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"Jon Young" |
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09 Apr 2004 05:49:49 PM |
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When life really begins. |
The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious fanatics.Some
of us are just people who like life.
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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09 Apr 2004 06:52:43 PM |
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"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious fanatics.Some
of us are just people who like life.
Well, Jon, I was talking with IBen Getiner-I think you know him-and he
thinks abortion is A-OK in the case of blacks, Muslims, and homosexuals. I
disagreed. I believe the right to an abortion should be the choice of the
pregnant woman, and no one else, regardless of race or creed. What do you
think?
Yours (and IBen's) truly,
LC
"Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the fine line between sanity and
madness gotten finer?"~George Price
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| User: "Iain" |
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19 Apr 2004 09:16:06 AM |
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(Jon Young) wrote in message news:<25e1e54f.0404091449.37a9fffe@posting.google.com>...
The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious fanatics.Some
of us are just people who like life.
By your logic, picking daffodils is murder.
~Iain
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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21 Apr 2004 12:33:07 AM |
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That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose
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No, we defend a woman's right to choose because she is a human being and as
such, no one and nothing has the right to use her reproductive organs against
her will.........if no human being has that right than no 'pre' human being
will have it either.
Besides.......this is an 8 week
abortion.......http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
see anything worth getting emotional over in that?
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| User: "Gnos Theos" |
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19 Apr 2004 01:55:45 AM |
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(Jon Young) wrote in message news:<25e1e54f.0404091449.37a9fffe@posting.google.com>...
The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious fanatics.Some
of us are just people who like life.
Let me help you out. People who do wrong already know they are
doing wrong (unless their conscience has been seared). You are
approching this from the wrong point of view. You need to approach
it from the woman who is having the abortion's point of view. Let
us take a hypothetical case:
1. Woman has promiscuous sex with man.
2. Due to lack of contraception or failure (improper use is the
most likely cause as most are 95+% effective, except condoms) she
becomes pregnant.
3. Boyfriend, relatives, friends, (or she) pressure/convince her
(self) to have an abortion.
Who does this really benefit?
1. Boyfreind - no need to pay child support - big cash wind fall for
him, and marry the girl, no way. He simply used her for sex, and now
is free, and clear to not worry about any ***** children running
around.
2. Relatives don't have tho bare the shame of admitting their daughter
is a ***** for 9 months plus life time of child.
3. Friends don't lose their friend to bottle feedings, and also get
to sleep better at night knowing your just as bad as them if they
have had one.
4. The most disgusting use of abortion is cover up incest. Without
abortion
it is obvious that the girl is pregnant, and it is more likely that
the
perpetrator will get caught. With abortion being legal on demand, it
is
much less likely for child molesters to be caught. The most damning
proof
of incest would be a genetic test on the baby. With the baby gone, it
is
more unlikely that the perpetrator will be convicted.
The woman risks it all to suffer guilt, excruciating pain, and does
not get
the reward of raising her child. You may argue that unwed mothers are
at the
lowest rung for economic prosperity, but why not just be abstinate?
Their
are other ways of acheiving pleasure without sex (not that I want to
open
that can of worms).
The problem isn't abortion, but that people view raising a child as a
burden
to be gotten rid of. When the hearts, and minds of people change, then
we
will no longer have abortion, not when laws are changed. We have laws
against
speeding, but how many obey them? I do, but I am a rare exception.
People
should not have them because they are unsafe, unnecessary, and harmful
to
women.
Children are a joy to raise. If we all realised this one fact, no one
would
consider an abortion. Arguing about dry facts that only bafoons would
not know
is not going to change anyone's heart (mind). Abortionists know that
abortion
is murder of the worst sort, a completely innocent baby. That is why
they justify it with nonsense about (legal) life beginning at birth,
that way it is
not "murder", since(legally) they weren't "alive". It is just a double
talk
way to claim that they have done nothing wrong.
