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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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Why Are Liberals Declaring War On Children |
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/09/01/714/
Declaring War on Children
Not everyone can have children, and not everyone wants children.
That's OK. There is no law mandating fecundity. For various reasons,
many may want to forgo the whole involved process of bearing and
raising children.
But the norm throughout human history has of course been both the
desire and the willingness to have children. The minority which does
not want, or cannot have, children is nicely offset by the majority
that does or can.
But what is unusual is the growing anti-child movement that has
emerged in the West. There may be various reasons for such sentiments:
e.g., misplaced concerns about population, and the like. But many of
the motivations are much less lofty and much more disturbing.
I refer to those who simply don't like children, and want to let
everyone else know it. Some don't like kids simply because they
interfere with their lifestyles. In 2000 David and Susan Moore wrote
Child-Free Zone: Why More People Are Choosing Not to Be Parents. It
laid out the case for enjoying adulthood, free of the constraints of
children.
But some don't like kids because, well, they don't like kids. In fact,
they can't stand the little blighters. One woman who seems to
positively loathe children is Corinne Maier. She happens to be French,
which might explain some things, but she is quite clear about her
disgust of children. In her book, No Kids: 40 Reasons for Not Having a
Child, she makes it plain that she considers children to be savages,
little tyrants and nuisances that are simply a pain in the neck.
A recent article in the Herald Sun by Bryan Patterson highlights the
woman and her book. It makes for scary reading. "Every family is a
nest of vipers," she informs us. And she hates everything that has to
do with children: Disneyland, McDonalds, the Disney Channel, and so
on.
Some of the reasons she gives for not having kids include: you have to
speak like an idiot to communicate with children; children are
capricious tyrants; families are nightmares; and staying at home with
toddlers makes you dull.
What makes her remarks all the more alarming and disconcerting are two
facts. One, she happens to have two children of her own, but she
"bitterly regrets" having them. She says if it were not for her kids,
she would have spent her money "travelling the world". Imagine how the
two kids must feel, having such a wonderful mum as that.
But a second fact must be noted. This is a woman who lives in a
country where the fertility rate is just below replacement level, and
she lives in a continent where it is well below the 2.1 children per
woman replacement level.
The French total fertility rate (TFR) is 1.98, while the TFR of the
European Union is 1.5. Holland is down to 1.66, Germany to 1.4, and
Italy and Spain both down to 1.29. America is one of the few Western
nations to almost just hold its own, with 2.09 children per woman.
Now is not the time to be warning adults about not having kids. The
entire Western world is caught up in a birth dearth, and what is
needed more than ever is more children, not less.
The facts and figures about population decline have been discussed
elsewhere on this site. Simply put, the West is involved in a
population implosion, and desperate measures are needed to turn things
around. Immigration is the only thing that is keeping some countries
from experiencing even disastrously lower levels of population.
But as troublesome as those demographics are, we must return to Ms
Maier. The 43 year old economist and psychoanalyst just may require
some psychoanalysis herself. Why this morbid and neurotic hatred of
children? Why this complete absorption with self, at the expense of
even her own children?
She says breastfeeding hurts. But a lot of things hurt in life. She
claims birth is torture. But many things we value in life come with a
price. What is she suggesting? That a life of leisure should be our
highest priority and anything that gets in the way of us simply having
a good time should be rejected out of hand? That is what is known as
hedonism, irresponsibility and escaping from reality.
But in a sense she is simply reflecting trends throughout the Western
world. As we become more secularised, more selfish, more
irresponsible, and more fixated on looking out for number one, we can
expect to see more of such anti-child sentiments. Self has become the
new God, and if kids get in the way of us living a completely selfish
life, then let's be rid of them.
Of course this is part of the great liberal death wish. We loathe
everything about Western civilisation that has made us great, and we
are now busily digging our own graves. When the views of Ms Maier
become more mainstream, we really will be on our last legs.
As one English reviewer puts it: "The moral of the story is that
Corinne Maier is desperately French. Her first book was all about how
to milk the generous welfare state, and take as much as you can while
working as little as you can. Her second is little more than a chance
to complain. After all, "Il faut raler" - you've got to complain - is
the national anthem here. British readers would be well advised to
read this book, enjoy it, then throw it in the bin."
Any society that has taken on such a jaundiced and bleak view of life
and humanity that it no longer wishes to reproduce and continue its
own existence has imply signed a suicide warrant. And any society that
begins to look upon children as a burden and a plague, instead of a
blessing and a gift, has clearly lost its way.
