Science > Abortion > Why do STUPID LIBERALS think Kerry is better than Bush?
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18 Aug 2004 02:41:39 PM |
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Why do STUPID LIBERALS think Kerry is better than Bush? |
If elected, Kerry won't end the war in Iraq. If anything Kerry will
bring back the draft.
If elected, Kerry won't get rid of the Patriot Act.
John Kerry is against abortion.
John Kerry is against gay marriage.
John Kerry supports Israel just as much as Bush does.
John Kerry is a Bonesman just like Bush.
Yet stupid-***** liberals still pretend Kerry is somehow better than
Bush. Liberals blindly insult Bush and blindly praise Kerry, even
though there is no difference between them. Why?
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24 Oct 2004 03:36:27 PM |
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"John Smith" <user@example.net> wrote in message
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Forget that, the BIGGER QUESTION is ...
HOW WILL JESUS VOTE? http://www.cafepress.com/hwjv
;)
Under the 14th Amendment, section 3, Kerry is disqualified for ANY federal
office or position due to his actions following his tour of duty in Vietnam
without a 2/3 vote of approval from Congress.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or
elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the
United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive
or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United
States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or
given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of
two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
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24 Oct 2004 03:49:44 PM |
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In article <clh3oa$9qd$1@news.netins.net>,
"Mike Dobony" <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"John Smith" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:nMaed.47480$UA.38118@lakeread08...
Forget that, the BIGGER QUESTION is ...
HOW WILL JESUS VOTE? http://www.cafepress.com/hwjv
;)
Under the 14th Amendment, section 3, Kerry is disqualified for ANY federal
office or position due to his actions following his tour of duty in Vietnam
without a 2/3 vote of approval from Congress.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or
elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the
United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive
or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United
States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or
given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of
two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
In what way did Kerry give comfort to the enemy or engage in
insurrection or rebellion against the US?
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| User: "Mike Dobony" |
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| Title: Re: Why do STUPID LIBERALS think Kerry is better than Bush? |
26 Oct 2004 06:41:08 PM |
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"Snuggles" <submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff@spam.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff-C3D064.16494424102004@corp.supernews.com...
In article <clh3oa$9qd$1@news.netins.net>,
"Mike Dobony" <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"John Smith" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:nMaed.47480$UA.38118@lakeread08...
Forget that, the BIGGER QUESTION is ...
HOW WILL JESUS VOTE? http://www.cafepress.com/hwjv
;)
Under the 14th Amendment, section 3, Kerry is disqualified for ANY
federal
office or position due to his actions following his tour of duty in
Vietnam
without a 2/3 vote of approval from Congress.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
or
elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the
United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an
executive
or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the
United
States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
same, or
given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
of
two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
In what way did Kerry give comfort to the enemy or engage in
insurrection or rebellion against the US?
Calling our troops war criminals, demoralizing our troops, calling on troops
to disobey orders, seriously discussing assaination of US Senators, calling
those serving in Vietnam rapists and murders. North Vietnam specifically
named Jane Fonda and John Kerry as instrumental in their victory, per news
magazine article about a year ago found in one of the many doctor's offices
I had to visit in the last year. Probably Newsweek. Check out his record
as founder and lead spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against The War.
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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26 Oct 2004 08:04:39 PM |
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"Mike Dobony" wrote
"Snuggles" wrote in message
"Mike Dobony" wrote:
Under the 14th Amendment, section 3, Kerry is
disqualified for ANY federal office or position due
to his actions following his tour of duty in Vietnam
without a 2/3 vote of approval from Congress.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or
Representative in Congress, or elector of
President and Vice President, or hold any office,
civil or military, under the United States, or
under any State, who, having previously taken
an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an
officer of the United States, or as a member of
any State legislature, or as an executive
or judicial officer of any State, to support the
Constitution of the United States, shall have
engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies
thereof. But Congress may by a vote of
two-thirds of each House, remove such
disability.
In what way did Kerry give comfort to the enemy
or engage in insurrection or rebellion against the US?
Calling our troops war criminals, demoralizing our
troops, calling on troops to disobey orders, seriously
discussing assaination of US Senators, calling
those serving in Vietnam rapists and murders.
North Vietnam specifically named Jane Fonda and
John Kerry as instrumental in their victory, per news
magazine article about a year ago found in one of
the many doctor's offices I had to visit in the last
year. Probably Newsweek. Check out his record
as founder and lead spokesman for Vietnam
Veterans Against The War.
In this country, we have what is called "Freedom of Speech". Therefore a
person has to do much more than speak out against a war in order to be
guilty of insurrection, rebellion against the United States, or of giving
comfort to the enemy.
You should read up on the Viet Nam war. Besides Kerry, millions of
Americans, including U. S. Senators and other prominent politicians,
celebrities and veterans were opposed to the war, and spoke out against it.
