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Object: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi
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A rabbi's warning to U.S. Christians
Posted: January 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Rabbi Daniel Lapin
I am certainly not a Churchill. I am not even a Revel. I am having
enough trouble just trying to be a Lapin. But I am issuing a very
serious warning about deep consequences, just as they did. It is a
warning about the earliest stages of what could become a cataract of
disasters if not resisted now.
During the 1930s, Winston Churchill desperately tried to persuade the
English people and their government to see that Hitler meant to end
their way of life. The British ignored Churchill, which gave Hitler
nearly 10 years to build up his military forces. It wasn't until Hitler
actually drew blood that the British realized they had a war on their
hands. It turned out to be a far longer and more destructive war than
it needed to be had Churchill's early warning been heeded.
In 1983, a brave French writer, Jean-Francois Revel, wrote a book
called "How Democracies Perish." In this remarkable volume, he
described how communism's aim is world conquest. For decades he had
been trying to warn of communism's very real threat. Yet in January
1982, a high State Department official said: "We Americans are not
solving problems, we are the problem." (Some things never change.) A
good portion of the planet fell to communism, which brought misery and
death to millions because we failed to recognize in time that others
meant to harm us.
Heaven knows there was enough warning during the 1980s of the intention
of part of the Islamic world to take yet another crack at world
domination. Yet instead of seeing each deadly assault on our interests
around the world as a test of our resolve, we ignored it. We failed the
test and lost 3,000 Americans in two unforgettable hours.
I am not going to argue that what is happening now is on the same scale
as the examples I cite above, but a serious war is being waged against
a group of Americans. I am certain that if we lose this war, the
consequences for American civilization will be dire.
Phase one of this war I describe is a propaganda blitzkrieg that is
eerily reminiscent of how effectively the Goebbels propaganda machine
softened up the German people for what was to come.
There is no better term than propaganda blitzkrieg to describe what has
been unleashed against Christian conservatives recently.
Consider the long list of anti-Christian books that have been published
in recent months. Here are just a few samples of more than 30 similar
titles, all from mainstream publishers:
"American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America"
"The Baptizing of America: The Religious Right's Plans for the Rest of
Us"
"The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason"
"Piety & Politics: The Right-wing Assault on Religious Freedom"
"Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian
Fundamentalism"
"Thy Kingdom Come: How the Religious Right Distorts the Faith and
Threatens America"
"Religion Gone Bad: The Hidden Dangers of the Christian Right"
What is truly alarming is that there are more of these books for sale
at your local large book store warning against the perils of fervent
Christianity than those warning against the perils of fervent Islam.
Does anyone seriously think America is more seriously jeopardized by
Christian conservatives than by Islamic zealots? I fear that many
Americans believe just that in the same way that many pre-World War II
Westerners considered Churchill a bigger threat than Hitler.
Some may say that today's proliferation of anti-Christian print
propaganda is nothing to become worried about. To them I ask two
questions:
First, would you be so sanguine if the target of this loathsome library
were Jewish? Just try changing the titles in some of the books I
mention above to reflect anti-Semitism instead of rampant
anti-Christianism and you'll see what I mean.
Second, major movements that changed the way Americans felt and acted
came about through books, often only one book. Think of Rachel Carson's
1962 error-filled "Silent Spring" that resulted in the pointless
banning of the insecticide DDT and many unnecessary deaths. Other books
that caused upheavals in our nation were Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle,"
many of Ayn Rand's books and of course "Uncle Tom's Cabin."
No, I would advise you not to underestimate the power of books to alter
the behavior of the American public, and I fear for an America
influenced to detest Christianity by this hate-filled catalog.
It is not just books but popular entertainment also that beams the most
lurid anti-Christian propaganda into the hearts and minds of viewers.
One need only think of who the real targets of the recent hit movie
"Borat" are. The brilliant Jewish moviemaker Sacha Baron Cohen, as his
title character, using borderline dishonest wiles, lures some innocent
but unsophisticated country folk, obviously Christians, to join him in
his outrageously anti-Semitic antics. Cohen then triumphantly claims to
have exposed anti-Semitism. In fact, he has revealed nothing other than
the latent anti-Christianism of America's social, economic and academic
secular elites.
Even the recent PBS documentary, "Anti-Semitism in the 21st Century:
The Resurgence," managed to do more attacking Christianity than
defending Judaism.
Richard Dawkins, an Oxford University professor, is one of the generals
in the anti-Christian army of the secular left. American academia
treats him with reverence and hangs on his every word when he insists
that "religious myths ought not to be tolerated."
For those with a slightly more tolerant outlook, he asks, "It's one
thing to say people should be free to believe whatever they like, but
should they be free impose their beliefs on their children?" He
suggests that the state should intervene to protect children from their
parents' religious beliefs. Needless to say, he means Christian
beliefs, of course. Muslim beliefs add to England's charmingly diverse
cultural landscape.
The war is against those who regard the Bible to be God's revelation to
humanity and the Ten Commandments to be His set of rules for all time.
Phase one in this war is to make Christianity, well, sort of socially
unacceptable. Something only foolish, poor and ugly people could turn
to.
We have seen how a carefully constructed campaign pretty much made it
socially unacceptable to drink and drive. For years, there had been
stringent laws against drunk driving. They achieved little. In the end,
the practice was all but eliminated by groups allied with Mothers
Against Drunk Driving and their effective ways of changing the way
Americans thought about it.
We have seen how a carefully constructed campaign has pretty much made
it socially unacceptable to smoke. In the face of a relentless campaign
(dare one call it propaganda?), Americans became docile and forfeited
the right to make their own decisions. Nobody was willing to stand up
to the no-smoking tyrants. Nobody even asked whether health was
sufficient grounds for freedom to be reduced. Now, entire cities and
even states have banned smoking, not only in public places but even in
privately owned restaurants.
Tyranny comes when citizens are seduced into trading freedom for the
promise of safety and security.
Considerably more intellectual energy is being pumped into the
propaganda campaign against Christianity than was ever delivered to the
anti-smoking or anti-drunk-driving campaigns. Fervent zealots of
secularism are flinging themselves into this anti-Christian war with
enormous fanaticism.
If they succeed, Christianity will be driven underground, and its
benign influence on the character of America will be lost. In its place
we shall see a sinister secularism that menaces Bible believers of all
faiths. Once the voice of the Bible has been silenced, the war on
Western Civilization can begin and we shall see a long night of
barbarism descend on the West.
Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed, and
without America, the West is doomed.
Which is why I, an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, devoted to Jewish survival,
the Torah and Israel am so terrified of American Christianity caving
in.
Many of us Jews are ready to stand with you. But you must lead. You
must replace your timidity with nerve and your diffidence with daring
and determination. You are under attack. Now is the time to resist it.
Scholar, author and Jewish community leader Rabbi Daniel Lapin is
president of the national organization Toward Tradition .
.