Jesus looked past what people said, and got to what was really in
their heart,
and that is called discernment. Ask God to give you discernment, for
He is
always ready to give his children spiritual gifts abundantly. (John 3,
Matthew 7).
Abortion is bad for women.
http://www.feministsforlife.org/
Feminists should be leading the charge to ban abortion.
Hi, when is your fetus due? No sane rational person would be so crude
to offend
the mother by saying such a thing. We always say, "when is your BABY
due?"
Or worse yet, "When is your lump of tissue due?" They will not change
until
they offend themselves with their own brutality.
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion1.htm
You will notice that the pictures show BABIES with fully developed
arms, legs,
and heads. They are not just lumps of tissue. They are nearly born
infants.
http://www.ramahinternational.org
http://www.prolifeinfo.com/nat110.html
http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V8/n2/finland.html
http://www.christianity.com/CC/article/0,,PTID4211%7CCHID102755%7CCIID293359,00.html
http://www.optionline.org/considering.html
http://www.lifeadvocate.org/11_98/feature5.htm
http://www.lektrik.com/steir/dp062a.htm
http://www.prolife.com/ABORT12.html
http://www.legalactionforwomen.org/abortionmill.html
http://www.roevwade.org/rvw3.html
http://usconservatives.about.com/cs/caabortiondeaths/
http://www.pregnantpause.org/safe/sandram.htm
http://www.abortioninformationcenter.org/warning.htm
http://www.physiciansforlife.org/archived_dangers_of_abortion.htm
http://www.abortionviolence.com/VIOL-TN.HTM
http://www.operationrescue.org/news/damon.asp
http://www.gnostheos.org
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| User: "Mylon" |
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20 Apr 2004 12:24:10 AM |
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"Gnos Theos" <spam@gnostheos.org> wrote in message
news:60586629.0404182255.5fe6e607@posting.google.com...
The problem isn't abortion, but that people view raising a child as a
burden
to be gotten rid of. When the hearts, and minds of people change, then
we
will no longer have abortion, not when laws are changed. We have laws
against
speeding, but how many obey them? I do, but I am a rare exception.
People
should not have them because they are unsafe, unnecessary, and harmful
to
women.
Except children make plans difficult. Plans like college, investment,
starting a business. There is a reason the population growth rate of the US
has slowed. In less developed countries, children are useful because they
are labor. In the US, there is little work to be done at home and children
cannot work until they are 16. Only people who are prepared for a child can
properly take care of one. People who are not tend to fall into poverty.
My sister was not ready for her child when she was 18. She dropped out of
high school, she had no hope of going through college or something anything
with her life but raising a kid. She has problems maintaining a job because
of the dynamic problems of caring for a child ("Can't come in because your
kid is sick again? Fine don't come in at all, then."), and has various
other problems. She's since learned her lesson and has had 2 abortions
since. Telling people to abstain is like telling a rock not to fall when
dropped. People _will_ have sex, and unfotunately in developed countries
birth rate would outstrip our ability to support these births, thus we rely
on abortions when contraceptives fail.
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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20 Apr 2004 11:49:26 PM |
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thus we rely
on abortions when contraceptives fail.
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Of course
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| User: "EvilZak" |
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20 Apr 2004 08:47:40 AM |
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(Gnos Theos) wrote in message news:<60586629.0404182255.5fe6e607@posting.google.com>...
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) wrote in message news:<25e1e54f.0404091449.37a9fffe@posting.google.com>...
1. Woman has promiscuous sex with man.
YOu know, you can get pregnant from having sex justonce. You can get
pregnant due to contraceptive failure when you are in a committed
relationship. Pregnancy does not depend on who you're having sex with,
and why you're doing it.
2. Due to lack of contraception or failure (improper use is the
most likely cause as most are 95+% effective, except condoms) she
becomes pregnant.
3. Boyfriend, relatives, friends, (or she) pressure/convince her
(self) to have an abortion.
Who does this really benefit?
Well, how about the WOMAN who is pregnant and does not want to
continue the pregnancy.