As for American soldiers being criminals: Look up "My Lai" on the internet
(or go to:
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/Myl_intro.html.)
Some five hundred unarmed civilians, including women and children were
massacred by American soldiers at My Lai. The government tried to cover it
up. That was only one of many disgraceful incidents which caused the
public to turn against the war.
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Wax
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| User: "Snuggles" |
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26 Oct 2004 08:06:08 PM |
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In article <clmnak$glh$1@news.netins.net>,
"Mike Dobony" <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"Snuggles" <submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff@spam.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff-C3D064.16494424102004@corp.supernews.com...
In article <clh3oa$9qd$1@news.netins.net>,
"Mike Dobony" <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"John Smith" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:nMaed.47480$UA.38118@lakeread08...
Forget that, the BIGGER QUESTION is ...
HOW WILL JESUS VOTE? http://www.cafepress.com/hwjv
;)
Under the 14th Amendment, section 3, Kerry is disqualified for ANY
federal
office or position due to his actions following his tour of duty in
Vietnam
without a 2/3 vote of approval from Congress.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
or
elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the
United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an
executive
or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the
United
States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
same, or
given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
of
two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
In what way did Kerry give comfort to the enemy or engage in
insurrection or rebellion against the US?
Calling our troops war criminals, demoralizing our troops, calling on troops
to disobey orders, seriously discussing assaination of US Senators, calling
those serving in Vietnam rapists and murders. North Vietnam specifically
named Jane Fonda and John Kerry as instrumental in their victory, per news
magazine article about a year ago found in one of the many doctor's offices
I had to visit in the last year. Probably Newsweek. Check out his record
as founder and lead spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against The War.
Oh my God.... he talked and expressed an opinion about an unpopular war.
Throw him in the clink!
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| User: "George Graves" |
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26 Oct 2004 07:16:43 PM |
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In article <clmnak$glh$1@news.netins.net>,
"Mike Dobony" <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"Snuggles" <submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff@spam.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff-C3D064.16494424102004@corp.supernews.com...
In article <clh3oa$9qd$1@news.netins.net>,
"Mike Dobony" <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"John Smith" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:nMaed.47480$UA.38118@lakeread08...
Forget that, the BIGGER QUESTION is ...
HOW WILL JESUS VOTE? http://www.cafepress.com/hwjv
;)
Under the 14th Amendment, section 3, Kerry is disqualified for ANY
federal
office or position due to his actions following his tour of duty in
Vietnam
without a 2/3 vote of approval from Congress.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
or
elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the
United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an
executive
or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the
United
States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
same, or
given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
of
two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
In what way did Kerry give comfort to the enemy or engage in
insurrection or rebellion against the US?
Calling our troops war criminals, demoralizing our troops, calling on troops
to disobey orders, seriously discussing assaination of US Senators, calling
those serving in Vietnam rapists and murders. North Vietnam specifically
named Jane Fonda and John Kerry as instrumental in their victory, per news
magazine article about a year ago found in one of the many doctor's offices
I had to visit in the last year. Probably Newsweek. Check out his record
as founder and lead spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against The War.
Sounds good for a start.
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George Graves
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John Kerry Betraying America Since 1971
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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28 Oct 2004 12:43:28 AM |
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Mike Dobony <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"Snuggles" <submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff@spam.spamcop.net> wrote in message
In what way did Kerry give comfort to the enemy or engage in
insurrection or rebellion against the US?
Calling our troops war criminals,
He didn't.
demoralizing our troops,
He didn't.
calling on troops
to disobey orders, seriously discussing assaination of US Senators, calling
In order to make Bush look palatable you have to lie about Kerry.
And it still isn't working.
The question is: Why do you hate America so much that you want
to have such an incompetant president? Do you _want_ to see America
destroyed?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "George Graves" |
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28 Oct 2004 02:04:58 PM |
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In article <clq0tv$999$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Mike Dobony <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"Snuggles" <submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff@spam.spamcop.net> wrote in message
In what way did Kerry give comfort to the enemy or engage in
insurrection or rebellion against the US?
Calling our troops war criminals,
He didn't.
demoralizing our troops,
He didn't.
calling on troops
to disobey orders, seriously discussing assaination of US Senators, calling
In order to make Bush look palatable you have to lie about Kerry.
And it still isn't working.
The question is: Why do you hate America so much that you want
to have such an incompetant president? Do you _want_ to see America
destroyed?
Because, perhaps, THIS incompetent president, we know. Kerry will be a
different kind of incompetent president, and what that particular empty
suit will do we simply don't know. Old saying: Better to go with the
devil you know than to go with the devil you don't know. Me, I'd prefer
a candidate that wasn't a devil at all. But we don't have that choice,
do we?
