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PROLOGUE:
(The American Democratic Party is the tool for Communist Subversion)
Anyone reading and understanding the following will see why America is in
decline and it is because of Communists in our government. ABORTION is a hot
topic issue which is universally supported by Democrats who maintain there
exists a constitutional Right known as "pro-choce.
Funny thing the dupes (the Liberals/Democrats) of the Communists claim a woman
has a right to choose to have an abortion YET the people who pull their strings
and give them support (the Communists) aren't "pro-choice" at all!
In China a pregnant woman has no choice! If the State decides she is over the
amount of children acceptable then she is forced to have an abortion. Also funny
is how the Democrats claim they are for the working man YET their masters (the
Communists) have no problem with labor unions in their "worker's utopias" or
"dictatorship of the proletariat" because if a "citizen" disagrees with his
"supervisor" or has a dispute then he/she is either shot or imprisoned! This is
the road the Democratic Party wants us to be on!!!
Tavish
HOW AMERICA IS BEING SUBVERTED AND BY WHOM:
Straight from the mouths of communists at Communist Party USA:
http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/13/
(Archived locally as: cpusa13)
Socialism USA
Author: Gus Hall (1910-2000), former National Chair
First published: Jan 1, 1996 by the Communist Party, USA
We Communists believe that socialism is the very best replacement for a
capitalist system that has served its purpose, but no longer meets the needs and
requirements of the great majority of our people.
We believe that socialism USA will be built according to the traditions,
history, culture and conditions of the United States. Thus, it will be different
from any other socialist society in the world. It will be uniquely American.
What will be the goals of our socialist society?
A life free of exploitation, insecurity, poverty; an end to unemployment, hunger
and homelessness.

An end to racism, national oppression, anti-Semitism, all forms of
discrimination, prejudice and bigotry. An end to the unequal status of women.
Renewal and extension of democracy; an end to the rule of corporate America and
private ownership of the wealth of our nation. Creation of a truly humane and
rationally planned society that will stimulate the fullest flowering of the
human personality, creativity and talent.
The advocates and ideologues of capitalism hold that such goals are utopian;
that human beings are inherently selfish and evil. Others argue that these goals
can be fully realized under capitalism.
We are confident, however, that such goals can be realized, but only through a
socialist society.
Why Socialism?
Since its inception capitalism has been fatally flawed. Its inherent laws - to
maximize profit on the backs of the working class - give rise to the class
struggle.
History is a continuous story of people rising up against those who exploit and
oppress them, to demand what's theirs. Our own country's historic beginning was
revolutionary. The ideals of justice and equality have inspired peoples for
centuries.
Up until the time of Karl Marx, those that advocated socialism were "utopians",
that is, motivated by ideals only. It was Marx and his longtime friend and
collaborator, Frederick Engels, who uncovered the inner laws of capitalism,
where profit comes from and how societies develop. They transformed wishful
thinking for socialism into socialism with a scientific, materialist basis.
Communists say that capitalism won't be around forever. Just like previous
societies weren't around forever either. Slavery gave rise to feudalism and
feudalism to capitalism. So, too, capitalism gives rise to socialism.
The Foundations of Socialism
Political power would be in the hands of working people. Socialism starts with
nationalization of the main means of production - the plants, factories,
agri-business farms and everything necessary to produce what society needs. The
large monopoly corporations and banks come under public ownership, that is,
under the collective ownership of the entire working class and people, who have
the leading role in building socialism.
Socialism also means public ownership of the energy industry and all the natural
resources. It eliminates forever the power of the capitalist class to exploit
and oppress the majority.
A socialist government draws up plans covering the entire economy. They are
drawn up with maximum participation of the people, from the shop level on up.
Such plans are achieved because they harmonize the interests of all, because
there are no conflicts arising from exploitation of workers and no dog-eat-dog
competition.
Production increases much faster than under capitalism, with a planned economy,
advancement of science and technology, and the protection and preservation of
our environment and natural resources.