You may argue that unwed mothers are
at the
lowest rung for economic prosperity, but why not just be abstinate?
WHy not campaign against slave wages? WHy not put some energy into
campaigining for more subsidised childcare, tax concessions for
companies that allow flexible working hours and/or set up creches for
workers? Economics are indeed a factor in choosing abortion sometimes:
this is because poverty hits women harder.
Their
are other ways of acheiving pleasure without sex (not that I want to
open
that can of worms).
Oral sex, anal sex and fetishism, including mutual masturbation, are
all ways of achieving sexual pleasure with a much lower risk of
pregnancy than vaginal intercourse. They're also good fun and shouldbe
encouraged.
The problem isn't abortion, but that people view raising a child as a
burden
to be gotten rid of. When the hearts, and minds of people change, then
we
will no longer have abortion, not when laws are changed.
WHen we have a social structure that does not assume that work for an
employer should take up the bulk of one's adult life, that raising
children is a vital wonderful job that can only be done by somebody
who is not paid any wages, whjen people are freer to structure their
lives how they see fit... and when we have safe, effective, accessible
contraception for everyone, then we will have very few abortions -
because abortions will always be necessary in the case of medical
emergency.
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| User: "Charles & Mambo" |
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19 Apr 2004 11:00:00 PM |
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Gnos Theos wrote:
4. The most disgusting use of abortion is cover up incest. Without
abortion
it is obvious that the girl is pregnant, and it is more likely that
the
perpetrator will get caught. With abortion being legal on demand, it
is
much less likely for child molesters to be caught. The most damning
proof
of incest would be a genetic test on the baby. With the baby gone, it
is
more unlikely that the perpetrator will be convicted.
I've seen stupid ***** justifying opposing abortion, but this idiocy takes
the cake.
This is definitely the greatest ***** of the decade for me.
Congratulations, moron.
--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood
Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House
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| User: "EvilZak" |
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17 Apr 2004 06:42:14 PM |
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(Jon Young) wrote in message news:<25e1e54f.0404091449.37a9fffe@posting.google.com>...
The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious fanatics.Some
of us are just people who like life.
SO what, exactly, are you and your fellow idiots doing about the
millions of pregnacies that fail, after conception, to implant
properly in the womb, to form into embryos that will survive even to
the twelfth week of pregnancy, let alone survie to birth. Do you want
funerals held for them? do you want funerals held for every sperm
ejaculated into an encrusted sock? Life and personhood begin at birth.
Women matter much more than fetuses or potential fetuses.
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| User: "Iain" |
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19 Apr 2004 09:18:13 AM |
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(EvilZak) wrote in message news:<1e57ec88.0404171542.72d299eb@posting.google.com>...
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) wrote in message news:<25e1e54f.0404091449.37a9fffe@posting.google.com>...
The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious fanatics.Some
of us are just people who like life.
SO what, exactly, are you and your fellow idiots doing about the
millions of pregnacies that fail, after conception, to implant
properly in the womb, to form into embryos that will survive even to
the twelfth week of pregnancy, let alone survie to birth. Do you want
funerals held for them? do you want funerals held for every sperm
ejaculated into an encrusted sock? Life and personhood begin at birth.
Women matter much more than fetuses or potential fetuses.
Isn't the word "feti"?
~Iain
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| User: "Mustardismypal" |
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09 Apr 2004 06:39:58 PM |
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From: (Jon Young)
The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious
The premise that you have assumed here in the first part of your statement is
simply not true.Nobody denies about when life begins.It is human life in a very
RUDEMENTARY form.There is a zygote,then a fetus.There is no baby until birth.As
for your last statement, well ProChoicers like myself tend to prefer quality
of life over quantity.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Apr 2004 11:04:46 PM |
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Jon Young <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote:
The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.
The premise of liberty advocates is that a woman's body does not
belong to you, the state, or the fetus, and you have no right to
command her servitude. She is not your slave.
That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.