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George Graves
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John Kerry Betraying America Since 1971
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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30 Oct 2004 01:22:19 AM |
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George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
In article <clq0tv$999$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Mike Dobony <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"Snuggles" <submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff@spam.spamcop.net> wrote in message
In what way did Kerry give comfort to the enemy or engage in
insurrection or rebellion against the US?
Calling our troops war criminals,
He didn't.
demoralizing our troops,
He didn't.
calling on troops
to disobey orders, seriously discussing assaination of US Senators, calling
In order to make Bush look palatable you have to lie about Kerry.
And it still isn't working.
The question is: Why do you hate America so much that you want
to have such an incompetant president? Do you _want_ to see America
destroyed?
Because, perhaps, THIS incompetent president, we know. Kerry will be a
different kind of incompetent president,
Or he won't be incompetant at all.
Old saying: Better to go with the
devil you know than to go with the devil you don't know.
Follow the devil rather than turn off the road to hell.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "RainLover" |
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27 Oct 2004 08:54:36 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:41:08 -0500, "Mike Dobony"
<sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
In what way did Kerry give comfort to the enemy or engage in
insurrection or rebellion against the US?
Calling our troops war criminals,
Some of what the USA did in Vietnam was criminal, in the REAL sense of
the word. Do you think we kept to the 'high road' there?
demoralizing our troops,
MANY were already demoralized (withough morals)... the ARMY did THAT.
Some people just took the wind out of their sails and made them think
about what they were doing there.
calling on troops to disobey orders,
Some orders need disobeying. The military gives LIP SERVICE to only
obeying 'legal orders', but when it comes down to it, they'll shoot
'deserters' or imprison them for not obeying... no matter if the order
is legal or not.
calling
those serving in Vietnam rapists and murders.
Um... in case you didn't get the memo... Some army personnel in
Vietnam RAPED AND MURDERED.... and some commanders knew and did
nothing. (some even participated and others ordered such things).
We're NOT talking about most Vets here... Most served HONORABLY, but
these things were going on there that the military turned a blind eye.
Don't kill the messenger. Kerry (and MANY others) were reporting what
they had seen in Vietnam. That makes them Patriots.
Personally, any sort of 'code of silence' that allowed / allows
attrocities to go on (then and NOW) makes those who participate in the
actions worse than terrorists... it makes them TRAITORS to America.
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| User: "Lee Sanders" |
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27 Oct 2004 07:29:54 AM |
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Probably for the same reason that conservatives think Bush is better, faith.
"Mike Dobony" <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote in message
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"Snuggles" <submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff@spam.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff-C3D064.16494424102004@corp.supernews.com...
In article <clh3oa$9qd$1@news.netins.net>,
"Mike Dobony" <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"John Smith" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:nMaed.47480$UA.38118@lakeread08...
Forget that, the BIGGER QUESTION is ...
HOW WILL JESUS VOTE? http://www.cafepress.com/hwjv
;)
Under the 14th Amendment, section 3, Kerry is disqualified for ANY
federal
office or position due to his actions following his tour of duty in
Vietnam
without a 2/3 vote of approval from Congress.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
or
elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the
United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an
executive
or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the
United
States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
same, or
given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
of
two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
In what way did Kerry give comfort to the enemy or engage in
insurrection or rebellion against the US?
Calling our troops war criminals, demoralizing our troops, calling on
troops
to disobey orders, seriously discussing assaination of US Senators,
calling
those serving in Vietnam rapists and murders. North Vietnam specifically
named Jane Fonda and John Kerry as instrumental in their victory, per news
magazine article about a year ago found in one of the many doctor's
offices
I had to visit in the last year. Probably Newsweek. Check out his record
as founder and lead spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against The War.
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| Title: Re: Why do STUPID LIBERALS think Kerry is better than Bush? |
27 Oct 2004 09:09:36 PM |
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In article <2u9im3F2776vnU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Lee Sanders" <leesand@excite.com> wrote:
Probably for the same reason that conservatives think Bush is better, faith.
I support Kerry's energy plan, tax plan and anti-terror plan. I am
voting FOR Kerry (not against Bush or a third party protest vote). In
fact Kerry is the first presidential candidate I've been enthusiastic
about since I've started voting (1972).
I hope Bush supporters cast their votes policy reasons and not "faith".
<snip>
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SD
"...merely a preponderance of evidence."
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| User: "George Graves" |
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27 Oct 2004 10:08:45 PM |
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In article <Liberty-3D4085.19093627102004@cnews.newsguy.com>,
StormDrain <Liberty@MS-Free.com> wrote:
In article <2u9im3F2776vnU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Lee Sanders" <leesand@excite.com> wrote:
Probably for the same reason that conservatives think Bush is better, faith.