Postscript
When my wife first read the Herald Sun article about Ms Maier, she was
rightly indignant. She exclaimed that the ten points listed in the
article (out of 40 in the book) were all laughable and all easily
answered. So she here provides a refutation of the first few listed in
the article. So in a first for this website, I offer the writings of
someone other than myself. She writes:
There's enough misinformation out there about children and childbirth
already, without allowing Maier's denunciation to circulate.
One. Giving birth is torture
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Torture is "the infliction of intense pain to
punish, coerce or afford sadistic pleasure". People suffer for decades
after torture, enduring the despair of it repeatedly in memory; most
need intensive counselling and some never recover fully. On the other
hand, having a baby may sometimes involve intense pain, but it is
limited pain that our bodies were perfectly designed to cope with. For
nine months hormones have been pumping through us to loosen ligaments,
cause practice contractions and prepare us in myriad other ways for
the moment of birth. So we suffer, a little, for perhaps a single day
out of our lives - longer if we are unlucky, only a few hours if we
are fortunate - and those magic hormones even make us forget the pain
afterwards! Nobody that I know of needed psychiatric treatment for
Traumatic Stress Disorder after having a child. On the contrary, the
joy and wonder eclipses every previous sensation.
Two. Breastfeeding hurts.
Life hurts. Falling over hurts, getting stung by a bee hurts. Are we
such wimps we can't stand a little discomfort? Sometimes breastfeeding
does hurt, a bit. I only recall it hurting a couple of times when I
had thrush or mastitis - but it stopped hurting very quickly with
treatment. And I breastfed for over three years of my life (three
separate babies, I hasten to add). Breastfeeding is actually one of
the sexiest things you can do - intensely satisfying for both mother
and baby. The hormones released by breastfeeding are the same ones
released during sex. It's no coincidence that our nipples respond to
sexual stimulation - the stimulation of a tiny mouth eagerly latching
on a nipple is profoundly enjoyable. Males envy us this ability - we
should make the most of it.
Three. Parents lose track of friends.
This is true to some extent - a baby takes over your life fairly
effectively, and single friends have no understanding of the
difficulties you face. Or of the joys you experience. The highlight of
your week may be four hours of uninterrupted sleep. But again, those
wonderful hormones come to your aid and you are able to cope with a
degree of sleeplessness you previously thought would kill you!
Childless friends have no concept of that. But the main thing they
cannot understand is the depth and passion of your feeling for that
child; how nothing is more important, and you never loved before this.
A whole new dimension of love you never knew you were capable of is
opened up. So mixing with childless friends means you have to speak to
them in another language - it's hard to play music with people who are
tone deaf - and you just don't want to do it as much as before.
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25 Sep 2007 08:28:25 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote in message
news:1190729967.874472.149090@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
Now is not the time to be warning adults about not having kids. The
entire Western world is caught up in a birth dearth, and what is
needed more than ever is more children, not less.
Why? Afraid of whites becoming a super-minority in the world?
Muuahahahahhahahahahahahahha! Ph33r the BROWN PEOPLE!!
Moreover, the world is way overpopulated as it is, who why compound the
problem by having more children?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Sep 2007 05:23:20 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:28:25 +0800, "Peacenik"
<cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
Moreover, the world is way overpopulated as it is, who why compound the
problem by having more children?
Bigots want more WHITE children, regardless of what problems
overpopulation causes. It's the NON-WHITES who'll suffer most -
according to their beliefs.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "BUSH Owns Iraqi War" |
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25 Sep 2007 11:31:31 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote in message
news:1190729967.874472.149090@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/09/01/714/
Declaring War on Children
Bush wants American kids all dead.
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| User: "Syd M." |
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25 Sep 2007 03:10:19 PM |
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On Sep 25, 12:31 pm, "BUSH 'Owns' Iraqi War"
<GWBA...@CrawfordRanch.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote in messagenews:1190729967.874472.149090@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/09/01/714/
Declaring War on Children
Bush wants American kids all dead.
***** that.
Bush wants everyone dead.
PDW
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| User: "Geoff" |
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25 Sep 2007 05:35:44 PM |
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Syd M. wrote:
Bush wants American kids all dead.
***** that.
Bush wants everyone dead.
Everyone says the feeling is mutual.
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| User: "Syd M." |
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26 Sep 2007 12:26:18 PM |
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On Sep 25, 6:35 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Syd M. wrote:
Bush wants American kids all dead.
