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"blackmantis" |
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01 Nov 2004 02:07:17 PM |
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Who should White people vote for and Why? |
I don't know who I should vote for.
I have always voted Republican in the past,but I am really
disappointed in Bush,with his kissing of Jew asses,and pro Israel
stance.
Kerry is the same way on that one,but I see him as worse,cause he is
part Jew.
The problem I am having is this. I think Bush would be less
harmful,but he also signed new legislation to give amnesty to,200,000
mexicoons,and also signed legislation to help subsidize minorities,to
help them buy houses.
I guess that way it will make it easier for the mud people to get
in,and destroy property values on more White neighborhoods.
Then again a vote for Nader or the Libertarians,is a vote thrown away.
I come to this board a lot now,and I have learned a lot from you
people.
I have learned something everytime I log in,and respect you guys
opinions. I value your opinions.I do not agree with some of them,but I
can tell your a pretty smart,thinking group.
Thats a lot more then I can say for most forums,and people for that
matter,so let me know what you think.
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| User: "MustKillMoe-Wheee!" |
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| Title: Re: Who should White people vote for and Why? |
01 Nov 2004 04:05:08 PM |
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"blackmantis" <blackmantispoc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dd851ff8.0411011207.500f3438@posting.google.com...
I don't know who I should vote for.
I have always voted Republican in the past,but I am really
disappointed in Bush,with his kissing of Jew asses,and pro Israel
stance.
Kerry is the same way on that one,but I see him as worse,cause he is
part Jew.
The problem I am having is this. I think Bush would be less
harmful,but he also signed new legislation to give amnesty to,200,000
mexicoons,and also signed legislation to help subsidize minorities,to
help them buy houses.
I guess that way it will make it easier for the mud people to get
in,and destroy property values on more White neighborhoods.
Then again a vote for Nader or the Libertarians,is a vote thrown away.
I come to this board a lot now,and I have learned a lot from you
people.
I have learned something everytime I log in,and respect you guys
opinions. I value your opinions.I do not agree with some of them,but I
can tell your a pretty smart,thinking group.
Thats a lot more then I can say for most forums,and people for that
matter,so let me know what you think.
I agree with what you're saying, especially the Mexican thing. That goes
against everything we republicans stand for! I almost fell off my chair
when I heard about this a few months ago.
Bush has also handled Iraq about as poorly as possible. I mean, war is
hell, and there's always gonna be mistakes, but the situation we're in now
is just ridiculous.
Personally, I don't really like Kerry, but I think it's time for a change.
Now if Guiliani or John McCain were running, they'd get my vote without
question.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Who should White people vote for and Why? |
01 Nov 2004 09:08:44 PM |
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"MustKillMoe-Wheee!" <f@home.com> wrote in message
news:oqyhd.37213$4C.10779675@twister.nyc.rr.com...
"blackmantis" <blackmantispoc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dd851ff8.0411011207.500f3438@posting.google.com...
I don't know who I should vote for.
I have always voted Republican in the past,but I am really
disappointed in Bush,with his kissing of Jew asses,and pro Israel
stance.
Kerry is the same way on that one,but I see him as worse,cause he is
part Jew.
The problem I am having is this. I think Bush would be less
harmful,but he also signed new legislation to give amnesty to,200,000
mexicoons,and also signed legislation to help subsidize minorities,to
help them buy houses.
I guess that way it will make it easier for the mud people to get
in,and destroy property values on more White neighborhoods.
Then again a vote for Nader or the Libertarians,is a vote thrown away.
I come to this board a lot now,and I have learned a lot from you
people.
I have learned something everytime I log in,and respect you guys
opinions. I value your opinions.I do not agree with some of them,but I
can tell your a pretty smart,thinking group.
Thats a lot more then I can say for most forums,and people for that
matter,so let me know what you think.
I agree with what you're saying, especially the Mexican thing. That goes
against everything we republicans stand for! I almost fell off my chair
when I heard about this a few months ago.
Bush has also handled Iraq about as poorly as possible. I mean, war is
hell, and there's always gonna be mistakes, but the situation we're in now
is just ridiculous.
Personally, I don't really like Kerry, but I think it's time for a change.
Now if Guiliani or John McCain were running, they'd get my vote without
question.
