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Why Progressives Shall Oppose Hillary Clinton |
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Sat Nov 05, 2005 at 06:07:39 AM PDT
Supporting Hillary Clinton is the smart thing to do, she has the
fundraising apparatus locked up - and is, in fact, already cutting off
people she doesn't like from getting any money. Which is one of the
reasons that I oppose Hillary Clinton as a disaster for progressives
and ultimately for the Democratic Party.
You want hard reasons? Let me list why I will never, ever, ever, ever,
ever support Hillary Clinton, because she cannot ever, ever, ever, ever
be trusted not to stab progressives in the back on key issues. She
isn't with us, except long enough to get the checks.
Let me start by way of explanation, when Bill Clinton first ran in
1992, I liked Hillary more than Bill, and even joked that we might be
voting for the wrong Clinton. I felt she was smarter and sharper than
Bill. She is, but, tin plated candidate that she is, she has no heart.
And she doesn't like liberals or progressives. That's a statement
reported from several sources. She looks at us the same way that
DeLay's team looks at religious right voters - as stupid cash cows.
1. Hillary Still Supports The War
If there is any single thing which shows that Hillary Clinton is a
rigid politician without the ability to see the bigger picture
correctly, it is Iraq. Iraq is a disaster, objectively speaking, check
your ideology at the door, no liberalism required. A start to finish
waste of time, money, blood, credibility, good will, military capital
and national focus. Anyone who supports it now is stupid, a warmonger,
or trying to get votes from stupid warmongers.
2. Hillary is against a balanced budget, and in favor of a bigger
military
Related to (1) above, Hillary is already pushing a bigger military.
This has three effects, none of them positive. The first is that it
makes balancing the budget impossible. There is no way to do it without
cutting huge amounts of spending, and the military is the largest
single discretionary item. This also means that it will be difficult to
grow GDP, which will force even more cuts from other programs. Think
the $35 Billion dollar "make the poor pay" bill is egregious? Try
closer to 100 billion over four years if you want to pay for a bigger
military.
Second, it continues the militarization of our economy. Many of the
ugly after effects of a militarized economy are seen in how we guzzle
gas: the same military technology is adapted for civilian use. Jets
rather than maglev trains, trucks rather than hybrid cars, hot nuclear
power rather than civilian nuclear power, sustainable energy and
micro-grids.
The third follows from the first, the militarization of our society.
Including rigid military think where people follow the leader. Even if
that leader is George Bush. America needs to stand down from the cold
war, and we haven't yet, because there is an entire economy that is
dependent on it. Hillary won't take this on, because she has no
political capital, no personal reason to, and no ideas on how to do so
anyway. We need a strong military, but not one that has consumed the
whole society - as Eisenhower said, balancing protecting from without,
against destroying from within.
3. Hillary backs anti-choice candidates, and is soft on the right to
privacy
Casey is a Hillary Clinton production, and we nearly got an anti-choice
candidate in Rhode Island.
Taken together, the first three problems point to a root problem, and
that is that Hillary intends to pander to the far right wingnut base.
This is smart politics for her, because these are the people who
attacked her, and her husband, relentlessly. She intends to bribe this
base with social issues and a military budget, and thus deprive the
right wing of its hoard of freep screamers. Good for her, bad for you.
4. Hillary Clinton will shut down, to as great an extent as is
practicable, openness.
In fact, Hillary Clinton is already cutting off people she doesn't like
in the party hierachy and in the democratic activist sphere. I can't
name names, but people here would recognize at least one of them.
5. Hillary intends to control the party with money and name recognition
Hillary already has a huge warechest, and is piling up more to make
anyone running against her impossible. There will be no primary season
of any consequence in 2008. Hillary already has it wrapped up, despite
her high negatives - because there is no one unHillary who has media
and money.
Taken together, this means that Hillary will be a triumph of old
politics. People here may think "well you can't stop the internet". Yes
you can, you can make it impossible for good content providers to get
paid. At which point they go off and do things for which they do get
paid. 8 years is a long time to go without a paycheck. Sure, opposition
to Hillary will still be there, but it will burn through people as they
find out there is no money in being against Hillary. A few people will
be on the "unHillary" beat, and that will be their niche.
I believe in the new poltics, which is why I do not believe in Hillary
Clinton.
6. Hillary is against Universal Health Care
7. Hillary is nowhere on energy
8. Hillary is nowhere on Global Warming, Global Trade, or the global
finacial crisis.