An obvious lie since sperm and egg must be alive before conception.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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10 Apr 2004 06:59:26 AM |
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On 9 Apr 2004 15:49:49 -0700, (Jon Young) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<25e1e54f.0404091449.37a9fffe@posting.google.com> wrote:
The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious fanatics.Some
of us are just people who like life.
No matter what else is argued or discussed one basic fact
always remains:
To force a woman to complete her pregnancy and give birth
against her will is demanding she provides her body and the
resources of her body against her will for the benefit of
what will become another person. This is no different from
demanding anyone provide an organ such as a kidney or other
resources such as blood or bone marrow for the benefit of
another whether the donor wishes to do so or not.
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| User: "RedWych" |
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09 Apr 2004 08:15:55 PM |
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The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious fanatics.Some
of us are just people who like life.
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Youre full of *****. You dont 'like life' - you just have the arrogant
misogynistic delusion that the only thing women are 'really' good for is
breeding and if she is pregnant then nothing else is more important than her
continuing the pregnancy. What SHE thinks doesnt matter. YOUVE decided it.
Youre a fucking idiot. Life doesnt 'begin' with conception. The egg and sperm
are alive before they ever meet. And most fertilized eggs never even implant.
There is nothing magical about it. Its simple biology. And if the woman
doesnt want to continue a pregnancy then she has every right to end it and your
ignorance and stupidity do not impact her decision nor should they. What the
woman has removed from her uterus is a mindless collection of nonviable tissue
- this is true until so late in gestation as to make abortion a moot point.
For some demented ***** to try to pretend this mindless tissue some how
'justfies' robbing her of her right to bodily autonomy is simple minded idiocy.
Youre a fucking moron.
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| User: "Warnock" |
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17 Apr 2004 08:01:27 AM |
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"RedWych" <redwych@aol.com> wrote in message
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The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious fanatics.Some
of us are just people who like life.
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Youre full of *****. You dont 'like life' - you just have the arrogant
misogynistic delusion that the only thing women are 'really' good for is
breeding and if she is pregnant then nothing else is more important than
her
continuing the pregnancy. What SHE thinks doesnt matter. YOUVE decided
it.
Youre a fucking idiot.
*** *** Woman are good as companions, friends and family - a lot more than
just sex. However, once she is pregnant, it is no longer her sole
prerogitive to take any action that may harm the foetus, about to become a
treasured family member! Men have equal rights, and must exercise them!
Life doesnt 'begin' with conception. The egg and sperm
are alive before they ever meet. And most fertilized eggs never even
implant.
There is nothing magical about it. Its simple biology.
*** *** Life, or sacred life, begins when these two implant and start
growing in their natural enviroment - a womb!
And if the woman
doesnt want to continue a pregnancy then she has every right to end it and
your
ignorance and stupidity do not impact her decision nor should they. What
the
woman has removed from her uterus is a mindless collection of nonviable
tissue
- this is true until so late in gestation as to make abortion a moot
point.
For some demented ***** to try to pretend this mindless tissue some how
'justfies' robbing her of her right to bodily autonomy is simple minded
idiocy.
Youre a fucking moron.
*** *** This 'mindless collection of non-viable tissue', avoids the
abortionist's tools to the last! So it can't be mindless! After just three
weeks, its humanoid in shape!
Just think of the HORROR of going to foetus abattoir (AKA: Abortion
Clinics) and allowing a stranger to rip your offspring out, limb by limb,
blood everywhere!!
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**** The fact that the greatest scientists, to their utter dismay, can't
breath life into a dead body or create a perfect animal and breath life into
it - is PROOF of a higher intelligence! ****
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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| User: "The Zools" |
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18 Apr 2004 06:22:29 PM |
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"Warnock" <warnnock@pop.co.za> wrote in message
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*** *** Woman are good as companions, friends and family - a lot more than
just sex. However, once she is pregnant, it is no longer her sole
prerogitive to take any action that may harm the foetus, about to become a
treasured family member!