***** that.
Bush wants everyone dead.
Everyone says the feeling is mutual.
Everyone wants Shrub dead, or they want everyone dead?
Anyway, I doubt the Islamist want him dead.. He's to great a
requitment tool.
PDW
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| User: "Geoff" |
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26 Sep 2007 02:35:36 PM |
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Syd M. wrote:
On Sep 25, 6:35 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Syd M. wrote:
Bush wants American kids all dead.
***** that.
Bush wants everyone dead.
Everyone says the feeling is mutual.
Everyone wants Shrub dead, or they want everyone dead?
Anyway, I doubt the Islamist want him dead.. He's to great a
requitment tool.
Point PDW!
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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25 Sep 2007 10:48:54 AM |
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In article <1190729967.874472.149090@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> writes:
Yep, indeed it DOES look like Bush is going to veto the chidlrens'
health care bill.
Thanks for reminding su.
-- cary
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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25 Sep 2007 12:34:03 PM |
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On Sep 25, 7:19 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/09/01/714/
Declaring War on Children
<Snip drivel>
Aw, whassamatta, did we mean ol' childfree people fly in the face of
the Holy Cult of the Child?
Bite me.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Andre Lieven" |
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25 Sep 2007 03:18:34 PM |
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On Sep 25, 1:34 pm, skyeyes <skye...@dakotacow.nut> screeched hate:
On Sep 25, 7:19 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/09/01/714/
Declaring War on Children
<Snip drivel>
Translation: " Evade material that I cannot refute ".
Though, the anti liberal filler was not particularly helpful; Its easy
to
snipe at Straw Targets that one sets up. Given that not a few more
conservative types are doing the same things, this is less about a
particular political affiliation, and is more about a mass cultural
pathology.
Aw, whassamatta, did we mean ol' childfree people fly in the face of
the Holy Cult of the Child?
No. Being someone who never got to be a biological parent myself, I
have no issue with individuals and couples who choose to not have
their own kids. Rather, its the expressions of actual HATE for those
who DO have children that displays a hate centered pathological
view of families.
So much for " tolerance ", oh hypocrite.
Bite me.
No. You likely have not had your shots.
But, that there won't be another one of you is GOOD news.
Plonk.
Andre
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| User: "Medusa" |
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25 Sep 2007 04:04:10 PM |
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On Sep 25, 9:19 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/09/01/714/
Declaring War on Children
Not everyone can have children, and not everyone wants children.
That's OK. There is no law mandating fecundity. For various reasons,
many may want to forgo the whole involved process of bearing and
raising children.
But the norm throughout human history has of course been both the
desire and the willingness to have children. The minority which does
not want, or cannot have, children is nicely offset by the majority
that does or can.
Maybe, just maybe, it's because birth control is legal, available, and
effective; that's why today those who don't want children can still
have a sex life without unwanted pregnancies.
But what is unusual is the growing anti-child movement that has
emerged in the West. There may be various reasons for such sentiments:
e.g., misplaced concerns about population, and the like. But many of
the motivations are much less lofty and much more disturbing.
"Misplaced" concerns about population??? Excuse me, but the planet is
suffering from overpopullation right now. Where I live (Midwestern
United States), suburban sprawl is taking over the land. Farms are
being replaced by housing developments; wild animals are being driven
into areas of human population where they were never seen before, such
as deer in the suburbs of Chicago, and even a frightened (and
frightening) coyote on the streets of the city,
I refer to those who simply don't like children, and want to let
everyone else know it. Some don't like kids simply because they
interfere with their lifestyles. In 2000 David and Susan Moore wrote
Child-Free Zone: Why More People Are Choosing Not to Be Parents. It
laid out the case for enjoying adulthood, free of the constraints of
children.
But some don't like kids because, well, they don't like kids. In fact,
they can't stand the little blighters. One woman who seems to
positively loathe children is Corinne Maier. She happens to be French,
which might explain some things, but she is quite clear about her
disgust of children. In her book, No Kids: 40 Reasons for Not Having a
Child, she makes it plain that she considers children to be savages,
little tyrants and nuisances that are simply a pain in the neck.
Then these people *should NOT* have children. Every child should come
into the world loved and wanted.
A recent article in the Herald Sun by Bryan Patterson highlights the
woman and her book. It makes for scary reading. "Every family is a
nest of vipers," she informs us. And she hates everything that has to
do with children: Disneyland, McDonalds, the Disney Channel, and so
on.