I support Kerry's energy plan, tax plan and anti-terror plan. I am
voting FOR Kerry (not against Bush or a third party protest vote). In
fact Kerry is the first presidential candidate I've been enthusiastic
about since I've started voting (1972).
You poor fool. I feel sorry for you. You're so naive.
I hope Bush supporters cast their votes policy reasons and not "faith".
I don't think that there actually are any "Bush supporters", just people
who recognize that Kerry is just as much of an empty suit as Bush, but
he's an UNKNOWN empty suit. They are just voting for the "devil they
know."
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George Graves
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John Kerry Betraying America Since 1971
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27 Oct 2004 11:36:01 PM |
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In article
<gmgravesnos-524863.20084527102004@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
In article <Liberty-3D4085.19093627102004@cnews.newsguy.com>,
StormDrain <Liberty@MS-Free.com> wrote:
In article <2u9im3F2776vnU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Lee Sanders" <leesand@excite.com> wrote:
Probably for the same reason that conservatives think Bush is better,
faith.
I support Kerry's energy plan, tax plan and anti-terror plan. I am
voting FOR Kerry (not against Bush or a third party protest vote). In
fact Kerry is the first presidential candidate I've been enthusiastic
about since I've started voting (1972).
You poor fool. I feel sorry for you. You're so naive.
A tired relic living in some bygone era feels sorry for me. My
grandfather lived through the entire 20th century, grew up with horses
on a farm in Oakland CA (yes, Oakland) and saw men land on the moon. He
never picked the "good old days" to live in and neither have I. Please,
leave your prosaic attitude at the door if you respond to me.
I hope Bush supporters cast their votes policy reasons and not "faith".
I don't think that there actually are any "Bush supporters", just people
who recognize that Kerry is just as much of an empty suit as Bush, but
he's an UNKNOWN empty suit. They are just voting for the "devil they
know."
As Jason pointed out, you're wrong.
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SD
"...merely a preponderance of evidence."
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28 Oct 2004 02:22:47 PM |
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In article <Liberty-D7305B.21360127102004@cnews.newsguy.com>,
StormDrain <Liberty@MS-Free.com> wrote:
In article
<gmgravesnos-524863.20084527102004@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
In article <Liberty-3D4085.19093627102004@cnews.newsguy.com>,
StormDrain <Liberty@MS-Free.com> wrote:
In article <2u9im3F2776vnU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Lee Sanders" <leesand@excite.com> wrote:
Probably for the same reason that conservatives think Bush is better,
faith.
I support Kerry's energy plan, tax plan and anti-terror plan. I am
voting FOR Kerry (not against Bush or a third party protest vote). In
fact Kerry is the first presidential candidate I've been enthusiastic
about since I've started voting (1972).
You poor fool. I feel sorry for you. You're so naive.
A tired relic living in some bygone era feels sorry for me.
I'm not tired, nor am I a relic. I play the hand dealt me, just like
everyone else. but I'm not so ignorant of recent history as to be blind
to the fact that this society is going downhill fast. The middle class
is disappearing to be replaced with a polarized economy. History shows
us that democracy cannot work in a society made up exclusively of the
wealthy and the poor. That's one reason why we are starting to see such
polarized elections. It will get worse. Better study some history, learn
to interpret what you learn and apply it to this reality. It might
frighten you out of your pollyannaism.
My grandfather lived through the entire 20th century, grew up with horses
on a farm in Oakland CA (yes, Oakland) and saw men land on the moon. He
never picked the "good old days" to live in and neither have I. Please,
leave your prosaic attitude at the door if you respond to me.
My attitude is not prosaic, just realistic. If you never compare the
times in which you live with other points in history, then you have no
point of reference as to how society is doing. We've turned the corner
and are heading away from a society in which everyone has a high
standard of living based upon good jobs and high productivity. This is
BAD. Bad for people, bad for the nation, and disastrous for our form of
government. That you fail to see this, and look upon anyone who does so
as a "gloomy Gus" is very telling about your grasp on reality.
I hope Bush supporters cast their votes policy reasons and not "faith".
I don't think that there actually are any "Bush supporters", just people
who recognize that Kerry is just as much of an empty suit as Bush, but
he's an UNKNOWN empty suit. They are just voting for the "devil they
know."
As Jason pointed out, you're wrong.
Jason is a "one issue" voter. His concerns are mostly 2nd Amendment
issues, and he is willing to support the candidate who he thinks is most
likely not to mess with his 2nd Amendment rights. That's Bush. I
understand that. I have many friends who are in the same boat, they are
so afraid that somebody is going to take their guns away, that they will
support any candidate who looks like he won't. While I also don't want
my guns taken away, my interests go beyond that single issue, and on
other issues I find Bush a dud just as I find Kerry a dud.