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Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 09:14:26 AM
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A rabbi's warning to U.S. Christians



Posted: January 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Rabbi Daniel Lapin


I am certainly not a Churchill. I am not even a Revel. I am having
enough trouble just trying to be a Lapin. But I am issuing a very
serious warning about deep consequences, just as they did. It is a
warning about the earliest stages of what could become a cataract of
disasters if not resisted now.

During the 1930s, Winston Churchill desperately tried to persuade the
English people and their government to see that Hitler meant to end
their way of life. The British ignored Churchill, which gave Hitler
nearly 10 years to build up his military forces. It wasn't until Hitler
actually drew blood that the British realized they had a war on their
hands. It turned out to be a far longer and more destructive war than
it needed to be had Churchill's early warning been heeded.

In 1983, a brave French writer, Jean-Francois Revel, wrote a book
called "How Democracies Perish." In this remarkable volume, he
described how communism's aim is world conquest. For decades he had
been trying to warn of communism's very real threat. Yet in January
1982, a high State Department official said: "We Americans are not
solving problems, we are the problem." (Some things never change.) A
good portion of the planet fell to communism, which brought misery and
death to millions because we failed to recognize in time that others
meant to harm us.

Heaven knows there was enough warning during the 1980s of the intention
of part of the Islamic world to take yet another crack at world
domination. Yet instead of seeing each deadly assault on our interests
around the world as a test of our resolve, we ignored it. We failed the
test and lost 3,000 Americans in two unforgettable hours.

I am not going to argue that what is happening now is on the same scale
as the examples I cite above, but a serious war is being waged against
a group of Americans. I am certain that if we lose this war, the
consequences for American civilization will be dire.

Phase one of this war I describe is a propaganda blitzkrieg that is
eerily reminiscent of how effectively the Goebbels propaganda machine
softened up the German people for what was to come.

There is no better term than propaganda blitzkrieg to describe what has
been unleashed against Christian conservatives recently.

Consider the long list of anti-Christian books that have been published
in recent months. Here are just a few samples of more than 30 similar
titles, all from mainstream publishers:


"American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America"
"The Baptizing of America: The Religious Right's Plans for the Rest of
Us"

"The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason"

"Piety & Politics: The Right-wing Assault on Religious Freedom"

"Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian
Fundamentalism"

"Thy Kingdom Come: How the Religious Right Distorts the Faith and
Threatens America"

"Religion Gone Bad: The Hidden Dangers of the Christian Right"

What is truly alarming is that there are more of these books for sale
at your local large book store warning against the perils of fervent
Christianity than those warning against the perils of fervent Islam.
Does anyone seriously think America is more seriously jeopardized by
Christian conservatives than by Islamic zealots? I fear that many
Americans believe just that in the same way that many pre-World War II
Westerners considered Churchill a bigger threat than Hitler.