Taken together, this means that on the key problems facing the future,
Hillary is nowhere. She is either against, or has no vision what so
ever, on any issue which is important to progressives.
So what does Hillary have? Money, Media, Gender. That's enough to win
her the nomination, and, if she wins, she will be Bush Lite for 8
years, followed by 8 years of another full scale Bushoid - that means
almost another 20 years of reactionary government. Think about that. 20
more years of living in Bush's America. Worse still, some large choices
are about to be made that we will live with for a generation. Think
about that, most of us will die in Bush's America before we even get
back to where we were in 1999. 20 more years of watching privacy erode.
20 more years of watching big defense contractors get fat. 20 more
years of extraction energy, global warming, and "kick the base"
attacks.
I can't support it, I won't vote for it, I won't work for a party that
supports it. And at this point, I won't believe any conversions on her
part, because people who do deals with the devil, will do them when it
counts.
Hillary is not politically reliable: she is busy selling progressives
out now for her presidential bid. Which means that when she doesn't
need us at all, say the moment she has taken the oath of office and
need only get re-elected with no primaries the second time around, we
will be worse off than against a Republican, because we will have to
sit through at least one Republican president before getting a
progressive in the White House. If you don't want to see a progressive
President in your life time, then, by all means, support pro-war, soft
on choice, anti-progressive, old top down media politics Hillary
Clinton.
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05 Nov 2005 04:06:53 PM |
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<zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
having a woman in power would be intolerable.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "John P" |
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05 Nov 2005 05:59:39 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in a message
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
having a woman in power would be intolerable.
What does that have to do with Hillary Clinton?
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07 Nov 2005 09:43:11 AM |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:06:53 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
<zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
having a woman in power would be intolerable.
A bigger nutcase accusing a smaller nutcase of being in pay
of neocons.
Hilarious! With enemies like that, conservatives don't need
friends!
--
Two years after ''the day America changed forever,'' the culture is
in thrall to the same dopey self-delusion it held on Sept. 10, 2001:
There are no enemies, just friends we haven't yet apologized to.
(Mark Steyn)
Corollary:
There's a lot of enemies, not just friends we haven't yet
apologized to.
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| User: "Morton Davis" |
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07 Nov 2005 05:07:11 PM |
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"Bulba!" <bulba@bulba.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:06:53 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
<zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
having a woman in power would be intolerable.
A bigger nutcase accusing a smaller nutcase of being in pay
of neocons.
Hilarious! With enemies like that, conservatives don't need
friends!
YUP. John Kerry was the best campaigner the Republican Party had.
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| User: "Omega" |
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05 Nov 2005 04:12:22 PM |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:06:53 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
| <zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
|>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
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|>Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
|>by Stirling Newberry
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|Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
|having a woman in power would be intolerable.
then why do so may conservative (new or old) like Condi?
---
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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05 Nov 2005 08:39:49 PM |
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Omega <omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
| <zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
|>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
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|>Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
|>by Stirling Newberry
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|Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
|having a woman in power would be intolerable.
then why do so may conservative (new or old) like Condi?
Because she knows her place and is obedient to Bush.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "BOB" |
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05 Nov 2005 04:56:57 PM |
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Omega <omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote in
news:6hbqm1h1epq91ntja0jcqmq52nt7pk31a5@4ax.com:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:06:53 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
| <zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
|>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
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|>Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
|>by Stirling Newberry
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|Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
|having a woman in power would be intolerable.
then why do so may conservative (new or old) like Condi?
You must be confusing "like" with *tolerate*. They aren't the same
Omegawingnut.
---
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ...
freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your
arms ... May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget
that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or
no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the
Nuremberg trials
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| User: "Omega" |
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05 Nov 2005 06:10:56 PM |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:56:57 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
|>|>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
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|>|>Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
|>|>by Stirling Newberry
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|>|Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
|>|having a woman in power would be intolerable.
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|> then why do so may conservative (new or old) like Condi?
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|You must be confusing "like" with *tolerate*. They aren't the same
|Omegawingnut.
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Condi is someone that those on the right want as a candidate for president. Most
within the republican party would welcome her leadership.
---
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
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| User: "BOB" |
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05 Nov 2005 06:32:24 PM |
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Omega <omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote in
news:3eiqm1dir7nr9qhivamluk0ljbc2gd2m63@4ax.com:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:56:57 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
|>|>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
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|>|>Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
|>|>by Stirling Newberry
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|>|Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
|>|having a woman in power would be intolerable.
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|> then why do so may conservative (new or old) like Condi?