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28 Oct 2004 03:48:00 PM |
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In article
<gmgravesnos-6CE7FB.12224328102004@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
In article <Liberty-D7305B.21360127102004@cnews.newsguy.com>,
StormDrain <Liberty@MS-Free.com> wrote:
<snip>
A tired relic living in some bygone era feels sorry for me.
I'm not tired, nor am I a relic. I play the hand dealt me, just like
everyone else. but I'm not so ignorant of recent history as to be blind
to the fact that this society is going downhill fast. The middle class
is disappearing to be replaced with a polarized economy. History shows
us that democracy cannot work in a society made up exclusively of the
wealthy and the poor.
Now you are absolutely making sense. Capitalists thrives in places like
apartheid South Africa and Communist China. Democracy merely gets in
the way. One world-one corporation may get the "MS market share"
cheerleaders all creamy, but it's nothing I'm looking forward to.
That's one reason why we are starting to see such
polarized elections. It will get worse. Better study some history, learn
to interpret what you learn and apply it to this reality. It might
frighten you out of your pollyannaism.
My grandfather lived through the entire 20th century, grew up with horses
on a farm in Oakland CA (yes, Oakland) and saw men land on the moon. He
never picked the "good old days" to live in and neither have I. Please,
leave your prosaic attitude at the door if you respond to me.
My attitude is not prosaic, just realistic. If you never compare the
times in which you live with other points in history, then you have no
point of reference as to how society is doing. We've turned the corner
and are heading away from a society in which everyone has a high
standard of living based upon good jobs and high productivity. This is
BAD. Bad for people, bad for the nation, and disastrous for our form of
government.
You're attitude becomes prosaic when you drift into the name calling and
switch on blamer mode. BTW what are you DOING to help ensure Americans
have good jobs? I go out of my way to buy American...glue, waterproof
stuff to wipe on boots, clothes...it's the only vote they understand.
That you fail to see this, and look upon anyone who does so
as a "gloomy Gus" is very telling about your grasp on reality.
Not sure why you think I fail to see this, but you sound more like
"defeated Gus" rather than "gloomy Gus" :)
<snip>
--
SD
"...merely a preponderance of evidence."
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28 Oct 2004 04:35:45 PM |
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In article <Liberty-746241.13480028102004@cnews.newsguy.com>,
StormDrain <Liberty@MS-Free.com> wrote:
In article
<gmgravesnos-6CE7FB.12224328102004@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
In article <Liberty-D7305B.21360127102004@cnews.newsguy.com>,
StormDrain <Liberty@MS-Free.com> wrote:
<snip>
A tired relic living in some bygone era feels sorry for me.
I'm not tired, nor am I a relic. I play the hand dealt me, just like
everyone else. but I'm not so ignorant of recent history as to be blind
to the fact that this society is going downhill fast. The middle class
is disappearing to be replaced with a polarized economy. History shows
us that democracy cannot work in a society made up exclusively of the
wealthy and the poor.
Now you are absolutely making sense. Capitalists thrives in places like
apartheid South Africa and Communist China. Democracy merely gets in
the way. One world-one corporation may get the "MS market share"
cheerleaders all creamy, but it's nothing I'm looking forward to.
What I'd like to see somebody address is why things like supply and
demand, and fair wages = fair prices, and other bastions of business
from "the old days" don't work any more.
That's one reason why we are starting to see such
polarized elections. It will get worse. Better study some history, learn
to interpret what you learn and apply it to this reality. It might
frighten you out of your pollyannaism.
My grandfather lived through the entire 20th century, grew up with
horses
on a farm in Oakland CA (yes, Oakland) and saw men land on the moon. He
never picked the "good old days" to live in and neither have I. Please,
leave your prosaic attitude at the door if you respond to me.
My attitude is not prosaic, just realistic. If you never compare the
times in which you live with other points in history, then you have no
point of reference as to how society is doing. We've turned the corner
and are heading away from a society in which everyone has a high
standard of living based upon good jobs and high productivity. This is
BAD. Bad for people, bad for the nation, and disastrous for our form of
government.
You're attitude becomes prosaic when you drift into the name calling and
switch on blamer mode.
To my knowledge, I've called no one a name nor have I fixed blame. It's
a trend, but it needs to be acknowledged before steps can be taken to
reverse that trend. I'm afraid some laws need to be passed, or at least
companies who export manufacturing off-shore need to be heavily
penalized with taxes and tariffs in order to keep them here.
BTW what are you DOING to help ensure Americans
have good jobs? I go out of my way to buy American...glue, waterproof
stuff to wipe on boots, clothes...it's the only vote they understand.