What *****. I chose not to have children, but I still enjoy the
wonder and magic in children that can make your world a better place.
I like to watch children and eavesdrop on what they have to say about
everything and anything. I like interacting with my young relatives
and my friends' children.
Some of the reasons she gives for not having kids include: you have to
speak like an idiot to communicate with children;
She is a fucking idiot; NEVER "talk down" to children; they will see
through you in 10 seconds. I remember the comtempt and disdain I felt
for people who "talked down" to me when I was a child. I thought
*they* were stupid, and I think I was right.
children are
capricious tyrants; families are nightmares;
Only if you treat the children like they are a nuisance!
and staying at home with
toddlers makes you dull.
Staying at home with cats makes you dull, too, if all you do is stay
at home.
What makes her remarks all the more alarming and disconcerting are two
facts. One, she happens to have two children of her own, but she
"bitterly regrets" having them. She says if it were not for her kids,
she would have spent her money "travelling the world". Imagine how the
two kids must feel, having such a wonderful mum as that.
I feel sorry for those children. And I doubt such a close-minded
person would have gotten anything out ot "travelling the world,"
either. I can just hear her whining about how the people in other
countries are doing everything wrong.
But a second fact must be noted. This is a woman who lives in a
country where the fertility rate is just below replacement level, and
she lives in a continent where it is well below the 2.1 children per
woman replacement level.
The French total fertility rate (TFR) is 1.98, while the TFR of the
European Union is 1.5. Holland is down to 1.66, Germany to 1.4, and
Italy and Spain both down to 1.29. America is one of the few Western
nations to almost just hold its own, with 2.09 children per woman.
Now is not the time to be warning adults about not having kids. The
entire Western world is caught up in a birth dearth, and what is
needed more than ever is more children, not less.
More *****. I can see what is coming; the "wrong" types (read
nonwhites) are having all the children.
So the Western world should have more children so that the earth can
reach total overpopulation a few decades sooner.
The facts and figures about population decline have been discussed
elsewhere on this site. Simply put, the West is involved in a
population implosion, and desperate measures are needed to turn things
around. Immigration is the only thing that is keeping some countries
from experiencing even disastrously lower levels of population.
But as troublesome as those demographics are, we must return to Ms
Maier. The 43 year old economist and psychoanalyst just may require
some psychoanalysis herself. Why this morbid and neurotic hatred of
children? Why this complete absorption with self, at the expense of
even her own children?
I think she is just a total ***** who should not have had children.
She says breastfeeding hurts. But a lot of things hurt in life. She
claims birth is torture. But many things we value in life come with a
price. What is she suggesting? That a life of leisure should be our
highest priority and anything that gets in the way of us simply having
a good time should be rejected out of hand? That is what is known as
hedonism, irresponsibility and escaping from reality.
From what I hear from women who have children, breastfeeding can hurt,
and birth is torture. But they feel it was worth it.
But in a sense she is simply reflecting trends throughout the Western
world. As we become more secularised, more selfish, more
irresponsible, and more fixated on looking out for number one, we can
expect to see more of such anti-child sentiments. Self has become the
new God, and if kids get in the way of us living a completely selfish
life, then let's be rid of them.
People who feel that way should not have children. I would feel sorry
(and frightened for) any children they do have.
Of course this is part of the great liberal death wish. We loathe
everything about Western civilisation that has made us great, and we
are now busily digging our own graves. When the views of Ms Maier
become more mainstream, we really will be on our last legs.
A "liberal death wish?" This is pure, unfiltered *****. Many
parents are liberals, and, what's more, they give a damn about the
planet we are going to leave their children. They are concerned about
<shudder to think!> global warming and the state of the environment.
As one English reviewer puts it: "The moral of the story is that
Corinne Maier is desperately French. Her first book was all about how
to milk the generous welfare state, and take as much as you can while
working as little as you can. Her second is little more than a chance
to complain. After all, "Il faut raler" - you've got to complain - is
the national anthem here. British readers would be well advised to
read this book, enjoy it, then throw it in the bin."
Any society that has taken on such a jaundiced and bleak view of life
and humanity that it no longer wishes to reproduce and continue its
own existence has imply signed a suicide warrant. And any society that
begins to look upon children as a burden and a plague, instead of a
blessing and a gift, has clearly lost its way.