Back in July or August, a very intriguing idea was being tossed about:
Kerry/McCain '04.
*That* would have been a shoe-in.
Personally, I worry that Edwards doesn't have the seasoning to be VP. I
don't doubt his abilities, I just question his 'clout.'
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "Michael Alden" |
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02 Nov 2004 02:07:31 AM |
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Isn't there some Neo-Nazi candidate running? Or you could write in Adolf Hitler.
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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02 Nov 2004 12:28:23 PM |
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Isn't there some Neo-Nazi candidate running? Or you could write in Adolf
Hitler.
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Some states permit write-ins, some don't
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| User: "Osprey" |
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01 Nov 2004 02:15:35 PM |
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"blackmantis" <blackmantispoc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dd851ff8.0411011207.500f3438@posting.google.com...
I don't know who I should vote for.
I have always voted Republican in the past,but I am really
disappointed in Bush,with his kissing of Jew asses,and pro Israel
stance.
I am dissappointed too in some areas with Bush, but I still think we should
stand by Israel's side.
Why shouldn't we?
Kerry is the same way on that one,but I see him as worse,cause he is
part Jew.
So? What does Kerry being part Jewish have to do with anything?
The problem I am having is this. I think Bush would be less
harmful,
I agree with you there
but he also signed new legislation to give amnesty to,200,000
mexicoons,and also signed legislation to help subsidize minorities,to
help them buy houses.
One problem I have with our Government, and you can't blame just Bush, we
have hundreds of thousands of poor Americans in need of help, living in
poverty, they should be getting help buying houses.
I have seen documentary's on family's living in the hills of Tennessee,
Kentucky, Virginia..the conditions are horrible, the jobs are not there.
Yet I turn on the T.V. and see commercials for the poor living in other
countries, I have not seen any commercials for the poor living in our own
country.
I guess that way it will make it easier for the mud people to get
in,and destroy property values on more White neighborhoods.
Then again a vote for Nader or the Libertarians,is a vote thrown away.
True
I come to this board a lot now,and I have learned a lot from you
people.
I have learned something everytime I log in,and respect you guys
opinions. I value your opinions.I do not agree with some of them,but I
can tell your a pretty smart,thinking group.
Everyone has opinions, everyone has their reasons, I nor anyone else is in
any position to judge or
really tell someone they are wrong for simply having an opinion. I could be
wrong on many of my opinions, probably am on some. None the less, I have my
opinions, yes we have our biases. I think it takes a truly intelligent
person to recognize that he or she has biases.
Thats a lot more then I can say for most forums,and people for that
matter,so let me know what you think.
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| User: "Attila" |
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01 Nov 2004 03:39:15 PM |
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On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:15:35 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <JNydnQv-0f87BRvcRVn-hw@comcast.com>
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I am dissappointed too in some areas with Bush, but I still think we should
stand by Israel's side.
Why shouldn't we?
I am curious. Why should we?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Nov 2004 11:33:10 AM |
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"blackmantis" <blackmantispoc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dd851ff8.0411011207.500f3438@posting.google.com...
I don't know who I should vote for.
I have always voted Republican in the past,but I am really
disappointed in Bush,with his kissing of Jew asses,and pro Israel
stance.
I am dissappointed too in some areas with Bush, but I still think we should
stand by Israel's side.
Why shouldn't we?
Because Israel routinely violates UN resolutions, violates
international law and the rights of people, kills Palestinians
by the thousands, and does serious damage to US interests.
And because 3000 American died on 9/11 because of Israel.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "tim gueguen" |
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01 Nov 2004 02:51:50 PM |
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"blackmantis" <blackmantispoc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't know who I should vote for.
I'd be more worried about getting your ignorance treated if I were you.
tim gueguen 101867
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| User: "\Guest" |
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01 Nov 2004 04:07:06 PM |
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This site exposes them all!
www.unclet.netfirms.com
Damn toms!
"blackmantis" <blackmantispoc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dd851ff8.0411011207.500f3438@posting.google.com...
I don't know who I should vote for.
I have always voted Republican in the past,but I am really
disappointed in Bush,with his kissing of Jew asses,and pro Israel
stance.
Kerry is the same way on that one,but I see him as worse,cause he is
part Jew.