Good policy. It's hard these days to do. Buying a US brand name no
longer means that the goods are made here. I found that out with my last
pair of Florsheim shoes. They were made in India. FLORSHEIM for
crissakes! If you can't rely on them, who can you rely on. Now I buy my
shoes from a place in Texas called San Antonio Shoe (or SAS) incredible
quality, US made. Would that our cars were as good. Unfortunately, our
cars are terrible from my point of view. Sigh!
That you fail to see this, and look upon anyone who does so
as a "gloomy Gus" is very telling about your grasp on reality.
Not sure why you think I fail to see this, but you sound more like
"defeated Gus" rather than "gloomy Gus" :)
I am neither. But I am alarmed when I see how far we have fallen.
--
George Graves
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30 Oct 2004 12:05:19 PM |
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In article
<gmgravesnos-EF6EF8.14354128102004@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
<snip>
What I'd like to see somebody address is why things like supply and
demand, and fair wages = fair prices, and other bastions of business
from "the old days" don't work any more.
It still works but IMO it doesn't allow for the sheer greed the USA's
corporate leadership wants. Supply and demand was replaced by "supply
side" with short term profits to pump up stock prices the goal.
You're attitude becomes prosaic when you drift into the name calling and
switch on blamer mode.
To my knowledge, I've called no one a name nor have I fixed blame. It's
a trend, but it needs to be acknowledged before steps can be taken to
reverse that trend. I'm afraid some laws need to be passed, or at least
companies who export manufacturing off-shore need to be heavily
penalized with taxes and tariffs in order to keep them here.
And that's just what Kerry is talking about.
BTW what are you DOING to help ensure Americans
have good jobs? I go out of my way to buy American...glue, waterproof
stuff to wipe on boots, clothes...it's the only vote they understand.
Good policy. It's hard these days to do. Buying a US brand name no
longer means that the goods are made here. I found that out with my last
pair of Florsheim shoes. They were made in India. FLORSHEIM for
crissakes! If you can't rely on them, who can you rely on. Now I buy my
shoes from a place in Texas called San Antonio Shoe (or SAS) incredible
quality, US made. Would that our cars were as good. Unfortunately, our
cars are terrible from my point of view. Sigh!
Lots of examples of this. Milwaukee Tools...some still made in USA but
the cordless drill made in Czech Republic. I've seen things like
"assembled in USA" (on some Apple boxes for example) and even "built
with parts from <a huge list of countries>".
I've found the internet a great place to find USA made products,
especially clothes. It eliminates layers of middle men so the prices
are similar to the "name brands"... Sweaters ~30.00, pants ~$20 and up
etc.
That you fail to see this, and look upon anyone who does so
as a "gloomy Gus" is very telling about your grasp on reality.
Not sure why you think I fail to see this, but you sound more like
"defeated Gus" rather than "gloomy Gus" :)
I am neither. But I am alarmed when I see how far we have fallen.
--
SD
"...merely a preponderance of evidence."
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27 Oct 2004 10:14:23 PM |
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In article <gmgravesnos-524863.20084527102004@newssvr14-
ext.news.prodigy.com>, says...
In article <Liberty-3D4085.19093627102004@cnews.newsguy.com>,
StormDrain <Liberty@MS-Free.com> wrote:
In article <2u9im3F2776vnU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Lee Sanders" <leesand@excite.com> wrote:
Probably for the same reason that conservatives think Bush is better, faith.
I support Kerry's energy plan, tax plan and anti-terror plan. I am
voting FOR Kerry (not against Bush or a third party protest vote). In
fact Kerry is the first presidential candidate I've been enthusiastic
about since I've started voting (1972).
You poor fool. I feel sorry for you. You're so naive.
I hope Bush supporters cast their votes policy reasons and not "faith".
I don't think that there actually are any "Bush supporters", just people
who recognize that Kerry is just as much of an empty suit as Bush, but
he's an UNKNOWN empty suit. They are just voting for the "devil they
know."
You're wrong George. There are a lot of conservative people that like
Bush. Just because you're off into libertarian crazy land doesn't mean
the rest of us dislike Bush. You're in California though, a state run
by.. Well lets be polite.
You're overrun with.. Lets again be polite. The rest of the country
isn't that way, and actually supports Bush, except for the whiny
hippy/union element.
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| User: "Lee Sanders" |
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27 Oct 2004 11:44:28 PM |
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It's amazing that only in America can there be no other opinions other
than yea or nay! No wonder we only have two parties! People are forced
into either agreeing or disagreeing. Both sides have distorted the facts
and fronted misinformation! One man has le dus into a no-win conflict and
the other has tried to lead us out of a no win conflict through devious
means; so tell me, who deserves to be the leader? Neither one!
"Jason McNorton" <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bea200f8bbc281c989793@news-40.giganews.com...