A socialist government is based on all-around democracy, starting with economic
democracy. The more people participate in running their own economy, the more
firmly people's power is established, the more successful a socialist America
will be.
Trade unions in a socialist USA will insure a fair balance between what workers
produce and what they receive. They will have decisive power to enforce safety
and health provisions, prevent speedup, and guarantee good transportation,
working conditions and plant facilities.
Public services - schools, hospitals, utilities, transit, parks, roads - are
crumbling under capitalism. And now corporations are "privatizing"
government-run, publicly-owned institutions for private profit.
Under socialism public services and housing will be vastly improved and
expanded. They will be broadened in their scope beyond anything dreamed of under
capitalism.
The U.S. will become a vast construction site. Homes, schools, hospitals, places
of recreation will be built to end shortages, replace substandard
infrastructures and public facilities.
Jobs and Education for All
Full employment will be quickly achieved as production is expanded to satisfy
the needs of people. Automation at the service of the working people will lead
to both reduced hours of work and higher living standards, with no layoffs.
There will be no danger of over-production since production will be planned and
people's incomes will increase in line with the rising output of consumer goods
and services.
Poverty will be ended quickly with the recovery of the vast resources now wasted
in war production, corporate profits and the extravagent lifestyles of the
filthy rich.
All education will be tuition-free. Every person will have access to unlimited
medical and health care without charge. These rights will be realized as rapidly
as facilities can be built and the personnel trained.
With capitalism gone, crime will also begin to disappear, for it is the vicious
profit system that corrupts people and breeds crime.
To Each According to Their Work
Some ask whether guaranteeing basic necessities, free education, low-cost
housing and health care will encourage people to avoid working, or doing their
best. The principle of socialism is: From each according to his/her ability, to
each according to his/her work.
Socialism provides incentives for working better, producing more and higher
quality goods, acquiring advanced skills. It does NOT equalize wages. Wages vary
according to occupation and efficiency, although everyone is guaranteed a
liveable wage.
Under capitalism, improvements in skill, organization and technology are rightly
feared by the worker, since they threaten jobs. Under socialism, they offer the
chance to make the job more interesting and rewarding, as well as to improve
living standards.
Socialism provides moral incentives because the fruits of labor benefit all. No
person robs others of the profits from their labor; when social goals are
adopted by the majority, people will want to work for these goals. Work will
seem less a burden, more and more a creative activity, where everyone is his/her
neighbor's helper instead of rival.
It is true socialism will nationalize or socialize all large-scale production,
property and real estate. But socialism does not abolish ALL privately-owned
business. It does not require nationalization of those small businesses owned by
people who work for themselves and do not hire others to make a profit. Personal
property - private homes, automobiles, etc., - will remain just that, personal
property.
In highly mechanized U.S. agriculture there will still be a place for the family
farmer. But the farm family will be relieved of the pressure of agribusiness
monopolies.
There will be rapid abolition of racism and national oppression. Socialism will
bring complete equality for all racially and nationally oppressed. There will be
no compromise with racism, for there will no longer exist a capitalist class
which profits from it. Racism, national oppression, anti-Semitism, sexism,
anti-immigrant discrimination and all forms of prejudice and bigotry will be
banned by law, with strict measures of enforcement. Affirmative action will be
expanded immediately to undo and make up for hundreds of years of the ravages of
racism. Full equality will be one of the main priorities of the new society.
War propaganda will be outlawed.
The only privileged sectors will be the children and seniors, who have earned
the right to a healthy, happy, secure retirement.
The children will reap all the benefits of socialist child care, free nurseries
and schools with the very best facilities and teachers. Children will have
wonderful recreational and sports facilities. They will have the option to
choose whatever career they wish, and the free education and training to achieve
it.
Socialism provides the economic foundation for effective democracy for the
masses of people. To carry through the socialist economic and social
transformation requires political rule by the working class - a government of,
by and for the working people.
Socialism USA
Socialism USA will benefit from the experiences, the mistakes and succesess of
the countries who built and are building socialism. But mainly it will reflect
the distinctive features of U.S. development and environment.