* How do you KNOW the unwanted baby would become a treasured family member?
Many unwanted infants are neglected, abused and even killed by their
parents. What planet are you on?
Men have equal rights, and must exercise them!
* Then wear a condom or keep you pants zipped.
*** *** Life, or sacred life, begins when these two implant and start
growing in their natural enviroment - a womb!
* Only if you believe such malarkey. Why force your opinions on someone
else?
Just think of the HORROR of going to foetus abattoir (AKA: Abortion
Clinics) and allowing a stranger to rip your offspring out, limb by limb,
blood everywhere!!
* And YOU stood there and..... helped? Watched?
The Zools
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| User: "EvilZak" |
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17 Apr 2004 06:53:11 PM |
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"Warnock" <warnnock@pop.co.za> wrote in message news:<c5rtv9$abf$5@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>...
"RedWych" <redwych@aol.com> wrote in message
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*** *** Woman are good as companions, friends and family - a lot more than
just sex.
Oh, gee, (blush, giggle) thank you so much! How could I possibly bear
to remind you that I', actually a human being, with rights? How could
any woman possibly have sex with you unless you were paying her?
However, once she is pregnant, it is no longer her sole
prerogitive to take any action that may harm the foetus, about to become a
treasured family member! Men have equal rights, and must exercise them!
Really? Oh, gee? so if I get pregnant when Mr Man has assured me that
I won't, because he doesn't want me to, but I have to have sex with
him because he's a Man and has all these Needs, that the pregnancy can
be safely and painlessly removed from my body and implanted into his
to be carried to term? Oh wow, isn;t medical sceince wonderful? Cos
that;s the only way men could possibly have any rights about what
happens to wa woman's body? Heee hhheee wot a wonderful world...
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| User: "Warnock" |
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20 Apr 2004 08:24:54 AM |
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"EvilZak" <zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk> wrote in message
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*** *** Woman are good as companions, friends and family - a lot more
than
just sex.
Oh, gee, (blush, giggle) thank you so much! How could I possibly bear
to remind you that I', actually a human being, with rights? How could
any woman possibly have sex with you unless you were paying her?
However, once she is pregnant, it is no longer her sole
prerogitive to take any action that may harm the foetus, about to become
a
treasured family member! Men have equal rights, and must exercise them!
Really? Oh, gee? so if I get pregnant when Mr Man has assured me that
I won't, because he doesn't want me to, but I have to have sex with
him because he's a Man and has all these Needs, that the pregnancy can
be safely and painlessly removed from my body and implanted into his
to be carried to term? Oh wow, isn;t medical sceince wonderful? Cos
that;s the only way men could possibly have any rights about what
happens to wa woman's body? Heee hhheee wot a wonderful world...
*** *** If I give you something of mine to look after, and you agree to do
that for 9 months - morally, you need to keep to the agreement! At the very
least, I would want an equal say about the outcome of so precious a cargo -
as a foetus!
The man is just as emotionally involved as she is, maybe more!
Also, while she is having 'morning sickness', he is out working, toiling to
feed the family!
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**** The fact that the greatest scientists, to their utter dismay, can't
breath life into a dead body or create a perfect animal and breath life into
it - is PROOF of a higher intelligence! ****
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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| User: "junegill" |
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20 Apr 2004 08:15:38 PM |
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"Warnock" <warnnock@pop.co.za> wrote in message
news:c63ti5$r7l$7@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
"EvilZak" <zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1e57ec88.0404171553.15b50b19@posting.google.com...
*** *** Woman are good as companions, friends and family - a lot more
than
just sex.
Oh, gee, (blush, giggle) thank you so much! How could I possibly bear
to remind you that I', actually a human being, with rights? How could
any woman possibly have sex with you unless you were paying her?
However, once she is pregnant, it is no longer her sole
prerogitive to take any action that may harm the foetus, about to
become
a
treasured family member! Men have equal rights, and must exercise
them!