In article <gmgravesnos-524863.20084527102004@newssvr14-
ext.news.prodigy.com>, says...
In article <Liberty-3D4085.19093627102004@cnews.newsguy.com>,
StormDrain <Liberty@MS-Free.com> wrote:
In article <2u9im3F2776vnU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Lee Sanders" <leesand@excite.com> wrote:
Probably for the same reason that conservatives think Bush is better,
faith.
I support Kerry's energy plan, tax plan and anti-terror plan. I am
voting FOR Kerry (not against Bush or a third party protest vote). In
fact Kerry is the first presidential candidate I've been enthusiastic
about since I've started voting (1972).
You poor fool. I feel sorry for you. You're so naive.
I hope Bush supporters cast their votes policy reasons and not "faith".
I don't think that there actually are any "Bush supporters", just people
who recognize that Kerry is just as much of an empty suit as Bush, but
he's an UNKNOWN empty suit. They are just voting for the "devil they
know."
You're wrong George. There are a lot of conservative people that like
Bush. Just because you're off into libertarian crazy land doesn't mean
the rest of us dislike Bush. You're in California though, a state run
by.. Well lets be polite.
You're overrun with.. Lets again be polite. The rest of the country
isn't that way, and actually supports Bush, except for the whiny
hippy/union element.
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| User: "George Graves" |
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28 Oct 2004 02:26:48 PM |
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In article <2ubbpeF27ieq2U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Lee Sanders" <leesand@excite.com> wrote:
It's amazing that only in America can there be no other opinions other
than yea or nay! No wonder we only have two parties! People are forced
into either agreeing or disagreeing. Both sides have distorted the facts
and fronted misinformation! One man has le dus into a no-win conflict and
the other has tried to lead us out of a no win conflict through devious
means; so tell me, who deserves to be the leader? Neither one!
Hot Damn! Another man who understands!
"Jason McNorton" <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bea200f8bbc281c989793@news-40.giganews.com...
In article <gmgravesnos-524863.20084527102004@newssvr14-
ext.news.prodigy.com>, says...
In article <Liberty-3D4085.19093627102004@cnews.newsguy.com>,
StormDrain <Liberty@MS-Free.com> wrote:
In article <2u9im3F2776vnU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Lee Sanders" <leesand@excite.com> wrote:
Probably for the same reason that conservatives think Bush is better,
faith.
I support Kerry's energy plan, tax plan and anti-terror plan. I am
voting FOR Kerry (not against Bush or a third party protest vote). In
fact Kerry is the first presidential candidate I've been enthusiastic
about since I've started voting (1972).
You poor fool. I feel sorry for you. You're so naive.
I hope Bush supporters cast their votes policy reasons and not "faith".
I don't think that there actually are any "Bush supporters", just people
who recognize that Kerry is just as much of an empty suit as Bush, but
he's an UNKNOWN empty suit. They are just voting for the "devil they
know."
You're wrong George. There are a lot of conservative people that like
Bush. Just because you're off into libertarian crazy land doesn't mean
the rest of us dislike Bush. You're in California though, a state run
by.. Well lets be polite.
You're overrun with.. Lets again be polite. The rest of the country
isn't that way, and actually supports Bush, except for the whiny
hippy/union element.
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John Kerry Betraying America Since 1971
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28 Oct 2004 02:25:51 PM |
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In article <MPG.1bea200f8bbc281c989793@news-40.giganews.com>,
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <gmgravesnos-524863.20084527102004@newssvr14-
ext.news.prodigy.com>, says...
In article <Liberty-3D4085.19093627102004@cnews.newsguy.com>,
StormDrain <Liberty@MS-Free.com> wrote:
In article <2u9im3F2776vnU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Lee Sanders" <leesand@excite.com> wrote:
Probably for the same reason that conservatives think Bush is better,
faith.
I support Kerry's energy plan, tax plan and anti-terror plan. I am
voting FOR Kerry (not against Bush or a third party protest vote). In
fact Kerry is the first presidential candidate I've been enthusiastic
about since I've started voting (1972).
You poor fool. I feel sorry for you. You're so naive.
I hope Bush supporters cast their votes policy reasons and not "faith".
I don't think that there actually are any "Bush supporters", just people
who recognize that Kerry is just as much of an empty suit as Bush, but
he's an UNKNOWN empty suit. They are just voting for the "devil they
know."
You're wrong George. There are a lot of conservative people that like
Bush. Just because you're off into libertarian crazy land doesn't mean
the rest of us dislike Bush. You're in California though, a state run
by.. Well lets be polite.
You're overrun with.. Lets again be polite. The rest of the country
isn't that way, and actually supports Bush, except for the whiny
hippy/union element.
