Science > Abortion > Who Are The Democrats At War With: Republicans Or Terrorists?
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26 Jan 2005 03:56:16 PM |
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Who Are The Democrats At War With: Republicans Or Terrorists? |
If you ever wanted to know why the Democratic Party is so utterly and
completely useless in the war on terrorism, just read the quotation from
Howard Dean at the end of this excerpt and you will understand...
"Democrats from throughout the West gathered Saturday to interview candidates
to lead the Democratic National Committee, including former Vermont Gov.
Howard Dean, whose candidacy has come under fire from within the party.
The candidates are competing for the votes of about 430 voting members of the
Democratic National Committee, who will choose the successor to outgoing DNC
Chairman Terry McAuliffe on Feb. 12.
But numerous party activists turned out as well to meet the candidates and
offer their views on how the party can emerge from minority status.
'This is a war for the survival of the United States as we know it,' Dean
declared at a breakfast meeting with labor leaders and Latino activists."
Yes, there are terrorists trying to kill as many Americans as possible and
while Republicans are at war with those terrorists, the Democrats are at war
with the Republicans. It's too bad that there are so many Dems who are more
interested in acquiring political power than protecting America...
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26 Jan 2005 04:28:45 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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SNip <crap>
The right wing wackos decided there was a culture war over ten years ago.
MAybne ifd they had been more concerned about terrorist organizatiosn they
wouldn't have declared war on CLinton and he could have been free to do his
job.
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27 Jan 2005 07:25:55 AM |
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"John LaVoy" <jlavoy@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in
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The right wing wackos decided there was a culture war over ten years
ago. MAybne ifd they had been more concerned about terrorist
organizatiosn they wouldn't have declared war on CLinton and he could
have been free to do his job.
Clinton only did anything when the Congressional Republicans forced him to.
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| User: "Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?=" |
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27 Jan 2005 07:32:22 AM |
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begin Gactimus wrote:
"John LaVoy" <jlavoy@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in
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The right wing wackos decided there was a culture war over ten years
ago. MAybne ifd they had been more concerned about terrorist
organizatiosn they wouldn't have declared war on CLinton and he could
have been free to do his job.
Clinton only did anything when the Congressional Republicans forced him
to.
At least he had the good sense not to post in off-topic groups.
You guys though don't even have that
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If you had any brains, you'd be dangerous.
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| User: "A Nengineer" |
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27 Jan 2005 06:20:14 AM |
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John LaVoy wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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SNip <crap>
The right wing wackos decided there was a culture war over ten years ago.
MAybne ifd they had been more concerned about terrorist organizatiosn they
wouldn't have declared war on CLinton and he could have been free to do his
job.
Just because there is a "culture war" doesn't mean that there isn't also
a bunch of terrorists trying to kill us all.
FWIW, Clinton NEVER did his job, no matter what. He was a do-nothing
governor in a backward state reeling from a century of one-party
(Democrat) rule, and he was a do-nothing President.
Bill Clinton's number one mission in life is to meet chicks and see if
he can get them to perform sex acts with him. Everything else was secondary.
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http://www.polhemus.cc/blog
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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27 Jan 2005 11:03:45 PM |
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A Nengineer <awful@tragedy.com> wrote:
John LaVoy wrote:
The right wing wackos decided there was a culture war over ten years ago.
MAybne ifd they had been more concerned about terrorist organizatiosn they
wouldn't have declared war on CLinton and he could have been free to do his
job.
Just because there is a "culture war" doesn't mean that there isn't also
a bunch of terrorists trying to kill us all.
Commies under your bed as well?
FWIW, Clinton NEVER did his job, no matter what. He was a do-nothing
governor in a backward state reeling from a century of one-party
(Democrat) rule, and he was a do-nothing President.
You're just another dumbshit bigot with more hate than brains.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "chrisv" |
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27 Jan 2005 07:54:19 AM |
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A Nengineer wrote:
FWIW, Clinton NEVER did his job, no matter what. He was a do-nothing
governor in a backward state reeling from a century of one-party
(Democrat) rule, and he was a do-nothing President.
Typical lies from the right.
Bill Clinton's number one mission in life is to meet chicks and see if
he can get them to perform sex acts with him. Everything else was secondary.