Really? Oh, gee? so if I get pregnant when Mr Man has assured me that
I won't, because he doesn't want me to, but I have to have sex with
him because he's a Man and has all these Needs, that the pregnancy can
be safely and painlessly removed from my body and implanted into his
to be carried to term? Oh wow, isn;t medical sceince wonderful? Cos
that;s the only way men could possibly have any rights about what
happens to wa woman's body? Heee hhheee wot a wonderful world...
*** *** If I give you something of mine to look after, and you agree to
do
that for 9 months - morally, you need to keep to the agreement!
The whole point is that a woman who wishes to abort did _not_ agree to look
after it for 9 months. What makes you think that _your_ sperm has any value
anyway?
At the very
least, I would want an equal say about the outcome of so precious a
cargo -
as a foetus!
In order to have an equal say, you'd need to have your body used in the same
way as the woman.
The man is just as emotionally involved as she is, maybe more!
Oh, play me hearts and flowers.
Also, while she is having 'morning sickness', he is out working, toiling
to
feed the family!
And she's at home reading the glossies and eating chocolates? Sure. Women
who work, which is the vast majority of them, are expected to carry on
working until the last few weeks of pregnancy.
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**** The fact that the greatest scientists, to their utter dismay, can't
breath life into a dead body
But they have ... as I've told you before: all those people who have died
for some minutes and have been brought back to life.
or create a perfect animal and breath life into
it - is PROOF of a higher intelligence! ****
So when scientists do create a living animal - and they will, it's only a
matter of time - that's your proof gone for the chop, eh?
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
What are you wearing? No, I'm not embarking on a sex chat with you - I'm
just wondering what the penalty will be for you if your clothes happen to be
composed of different fibres (quick, look at the labels to see whether that
cotton has some evil polyester with it):
Leviticus 19:19 Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.
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June G
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| User: "EvilZak" |
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| Title: Re: When life really begins. |
21 Apr 2004 03:18:24 AM |
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"Warnock" <warnnock@pop.co.za> wrote in message news:<c63ti5$r7l$7@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>...
"EvilZak" <zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1e57ec88.0404171553.15b50b19@posting.google.com...
*** *** If I give you something of mine to look after, and you agree to do
that for 9 months - morally, you need to keep to the agreement! At the very
least, I would want an equal say about the outcome of so precious a cargo -
as a foetus!
Agreeing to sex does not automatically equate to agreeing to
pregnancy. Not every act of sexual intercourse results in a pregnancy.
As you might one day find out, if you ever grow up enough to get laid.
The man is just as emotionally involved as she is, maybe more!
AN assumption based on nothing. Men do not want every sexual act to
result in a pregnancy any more than women do, and many men will
advocate a woman terminating her pregnancy against her own wishes.
THey have no more right to make a woman choose termination than they
have to stop her choosing termination.
Also, while she is having 'morning sickness', he is out working, toiling to
feed the family!
Morning sickness only affects 50% of pregnancies (approximately.
Look,. I haven't got it, anyway...) and not all men who are fertile
have jobs or indeed any desire to work. SO again, you're stating an
assumption as a fact.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: When life really begins. |
20 Apr 2004 03:04:03 PM |
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In article <c63ti5$r7l$7@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>, Warnock says...
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*** *** If I give you something of mine to look after, and you agree to do
that for 9 months - morally, you need to keep to the agreement! At the very
least, I would want an equal say about the outcome of so precious a cargo -
as a foetus!
The man is just as emotionally involved as she is, maybe more!
Also, while she is having 'morning sickness', he is out working, toiling to
feed the family!
I see the screaming nut job has returned.
Hey, *****. I had morning sickness AND was out toiling to feed my family, so
kiss off.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: When life really begins. |
17 Apr 2004 01:51:19 PM |
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Warnock wrote:
"RedWych" <redwych@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040409211555.17588.00000071@mb-m20.aol.com...
The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious fanatics.Some
of us are just people who like life.