Unique historical advantages, like the unequalled natural resources, fertile
soil and perfect weather, coupled with the contributions of generations of
working people, enabled U.S. capitalism to achieve higher productive levels and
living standards than capitalism in other countries. So, too, the development of
socialism here will have some distinct advantages.
We have a highly developed industrial society with a highly trained and educated
work force.
Free from foreign intervention, socialism will not have to divert human and
economic resources to defend itself.
Socialism USA will avoid the terrible problems of extreme poverty, illiteracy,
civil wars, wars of intervention and world wars.
Socialism USA will extend democracy to its fullest, taking as its starting point
the democratic traditions and institutions of the American people.

Path to Socialism
We say that it may be possible in the U.S. to bring socialism through peaceful
means. Perhaps through the ballot box. One thing is clear, there won't be
socialism in the U.S. until the majority of the American people want it.
I like to say that when workers enter the corporate board rooms to take over and
the ruling class says: O.K. you're right, we made a mess of things and now you
should run it all. Well then there won't be any trouble. But if the ruling class
says: Forget it! And call out the army and the police and the national guard,
then that is how revolutions become violent. It starts with the ruling class.
Workers and their allies have to defend themselves and to fight for what is
rightfully theirs.
We believe and advocate that a socialist society in our country will guarantee
all the liberties defined in the Bill of Rights but never fully realized. These
include the right of people to express themselves fully and freely through
organizations of their choice and competing candidates who respect and are
guided by the concept of building socialism.
Indeed, the freedoms in the Bill of Rights will take on far greater meaning for
the great majority, who will now own the meeting halls, press, radio and TV, and
will be able to exercise that freedom effectively.
That's why we call ours Bill of Rights Socialism, USA.
Socialism is our vision for America's future. It is a vision we are winning more
and more people to because it is logical - really a great - replacement for
capitalism. And because it is the next inevitable step up the ladder of human
civilization.
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<END>
The above was quoted exactly! Thus the Communist Party USA is pushing
"Socialism" instead of "Communism" because "in the apparent desire to avoid
alienating potential recruits, many marxists/socialists are avoiding the "C"
word (Communism) like the plague" as detailed in this document:
Taken from: Committee of Correspondence
http://www.nathannewman.org/EDIN/.left/CoC/.dandi/.di4/.di4.08.html
(Archived locally as: CoCdi4-08)
To each according to her needs, by David Schwartzman
The stimulus for writing this essay came out of the ongoing effort within the
left to reconstitute a new vision of socialism. To date, I find a healthy
openness to new ways of thinking about the relation of democracy to the
socialist project, and a renewed committment to struggle "in the long haul".
However, except for the attempts at scientific utopias [1] in the Green and
futurist literature, there is little in the new declarations of socialists [2]
that excites the imagination. This short-coming will surely be a handicap in
attracting youth. We are not being as "radical as reality itself", to borrow a
phrase from Lenin. [3] The ecological question is still being relegated to a
laundry list of needs and demands, instead of being at the heart of our vision.
And, in the apparent desire to avoid alienating potential recruits, many
marxists/socialists are avoiding the "C" word (Communism) like the plague.
The "C" word has of course an even worse reputation than the "S" word
(Socialism). The actual record of existing socialism led by Communist parties,
at least its representation by the media, has gone a long way to confirm the
anti-communist world-view of the Cold War. Yet the utopian dream of communism
still survives in mass consciousness, even though our pragmatic inner voice
tells "It just wouldn't work". In spite of its slightly more acceptable
reception among the people of the USA, the concept of socialism is perhaps more
indeterminate than the ideal of communism. Socialism has been tried, with all
its contradictory results, while many models, ranging from centrally-planned
state socialism, to a wide range of mixed economies, continue to be debated.
Let us recall for a moment Marx and Engels' concept of socialism as the lower
stage of communism and, thus, a transition between capitalism and the higher
stage of communism...