Not true, of course, but even if it was, it would be better than the
damage that the Bush gain is doing to our country.
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| User: "Kadaitcha Man" |
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27 Jan 2005 06:23:15 AM |
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A Nengineer, <awful@tragedy.com>, the outback, uninteresting festered sore,
and dealer in dead ferrets, dribbled:
Bill Clinton's number one mission in life is to meet chicks and see if
he can get them to perform sex acts with him. Everything else was
secondary.
Jealousy must be such a *****.
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| User: "Felix D." |
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27 Jan 2005 09:14:51 PM |
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"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam@*****-off-and-die.com> wrote in message
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A Nengineer, <awful@tragedy.com>, the outback, uninteresting festered
sore,
and dealer in dead ferrets, dribbled:
Bill Clinton's number one mission in life is to meet chicks and see if
he can get them to perform sex acts with him. Everything else was
secondary.
Jealousy must be such a *****.
Look at it this way: Clinton's perversions kept him from fully focusing on
his job, so he didn't do the damage he was capable of inflicting, but what
he managed to do was bad enough.
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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28 Jan 2005 12:27:33 PM |
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Felix D. wrote:
"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam@*****-off-and-die.com> wrote in message
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A Nengineer, <awful@tragedy.com>, the outback, uninteresting festered
sore,
and dealer in dead ferrets, dribbled:
Bill Clinton's number one mission in life is to meet chicks and see if
he can get them to perform sex acts with him. Everything else was
secondary.
Jealousy must be such a *****.
Look at it this way: Clinton's perversions kept him from fully focusing on
his job,
Actually, Ken Starr's obsession with someone else's ***** did that.
so he didn't do the damage he was capable of inflicting, but what
he managed to do was bad enough.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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27 Jan 2005 12:36:06 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
If you ever wanted to know why the Democratic Party is so utterly and
completely useless in the war on terrorism,
Are referring to Bush's war FOR terrorism?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Felix D." |
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27 Jan 2005 09:17:32 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
If you ever wanted to know why the Democratic Party is so utterly and
completely useless in the war on terrorism,
Are referring to Bush's war FOR terrorism?
Damn Ray, without even letting the man finish the sentence, you step right
in and prove him right! Until you're able to see what's going on, you
people are going to be absolutely useless in the coming clash of
civilizations.
Kindly go home, close the door, and let us do what has to be done.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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27 Jan 2005 11:04:56 PM |
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Felix D. <#1Chekist@OGPU.org> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
If you ever wanted to know why the Democratic Party is so utterly and
completely useless in the war on terrorism,
Are referring to Bush's war FOR terrorism?
Damn Ray, without even letting the man finish the sentence, you step right
in and prove him right! Until you're able to see what's going on, you
Bush has done far more to promote terrorism than to deal with its
causes.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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27 Jan 2005 10:57:41 PM |
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Felix D. wrote:
Kindly go home, close the door, and let us do what has to be done.
Tell ya what, why don't you go home, close the door, and do what has to
be done there.
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| User: "SidBung" |
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30 Jan 2005 09:38:35 AM |
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You really don't understand what's going on. The whole point of
terrorism is to escalate a conflict. It's simple - one side bombs/shoots
up anothers bar/temple/shopping centre killing plenty of civilians in
the process. The community on the other side rallies round "their"
terrorists to "protect" them. Repeat the cycle ad inifinitum. Do you
actually think Bin Laden etc actually give a ***** about the ordinary
Arab on the street? They might cry a few crocodile tears but they're
grist to the mill for the glorious cause ...
The only ways to deal with it are full-on mass-murder of the civilian
population, which thank God isn't an option politically, or putting
troops in making damn sure they stay within the law in order to wrest
back moral legitimacy in the eyes of those who support and hide the
terrorists. Bush and co are doing neither which is why they are totally
fucking things up and losing the propaganda war. Either they're using
terrorism as a method to keep the country in fear and themselves in
power or they're incompetent, simple as that.
I suggest you have a look at the biographies of some terrorists as well.
I suspect a fair amount of their motive is vanity, but for a lot of them
the tipping point into terrorism came with periods of internment or the
death of a family member, which is another reason why heavy-handed
tactics and Abu Gharib style camps are an appalingly bad idea in the
long-term. And it is a long-term problem.
