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User: "Maaxx"
Date: 03 Jul 2005 03:05:04 PM
Object: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed
Bottom line: Absent a character flaw, the president¡¦s nominee will be
confirmed. The short answer is that the GOP has at least 51 solid votes no
matter who the nominee is, and the same majority will break a filibuster.
The president can have whichever nominee he wants. Period. The noise levels
on the left are just a smokescreen for the search-and-destroy operation the
left will run on any nominee¡¦s background, and the new media¡¦s role will be
extraordinarily central, in both bad ways ¡Vthe floating of rumor¡V and good
¡Vthe destruction of false charges.
I expect the nomination announcement early on Monday, July 11, 2005 so that
the weekend dominated by legacy media and liberal law professors don¡¦t get
to define the nominee for 48 hours before the new media, led by talk radio,
gets to set the table.
.

User: "Ike"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 03 Jul 2005 11:23:26 PM
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Bottom line: Absent a character flaw, the president¡¦s nominee will be
confirmed. The short answer is that the GOP has at least 51 solid votes no
matter who the nominee is, and the same majority will break a filibuster.

Why should a character flaw matter? By itself a character flaw means
nothing.
.
User: "Tony P."

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 01:02:52 PM
In article <2R2ye.12685$jX6.8084@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
accordiondoc@mindspring.com says...


"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Bottom line: Absent a character flaw, the president¡¦s nominee will be
confirmed. The short answer is that the GOP has at least 51 solid votes no
matter who the nominee is, and the same majority will break a filibuster.


Why should a character flaw matter? By itself a character flaw means
nothing.

There are damned few people on the short list that don't have character
flaws.
.
User: "BOB"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 01:30:50 PM
Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.cox.reallynospam.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1d3343d734ec63ca98a16a@news.west.cox.net:

In article <2R2ye.12685$jX6.8084@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
accordiondoc@mindspring.com says...


"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Bottom line: Absent a character flaw, the president¡¦s nominee will
be confirmed. The short answer is that the GOP has at least 51
solid votes no matter who the nominee is, and the same majority
will break a filibuster.


Why should a character flaw matter? By itself a character flaw means
nothing.


There are damned few people on the short list that don't have
character flaws.

Clarence Thomas, a liar, sexual harraser and misogynist, made it to the
SCOTUS. Shows you how far we have fallen as a society.
.


User: "t1gercat"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 11:52:05 AM
It depends on the flaw and the spirit of the times. Thomas was alleged
to like porn. Worse than that, he was alleged to have bragged about it
in front of his female co-workers. It's the kind of flaw the press
loves and the public understands. For myself, I think porn is tacky
and low, but I'd be more concerned about the candidate's judicial
reasoning. The porn accusations, of course, as lurid as they were,
were not enought to keep Thomas off the bench.
Judicial reasoning, however, kept Bork from getting a seat. It was a
good thing, too. Bork is a nutcase whose thinking makes little sense.
I read both of his "popular" books," The Tempting of America." and
"Slouching Toward Gomorrah," and in both of them I was appalled at the
murkiness of his legal logic. He writes with compelling, even eloquent
prose, but his thinking slips off into the muck and even his prose
doesn't save it. For Bork there is no right of privacy, due process of
law is a myth, the fundies have a perfect right to compel public
schools to teach their religious beliefs, etc. His selection to the
court would have been a nightmare for conservatives and liberals alike.
We'll see what happens. My guess is that Bush's nominee won't be too
far to the right. After all, the last thing the Pugs want is a
reversal of Roe v. Wade. Such an event would destroy the issue that
gives them their most ardent support.
Wexford
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User: "Ike"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 10:42:20 PM
"t1gercat" <wexford1778@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120495925.527208.251800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

It depends on the flaw and the spirit of the times. Thomas was alleged
to like porn. Worse than that, he was alleged to have bragged about it
in front of his female co-workers. It's the kind of flaw the press
loves and the public understands. For myself, I think porn is tacky
and low, but I'd be more concerned about the candidate's judicial
reasoning. The porn accusations, of course, as lurid as they were,
were not enought to keep Thomas off the bench.