Postscript
When my wife first read the Herald Sun article about Ms Maier, she was
rightly indignant. She exclaimed that the ten points listed in the
article (out of 40 in the book) were all laughable and all easily
answered. So she here provides a refutation of the first few listed in
the article. So in a first for this website, I offer the writings of
someone other than myself. She writes:
There's enough misinformation out there about children and childbirth
already, without allowing Maier's denunciation to circulate.
One. Giving birth is torture
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Torture is "the infliction of intense pain to
punish, coerce or afford sadistic pleasure". People suffer for decades
after torture, enduring the despair of it repeatedly in memory; most
need intensive counselling and some never recover fully. On the other
hand, having a baby may sometimes involve intense pain, but it is
limited pain that our bodies were perfectly designed to cope with. For
nine months hormones have been pumping through us to loosen ligaments,
cause practice contractions and prepare us in myriad other ways for
the moment of birth. So we suffer, a little, for perhaps a single day
out of our lives - longer if we are unlucky, only a few hours if we
are fortunate - and those magic hormones even make us forget the pain
afterwards! Nobody that I know of needed psychiatric treatment for
Traumatic Stress Disorder after having a child. On the contrary, the
joy and wonder eclipses every previous sensation.
I wish she were right; I know of women who go into a "postpartum
pychosis" after giving birth. All the sunshine about hormones and
other "preparations" for childbirth didn't work for them. They can
and must be helped; a few of them have even gone so far into insanity
they have murdered their own children. Spreading such ***** isn't
going to help anyone.
Two. Breastfeeding hurts.
Life hurts. Falling over hurts, getting stung by a bee hurts. Are we
such wimps we can't stand a little discomfort? Sometimes breastfeeding
does hurt, a bit. I only recall it hurting a couple of times when I
had thrush or mastitis - but it stopped hurting very quickly with
treatment. And I breastfed for over three years of my life (three
separate babies, I hasten to add).
Reality check time: most women stop breastfeeding when the baby gets
its teeth.
Some women (like my cousin) just couldn't breastfeed because they
don't produce enough milk. Others just can't stand the pain of
cracked nipples; yes, this does happen. My friend stopped after a few
weeks because she said the baby was getting more blood than milk.
You don't have to breastfeed your child at all, though, of course, it
is better for both of you if you do. Mothers who adopt never
breastfeed, but still have the full experience of being a mother.
Breastfeeding is actually one of
the sexiest things you can do - intensely satisfying for both mother
and baby. The hormones released by breastfeeding are the same ones
released during sex. It's no coincidence that our nipples respond to
sexual stimulation - the stimulation of a tiny mouth eagerly latching
on a nipple is profoundly enjoyable. Males envy us this ability - we
should make the most of it.
Don't bank on it. But you're not having a child just so you can
breastfeed it.
What ticks me off is the attitude of some people that breastfeeding is
a sexual act, and it should not be done in a public place, Anywhere
you can feed a baby a bottle, you should be able to breastfeed the
child. I have actually heard of women getting arrested for indecent
exposure while breastfeeding! Absurd.
Three. Parents lose track of friends.
This is true to some extent - a baby takes over your life fairly
effectively, and single friends have no understanding of the
difficulties you face. Or of the joys you experience. The highlight of
your week may be four hours of uninterrupted sleep. But again, those
wonderful hormones come to your aid and you are able to cope with a
degree of sleeplessness you previously thought would kill you!
Childless friends have no concept of that. But the main thing they
cannot understand is the depth and passion of your feeling for that
child; how nothing is more important, and you never loved before this.
A whole new dimension of love you never knew you were capable of is
opened up. So mixing with childless friends means you have to speak to
them in another language - it's hard to play music with people who are
tone deaf - and you just don't want to do it as much as before.
Yeah, right; those of us with no children are just to stupid to "get
it." There is such a thing as "empathy," when you can understand what
others experience without experiencing it yourself, unless, of course,
you are stupid and self-centered. I still have my friends who have
children, though we see less of each other. But I see less of my
friends who have other demanding jobs, who left the area for a job;
life changes, your friends are still your friends, but neither of you
have the time you used to have to spend with each other.
Saying, as this woman does, that spending time with childfree friends
is like trying to play music with tone-deaf people is an insult to
everyone. People who can't play a musical instrument still enjoy
music. People with no children of their own can still enjoy children.
Medusa
AA #2281
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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25 Sep 2007 06:02:48 PM |
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In article <1190754250.382557.214750@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Medusa <Medusa4303@yahoo.com> writes:
On Sep 25, 9:19 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/09/01/714/
Declaring War on Children
Not everyone can have children, and not everyone wants children.