Felix D. wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
If you ever wanted to know why the Democratic Party is so utterly and
completely useless in the war on terrorism,
Are referring to Bush's war FOR terrorism?
Damn Ray, without even letting the man finish the sentence, you step right
in and prove him right! Until you're able to see what's going on, you
people are going to be absolutely useless in the coming clash of
civilizations.
Kindly go home, close the door, and let us do what has to be done.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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27 Jan 2005 10:02:50 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
If you ever wanted to know why the Democratic Party is so utterly and
completely useless in the war on terrorism,
Are referring to Bush's war FOR terrorism?
Thanks for proving my point.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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27 Jan 2005 11:05:15 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
If you ever wanted to know why the Democratic Party is so utterly and
completely useless in the war on terrorism,
Are referring to Bush's war FOR terrorism?
Thanks for proving my point.
The point being that you're in favor of terrorism?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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28 Jan 2005 12:31:58 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cta24l$k9g$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
If you ever wanted to know why the Democratic Party is so utterly and
completely useless in the war on terrorism,
Are referring to Bush's war FOR terrorism?
Thanks for proving my point.
The point being that you're in favor of terrorism?
He's a big Bush fan, so....
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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26 Jan 2005 04:39:27 PM |
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Gactimus posted:
If you ever wanted to know why the Democratic Party is so utterly and
completely useless in the war on terrorism
there is no war on terrorism. we're stuck in a guerilla conflict in iraq.
completely irrelevant to terrorism.
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"The price of greatness is responsibility." Churchill
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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26 Jan 2005 05:52:19 PM |
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<SmirkS> wrote:
Gactimus posted:
If you ever wanted to know why the Democratic Party is so utterly
and completely useless in the war on terrorism
there is no war on terrorism. we're stuck in a guerilla conflict in
iraq.
completely irrelevant to terrorism.
Only an idiot liberal would claim that fighting terrorists in Iraq has
nothing to do with terrorism.
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| User: "Christopher Benson-Manica" |
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26 Jan 2005 10:27:35 PM |
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In talk.abortion Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Only an idiot liberal would claim that fighting terrorists in Iraq has
nothing to do with terrorism.
Was there terrorism there before? That is the operative question.
comp.os.linux.advocacy? Idiot. *plonk*
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Christopher Benson-Manica | I *should* know what I'm talking about - if I
ataru(at)cyberspace.org | don't, I need to know. Flames welcome.
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| User: "Felix D." |
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27 Jan 2005 09:03:51 PM |
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"Christopher Benson-Manica" <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
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In talk.abortion Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Only an idiot liberal would claim that fighting terrorists in Iraq has
nothing to do with terrorism.
Was there terrorism there before? That is the operative question.
Yep. Start with Salman Pak and move forward.
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27 Jan 2005 10:22:15 PM |
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Felix D. wrote:
"Christopher Benson-Manica" <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
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In talk.abortion Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Only an idiot liberal would claim that fighting terrorists in Iraq has
nothing to do with terrorism.
Was there terrorism there before? That is the operative question.
Yep. Start with Salman Pak and move forward.
Better start somewhere else - it's common knowledge the Salman Pak
claims are bogus. News and entertainment are two different things -
that's why Rush and Hannity can have fun with it in ways credible
journalists can't.
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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28 Jan 2005 12:38:17 AM |
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Yep. Start with Salman Pak and move forward.
Better start somewhere else - it's common knowledge the Salman Pak
claims are bogus. News and entertainment are two different things -
that's why Rush and Hannity can have fun with it in ways credible
journalists can't.
No that is NOT common knowledge and it ignores
many other instances that are not, and never were
in dispute.
BTW, the Salman Pak dismissal (see also lie) seems
to have originated due to information that the TERRORISTS
at Salman Pak were NOT among the general population of
what amounts to a GIANT military training base -- anyone
who has ever trained at Fort Bragg, Fort Benning, or even
Fort Polk knows there are MILES, maybe hundreds of miles
that no one without authorization or business ever visits.
Most soldiers of the 82nd Airborne never enter the Special
Warfare training grounds at Bragg, and most non-airborne
personally never see the jump fields of either Bragg or
Benning. There are places a Polk that are off limits to
EVERYONE due to them still being MINED from WW2
testing and training.