Judicial reasoning, however, kept Bork from getting a seat. It was a
good thing, too. Bork is a nutcase whose thinking makes little sense.
I read both of his "popular" books," The Tempting of America." and
"Slouching Toward Gomorrah," and in both of them I was appalled at the
murkiness of his legal logic. He writes with compelling, even eloquent
prose, but his thinking slips off into the muck and even his prose
doesn't save it. For Bork there is no right of privacy, due process of
law is a myth, the fundies have a perfect right to compel public
schools to teach their religious beliefs, etc. His selection to the
court would have been a nightmare for conservatives and liberals alike.


We'll see what happens. My guess is that Bush's nominee won't be too
far to the right. After all, the last thing the Pugs want is a
reversal of Roe v. Wade. Such an event would destroy the issue that
gives them their most ardent support.

Wexford

They would love a reversal of Roe v. Wade. The dems would scream bloody hell
and the pugs would have a field day bashing them. Part of their strategy is
to get a reaction form the other side and then talk them to death.
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 11:05:37 PM
Ike wrote:

"t1gercat" <wexford1778@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120495925.527208.251800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

It depends on the flaw and the spirit of the times. Thomas was alleged
to like porn. Worse than that, he was alleged to have bragged about it
in front of his female co-workers. It's the kind of flaw the press
loves and the public understands. For myself, I think porn is tacky
and low, but I'd be more concerned about the candidate's judicial
reasoning. The porn accusations, of course, as lurid as they were,
were not enought to keep Thomas off the bench.

Judicial reasoning, however, kept Bork from getting a seat. It was a
good thing, too. Bork is a nutcase whose thinking makes little sense.
I read both of his "popular" books," The Tempting of America." and
"Slouching Toward Gomorrah," and in both of them I was appalled at the
murkiness of his legal logic. He writes with compelling, even eloquent
prose, but his thinking slips off into the muck and even his prose
doesn't save it. For Bork there is no right of privacy, due process of
law is a myth, the fundies have a perfect right to compel public
schools to teach their religious beliefs, etc. His selection to the
court would have been a nightmare for conservatives and liberals alike.


We'll see what happens. My guess is that Bush's nominee won't be too
far to the right. After all, the last thing the Pugs want is a
reversal of Roe v. Wade. Such an event would destroy the issue that
gives them their most ardent support.

Wexford

They would love a reversal of Roe v. Wade. The dems would scream bloody hell
and the pugs would have a field day bashing them. Part of their strategy is
to get a reaction form the other side and then talk them to death.

I doubt either party would do something that drastic. If anything we
may see a push towards the banning of partial birth abortions and there
will most likely be a compramise that will include the exception of a
woman's life being in danger.
Politics is politics, it's dirty and dishonest. Always has been,
always will be.
The politicians don't need to worry about doing too much bickering,
they know that their loyal followers will fight for them while they
probably meet at the country club and have a steak dinner.
.

User: "t1gercat"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 05 Jul 2005 11:40:24 AM
The problem for the wingnuts, however, is the female vote. The "Dems"
wouldn't be screaming. They'd simply let the women (both Republican
and Democratic) scream, and the women can decide an election. The last
stats I saw, among REPUBLICANS, 70% favored abortion rights. With the
pub party acting less like traditional Pugs (unimaginative but at least
cautious versus reckless, wasteful and stupid), a Roe V. Wade reversal
could split them, and would, in any event, spoil any enthusiasm the
mothers of America have for the family party. Many are already
disgusted with the so-called "war on terrorism," which seems more like
a war for oil and ego. The evaporation of abortion rights could very
well push them over the edge.
I wouldn't rely on the fundies for unconditional support, either. As
fundie as a family is, it is a comfort to know that if your 15 year old
daughter gets knocked-up by Bubba you can get her out it for a few
hundred bucks and a 2 day recovery time. It's also one hell of a lot
cheaper in both the short and long terms than having the kid.
Wexford
.




User: "Andrealphus"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 03 Jul 2005 03:29:46 PM
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Bottom line: Absent a character flaw, the president¡¦s nominee will be
confirmed. The short answer is that the GOP has at least 51 solid votes no
matter who the nominee is, and the same majority will break a filibuster.

It takes 60 to break a filibuster.
.
User: "Arturo Magidin"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 03 Jul 2005 03:32:28 PM
In article <_UXxe.15618$pa3.14973@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Andrealphus <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:


"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1exgvcdxe8zzp.dlg@sec12-astroblaster.pepsi.com...

Bottom line: Absent a character flaw, the president¡¦s nominee will be
confirmed. The short answer is that the GOP has at least 51 solid votes no
matter who the nominee is, and the same majority will break a filibuster.