David Schwartzman is a geologist at Howard University,
Washington, D.C.
<end>
The above is also mirrored at:
http://www.cofc.org/Publications/d04.htm
(Link active June 29, 2004. Archived locally as: CoC_d04)
Now if one and all can accept Communists are now hiding behind the moniker of
Socialists then it would be easy to accept the United States Congress has many
Communists in it as members of the Democratic Socialists of America's
Progressive Caucus as detailed in full in this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=fngd20hhnqv51a0oltui57sm0u2si62a5d%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Democratic Socialists in Congress, Their Agenda, Their Values, and
Their FIGHTING Songs! V3.0 S_0208
Message-ID: <fngd20hhnqv51a0oltui57sm0u2si62a5d@4ax.com>
Date: 8 Feb 2004 23:12:27 GMT
Socialism is nothing more than a transitory stage to a communist state and once
again I quote the people behind it all:
www.marxmail.org/faq/socialism_and_communism.htm
(Archived locally as: marxmail1)
"Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for
use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized
planning. Socialism grows directly out of capitalism; it is the first form of
the new society. Communism is a further development or "higher stage" of
socialism... Socialism is the first step in the process of developing the
productive forces to achieve abundance and changing the mental and spiritual
outlook of the people. It is the necessary transition stage from capitalism to
communism..." <END>
www.workerspower.com/wpglobal/transitiontocommunism.html
(Archived locally as: 2communism)
Workers Power Global | Marxism for Beginners
Transition to communism
Karl Marx was not the first to condemn capitalism for the poverty and
inequality that it creates, neither was he the first to fight for a society in
which poverty and inequality would be eradicated. But he was the first to
realise that capitalism itself would create the forces capable of overthrowing
it...
Socialism, understood as a society in which the economy was socially
owned and output was shared equally, would not be created, fully developed,
separate from existing capitalist society. Instead, in historic terms, there
would be a period during which capitalist society would be transformed into
socialist society, a "transitional" period...
Marx's political strategy, therefore, had to begin from this
understanding of society; the means of production for a better society already
existed, the working class needed that better society but the capitalists,
protected by the state, were determined to prevent any change. His first attempt
to develop a way of overthrowing this minority was presented in the Communist
Manifesto of 1848.
In the Manifesto, Marx not only delivered a devastating attack on
capitalism but set out the measures that a working class government, brought to
power by a democratic revolution, would need to take to begin the transition to
socialism.
These included the abolition of private ownership of land, a progressive
tax to drain away the wealth of the capitalists, the centralisation of credit in
a national bank, state ownership of transport and communications, planned
extension of production to meet need and free state education for all
children...
Marx, therefore, further refined the concept of a "transition society"
and introduced the idea that the development of communist society would take
place in two phases. In the first stage, "socialism" as he called it, the
commune state was still necessary both to defeat all attempts at
counter-revolution and to reconstruct the international economic system on an
egalitarian and planned basis.
This, Marx called, the "dictatorship of the proletariat". Dictatorship
is frequently counterposed to democracy. Yet for Marx the concept of
dictatorship was necessary and justified. Indeed, it was a very democratic
dictatorship...
How long this transition would take was not predictable but Marx pointed
out that the more successful the commune was the less necessary it would become.
Once the bourgeoisie had been eliminated as a class, for example, there would be
no need for military organisation or defence expenditure.
In the longer term, the transition would be completed when society no
longer needed a political force, a state of any sort, in order to organise
production and distribution.
Administration would still be necessary but in an egalitarian society
this would not involve the subordination of one part of the population by
another, it would no longer be "political". This would be communist society.
<END>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=neapd0h72hb82fn4fgq3fq8ba4ij5n8ctp%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Socialism Imported Into America, Canada, Rumania, Hungary, Poland,
Germany, Ukraine, Palestine (Israel) Etc. by Jews (In Their Own Words People!)