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|You must be confusing "like" with *tolerate*. They aren't the same
|Omegawingnut.
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Condi is someone that those on the right want as a candidate for
president.
Sure they would, Omegawingnut. Have you personally checked with all of
"those on the right" or do you have some psychic ability that provides
you with this knowledge?
Most within the republican party would welcome her
leadership.
"Most"? Intuition or more of your psychic abilities, Omegawingnut?
---
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ...
freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your
arms ... May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget
that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or
no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the
Nuremberg trials
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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05 Nov 2005 07:24:56 PM |
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Omega wrote:
Condi is someone that those on the right want as a candidate for president. Most
within the republican party would welcome her leadership.
Sure they would, she'd be as good a puppet as W is.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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06 Nov 2005 08:28:55 AM |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:24:56 -0800, Mimi Cohen <imnot@cox.net>
wrote:
Omega wrote:
Condi is someone that those on the right want as a candidate for president. Most
within the republican party would welcome her leadership.
Sure they would, she'd be as good a puppet as W is.
she'd be a far better puppet than the lying monkey is.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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06 Nov 2005 10:36:39 AM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:24:56 -0800, Mimi Cohen <imnot@cox.net>
wrote:
Omega wrote:
Condi is someone that those on the right want as a candidate for president. Most
within the republican party would welcome her leadership.
Sure they would, she'd be as good a puppet as W is.
she'd be a far better puppet than the lying monkey is.
:)
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| User: "Bertha Young" |
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06 Nov 2005 07:12:37 AM |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:10:56 GMT, Omega <omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:56:57 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
|>|>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
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|>|>Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
|>|>by Stirling Newberry
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|>|Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
|>|having a woman in power would be intolerable.
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|> then why do so may conservative (new or old) like Condi?
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|You must be confusing "like" with *tolerate*. They aren't the same
|Omegawingnut.
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Condi is someone...
Does Ms. Rice normally go by that shortened version of her name?
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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06 Nov 2005 08:32:41 AM |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 08:12:37 -0500, Bertha Young
<b_young@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:10:56 GMT, Omega <omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:56:57 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
|>|>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
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|>|>Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
|>|>by Stirling Newberry
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|>|Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
|>|having a woman in power would be intolerable.
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|> then why do so may conservative (new or old) like Condi?
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|You must be confusing "like" with *tolerate*. They aren't the same
|Omegawingnut.
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Condi is someone...
Does Ms. Rice normally go by that shortened version of her name?
surely by those with whom she is intimate.
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05 Nov 2005 06:13:02 PM |
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Omega wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:06:53 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
| <zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
|>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
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|>Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
|>by Stirling Newberry
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|Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
|having a woman in power would be intolerable.
then why do so may conservative (new or old) like Condi?
Obviously she must be easily programmed, controlled
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06 Nov 2005 12:15:16 PM |
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Omega wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:06:53 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
| <zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
|>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
|>Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
|>by Stirling Newberry
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|Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
|having a woman in power would be intolerable.
then why do so may conservative (new or old) like Condi?
Because they can use her skin color as a shield against
criticism.
--
Dan Clore
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1587154838/thedanclorenecro/
Lord We˙rdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/
News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"
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06 Nov 2005 04:15:44 PM |
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Dan Clore wrote:
Omega wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:06:53 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
| <zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
|>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
|>Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
|>by Stirling Newberry
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|Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
|having a woman in power would be intolerable.
then why do so may conservative (new or old) like Condi?
Because they can use her skin color as a shield against criticism.
BINGO give that man a kewpie doll! :)
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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05 Nov 2005 06:11:22 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
having a woman in power would be intolerable.
Exactly :)
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05 Nov 2005 05:00:20 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
having a woman in power would be intolerable.
Parrot Fischer strikes again...does the parrot have someting of
substance this time?
"SQUAWK...neocons..neocons....SQUAWK...control women..control
women...SQUAWK"
Nope, nothing but the same old driberal nonsense he spews in almost
every post.
The world wants to know..when will Fischer actually have something of
importance or interest to say?
The world may never know.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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06 Nov 2005 09:06:16 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in news:1131231620.302479.180210
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
"SQUAWK...neocons..neocons....SQUAWK...control women..control
women...SQUAWK"
what is the name of that community college helping you learn to
communicate?
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| User: "John P" |
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06 Nov 2005 12:53:45 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in a message
"SQUAWK...neocons..neocons....SQUAWK...control women..control
women...SQUAWK"
what is the name of that community college helping you learn to
communicate?