I simply can't imagine why, although I think I know why you support
him...guns. I know plenty like you and I do understand, but not
everybody is a gun enthusiast, so I cannot imagine why they actually
support Bush as opposed to simply voting for Bush because he's NOT Kerry.
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George Graves
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John Kerry - Betraying America Since 1971
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24 Oct 2004 09:00:05 PM |
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Snuggles <submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff@spam.spamcop.net> wrote:
States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or
given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of
two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
In what way did Kerry give comfort to the enemy or engage in
insurrection or rebellion against the US?
I agree, only some cry baby Vets will vote for Bush at this point. I'm
sensing a unexpected landslide for Kerry come Nov 2. Just watch -----
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24 Oct 2004 04:53:44 PM |
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In article <clh3oa$9qd$1@news.netins.net>,
"Mike Dobony" <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"John Smith" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:nMaed.47480$UA.38118@lakeread08...
Forget that, the BIGGER QUESTION is ...
HOW WILL JESUS VOTE? http://www.cafepress.com/hwjv
;)
Under the 14th Amendment, section 3, Kerry is disqualified for ANY federal
office or position due to his actions following his tour of duty in Vietnam
without a 2/3 vote of approval from Congress.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or
elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the
United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive
or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United
States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or
given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of
two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Not bad. Send this to Bush's people. Maybe they can use it after Kerry's
election to have him disqualified.
--
George Graves
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Every guy owes himself at least one Ferrari before he dies
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| User: "Mike Dobony" |
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26 Oct 2004 06:44:16 PM |
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"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:gmgravesnos-B75267.14534324102004@newssvr13-ext.news.prodigy.com...
In article <clh3oa$9qd$1@news.netins.net>,
"Mike Dobony" <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"John Smith" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:nMaed.47480$UA.38118@lakeread08...
Forget that, the BIGGER QUESTION is ...
HOW WILL JESUS VOTE? http://www.cafepress.com/hwjv
;)
Under the 14th Amendment, section 3, Kerry is disqualified for ANY
federal
office or position due to his actions following his tour of duty in
Vietnam
without a 2/3 vote of approval from Congress.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
or
elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the
United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an
executive
or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the
United
States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
same, or
given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote
of
two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Not bad. Send this to Bush's people. Maybe they can use it after Kerry's
election to have him disqualified.
As soon as I find out how to do it I am filing a formal complaint myself.
--
George Graves
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25 Oct 2004 12:24:20 AM |
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Mike Dobony <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"John Smith" <user@example.net> wrote in message
Forget that, the BIGGER QUESTION is ...
HOW WILL JESUS VOTE? http://www.cafepress.com/hwjv
;)
Under the 14th Amendment, section 3, Kerry is disqualified for ANY federal
office or position due to his actions following his tour of duty in Vietnam
You right-wing assholes can do nothing but lie about Kerry in a
pathetic attempt to save your Glorious Leader.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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25 Oct 2004 11:58:59 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Mike Dobony <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote:
"John Smith" <user@example.net> wrote in message
Forget that, the BIGGER QUESTION is ...
HOW WILL JESUS VOTE? http://www.cafepress.com/hwjv
;)
Under the 14th Amendment, section 3, Kerry is disqualified for ANY federal
office or position due to his actions following his tour of duty in Vietnam
You right-wing assholes can do nothing but lie about Kerry in a
pathetic attempt to save your Glorious Leader.
See, there you go again, accusing someone of lying. Tsk, Tsk!
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Th3 G0ld3n Yrs Sux0r
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22 Oct 2004 09:17:51 PM |
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"John Smith" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:nMaed.47480$UA.38118@lakeread08...
John I am a North American but not a Yankee. I generally favour the Liberal
Party but not your Democratic Party. As for your so called Republican Party
we view them not as conservatives, but rather the Neanderthals.
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Stephen Bayzik
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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22 Oct 2004 10:35:08 PM |
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Stephen Bayzik wrote:
"John Smith" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:nMaed.47480$UA.38118@lakeread08...
John I am a North American but not a Yankee. I generally favour the Liberal
Party but not your Democratic Party. As for your so called Republican Party
we view them not as conservatives, but rather the Neanderthals.
--
Stephen Bayzik
===>Your LP is closer to the Libertarians or European "Classical Liberals"
than either one of the US's Bipartisan Monopoly. -- L.
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| User: "George Graves" |
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22 Oct 2004 01:13:21 PM |
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In article <nMaed.47480$UA.38118@lakeread08>,
John Smith <user@example.net> wrote:
Forget that, the BIGGER QUESTION is ...
HOW WILL JESUS VOTE? http://www.cafepress.com/hwjv
Well, if he's in Cook county Illinois, he'll vote for Kerry. All the
dead and otherwise non-existent voters there seem to vote the straight
Democratic ticket.
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George Graves
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