V2.0 S_0625 Date: 25 Jun 2004 23:08:56 GMT
Message-ID: <neapd0h72hb82fn4fgq3fq8ba4ij5n8ctp@4ax.com>
I must add-- I really am tired of the idiots who claim communism is dead. IT IS
NOT!! They merely put on camo suits and masquerade under different colors BUT
they are still RED and they are still pushing the same agenda! Now is not the
time to be apathetic or complacent as they push incrementally their agenda using
their useful idiots infesting our American Congress. I give links below which
name most of the traitors in Congress and I am doing my part BUT you all need to
do yours!
Tavish
Also of interest and documented in my usual manner:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=fngd20hhnqv51a0oltui57sm0u2si62a5d%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Democratic Socialists in Congress, Their Agenda, Their Values, and
Their FIGHTING Songs! V3.0 S_0208
Message-ID: <fngd20hhnqv51a0oltui57sm0u2si62a5d@4ax.com>
Date: 8 Feb 2004 23:12:27 GMT
The above proves we have Communists in the American Congress and the material
just below shows we have a "Communist" sitting on the Supreme Court!
http://archive.aclu.org/library/vision5.html
(Archived locally as: ACLUvision5)
by Ira Glasser, ACLU Executive Director
No Vacation for Civil Liberties
"...represented by Ruth Bader Ginsberg, now a Justice of the Supreme Court but
then the Director of the ACLU's brand-new Women's Rights Project..." <end>
http://www.bethelbinah.org/american_jewish_history_time_lin.htm
(Archived locally as: bethelbinahJews)
American Jewish History Time Line
[...]
1993 During his presidency, President Clinton appoints more Jews to
cabinet level posts than all previous presidents combined
President Clinton attends Rosh Hashanah service
<<Tavish comment June 29, 2004: See the additional archives further down which
prove President Clinton had ties with and support from Communists.>>
1993 Ruth Bader Ginsberg nominated to the Supreme Court
Thanks to the American Museum of American Jewish History as a primary source for
this information.
<END>
The ACLU which Ruth Bader Ginsberg is connected to has communist roots!
ACLU's communist roots:
http://www.adam-matthew-publications.co.uk/collect/p613.htm
(Link active June 27, 2004. Archived locally as: p613)
THE PAPERS OF ROGER NASH BALDWIN (1885-1981)
FROM THE SEELEY G MUDD MANUSCRIPT LIBRARY, PRINCETON UNIVERSITY
The American Civil Liberties Union and International Affairs
26 reels of 35mm silver-halide positive microfilm plus guide
The Roger Nash Baldwin Papers document the life and career of Roger Baldwin, a
prominent and active American civil libertarian for almost all of his
prodigiously long life. Baldwin is remembered first and foremost as a founder of
the American Civil Liberties Union... He served as both its executive director
from its foundation in 1920 to his retirement in 1950 and as an advisor from
that date until his death in 1981. However, Baldwin cast his net much wider than
just the ACLU. During the 1920s and 1930s, he was involved with various
left-wing political organisations, including the Industrial Workers of the
World...
In St. Louis Baldwin became attracted to the radical political and social
movements that greatly affected his politics until the 1930s. He was a close
friend of the anarchist Emma Goldman and he moved in left-wing circles. During
the 1920s he joined the Industrial Workers of the World (I.W.W.), and in 1927 he
visited the Soviet Union, producing from his trip a book entitled Liberty Under
the Soviets, published in 1928... <end>
http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=228681020271780
(Link active June 27, 2004. Archived locally as: 22868)
Robert C. Cotterell. Roger Nash Baldwin and the American Civil Liberties Union.
New York: Columbia University Press, 2000. xiv + 504 pp. Notes, Index. $34.50
(alk. paper), ISBN 0-231-11972-0.
Reviewed by Thomas Hilbink, Institute.