That's OK. There is no law mandating fecundity. For various reasons,
many may want to forgo the whole involved process of bearing and
raising children.
But the norm throughout human history has of course been both the
desire and the willingness to have children. The minority which does
not want, or cannot have, children is nicely offset by the majority
that does or can.
Maybe, just maybe, it's because birth control is legal, available, and
effective; that's why today those who don't want children can still
have a sex life without unwanted pregnancies.
But what is unusual is the growing anti-child movement that has
emerged in the West. There may be various reasons for such sentiments:
e.g., misplaced concerns about population, and the like. But many of
the motivations are much less lofty and much more disturbing.
"Misplaced" concerns about population??? Excuse me, but the planet is
suffering from overpopullation right now. Where I live (Midwestern
United States), suburban sprawl is taking over the land. Farms are
being replaced by housing developments; wild animals are being driven
into areas of human population where they were never seen before, such
as deer in the suburbs of Chicago, and even a frightened (and
frightening) coyote on the streets of the city,
I refer to those who simply don't like children, and want to let
everyone else know it. Some don't like kids simply because they
interfere with their lifestyles. In 2000 David and Susan Moore wrote
Child-Free Zone: Why More People Are Choosing Not to Be Parents. It
laid out the case for enjoying adulthood, free of the constraints of
children.
But some don't like kids because, well, they don't like kids. In fact,
they can't stand the little blighters. One woman who seems to
positively loathe children is Corinne Maier. She happens to be French,
which might explain some things, but she is quite clear about her
disgust of children. In her book, No Kids: 40 Reasons for Not Having a
Child, she makes it plain that she considers children to be savages,
little tyrants and nuisances that are simply a pain in the neck.
Then these people *should NOT* have children. Every child should come
into the world loved and wanted.
A recent article in the Herald Sun by Bryan Patterson highlights the
woman and her book. It makes for scary reading. "Every family is a
nest of vipers," she informs us. And she hates everything that has to
do with children: Disneyland, McDonalds, the Disney Channel, and so
on.
What *****. I chose not to have children, but I still enjoy the
wonder and magic in children that can make your world a better place.
I like to watch children and eavesdrop on what they have to say about
everything and anything. I like interacting with my young relatives
and my friends' children.
Some of the reasons she gives for not having kids include: you have to
speak like an idiot to communicate with children;
She is a fucking idiot; NEVER "talk down" to children; they will see
through you in 10 seconds. I remember the comtempt and disdain I felt
for people who "talked down" to me when I was a child. I thought
*they* were stupid, and I think I was right.
children are
capricious tyrants; families are nightmares;
Only if you treat the children like they are a nuisance!
and staying at home with
toddlers makes you dull.
Staying at home with cats makes you dull, too, if all you do is stay
at home.
What makes her remarks all the more alarming and disconcerting are two
facts. One, she happens to have two children of her own, but she
"bitterly regrets" having them. She says if it were not for her kids,
she would have spent her money "travelling the world". Imagine how the
two kids must feel, having such a wonderful mum as that.
I feel sorry for those children. And I doubt such a close-minded
person would have gotten anything out ot "travelling the world,"
either. I can just hear her whining about how the people in other
countries are doing everything wrong.
But a second fact must be noted. This is a woman who lives in a
country where the fertility rate is just below replacement level, and
she lives in a continent where it is well below the 2.1 children per
woman replacement level.
The French total fertility rate (TFR) is 1.98, while the TFR of the
European Union is 1.5. Holland is down to 1.66, Germany to 1.4, and
Italy and Spain both down to 1.29. America is one of the few Western
nations to almost just hold its own, with 2.09 children per woman.
Now is not the time to be warning adults about not having kids. The
entire Western world is caught up in a birth dearth, and what is
needed more than ever is more children, not less.
More *****. I can see what is coming; the "wrong" types (read
nonwhites) are having all the children.
So the Western world should have more children so that the earth can
reach total overpopulation a few decades sooner.
The facts and figures about population decline have been discussed
elsewhere on this site. Simply put, the West is involved in a
population implosion, and desperate measures are needed to turn things
around. Immigration is the only thing that is keeping some countries
from experiencing even disastrously lower levels of population.
But as troublesome as those demographics are, we must return to Ms
Maier. The 43 year old economist and psychoanalyst just may require
some psychoanalysis herself. Why this morbid and neurotic hatred of
children? Why this complete absorption with self, at the expense of
even her own children?