It takes 60 to break a filibuster.

Not if they are willing to change the rules.
--
======================================================================
"It's not denial. I'm just very selective about
what I accept as reality."
--- Calvin ("Calvin and Hobbes")
======================================================================
Arturo Magidin
magidin@math.berkeley.edu
.
User: "50,000,000 Liberated"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 03 Jul 2005 06:28:28 PM
<Adenoid-Hinkel@LoonyRighwing.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:32:28 +0000 (UTC),


(Arturo Magidin) wrote:

In article <_UXxe.15618$pa3.14973@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Andrealphus <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:


"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Bottom line: Absent a character flaw, the president¡¦s nominee will be
confirmed. The short answer is that the GOP has at least 51 solid votes
no
matter who the nominee is, and the same majority will break a
filibuster.


It takes 60 to break a filibuster.


Not if they are willing to change the rules.


The mood of the country has shifted in the last year about dumbya and
his agenda.

It would be a disaster for republicans to toss out 230 years of senate
tradition---whether or not they got justices they want

In that 230 years, no judicial nominee has ever been blocked by filibuster
until the radical, America-hating neo-coms started it last year. Liberals
HATE democracy.
--
Liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being.
They are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded,
selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.
www.liberalscum.com
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 12:21:12 AM
On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 18:28:28 -0500, "50,000,000 Liberated"
<j,hv7b@klbdc7.com> wrote:

It would be a disaster for republicans to toss out 230 years of senate
tradition---whether or not they got justices they want


In that 230 years, no judicial nominee has ever been blocked by filibuster
until the radical, America-hating neo-coms started it last year. Liberals
HATE democracy.

In that 230 years, no lying, coke-addled, brain-dead, self-serving
sonofabitch like dumbya allowed religious nuts to dictate his agenda
for him
WHATEVER it takes to keep those cocksuckers out of OUR government is
Americanism at it's finest.

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User: "WF Peifer"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 03 Jul 2005 04:05:20 PM
"Arturo Magidin" <magidin@math.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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Not if they are willing to change the rules.

It takes 67 to break a filibuster on a proposed rule change . . . unless
Frist is determined to break the rules on changing the rules with his
"Nuclear Option", a move that will cost him support for his 2008
Presidential bid.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 03 Jul 2005 04:29:44 PM
On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:05:20 -0600, "WF Peifer" <wfpeifer@nospam.com>
wrote:

"Arturo Magidin" <magidin@math.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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Not if they are willing to change the rules.


It takes 67 to break a filibuster on a proposed rule change . . . unless
Frist is determined to break the rules on changing the rules with his
"Nuclear Option", a move that will cost him support for his 2008
Presidential bid.

No, to change a senate rule doesn't require cloture.
Cheney could (and would) be called in to preside, and a bare majority
is all that it takes to change the cloture rule relating to Judicial
appointments.

===============================================================================================
"...."Positive polarization" has given the party a hateful and frightening face, ushering in
spates of gay-bashing, intolerance toward legal immigrants and declarations of a "Christian nation,
" essentially telling Jews and those outside of fundamentalist Christianity to get lost. Over the
last two general elections, the state GOP in California has been virtually annihilated.
Even Southern voters are clearly moving on. In the '98 elections, GOP candidates were toppled in
Alabama, Georgia and the Carolinas. But party leadership seems reluctant to hear the message..."
Edward Tafel---Log Cabin Republicans

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User: "WF Peifer"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 02:30:41 AM
<Adenoid-Hinkel@LoonyRighwing.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:05:20 -0600, "WF Peifer" <wfpeifer@nospam.com>
wrote:

"Arturo Magidin" <magidin@math.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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Not if they are willing to change the rules.


It takes 67 to break a filibuster on a proposed rule change . . . unless
Frist is determined to break the rules on changing the rules with his
"Nuclear Option", a move that will cost him support for his 2008
Presidential bid.


No, to change a senate rule doesn't require cloture.

If the proposed rule change itself is filibustered, it does indeed require
cloture. Per Rule 22, normal cloture requires three-fifths of the Senate
(always 60, regardless of how many are actually present), but cloture on a
filibuster of a rule change requires 2/3 of those present (anywhere from 2
to 67, dependent on attendence):
http://rules.senate.gov/senaterules/rule22.htm
"And if that question shall be decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of
the Senators duly chosen and sworn -- except on a measure or motion to amend
the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be
two-thirds of the Senators present and voting -- then said measure, motion,
or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, shall
be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all other business until
disposed of."