The problem I am having is this. I think Bush would be less
harmful,but he also signed new legislation to give amnesty to,200,000
mexicoons,and also signed legislation to help subsidize minorities,to
help them buy houses.
I guess that way it will make it easier for the mud people to get
in,and destroy property values on more White neighborhoods.
Then again a vote for Nader or the Libertarians,is a vote thrown away.
But Nader is an Arab.
I come to this board a lot now,and I have learned a lot from you
people.
I have learned something everytime I log in,and respect you guys
opinions. I value your opinions.I do not agree with some of them,but I
can tell your a pretty smart,thinking group.
Thats a lot more then I can say for most forums,and people for that
matter,so let me know what you think.
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| User: "Hecubus" |
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01 Nov 2004 09:52:37 PM |
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(blackmantis) wrote in
news:dd851ff8.0411011207.500f3438@posting.google.com:
I have learned something everytime I log in,and respect you guys
opinions. I value your opinions.I do not agree with some of them,but I
can tell your a pretty smart,thinking group
Which is more than we can say for you, you racist *****!
--
Rick
Visit the Entropy Productions homepage at
http://www.kringlecityconspiracy.com/entropy.htm
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| User: "badlands420" |
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01 Nov 2004 03:38:34 PM |
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Then again a vote for Nader or the Libertarians,is a vote thrown away.
I would argue the opposite to be the case. If Nader or Badnarik (or another
third party candidate) is more representative of your beliefs, and you vote
for Bush or Kerry merely because they have a chance to win, THAT'S when
you've thrown your vote away, because you haven't voted your conscience and
you're contributing to the continuation of an unproductive two-party
monopoly.
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| User: "jayembee" |
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01 Nov 2004 05:52:10 PM |
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"badlands420" <bung@hole.com> wrote:
Then again a vote for Nader or the Libertarians,is a vote thrown away.
I would argue the opposite to be the case. If Nader or Badnarik (or another
third party candidate) is more representative of your beliefs, and you vote
for Bush or Kerry merely because they have a chance to win, THAT'S when
you've thrown your vote away, because you haven't voted your conscience and
you're contributing to the continuation of an unproductive two-party
monopoly.
Not necessarily.
Let's say that you believe that your obligation as a voter is to cast
a vote that you think is in the best interest of the country.
Let's say that you also believe that a win by Major Candidate #1 would
be the worst possibly outcome for the country.
Third, let's say that you believe that the only way to prevent the
election of Major Candidate #1 is to vote for Major Candidate #2,
because he's the only one with a chance in hell of beating MC #1.
In that case, voting for MC #2 would be, in your estimation, voting in
the best interest of the country, even if MC #2 isn't the person you'd
actually prefer to vote for.
-- jayembee
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| User: "badlands420" |
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01 Nov 2004 06:14:02 PM |
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In that case, voting for MC #2 would be, in your estimation, voting in
the best interest of the country, even if MC #2 isn't the person you'd
actually prefer to vote for.
I never really bought into the rationale behind that argument, although I do
understand it. Many Republicans think the 17% of the electorate who voted
for Perot in '92 were directly responsible for Bush Sr's loss to Clinton,
just as many Democrats think the Nader factor was the sole reason for Gore's
defeat in 2000. Personally, I think this is an overly-simplistic manner of
thinking, because it assumes that all those people would have voted for the
same major party candidate had the third party option not been available, or
that they would have voted at all.
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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01 Nov 2004 08:15:40 PM |
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On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:14:02 -0800, "badlands420" <bung@hole.com>
wrote:
In that case, voting for MC #2 would be, in your estimation, voting in
the best interest of the country, even if MC #2 isn't the person you'd
actually prefer to vote for.
I never really bought into the rationale behind that argument, although I do
understand it. Many Republicans think the 17% of the electorate who voted
for Perot in '92 were directly responsible for Bush Sr's loss to Clinton,
just as many Democrats think the Nader factor was the sole reason for Gore's
defeat in 2000. Personally, I think this is an overly-simplistic manner of
thinking, because it assumes that all those people would have voted for the
same major party candidate had the third party option not been available, or
that they would have voted at all.
It would be highly unrealistic to assume all those people would not
have voted, and unlikely to assume that the Nader voters would have
been evenly split or more Republican, had they had no Nader to vote
for.
