rbwinn3@juno.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<a17e5e0e.0409261811.41aa408b@posting.google.com>...

BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:<Xns956FCB37BBB66SD@68.6.19.6>...

elcoyote@netzero.net (Paul Anderson) wrote in
news:41562fa2.289089407@news.la.sbcglobal.net:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:53:25 -0600, "Bob Weigel"
<dontuwish@nothing.net> wrote:

You are the one wailing with lies. You have no evidence to back the
statement that a Fetus isn't life. WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS? If
something moves on it's own initiative and eventually becomes a human
if you leave it alone.....I'd...Kind of tend to think it's a human.

Read what you write. If it EVENTUALLY becomes a human it CANNOT be a
human at that point in time.

Touche'

Here is an interesting scripture from the New Testament. Luke 2:5 To
be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
Evidently Luke believed that Jesus Christ was a child while he was in
his mother's womb. Oddly enough, this agrees with another scripture
written 700 years before. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born;
unto us a son is given. Robert B. winn

Jesus Christ dined with publicans and sinners. He broke bread with
the tax collector, Zaccheus. Jesus saved the harlot from an angry
mob. What have you done, Robert, but heap scorn and shame upon the
name of our blessed Lord and Saviour, through your hypocrisy and
pharisitical reproachment?

Heed the words of Jesus, and look to the beam in your own eye, before
gnawing at motes in the eyes of others.

Robert B. Winn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:<Xns956FCB37BBB66SD@68.6.19.6>...

elcoyote@netzero.net (Paul Anderson) wrote in
news:41562fa2.289089407@news.la.sbcglobal.net:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:53:25 -0600, "Bob Weigel"
<dontuwish@nothing.net> wrote:

You are the one wailing with lies. You have no evidence to back
the statement that a Fetus isn't life. WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS?
If something moves on it's own initiative and eventually becomes a
human if you leave it alone.....I'd...Kind of tend to think it's a
human. .....

Read what you write. If it EVENTUALLY becomes a human it CANNOT
be a human at that point in time.

Touche'

Here is an interesting scripture from the New Testament. Luke 2:5 To
be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

Winn worships the words of King James and ignores the word of God.

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:03:59 +0100,
"Francis" wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> ("GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-thief G.W. Bush!") wrote:

I have NO more against full and easy access to the remedy of
abortion than I do to the remedy of easy acces to having a broken
arm set. Both are harmless and highly-beneficial remedies.

I have read your post carefully.

Explain to me how it is ok to take a life for this convenience.

Human life is a self-perpetuating CONTINUUM, and all entities
within it are both human and alive. ALL **four** stages of the
reproductive process's entities -- gametes, zygotes, embryoes, and
fetuses -- are human. unique, and alive. Every single one of those
represents a *potential* person. Which, if terminated, becomes a
potential person who will **never** become an *actual* person.

The Bible (which clearly is the basic moral authority upon which
this nation's laws were written, and for 87% of Americans today) NEVER
defends reproductive-process entities -- except ONE time, when it
regarded the entity to be **property** in a passage that also condones
slavery. And ALL human life that the Bible DOES defend, has been
BORN.

Thus, per BOTh logic *and* the Bible, only PEOPLE (and not mere
reproductive-process entities) have INTRINSIC value. The **only**
value that reproductive-process entities can ever have is ASCRIBED
value. The value that the woman gestating it *chooses* to arbitrarily
ascribe to it. And the same applies to men and their sperm.

Thus, the ultimate disposition of a given reproductive-process
entity is the business ONLY of the person who is harboring it.

Finally -- I remind you that more than 1,000,000,000,000,000
*potential* people are electively aborted DAILY, worldwide, by
men. Do you cy crocodile tears for all THOSE potential people too?
Or are you as hypocritical as are all the other people who disparage
abortion?

BTW -- there is NOTHING wrong with *convenience* It is nothing
short of HILARIOUS to watch as control-freaks WHINE because other
people happen to do things they happen to disagree with, because the
people doing them may do so for "convenience." (ROTFL!!!! That's
just funnier than hell !!! As though it were ANYone else's business!
LOL!!!)

Finally -- try reading the outline below, which i provided to you
earlier, again. THIS time, try allowing some of the many FACTS
that it contains -- which have already *answered* many of your
questions -- to sink in.

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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)

Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:

-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensible to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive

...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.

And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:

-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth

Abortion-on-request enables women to:

-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful

Legal abortion-on-request:

-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done

Other related facts include:

-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the year 2002 to date, in
the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic of
any nation in the entire history of the world.

Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.

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-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>

(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)

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INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---

http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html


AND...

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

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ALSO worth a look:

And... here's what happens to people like you & me:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html

However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"

www.awolbush.com

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Human life is a self-perpetuating CONTINUUM, and all entities
within it are both human and alive. ALL **four** stages of the
reproductive process's entities -- gametes, zygotes, embryoes, and
fetuses -- are human. unique, and alive.