Published by H-Law (April, 2002)
Red, White, and Blue(Blood)
I would have guessed that few Americans know who Roger Baldwin was. Imagine my
surprise, then, when, while reading the book now reviewed, I found the following
letter to the editor in my local newspaper:
"To the editor: "The American Civil Liberties Union was founded in 1920 by an
unabashed advocate for Marxism and communism, Roger Baldwin. For many of its
early years, the ACLU's main pursuit was the defense of communists facing
government charges of subversion.... Ronald D. Bouman" [1]
I admit that I was impressed that Mr. Bouman even knew who Baldwin was. And,
though his letter was obviously skewed, he wasn't wrong on the facts per se.
Perhaps he had read Roger Nash Baldwin and the American Civil Liberties Union,
Robert C. Cotterell's recent biography of the man described at times as "the
Pope of the liberals."
....Following the Russian Revolution, Baldwin was enamored of the communist
experiment taking place in the Soviet Union and was quite vocal in his support
for those attempting to make Marx's communist vision a reality. While seemingly
contradictory, his double standard reveals the extent to which Baldwin's main
cause at the time was communism. He was not concerned with wholesale violations
of civil liberties by the Soviets, but he remained a staunch supporter of civil
liberties at home. Civil liberties, he believed, could facilitate the process by
which communism could bloom and grow in the United States. The struggle for
freedom of expression was tied, in Baldwin's mind, to the class struggle.
Baldwin was not even convinced that civil liberties could serve a genuine good.
As he wrote:
"[T]he fiction that constitutional American rights can be maintained through law
has been pretty well exploded. Everywhere the realization is growing that legal
rights are hollow shams without political and economic power to enforce them.
The road to industrial freedom is the way to all freedom" (p. 128). ... <end>
http://www.welchreport.com/comment2.cfm?rank_cho=211
(Link active June 27, 2004. Archived locally as: rank_cho211)
January 2003 Alan Stang
The Most Hated Name, The Jesus Conspiracy By Alan Stang
THE MOST HATED NAME THE JESUS CONSPIRACY
By: Alan Stang
[...]
Today, every religion is welcomed in our country except Christianity. Even
Islam, the "religion" of conquest, of mass, forced conversions, of slavery, of
maiming and murder, of illiterate, subjugated women, the "religion" of the men
who are trying to destroy us, and on and on; even Islam is welcome while
Christianity is not. Islam is taught even in government school, while
Christianity is forbidden...
[T]here are the groups fronting for the Soviets designed to rout out every
vestige of Christianity. Preeminent among them is the ACLU (American Civil
Liberties Union). Wherever Christianity appears, ACLU goes to court to squelch
it. The media consistently mention ACLU with approval, because ACLU postures as
a "champion of the First Amendment."
What is it? The preeminent founder of ACLU was Roger N. Baldwin. Roger Baldwin
was a Communist. How do we know that? The best reason we know of is that he said
so. Roger Baldwin said, "Communism is the goal." Yes, Communism, according to
the founder, was the goal of ACLU. The Communists, remember, are atheists; they
hate Jesus because He represents another loyalty.
Another founder of ACLU was Elizabeth Gurley Flynn. Elizabeth just happened to
be General Secretary of the Communist Party. Elizabeth was a member of the ACLU
Board. Another ACLU founder was William Z. Foster, who also just happened to be
General Secretary of the Communist Party, and was another member of the ACLU
Board. How much more do we need to know?... <end>
Key phrase (the founder of the ACLU stated): Roger Baldwin said, "Communism is
the goal." and here is more:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030224235426re_/www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/jul/06/morse.htm
(Link active June 27, 2004. Archived locally as: WebArchives_Morse)
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Communist Background of the
American Civil Liberties Union
By Chuck Morse - 07.06.01
The latest outrage involving the ACLU, covered by columnist Gregory J. Hand in
Enter Stage Right (7/2), is the rescinding of an invitation to Mr. Justice
Clarence Thomas to debate ACLU President Nadine Strossen at the Davis-Levin
First Amendment Conference in Hawaii this summer. Not by any means an isolated
incident, this is the latest in a long tradition of outrages going back to the
founding of the organization and should be viewed in that context. A brief
examination of the Communist background of the ACLU sheds light on an agenda
that seems to champion isolated portions of the Constitution for self-serving
purposes. They often take the Constitution out of context so as to champion
strange cases that seem to favor an outcome that reinforces authoritarian
government control. They more often than not favor the dictatorial concept of
appointed Judges creating legislation from the bench...