Cheney could (and would) be called in to preside, and a bare majority
is all that it takes to change the cloture rule relating to Judicial
appointments.

Read the whole rule. The concept of the "Nuclear Option" is for the
Republicans to attempt to change the rule. The Democrats would surely
filibuster the proposed rule change . . . a filibuster that would require
special cloture of 2/3 of those present. Frist would then request that the
chair (Cheney) make a ruling that Rule 22 is invalid. Obviously, it's not,
since it's been around and used frequently for over two centuries, but the
assumption is that the chair would so rule. Someone on the Democratic side
would lodge a complaint that the chair had overstepped its bounds. Someone
on the Republican side would then move to table the discussion regarding the
chair's authority. Tabling is a procedural motion, and the rules say that
procedural motions cannot be filibustered, and only need a simple majority
to pass. With the complaint regarding the chair's authority tabled, the
chair's ruling would be upheld, and Rule 22 would suddenly disappear. It's
intentionally breaking the rules to change the rules.
.

User: "blazing laser none"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 03 Jul 2005 07:08:23 PM
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:29:44 -0600,

wrote:

No, to change a senate rule doesn't require cloture.

Cheney could (and would) be called in to preside, and a bare majority
is all that it takes to change the cloture rule relating to Judicial
appointments.

If that's true (and I'm not challenging it) then why haven't they done
it already? Why did Frist bust his ***** to avoid the 'nuclear option'?
Obviously this is going to be more complicated than just sailing
through committee and then sailing through the Senate on a bare
majority.
I'm not ready to place any bets here, but this might shape up to be a
no-win situation for Bush. As weak as he is at the moment, it might
do some real damage to him.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 12:19:14 AM
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 17:08:23 -0700, blazing laser <none> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:29:44 -0600,


wrote:

No, to change a senate rule doesn't require cloture.

Cheney could (and would) be called in to preside, and a bare majority
is all that it takes to change the cloture rule relating to Judicial
appointments.


If that's true (and I'm not challenging it) then why haven't they done
it already? Why did Frist bust his ***** to avoid the 'nuclear option'?

Frist didn't. If you heard Frist did, then you need a more serious
source of news.
Frist is the one threatening to change rules. The ones who halted it,
are 14 "centrists" who have more respect for the instutition than most
of the newly elected former house republicans

I'm not ready to place any bets here, but this might shape up to be a
no-win situation for Bush. As weak as he is at the moment, it might
do some real damage to him.

The most damage done was to Frist
You must take into consideration the base of the GOP. Every
republican is literally held hostage to the Dobson/Falwell/Robertson
media empire. In any single weekend, those three can (and I mean CAN)
put out a call for tens of millions of dollars, set up massive
campaign staffs, and either help, or declare war on any GOP candidate
who does not obey.
Dobson did that to Neut Gingrich in (1994, I believe) leading up to
the vetoed bills by Clinton in Spring 1995, and culminated with them
shutting down government--- which led to single digit popularity of
the GOP---which in turn prompted CPAC republicans to fund the American
Spectator article and the Jones/Lewinsky Smear
Point is, that nothing in GOP politics is done without complete
agreement from the Religious Reich.

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User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 12:48:26 AM
blazing laser <none> wrote:

I'm not ready to place any bets here, but this might shape up to be a
no-win situation for Bush. As weak as he is at the moment, it might
do some real damage to him.

What have you seen that would indicate that he gives a *****?
He's already rejected 90% of the populace and aligned himself
with the extreme right-wing minority.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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User: "Maaxx"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 08:40:04 AM
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:daaij9$9he$1@bolt.sonic.net:

blazing laser <none> wrote:

I'm not ready to place any bets here, but this might shape up to be a
no-win situation for Bush. As weak as he is at the moment, it might
do some real damage to him.


What have you seen that would indicate that he gives a *****?
He's already rejected 90% of the populace and aligned himself
with the extreme right-wing minority.

Bush is no right winger. He's no different than the big government Democrats.
.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 02:04:12 PM
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in

blazing laser <none> wrote:

I'm not ready to place any bets here, but this might shape up to be a
no-win situation for Bush. As weak as he is at the moment, it might
do some real damage to him.