(ok, they may have cleaned those up since I was there.)
Salman Pak was REPLETE with terrorists and this has
NEVER been attack in any non-naive way.
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Herb Martin
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Felix D. wrote:
"Christopher Benson-Manica" <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote in
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In talk.abortion Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Only an idiot liberal would claim that fighting terrorists in Iraq has
nothing to do with terrorism.
Was there terrorism there before? That is the operative question.
Yep. Start with Salman Pak and move forward.
Better start somewhere else - it's common knowledge the Salman Pak
claims are bogus. News and entertainment are two different things -
that's why Rush and Hannity can have fun with it in ways credible
journalists can't.
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28 Jan 2005 12:32:57 PM |
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styron <kratz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Felix D. wrote:
"Christopher Benson-Manica" <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote in
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In talk.abortion Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Only an idiot liberal would claim that fighting terrorists in Iraq has
nothing to do with terrorism.
Was there terrorism there before? That is the operative question.
Yep. Start with Salman Pak and move forward.
Better start somewhere else - it's common knowledge the Salman Pak
claims are bogus.
If it's so common, surely you can provide us with that.
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28 Jan 2005 05:05:05 PM |
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James H. Hood wrote:
styron <kratz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Felix D. wrote:
"Christopher Benson-Manica" <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote in
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In talk.abortion Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Only an idiot liberal would claim that fighting terrorists in Iraq has
nothing to do with terrorism.
Was there terrorism there before? That is the operative question.
Yep. Start with Salman Pak and move forward.
Better start somewhere else - it's common knowledge the Salman Pak
claims are bogus.
If it's so common, surely you can provide us with that.
New Yorker, May 12, 2003:
"In separate interviews with me, however, a former C.I.A. station chief
and a former military intelligence analyst said that the camp near
Salman Pak had been built not for terrorism training but for
counter-terrorism training. In the mid-eighties, Islamic terrorists were
routinely hijacking aircraft. In 1986, an Iraqi airliner was seized by
pro-Iranian extremists and crashed, after a hand grenade was triggered,
killing at least sixty-five people. (At the time, Iran and Iraq were at
war, and America favored Iraq.) Iraq then sought assistance from the
West, and got what it wanted from Britain’s MI6. The C.I.A. offered
similar training in counter-terrorism throughout the Middle East. “We
were helping our allies everywhere we had a liaison,” the former station
chief told me. Inspectors recalled seeing the body of an airplane—which
appeared to be used for counter-terrorism training—when they visited a
biological-weapons facility near Salman Pak in 1991, ten years before
September 11th. It is, of course, possible for such a camp to be
converted from one purpose to another. The former C.I.A. official noted,
however, that terrorists would not practice on airplanes in the open.
“That’s Hollywood rinky-dink stuff,” the former agent said. “They train
in basements. You don’t need a real airplane to practice hijacking. The
9/11 terrorists went to gyms. But to take one back you have to practice
on the real thing.” Salman Pak was overrun by American troops on April
6th. Apparently, neither the camp nor the former biological facility has
yielded evidence to substantiate the claims made before the war."
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If there was anything to Salman Pak, you would have heard it from the
Bush administration - they aren't exactly shy when it comes to bandying
about putative threats from Saddam. Truth is they know there's nothing
to the story. It'd be quickly tucked away with "Yellow-Cake", "Aluminum
Tubes" and "Mushroom Clouds" in the Imaginary Threat File if they tried
to float it.
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28 Jan 2005 05:59:11 PM |
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"In separate interviews with me, however, a former C.I.A. station chief
and a former military intelligence analyst said that the camp near
Salman Pak had been built not for terrorism training but for
counter-terrorism training. In the mid-eighties, Islamic terrorists were
routinely hijacking aircraft.
Who is this anonymous person and WHERE is he
a Station Chief? (E.g., a station chief from Guatemala
might have no clue).
But the key here is that the above statement might be
PERFECTLY TRUE and still not say what you (and
the New Yorker author seems) to think since it says
it was NOT BUILT for that purpose rather than what
is wasn't SOMETIMES USED in part for that purpose.
No date on the comment. Either.
We have direct eyewitness testimony about the trained,
highly motivate foreigners who fought to defend their
camp etc there.