Anarchist Roger Baldwin founded the ACLU in 1919, after his release from prison
where he served a sentence for draft evasion, at a party attended by Socialist
Party notable Norman Thomas, future Communist Party chairman Elizabeth Gurley
Flynn, and Soviet agent Agnes Smedley. In 1920, Rev. Harry Ward, the Red Dean of
the Union Theological Seminary was Chairman, Baldwin was director, and Communist
publisher Louis Budenz, who would later go on to testify against Communism,
director of publicity. Other Communist and radical founders included William Z.
Foster, author of "Toward Soviet America," Harold J. Laski, Morris Hilquit,
A.J.Muste, Scott Nearing, Eugene V. Debs, and John Dewey. The 1930's membership
would include such radicals and change agents as Vito Marcantonio, Haywood
Broun, Corliss Lamont, and Bishop G. Bromley Oxnan. The 1940's roll would
include George S. Counts, Norman Cousins, Melvyn Douglas, Robert M. Hutchins,
and Freda Kirchwey. Most prominent American luminaries of the left were, and
are, members of the ACLU.
On January 17, 1931, the Special House (of Representatives) Committee to
Investigate Communist Activities in the United States issued a report which
stated the following:
"The American Civil Liberties Union is closely affiliated with the communist
movement in the United States, and fully 90% of its efforts are on behalf of
Communists who have come into conflict with the law. It claims to stand for free
speech, free press, and free assembly; but it is quite apparent that the main
function of the ACLU is to attempt to protect the communists in their advocacy
of force and violence to overthrow the Government, replacing the American flag
with a red flag and erecting a Soviet Government in place of the republican form
of government guaranteed to each State by the Federal Constitution�Roger N.
Baldwin, its guiding spirit, makes no attempt to hide his friendship for the
communists and their principles"
In 1935, Baldwin wrote the following in his college yearbook:
"I have been to Europe several times, mostly in connection with international
radical activities�and have traveled in the United States to areas of conflict
over workers rights to strike and organize. My chief aversion is the system of
greed, private profit, privilege and violence which makes up the control of the
world today, and which has brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented
hunger and unemployment�Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and
ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself�I seek the social ownership
of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who
produce wealth. Communism is the goal."
Space won't allow further examination of the mountains of fascinating material
regarding the ACLU, so a follow-up article would be in the offing at a future
date. Suffice it to say that there is no reason to assume that the principles
and goals of the ACLU, set in place by its founders, have changed much over the
years. They have simply become much more polished and cagey in their
presentation... <end>
Now for how the Democratic Party has been the organ of World Wide Communism:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=62gb5vglhdb65262sugs90p2a9pufdvvaa%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Re: Democrats & Tories Backed Soviet Communist Party: Their Own Words!
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:02:40 -0600
Message-ID: <62gb5vglhdb65262sugs90p2a9pufdvvaa@4ax.com>
NOTE: Links to the "fight songs" and other DSA material have expired in
the above archive but this archive has restored links from Web Archives:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=fngd20hhnqv51a0oltui57sm0u2si62a5d%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Democratic Socialists in Congress, Their Agenda, Their Values, and
Their FIGHTING Songs! V3.0 S_0208
Message-ID: <fngd20hhnqv51a0oltui57sm0u2si62a5d@4ax.com>
Date: 8 Feb 2004 23:12:27 GMT
The above proves the Communist Party has backed the Democratic Party in America,
how Jesse Jackson has been a useful idiot of communists, and how our Congress is
infested with Democratic Socialists and their ultimate agenda on us. Their own
"fight songs" describe slitting our throats! NO, I AM NOT JOKING!!