What have you seen that would indicate that he gives a *****?
He's already rejected 90% of the populace and aligned himself
with the extreme right-wing minority.


Bush is no right winger. He's no different than the big government Democrats.

What a moron.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.


User: "Maaxx"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 08:46:02 AM
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:daaij9$9he$1@bolt.sonic.net:

blazing laser <none> wrote:

I'm not ready to place any bets here, but this might shape up to be a
no-win situation for Bush. As weak as he is at the moment, it might
do some real damage to him.


What have you seen that would indicate that he gives a *****?
He's already rejected 90% of the populace and aligned himself
with the extreme right-wing minority.

I bet you didn't know that after the constitution was ratified many of the
states had laws that only allowed Christians to hold public office.
.
User: "Andrealphus"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 09:40:59 AM
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:daaij9$9he$1@bolt.sonic.net:

blazing laser <none> wrote:

I'm not ready to place any bets here, but this might shape up to be a
no-win situation for Bush. As weak as he is at the moment, it might
do some real damage to him.


What have you seen that would indicate that he gives a *****?
He's already rejected 90% of the populace and aligned himself
with the extreme right-wing minority.


I bet you didn't know that after the constitution was ratified many of the
states had laws that only allowed Christians to hold public office.

That were subsequently challenged and done away with.
.



User: "Maaxx"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 08:38:27 AM
blazing laser <none> wrote in
news:b3vgc1p60ujnes70i640trqm6fb2cd726m@4ax.com:

I'm not ready to place any bets here, but this might shape up to be a
no-win situation for Bush. As weak as he is at the moment, it might
do some real damage to him.

Do you think he cares? He's not up for reelection.
.
User: "blazing laser none"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 12:37:01 PM
I said:

I'm not ready to place any bets here, but this might shape up to be a
no-win situation for Bush. As weak as he is at the moment, it might
do some real damage to him.

Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:

Do you think he cares? He's not up for reelection.

He's thinking of his legacy, his place in history books. He's
realizing he's wasted most of his time in office, even with a friendly
Congress. The invasion of Iraq hasn't turned out to be the slam-dunk
he was expecting.
Also, when people say 'Bush says . . . ' or 'Bush thinks . . . ' or
even 'Bush did . . . ' they're not really talking about Bush himself
but about a cabal of neo-con/pnac policy makers who are in charge of
his administration. Bush himself actually says/does/ thinks very
little. He's really no more than a mascot--Bush is no more in charge
of the Bush Administration than Ronald McDonald is in charge of
McDonalds. That controlling cabal, those people have clearly-defined
goals and they're blowing it big-time.
.





User: "Peacenik"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 09:43:45 AM
"Arturo Magidin" <magidin@math.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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In article <_UXxe.15618$pa3.14973@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Andrealphus <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:


"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Bottom line: Absent a character flaw, the president¡¦s nominee will be
confirmed. The short answer is that the GOP has at least 51 solid votes

no

matter who the nominee is, and the same majority will break a

filibuster.


It takes 60 to break a filibuster.


Not if they are willing to change the rules.

They struck a deal that says they will not change the rules. If the
Republicans change the rules, it would be blatant treachery.
.
User: "Maaxx"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 09:45:10 AM
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Arturo Magidin" <magidin@math.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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In article <_UXxe.15618$pa3.14973@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Andrealphus <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:

"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Bottom line: Absent a character flaw, the president¡¦s nominee will
be confirmed. The short answer is that the GOP has at least 51 solid
votes no matter who the nominee is, and the same majority will break
a filibuster.


It takes 60 to break a filibuster.


Not if they are willing to change the rules.


They struck a deal that says they will not change the rules. If the
Republicans change the rules, it would be blatant treachery.

Unless Democrats break the deal.
.


User: "Andrealphus"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 03 Jul 2005 03:35:17 PM
"Arturo Magidin" <magidin@math.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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In article <_UXxe.15618$pa3.14973@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Andrealphus <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:


"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Bottom line: Absent a character flaw, the president¡¦s nominee will be
confirmed. The short answer is that the GOP has at least 51 solid votes
no
matter who the nominee is, and the same majority will break a
filibuster.


It takes 60 to break a filibuster.


Not if they are willing to change the rules.

Which they haven't, and it takes 60 to break a fillibuster.
.