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| User: "styron" |
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28 Jan 2005 06:52:08 PM |
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Herb Martin wrote:
"In separate interviews with me, however, a former C.I.A. station chief
and a former military intelligence analyst said that the camp near
Salman Pak had been built not for terrorism training but for
counter-terrorism training. In the mid-eighties, Islamic terrorists were
routinely hijacking aircraft.
Who is this anonymous person and WHERE is he
a Station Chief? (E.g., a station chief from Guatemala
might have no clue).
But the key here is that the above statement might be
PERFECTLY TRUE and still not say what you (and
the New Yorker author seems) to think since it says
it was NOT BUILT for that purpose rather than what
is wasn't SOMETIMES USED in part for that purpose.
No date on the comment. Either.
We have direct eyewitness testimony about the trained,
highly motivate foreigners who fought to defend their
camp etc there.
Eyewitnesses pushed forward by Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress,
no less. There's a reason Mr.Chalabi and Mr.Bush aren't chums anymore,
you know.
And it's pretty much the same reason the admin won't touch Salman Pak.
Even a serial fabulist like Cheney won't go near it.
Entia non sunt multiplicanda etc...
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28 Jan 2005 09:40:08 PM |
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"styron" <kratz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Eyewitnesses pushed forward by Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress,
no less.
If they were witnesses, then that's just more since
I was thinking of US Marines and reporters who
accompanied them.
Glad there is corroboration but it really wasn't
necessary.
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Herb Martin
"styron" <kratz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Herb Martin wrote:
"In separate interviews with me, however, a former C.I.A. station chief
and a former military intelligence analyst said that the camp near
Salman Pak had been built not for terrorism training but for
counter-terrorism training. In the mid-eighties, Islamic terrorists were
routinely hijacking aircraft.
Who is this anonymous person and WHERE is he
a Station Chief? (E.g., a station chief from Guatemala
might have no clue).
But the key here is that the above statement might be
PERFECTLY TRUE and still not say what you (and
the New Yorker author seems) to think since it says
it was NOT BUILT for that purpose rather than what
is wasn't SOMETIMES USED in part for that purpose.
No date on the comment. Either.
We have direct eyewitness testimony about the trained,
highly motivate foreigners who fought to defend their
camp etc there.
Eyewitnesses pushed forward by Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress,
no less. There's a reason Mr.Chalabi and Mr.Bush aren't chums anymore,
you know.
And it's pretty much the same reason the admin won't touch Salman Pak.
Even a serial fabulist like Cheney won't go near it.
Entia non sunt multiplicanda etc...
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28 Jan 2005 11:36:45 PM |
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Herb Martin wrote:
"styron" <kratz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:q8BKd.10690$Yg6.1647916@news20.bellglobal.com...
Eyewitnesses pushed forward by Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress,
no less.
If they were witnesses, then that's just more since
I was thinking of US Marines and reporters who
accompanied them.
Glad there is corroboration but it really wasn't
necessary.
Glad you consider a Chalibi source as "corroboration". Because when
talking about justification for the Iraq Disaster it all comes down to
ones standards in discerning the truth.
It appears you're referring to General Vincent Brooks who "discovered"
Salman Pak and trumpeted it as a Saddam 9/11 link for about thirty
seconds until his superiors muzzled him to stop the embarrassment.
Fortunately it was long enough for Hannity et al to grab the story and
use as fuel for the Fictional Threat furnace. Before long it grew to
NewsMaxian proportions - a fascinating Urban Legend and a perfect litmus
test for gullibility in Bush fans.
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26 Jan 2005 11:33:35 PM |
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"Christopher Benson-Manica" <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
news:ct9qjn$ri8$2@chessie.cirr.com...
In talk.abortion Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Only an idiot liberal would claim that fighting terrorists in Iraq has
nothing to do with terrorism.
Was there terrorism there before? That is the operative question.
Yes.
Zarqawi for one, Ansar al-Islam for a whole nest,
and the guest program at Salman Pak for another,
plus the outbound support for killing US Diplomats
in Jordan or the payments to palestinian terrorists,
as well as guesting representatives of Bin Laden and
providing technical support for Al Qaeda activities
in Sudan wasn't it.
Easy question.
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