I think she is just a total ***** who should not have had children.
She says breastfeeding hurts. But a lot of things hurt in life. She
claims birth is torture. But many things we value in life come with a
price. What is she suggesting? That a life of leisure should be our
highest priority and anything that gets in the way of us simply having
a good time should be rejected out of hand? That is what is known as
hedonism, irresponsibility and escaping from reality.
From what I hear from women who have children, breastfeeding can hurt,
and birth is torture. But they feel it was worth it.
But in a sense she is simply reflecting trends throughout the Western
world. As we become more secularised, more selfish, more
irresponsible, and more fixated on looking out for number one, we can
expect to see more of such anti-child sentiments. Self has become the
new God, and if kids get in the way of us living a completely selfish
life, then let's be rid of them.
People who feel that way should not have children. I would feel sorry
(and frightened for) any children they do have.
Ah, but you see it's "selfish" not to want to children. It's
not "selfish" not to want to spend your life helping the
poverty-stricken in the slums of Cairo, it's not "selfish"
not to give every last penny you have so that one more
child won't die of starvation in Ethiopia -- it's not
even "selfish" to think we shouldn't tax the wealthy
like we tax the not so well-off... but it's "selfish"
not to want to have children.
Bast wept.
-- cary
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26 Sep 2007 02:52:21 AM |
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On Sep 25, 6:02 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1190754250.382557.214...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Medusa <Medusa4...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Sep 25, 9:19 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/09/01/714/
Declaring War on Children
Not everyone can have children, and not everyone wants children.
That's OK. There is no law mandating fecundity. For various reasons,
many may want to forgo the whole involved process of bearing and
raising children.
But the norm throughout human history has of course been both the
desire and the willingness to have children. The minority which does
not want, or cannot have, children is nicely offset by the majority
that does or can.
Maybe, just maybe, it's because birth control is legal, available, and
effective; that's why today those who don't want children can still
have a sex life without unwanted pregnancies.
But what is unusual is the growing anti-child movement that has
emerged in the West. There may be various reasons for such sentiments:
e.g., misplaced concerns about population, and the like. But many of
the motivations are much less lofty and much more disturbing.
"Misplaced" concerns about population??? Excuse me, but the planet is
suffering from overpopullation right now. Where I live (Midwestern
United States), suburban sprawl is taking over the land. Farms are
being replaced by housing developments; wild animals are being driven
into areas of human population where they were never seen before, such
as deer in the suburbs of Chicago, and even a frightened (and
frightening) coyote on the streets of the city,
I refer to those who simply don't like children, and want to let
everyone else know it. Some don't like kids simply because they
interfere with their lifestyles. In 2000 David and Susan Moore wrote
Child-Free Zone: Why More People Are Choosing Not to Be Parents. It
laid out the case for enjoying adulthood, free of the constraints of
children.
But some don't like kids because, well, they don't like kids. In fact,
they can't stand the little blighters. One woman who seems to
positively loathe children is Corinne Maier. She happens to be French,
which might explain some things, but she is quite clear about her
disgust of children. In her book, No Kids: 40 Reasons for Not Having a
Child, she makes it plain that she considers children to be savages,
little tyrants and nuisances that are simply a pain in the neck.
Then these people *should NOT* have children. Every child should come
into the world loved and wanted.
A recent article in the Herald Sun by Bryan Patterson highlights the
woman and her book. It makes for scary reading. "Every family is a
nest of vipers," she informs us. And she hates everything that has to
do with children: Disneyland, McDonalds, the Disney Channel, and so
on.
What *****. I chose not to have children, but I still enjoy the
wonder and magic in children that can make your world a better place.
I like to watch children and eavesdrop on what they have to say about
everything and anything. I like interacting with my young relatives
and my friends' children.
Some of the reasons she gives for not having kids include: you have to
speak like an idiot to communicate with children;
She is a fucking idiot; NEVER "talk down" to children; they will see
through you in 10 seconds. I remember the comtempt and disdain I felt
for people who "talked down" to me when I was a child. I thought
*they* were stupid, and I think I was right.
children are
capricious tyrants; families are nightmares;
Only if you treat the children like they are a nuisance!
and staying at home with
toddlers makes you dull.
Staying at home with cats makes you dull, too, if all you do is stay
at home.