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| User: "badlands420" |
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02 Nov 2004 10:39:53 AM |
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It would be highly unrealistic to assume all those people would not
have voted, and unlikely to assume that the Nader voters would have
been evenly split or more Republican, had they had no Nader to vote
for.
It's highly unrealistic to hypothesize the actions of an entire block of
voters, in any direction, which was my original point.
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| User: "RichA" |
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01 Nov 2004 08:25:59 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 02:15:40 GMT, (David
Johnston) wrote:
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:14:02 -0800, "badlands420" <bung@hole.com>
wrote:
In that case, voting for MC #2 would be, in your estimation, voting in
the best interest of the country, even if MC #2 isn't the person you'd
actually prefer to vote for.
I never really bought into the rationale behind that argument, although I do
understand it. Many Republicans think the 17% of the electorate who voted
for Perot in '92 were directly responsible for Bush Sr's loss to Clinton,
just as many Democrats think the Nader factor was the sole reason for Gore's
defeat in 2000. Personally, I think this is an overly-simplistic manner of
thinking, because it assumes that all those people would have voted for the
same major party candidate had the third party option not been available, or
that they would have voted at all.
It would be highly unrealistic to assume all those people would not
have voted, and unlikely to assume that the Nader voters would have
been evenly split or more Republican, had they had no Nader to vote
for.
Voter turnout in the U.S. is lousy. I think you manage about
55% during Federal elections and it's much lower for lesser ones.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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01 Nov 2004 09:05:30 PM |
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"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 02:15:40 GMT, (David
Johnston) wrote:
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:14:02 -0800, "badlands420" <bung@hole.com>
wrote:
In that case, voting for MC #2 would be, in your estimation, voting in
the best interest of the country, even if MC #2 isn't the person you'd
actually prefer to vote for.
I never really bought into the rationale behind that argument, although
I do
understand it. Many Republicans think the 17% of the electorate who
voted
for Perot in '92 were directly responsible for Bush Sr's loss to
Clinton,
just as many Democrats think the Nader factor was the sole reason for
Gore's
defeat in 2000. Personally, I think this is an overly-simplistic manner
of
thinking, because it assumes that all those people would have voted for
the
same major party candidate had the third party option not been
available, or
that they would have voted at all.
It would be highly unrealistic to assume all those people would not
have voted, and unlikely to assume that the Nader voters would have
been evenly split or more Republican, had they had no Nader to vote
for.
Voter turnout in the U.S. is lousy. I think you manage about
55% during Federal elections and it's much lower for lesser ones.
There's a feeling afoot that this year is going to be very different. We'll
at least have more information to work from tomorrow at 9:00 pm. (Austin
time)
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "Michael Trigg" |
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03 Nov 2004 12:47:23 AM |
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And Saint jayembee <jayembeenospam@snurcher.com> raised the holy hand grenade of
Antioch up on high, saying,
"badlands420" <bung@hole.com> wrote:
Then again a vote for Nader or the Libertarians,is a vote thrown away.
I would argue the opposite to be the case. If Nader or Badnarik (or another
third party candidate) is more representative of your beliefs, and you vote
for Bush or Kerry merely because they have a chance to win, THAT'S when
you've thrown your vote away, because you haven't voted your conscience and
you're contributing to the continuation of an unproductive two-party
monopoly.
Not necessarily.
Let's say that you believe that your obligation as a voter is to cast
a vote that you think is in the best interest of the country.
Well, if this is your belief then your subsequent statements are logical; however,
I've always felt that the obligation of the voter is to vote for the candidate who
best reprents the voter's tendencies/convictions/outlook. The best interests of the
country can never be served as long as the voter is forced to choose from the lesser
of two evils.
Let's say that you also believe that a win by Major Candidate #1 would
be the worst possibly outcome for the country.
That's easy enough.
Third, let's say that you believe that the only way to prevent the
election of Major Candidate #1 is to vote for Major Candidate #2,
because he's the only one with a chance in hell of beating MC #1.
In that case, voting for MC #2 would be, in your estimation, voting in
the best interest of the country, even if MC #2 isn't the person you'd
actually prefer to vote for.