I would think it'd be Margaritaville Community College.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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06 Nov 2005 02:42:21 PM |
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"John P" <JohnP6617@comcast.net> wrote in news:Ntudnb4q7tSnzPPeRVn-
oQ@comcast.com:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in a message
"SQUAWK...neocons..neocons....SQUAWK...control women..control
women...SQUAWK"
what is the name of that community college helping you learn to
communicate?
I would think it'd be Margaritaville Community College.
i since read it is delaware something or other, a lowly rated college, and
for good reason it would seem
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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06 Nov 2005 04:16:30 PM |
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John P wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in a message
"SQUAWK...neocons..neocons....SQUAWK...control women..control
women...SQUAWK"
what is the name of that community college helping you learn to
communicate?
I would think it'd be Margaritaville Community College.
:)!
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| User: "Bertha Young" |
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06 Nov 2005 07:20:23 AM |
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On 5 Nov 2005 15:00:20 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
having a woman in power would be intolerable.
Parrot Fischer strikes again...does the parrot have someting of
substance this time?
"SQUAWK...neocons..neocons....SQUAWK...control women..control
women...SQUAWK"
Why are you quoting yourself, moron?
We all know you've parroted this parot nonsense.
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| User: "Morton Davis" |
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06 Nov 2005 05:47:48 PM |
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"Bertha Young" <b_young@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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On 5 Nov 2005 15:00:20 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
having a woman in power would be intolerable.
Parrot Fischer strikes again...does the parrot have someting of
substance this time?
"SQUAWK...neocons..neocons....SQUAWK...control women..control
women...SQUAWK"
Why are you quoting yourself, moron?
We all know you've parroted this parot nonsense.
Hitlary is a piece of *****.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Why Progressives Shall Oppose Hillary Clinton |
06 Nov 2005 08:44:40 PM |
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Morton Davis wrote:
"Bertha Young" <b_young@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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On 5 Nov 2005 15:00:20 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
having a woman in power would be intolerable.
Parrot Fischer strikes again...does the parrot have someting of
substance this time?
"SQUAWK...neocons..neocons....SQUAWK...control women..control
women...SQUAWK"
Why are you quoting yourself, moron?
We all know you've parroted this parot nonsense.
Hitlary is a piece of *****.
That's OK, you're a pig and an idiot
dismissed
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| User: "Bertha Young" |
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| Title: Re: Why Progressives Shall Oppose Hillary Clinton |
06 Nov 2005 06:37:01 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:47:48 GMT, "Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com>
wrote:
"Bertha Young" <b_young@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:ak0sm1diqumluef4t61k47qlfq7esbqg6t@4ax.com...
On 5 Nov 2005 15:00:20 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
having a woman in power would be intolerable.
Parrot Fischer strikes again...does the parrot have someting of
substance this time?
"SQUAWK...neocons..neocons....SQUAWK...control women..control
women...SQUAWK"
Why are you quoting yourself, moron?
We all know you've parroted this parot nonsense.
Hitlary is a piece of *****.
So is Robert Heishman who posts as "osprey."
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Why Progressives Shall Oppose Hillary Clinton |
06 Nov 2005 08:45:39 PM |
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Bertha Young wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:47:48 GMT, "Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com>
wrote:
"Bertha Young" <b_young@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:ak0sm1diqumluef4t61k47qlfq7esbqg6t@4ax.com...
On 5 Nov 2005 15:00:20 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
having a woman in power would be intolerable.
Parrot Fischer strikes again...does the parrot have someting of
substance this time?
"SQUAWK...neocons..neocons....SQUAWK...control women..control
women...SQUAWK"
Why are you quoting yourself, moron?
We all know you've parroted this parot nonsense.
Hitlary is a piece of *****.
So is Robert Heishman who posts as "osprey."
as is "Morton Davis"
:)
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Why Progressives Shall Oppose Hillary Clinton |
05 Nov 2005 08:40:31 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<zathras10@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/5/8740/02447
Why I Oppose Hillary Clinton
by Stirling Newberry
Because neocons need and want to subjugate and control women, and
having a woman in power would be intolerable.
Parrot Fischer strikes again...does the parrot have someting of
substance this time?
10 out of 10 for irony.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Why Progressives Shall Oppose Hillary Clinton |
05 Nov 2005 06:14:57 PM |
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osprey wrote:
"SQUAWK...neocons..neocons....SQUAWK...control women..control
women...SQUAWK"
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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