***
Youre full of *****. You dont 'like life' - you just have the arrogant
misogynistic delusion that the only thing women are 'really' good for is
breeding and if she is pregnant then nothing else is more important than
her
continuing the pregnancy. What SHE thinks doesnt matter. YOUVE decided
it.
Youre a fucking idiot.
*** *** Woman are good as companions, friends and family - a lot more than
just sex. However, once she is pregnant, it is no longer her sole
prerogitive to take any action that may harm the foetus, about to become a
treasured family member! Men have equal rights, and must exercise them!
Life doesnt 'begin' with conception. The egg and sperm
are alive before they ever meet. And most fertilized eggs never even
implant.
There is nothing magical about it. Its simple biology.
*** *** Life, or sacred life, begins when these two implant and start
growing in their natural enviroment - a womb!
And if the woman
doesnt want to continue a pregnancy then she has every right to end it and
your
ignorance and stupidity do not impact her decision nor should they. What
the
woman has removed from her uterus is a mindless collection of nonviable
tissue
- this is true until so late in gestation as to make abortion a moot
point.
For some demented ***** to try to pretend this mindless tissue some how
'justfies' robbing her of her right to bodily autonomy is simple minded
idiocy.
Youre a fucking moron.
*** *** This 'mindless collection of non-viable tissue', avoids the
abortionist's tools to the last! So it can't be mindless! After just three
weeks, its humanoid in shape!
So? The woman is completely human, and it is an intruder in her body.
Just think of the HORROR of going to foetus abattoir (AKA: Abortion
Clinics) and allowing a stranger to rip your offspring out, limb by limb,
blood everywhere!!
Who does that blood belong to, Warnock? I'll give you a hint: it isn't
the fetus.
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**** The fact that the greatest scientists, to their utter dismay, can't
breath life into a dead body or create a perfect animal and breath life into
it - is PROOF of a higher intelligence! ****
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
--
--sexkitten--"There was a time when religion ruled the
world. It was known as The Dark Ages."
[Ruth Hurmence Green]
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| User: "Beeracuda" |
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| Title: Re: When life really begins. |
09 Apr 2004 09:15:00 PM |
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See, that's the problem with these so called "pro-lifers". They're so damn
arrogant, and are so entrenched up on their high horses, yet they'll
probably be the last people in the world who would be willing to adopt a
child.
I guess some people just have nothing better to do with their lives than to
get involved in other peoples' lives. I guess somehow it makes them feel
better about themselves.
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| User: "Warnock" |
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| Title: Re: When life really begins. |
17 Apr 2004 08:03:33 AM |
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"Beeracuda" <brucecampeggi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:sJOdneNr-Zg1xerdRVn-uw@comcast.com...
See, that's the problem with these so called "pro-lifers". They're so
damn
arrogant, and are so entrenched up on their high horses, yet they'll
probably be the last people in the world who would be willing to adopt a
child.
I guess some people just have nothing better to do with their lives than
to
get involved in other peoples' lives. I guess somehow it makes them feel
better about themselves.
*** *** Give or take a few moral standards!
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**** The fact that the greatest scientists, to their utter dismay, can't
breath life into a dead body or create a perfect animal and breath life into
it - is PROOF of a higher intelligence! ****
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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| Title: Re: When life really begins. |
09 Apr 2004 06:32:44 PM |
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The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious fanatics.Some
of us are just people who like life.
***************
Life began millions of years ago..........and
no human being has the right to use my body against my will.
A fetus sure as hell isn't going to have a right that human beings do not have.
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| User: "Warnock" |
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| Title: Re: When life really begins. |
17 Apr 2004 07:42:06 AM |
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"Mizzyandrea" <mizzyandrea@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040409193244.13458.00000107@mb-m18.aol.com...
The premise of the abortion advocates is that life begins at
birth.That is perhaps the reason so many otherwise intelligent people
defend a womans right to choose.Unfortunately,life begins at
conception.Were the forces of genocide to study,really study,the
science of human life;they would see that it is not just a matter of
religious convictions.Not all pro-lifers are religious fanatics.Some
of us are just people who like life.