Again, following your original statement and assuming the belief that you set forth,
I can't argue the logic. But in my estimation, the interests of the country are
better served by an honest voter - voting for the best representative candididate,
that's the only way to really achieve change. At some point those third party
numbers would start to climb to a point where even the two major parties would be
forced to allow the third party candidate into the major debates (I think this is the
key, once the third party guys get into a debate with the big two, neither the Dems
nor the GOP would stand a chance - almost any third party candidate should be able to
tear apart just about any major players record).
In some aspects, I admire the multi-party systems that are in place around the globe,
at least from the angle that there are more than two parties. I think it has
something to do with the fact that I cannot comprehend how 2 people or parties can
come anywhere near accomadating 250 million viewpoints (alright, so neither can 3,
but its a start).
It won't happen until people start voting for the independents and third party
candidates. We'd also need run-off elections to alleviate people's fears of "a
vote for Perot is a vote for Clinton" or more recently, "a vote of Badnarik/Nader/et
al is a vote for Bush,"...but I digress.
I must admit, at the onset of this election year, despite what I have already
written, I was ready to vote for #2 - cause I loathe the idea of #1. But I figured
that no matter what I did - or who won - the size of the government would just keep
expanding, the deficit would continue to grow exponentially, the jobs would still be
exported, the social "saftey-net" programs would continue to hemmorage money, and it
would still be politics-as-usual in Washington. But all that aside, I voted third
party because I found a candidate that I really liked, and I hate being a hypocrite.
I have never felt better about my vote - ever. I have am completely satisfied; I
have no regrets or second thoughts, and it's because I voted FOR somebody (and I've
got a cool fringe-benefit, whoever gets in & screws up, I'll be able to sit back and
say, "hey, I didn't vote for this guy.")
--
Michael Trigg
"...and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped."
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| User: "Darth Maus" |
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| Title: Re: Who should White people vote for and Why? |
02 Nov 2004 03:07:22 AM |
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Darth Vader, because James Earl Jones is black. Oh wait, that has nothing to
do with starwars! Silly me.
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| User: "tom" |
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01 Nov 2004 11:27:50 PM |
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I vote for blackmantis to take his racist comments to another group.
"blackmantis" <blackmantispoc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dd851ff8.0411011207.500f3438@posting.google.com...
I don't know who I should vote for.
I have always voted Republican in the past,but I am really
disappointed in Bush,with his kissing of Jew asses,and pro Israel
stance.
Kerry is the same way on that one,but I see him as worse,cause he is
part Jew.
The problem I am having is this. I think Bush would be less
harmful,but he also signed new legislation to give amnesty to,200,000
mexicoons,and also signed legislation to help subsidize minorities,to
help them buy houses.
I guess that way it will make it easier for the mud people to get
in,and destroy property values on more White neighborhoods.
Then again a vote for Nader or the Libertarians,is a vote thrown away.
I come to this board a lot now,and I have learned a lot from you
people.
I have learned something everytime I log in,and respect you guys
opinions. I value your opinions.I do not agree with some of them,but I
can tell your a pretty smart,thinking group.
Thats a lot more then I can say for most forums,and people for that
matter,so let me know what you think.
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| User: "Ruud Bergs" |
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01 Nov 2004 02:33:48 PM |
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Vote Nader
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Ruud Bergs
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| User: "Halcyon" |
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01 Nov 2004 10:11:27 PM |
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blackmantis wrote:
I don't know who I should vote for.
I have always voted Republican in the past,but I am really
disappointed in Bush,with his kissing of Jew asses,and pro Israel
stance.
Yeah, right. You're nothing but a democrat operative "claiming" to be a
lifelong Republican.
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| User: "tim gueguen" |
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02 Nov 2004 06:36:37 PM |
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"Halcyon" <abuse@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:PNDhd.36451$Mc.34072@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
blackmantis wrote:
I don't know who I should vote for.
I have always voted Republican in the past,but I am really
disappointed in Bush,with his kissing of Jew asses,and pro Israel
stance.
Yeah, right. You're nothing but a democrat operative "claiming" to be a
lifelong Republican.
No, he's probably a Neonazi nitwit who has never voted because he spends too
much time checking for EVIIIIIIIIIIL JOOOOOOOS under his bed.
tim gueguen 101867
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