make him pay support.There is plenty of funds out there.What's needed
is the will,as a society,to get those funds where they belong.Killing
is not a solution.
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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| Title: Re: What price life ? |
10 Jun 2004 07:56:16 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9c2d0f9a.0406092032.3ddca706@posting.google.com...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote in message
news:<6ed74dfa.0406091323.755882b2@posting.google.com>...
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) wrote...
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman
to abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her
child to live?Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.
I'd bet that an offer of $400,000 would persuade a pregnant woman to
walk away from her abortion appointment and continue her pregnancy,
thereby SAVING A LIFE! And $400,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
saving lives, isn't it?
You bet your ***** it is.Start by eliminating foreign aid.Need more?Cut
NASA.Just those 2 programs alone can contribute to saving many
lives.
Sure, but first you'd have to put that money into women's hands and second
it would amount to about $500 billion to prevent every abortion. (Maybe a
bit less since some women have more than one abortion, and they wouldn't
necessarily need to buy a new house simply because they were having another
child.)
Incidentally, NASA gets about $15 billion each year and so does foreign aid.
You still need to cut about $470 billion from the budget and tranfer it
directly to women considering abortion.
If the lazy woman gets off her behind and gets a job,you cut
taxpayer expense considerably.
Oh, no no no no. No moving the goalposts. Let me quote one Jon Young: "One
of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to abort her
child is the financial burden placed on the 'poor' mother. How much money
would it take to convince her to allow her child to live? Is there a price?
If not, than [sic] the issue of poverty is bogus."
If *she's* having to come up with "the price" *plus* do all the work of
gestating, bearing, and raising the child, then I guess the issue of price
is what's bogus.
Find her deadbeat husband(which is the
real reason so many of these males want you to kill your babies)and
make him pay support.There is plenty of funds out there.What's needed
is the will,as a society,to get those funds where they belong.
Our current legiswhores are not willing to help out existing babies,
children, mothers, and families. What on earth makes you think they will
divert their pork to fetuses???
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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10 Jun 2004 12:09:17 PM |
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(J Young) wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
(J Young) wrote...
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman
to abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her
child to live?Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if
we started calling actions what they really are.Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
IIRC, according to U.S. statistics compiled roughly 10 years ago, it
cost roughly $200,000 to raise a child from cradle through high school
graduation. I'm sure it is significantly higher now, mostly because
of higher health care and education costs. With a one-time grant of,
say, $400,000 for each child, a woman can take care of her medical
expenses, buy a nice home for her family and even set up an endowment
to pay for day care and all the other expenses associated with raising
children.
I'd bet that an offer of $400,000 would persuade a pregnant woman to
walk away from her abortion appointment and continue her pregnancy,
thereby SAVING A LIFE! And $400,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
saving lives, isn't it?
You bet your ***** it is.Start by eliminating foreign aid.Need more?Cut
NASA.Just those 2 programs alone can contribute to saving many
lives.If the lazy woman gets off her behind and gets a job,you cut
taxpayer expense considerably.Find her deadbeat husband(which is the
real reason so many of these males want you to kill your babies)and
make him pay support.There is plenty of funds out there.What's needed
is the will,as a society,to get those funds where they belong.Killing
is not a solution.
The irony here is that we've made the spending cuts, we've set up
processes for getting deadbeat fathers to support their kids, and many
mothers work outside the home. And yet nearly half of all women will
have at least one abortion some time during their reproductive years.
Think about why that might be.
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: What price life ? |
10 Jun 2004 11:17:36 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0406100909.2f0a8ccb@posting.google.com>...
[..........]
The irony here is that we've made the spending cuts, we've set up
processes for getting deadbeat fathers to support their kids, and many
mothers work outside the home. And yet nearly half of all women will
have at least one abortion some time during their reproductive years.
Think about why that might be.
Morals;or lack of them.
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| User: "Bob SD" |
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11 Jun 2004 10:15:35 AM |
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(J Young) wrote in
news:9c2d0f9a.0406102017.406a6281@posting.google.com:
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote in message
news:<6ed74dfa.0406100909.2f0a8ccb@posting.google.com>...
[..........]
The irony here is that we've made the spending cuts, we've set up
processes for getting deadbeat fathers to support their kids, and
many mothers work outside the home. And yet nearly half of all women
will have at least one abortion some time during their reproductive
years. Think about why that might be.
Morals;or lack of them.
Speaking about yourself?
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: What price life ? |
11 Jun 2004 11:10:16 AM |
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(J Young) wrote in message news:<9c2d0f9a.0406102017.406a6281@posting.google.com>...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0406100909.2f0a8ccb@posting.google.com>...
[..........]
The irony here is that we've made the spending cuts, we've set up
processes for getting deadbeat fathers to support their kids, and many
mothers work outside the home. And yet nearly half of all women will
have at least one abortion some time during their reproductive years.
Think about why that might be.
Morals;or lack of them.
And what makes you think that they are lacking in morals? If their
morals are different than yours, but that does not make their morals
incoorect or lacking, just different. And why should anyone accept
your opinion on what is and is not morals?
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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07 Jun 2004 05:05:49 PM |
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In article <9c2d0f9a.0406071157.7b4e67@posting.google.com>,
(J Young) wrote:
One of the arguments put foward by the anti-life cartel for a woman to
abort her child is the financial burden placed on the "poor"
mother.How much money would it take to convince her to allow her child
to live?Is there a price? If not,than the issue of poverty is
bogus.Perhaps society would be less prone to kill it's children if we
started calling actions what they really are.Murder is
murder.Injecting poverty as an excuse is just that;an excuse.
The only "anti-life cartel that exists is the one that's obviously in
your vivid imagination. If there is a price, who is willing to pay it?
Even if there is a price (its called adoption), it is still not an
option that avoids the truly horrendous effects of pregnancy on some
women.
Are you wlling to foot the bill for all the unwanted pregnancies for
those women who might be willing to accept the money? Do you honestly
think that raising a child from birth until adulthood costs nothing? Do
you really think that cost comes only in terms of money, and not
emotional drain and concern for the offspring? You truly must live in a
fantasy world.
By the way, how many orphaned children do you help care for? Its easy to
talk, but putting talk into action is an entirely different matter.
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