***************
Life began millions of years ago..........and
no human being has the right to use my body against my will.
A fetus sure as hell isn't going to have a right that human beings do not
have.
*** *** What's worrying you? You specifically invited it in, to stay for 9
months, and have the right to a normal birth!
The only time you can break this contract, is if your life is seriously in
danger!
--
**** The fact that the greatest scientists, to their utter dismay, can't
breath life into a dead body or create a perfect animal and breath life into
it - is PROOF of a higher intelligence! ****
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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| User: "The Zools" |
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| Title: Re: When life really begins. |
18 Apr 2004 06:18:07 PM |
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"Warnock" <warnnock@pop.co.za> wrote in message
news:c5rtv7$abf$4@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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Aren't you glad we have better morals and laws nowadays than this ancient
Hebrew god had? What benefit did this god have in killing homosexuals? If
he wanted them dead he/she/it shouldn't have created them in the first
place.
The Zools
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: When life really begins. |
17 Apr 2004 01:46:30 PM |
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Warnock <warnnock@pop.co.za> wrote:
"Mizzyandrea" <mizzyandrea@aol.com> wrote in message
no human being has the right to use my body against my will.
A fetus sure as hell isn't going to have a right that human beings do not
have.
*** *** What's worrying you? You specifically invited it in, to stay for 9
months, and have the right to a normal birth!
The only time you can break this contract, is if your life is seriously in
danger!
Claiming that a woman who used contraception and who wants an abortion
"invited" a non-existant fetus to take up residence in her body is
pro-liar insanity.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Warnock" |
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| Title: Re: When life really begins. |
20 Apr 2004 07:59:49 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c5ru26$2j2$1@bolt.sonic.net...
no human being has the right to use my body against my will.
A fetus sure as hell isn't going to have a right that human beings do
not
have.
*** *** What's worrying you? You specifically invited it in, to stay for
9
months, and have the right to a normal birth!
The only time you can break this contract, is if your life is seriously
in
danger!
Claiming that a woman who used contraception and who wants an abortion
"invited" a non-existant fetus to take up residence in her body is
pro-liar insanity.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
*** *** Relatively few people use rubbers, so its no excuse.
Most adults know what they are doing, having sex, and must take the
consequences!
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**** The fact that the greatest scientists, to their utter dismay, can't
breath life into a dead body or create a perfect animal and breath life into
it - is PROOF of a higher intelligence! ****
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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| User: "junegill" |
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| Title: Re: When life really begins. |
20 Apr 2004 08:36:47 PM |
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"Warnock" <warnnock@pop.co.za> wrote in message
news:c63ti0$r7l$4@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c5ru26$2j2$1@bolt.sonic.net...
no human being has the right to use my body against my will.
A fetus sure as hell isn't going to have a right that human beings do
not
have.
*** *** What's worrying you? You specifically invited it in, to stay
for
9
months, and have the right to a normal birth!
No woman can 'specifically invite' a zygote to stay. It's impossible for
her to make herself pregnant, because all the initiative comes from first
the egg and sperm: whether the egg will allow itself to be fertilised or
whether the sperm can penetrate the egg; then from the zygote: whether it
will implant or not; then from the embryo: developing normally or not (more
usually not); and finally the foetus: initiating the start of labour. All
of this is beyond the control of the host woman, or anyone else for that
matter, so she really can't be held responsible for its actions.
The only time you can break this contract, is if your life is seriously
in
danger!
Who says?
Claiming that a woman who used contraception and who wants an abortion
"invited" a non-existant fetus to take up residence in her body is
pro-liar insanity.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
*** *** Relatively few people use rubbers, so its no excuse.
Most adults know what they are doing, having sex, and must take the
consequences!
Must? Again, who says? Most medical staff know what they're doing when
they treat someone with a contagious disease, so if they're unlucky and
happen to catch the disease themselves, they must take the consequences and
not have treatment for it because they knew the risks?
--
June G
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