More on the Democratic Party being an instrument of Communism:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5vs5jv80jhvkdjlp8jbmo8fqqp3nd5kd7r%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Are Democrats Now Communists? R_0807
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 19:50:56 -0500
Message-ID: <5vs5jv80jhvkdjlp8jbmo8fqqp3nd5kd7r@4ax.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=nifg20hqpj0orbd835p8dipefccs8qnd5n%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Communist Party USA Backed Democrats! (Their Own Words Too!) S_0209
Message-ID: <nifg20hqpj0orbd835p8dipefccs8qnd5n@4ax.com>
Date: 10 Feb 2004 02:13:39 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=dkfg2018b30mff46cof4f8chgki4oe80tt%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Former President (and traitor) Bill Clinton's Ties to Communists (as
well as Al Gore Jr's) S_0209
Message-ID: <dkfg2018b30mff46cof4f8chgki4oe80tt@4ax.com>
Date: 10 Feb 2004 02:13:47 GMT
Communists don't believe in fair elections either as evidenced in this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=fhgfvv8l8f5gf3uikpml6b07hslr2jbmdq%404ax.com&rnum=8
Subject: Democrats and Voter Fraud Documented and The Communist Backing They
Receive (For your archives) S_0104
Message-ID: <fhgfvv8l8f5gf3uikpml6b07hslr2jbmdq@4ax.com>
Date: 4 Jan 2004 07:34:09 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=v4mqru8ompl4chja2u4m8fsol7taugm9it%404ax.com&rnum=8
Subject: Expansion #1 Democrats Just Don't Get It! Tavish Personal Opinions and
Observations Message-ID: <v4mqru8ompl4chja2u4m8fsol7taugm9it@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Oct 2002 16:04:17 GMT
Here is the "World's Largest Jewish Organization" giving financial and moral
support to communist David Lethbridge:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=4186tvsr4d3oiodp2nibbuvuj91rakvimb%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED! B'nai Brith Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge
Against Capitalism, and Christianity V2.0 R_1207
Message-ID: <4186tvsr4d3oiodp2nibbuvuj91rakvimb@4ax.com>
Date: 7 Dec 2003 12:48:39 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=l818d019h5pg9guoe9oto3pq5k6q18qcpj@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: UPDATED!! Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The
Numbers>>> V4.0 S_0619
Message-ID: <l818d019h5pg9guoe9oto3pq5k6q18qcpj@4ax.com>
Date: 19 Jun 2004 09:12:55 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ujhqnv0gkvjc1vghi19v7m87ffirtfga20%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Communist Goals (1963) R_1003
Message-ID: <ujhqnv0gkvjc1vghi19v7m87ffirtfga20@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Oct 2003 09:51:33 GMT
Tavish
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=u626vv814v0dt9raqv17ede0h4536l51ag%404ax.com&rnum=10&filter=0
Subject: V3.0e Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism R_1231
Message-ID: <u626vv814v0dt9raqv17ede0h4536l51ag@4ax.com>
Date: 31 Dec 2003 17:34:02 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1i7810p7itigphaaq2aogggv9r7mjlgeo4@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
Message-ID: <1i7810p7itigphaaq2aogggv9r7mjlgeo4@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
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Title: Re: Who says Socialism and Communism aren't the same and are adhered to by the same people? CP USA Speaks out! V2.5 S_0629	29 Jun 2004 12:31:25 PM

Always nice to see republican bigots out for a stroll. Reminds us all whi
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User: "Ward Cleaver"
Title: Re: Who says Socialism and Communism aren't the same and are adhered to by the same people? CP USA Speaks out! V2.5 S_0629	29 Jun 2004 01:17:58 PM

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:31:25 -0500, <cbs97l$qij$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu> "sparrow"
<c-bee1@uiuc.edu> wrote:

Always nice to see republican bigots out for a stroll. Reminds us all whi
is the real party of hate.

So I guess the Communist supported Dems are the party of love!
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Title: Re: Who says Socialism and Communism aren't the same and are adhered to by the same people? CP USA Speaks out! V2.5 S_0629	29 Jun 2004 01:31:14 PM