What makes her remarks all the more alarming and disconcerting are two
facts. One, she happens to have two children of her own, but she
"bitterly regrets" having them. She says if it were not for her kids,
she would have spent her money "travelling the world". Imagine how the
two kids must feel, having such a wonderful mum as that.
I feel sorry for those children. And I doubt such a close-minded
person would have gotten anything out ot "travelling the world,"
either. I can just hear her whining about how the people in other
countries are doing everything wrong.
But a second fact must be noted. This is a woman who lives in a
country where the fertility rate is just below replacement level, and
she lives in a continent where it is well below the 2.1 children per
woman replacement level.
The French total fertility rate (TFR) is 1.98, while the TFR of the
European Union is 1.5. Holland is down to 1.66, Germany to 1.4, and
Italy and Spain both down to 1.29. America is one of the few Western
nations to almost just hold its own, with 2.09 children per woman.
Now is not the time to be warning adults about not having kids. The
entire Western world is caught up in a birth dearth, and what is
needed more than ever is more children, not less.
More *****. I can see what is coming; the "wrong" types (read
nonwhites) are having all the children.
So the Western world should have more children so that the earth can
reach total overpopulation a few decades sooner.
The facts and figures about population decline have been discussed
elsewhere on this site. Simply put, the West is involved in a
population implosion, and desperate measures are needed to turn things
around. Immigration is the only thing that is keeping some countries
from experiencing even disastrously lower levels of population.
But as troublesome as those demographics are, we must return to Ms
Maier. The 43 year old economist and psychoanalyst just may require
some psychoanalysis herself. Why this morbid and neurotic hatred of
children? Why this complete absorption with self, at the expense of
even her own children?
I think she is just a total ***** who should not have had children.
She says breastfeeding hurts. But a lot of things hurt in life. She
claims birth is torture. But many things we value in life come with a
price. What is she suggesting? That a life of leisure should be our
highest priority and anything that gets in the way of us simply having
a good time should be rejected out of hand? That is what is known as
hedonism, irresponsibility and escaping from reality.
From what I hear from women who have children, breastfeeding can hurt,
and birth is torture. But they feel it was worth it.
But in a sense she is simply reflecting trends throughout the Western
world. As we become more secularised, more selfish, more
irresponsible, and more fixated on looking out for number one, we can
expect to see more of such anti-child sentiments. Self has become the
new God, and if kids get in the way of us living a completely selfish
life, then let's be rid of them.
People who feel that way should not have children. I would feel sorry
(and frightened for) any children they do have.
Ah, but you see it's "selfish" not to want to children.
It's the most unselfish thing anybody could do for children when they
don't want and don't have children.
It's
not "selfish" not to want to spend your life helping the
poverty-stricken in the slums of Cairo, it's not "selfish"
not to give every last penny you have so that one more
child won't die of starvation in Ethiopia -- it's not
even "selfish" to think we shouldn't tax the wealthy
like we tax the not so well-off... but it's "selfish"
not to want to have children.
Bast wept.
-- cary
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27 Sep 2007 05:21:30 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:04:10 -0700, Medusa <Medusa4303@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sep 25, 9:19 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
Some of the reasons she gives for not having kids include: you have to
speak like an idiot to communicate with children;
She is a fucking idiot; NEVER "talk down" to children; they will see
through you in 10 seconds. I remember the comtempt and disdain I felt
for people who "talked down" to me when I was a child. I thought
*they* were stupid, and I think I was right.
And children tend to live up to - or down to - what you expect of
them. Talk to a child as if s/he's an idiot and s/he'll grow up to be
an idiot. But talk to a child as if s/he's an intelligent human being
and s/he'll grow up to be one.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Gwyne=F0_Bennetdottir?=" |
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25 Sep 2007 01:37:56 PM |
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On Sep 25, 9:19 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/09/01/714/
Declaring War on Children
I'm a liberal with two children. On whom am I declaring a war, again?
*****.
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25 Sep 2007 09:49:58 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
A recent article in the Herald Sun by Bryan Patterson highlights the
woman and her book. It makes for scary reading. "Every family is a
nest of vipers," she informs us. And she hates everything that has to
do with children: Disneyland, McDonalds, the Disney Channel, and so
on.
So that's all there is to children? Disney and McDonalds? If that's the
case, then sign me up.
Now is not the time to be warning adults about not having kids. The
entire Western world is caught up in a birth dearth, and what is
needed more than ever is more children, not less.
Really?!! Now that's a surprise! By the way, your cultural xenophobia is
showing.
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