User: "Maaxx"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 09:44:12 AM
wrote in
news:tklgc1lrmccji0reglnr7k7jajtu5v3710@4ax.com:

On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:05:04 -0400, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:

The president can have whichever nominee he wants. Period.


oh, is Judge Bork back in running?

The noise levels on the left are just a smokescreen for the
search-and-destroy operation the left will run on any nominee¡¦s
background,


The only significant data about a nominee is whether or not that
He/she/they can constitutionally support the past doctrines that gave
us Marbury v Madison, Gideon v Wainwright, and Rov v. Wade.

Notice the question will be about constitutional doctrine and the
judicial philosophy that engenders(ed) it.

Bork was defeated for the reason that he said: "I cannot find any
contitutional grounds for (those 3 aforementioned). That proved his
downfall

IOW, when a judge answers that his philosophy is so narrow as to
exclude 200 years of acceptible judical rulings, they will fail.

Even if 200 yearts of accepted judicial rulings are wrong?
.
User: "Andrealphus"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 09:46:08 AM
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Adenoid-Hinkel@LoonyRighwing.com wrote in
news:tklgc1lrmccji0reglnr7k7jajtu5v3710@4ax.com:

On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:05:04 -0400, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:

The president can have whichever nominee he wants. Period.


oh, is Judge Bork back in running?

The noise levels on the left are just a smokescreen for the
search-and-destroy operation the left will run on any nominee¡¦s
background,


The only significant data about a nominee is whether or not that
He/she/they can constitutionally support the past doctrines that gave
us Marbury v Madison, Gideon v Wainwright, and Rov v. Wade.

Notice the question will be about constitutional doctrine and the
judicial philosophy that engenders(ed) it.

Bork was defeated for the reason that he said: "I cannot find any
contitutional grounds for (those 3 aforementioned). That proved his
downfall

IOW, when a judge answers that his philosophy is so narrow as to
exclude 200 years of acceptible judical rulings, they will fail.


Even if 200 yearts of accepted judicial rulings are wrong?

Who says they were wrong?
.
User: "Maaxx"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 09:46:49 AM
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
news:QYbye.16082$pa3.5114@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:42c94b3c$0$253$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...

Adenoid-Hinkel@LoonyRighwing.com wrote in
news:tklgc1lrmccji0reglnr7k7jajtu5v3710@4ax.com:

On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:05:04 -0400, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:

The president can have whichever nominee he wants. Period.


oh, is Judge Bork back in running?

The noise levels on the left are just a smokescreen for the
search-and-destroy operation the left will run on any nominee¡¦s
background,


The only significant data about a nominee is whether or not that
He/she/they can constitutionally support the past doctrines that gave
us Marbury v Madison, Gideon v Wainwright, and Rov v. Wade.

Notice the question will be about constitutional doctrine and the
judicial philosophy that engenders(ed) it.

Bork was defeated for the reason that he said: "I cannot find any
contitutional grounds for (those 3 aforementioned). That proved his
downfall

IOW, when a judge answers that his philosophy is so narrow as to
exclude 200 years of acceptible judical rulings, they will fail.


Even if 200 yearts of accepted judicial rulings are wrong?


Who says they were wrong?

The Constitution.
.
User: "Andrealphus"

Title: Re: Whoever Bush nominates to SCOTUS will be confirmed 04 Jul 2005 09:52:35 AM
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
news:QYbye.16082$pa3.5114@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:42c94b3c$0$253$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...

Adenoid-Hinkel@LoonyRighwing.com wrote in
news:tklgc1lrmccji0reglnr7k7jajtu5v3710@4ax.com:

On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:05:04 -0400, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:

The president can have whichever nominee he wants. Period.


oh, is Judge Bork back in running?

The noise levels on the left are just a smokescreen for the
search-and-destroy operation the left will run on any nominee¡¦s
background,


The only significant data about a nominee is whether or not that
He/she/they can constitutionally support the past doctrines that gave
us Marbury v Madison, Gideon v Wainwright, and Rov v. Wade.

Notice the question will be about constitutional doctrine and the
judicial philosophy that engenders(ed) it.

Bork was defeated for the reason that he said: "I cannot find any
contitutional grounds for (those 3 aforementioned). That proved his
downfall

IOW, when a judge answers that his philosophy is so narrow as to
exclude 200 years of acceptible judical rulings, they will fail.


Even if 200 yearts of accepted judicial rulings are wrong?


Who says they were wrong?


The Constitution.

Suuuureee it does. LOL!
.





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