Some may say that today's proliferation of anti-Christian print
propaganda is nothing to become worried about. To them I ask two
questions:

First, would you be so sanguine if the target of this loathsome library
were Jewish? Just try changing the titles in some of the books I
mention above to reflect anti-Semitism instead of rampant
anti-Christianism and you'll see what I mean.

Second, major movements that changed the way Americans felt and acted
came about through books, often only one book. Think of Rachel Carson's
1962 error-filled "Silent Spring" that resulted in the pointless
banning of the insecticide DDT and many unnecessary deaths. Other books
that caused upheavals in our nation were Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle,"
many of Ayn Rand's books and of course "Uncle Tom's Cabin."

No, I would advise you not to underestimate the power of books to alter
the behavior of the American public, and I fear for an America
influenced to detest Christianity by this hate-filled catalog.

It is not just books but popular entertainment also that beams the most
lurid anti-Christian propaganda into the hearts and minds of viewers.
One need only think of who the real targets of the recent hit movie
"Borat" are. The brilliant Jewish moviemaker Sacha Baron Cohen, as his
title character, using borderline dishonest wiles, lures some innocent
but unsophisticated country folk, obviously Christians, to join him in
his outrageously anti-Semitic antics. Cohen then triumphantly claims to
have exposed anti-Semitism. In fact, he has revealed nothing other than
the latent anti-Christianism of America's social, economic and academic
secular elites.

Even the recent PBS documentary, "Anti-Semitism in the 21st Century:
The Resurgence," managed to do more attacking Christianity than
defending Judaism.

Richard Dawkins, an Oxford University professor, is one of the generals
in the anti-Christian army of the secular left. American academia
treats him with reverence and hangs on his every word when he insists
that "religious myths ought not to be tolerated."

For those with a slightly more tolerant outlook, he asks, "It's one
thing to say people should be free to believe whatever they like, but
should they be free impose their beliefs on their children?" He
suggests that the state should intervene to protect children from their
parents' religious beliefs. Needless to say, he means Christian
beliefs, of course. Muslim beliefs add to England's charmingly diverse
cultural landscape.

The war is against those who regard the Bible to be God's revelation to
humanity and the Ten Commandments to be His set of rules for all time.
Phase one in this war is to make Christianity, well, sort of socially
unacceptable. Something only foolish, poor and ugly people could turn
to.

We have seen how a carefully constructed campaign pretty much made it
socially unacceptable to drink and drive. For years, there had been
stringent laws against drunk driving. They achieved little. In the end,
the practice was all but eliminated by groups allied with Mothers
Against Drunk Driving and their effective ways of changing the way
Americans thought about it.

We have seen how a carefully constructed campaign has pretty much made
it socially unacceptable to smoke. In the face of a relentless campaign
(dare one call it propaganda?), Americans became docile and forfeited
the right to make their own decisions. Nobody was willing to stand up
to the no-smoking tyrants. Nobody even asked whether health was
sufficient grounds for freedom to be reduced. Now, entire cities and
even states have banned smoking, not only in public places but even in
privately owned restaurants.

Tyranny comes when citizens are seduced into trading freedom for the
promise of safety and security.

Considerably more intellectual energy is being pumped into the
propaganda campaign against Christianity than was ever delivered to the
anti-smoking or anti-drunk-driving campaigns. Fervent zealots of
secularism are flinging themselves into this anti-Christian war with
enormous fanaticism.

If they succeed, Christianity will be driven underground, and its
benign influence on the character of America will be lost. In its place
we shall see a sinister secularism that menaces Bible believers of all
faiths. Once the voice of the Bible has been silenced, the war on
Western Civilization can begin and we shall see a long night of
barbarism descend on the West.

Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed, and
without America, the West is doomed.

Which is why I, an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, devoted to Jewish survival,
the Torah and Israel am so terrified of American Christianity caving
in.

Many of us Jews are ready to stand with you. But you must lead. You
must replace your timidity with nerve and your diffidence with daring
and determination. You are under attack. Now is the time to resist it.

Unfortunately, there are many who regularly crosspost to Christian
NGs who are on the side of the anti Christian movement. These people
are dupes, lapdogs and lackies of extremist who want to see the demise
of America.
Dan Wood




Scholar, author and Jewish community leader Rabbi Daniel Lapin is
president of the national organization Toward Tradition .

.
User: ""

Title: America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 08:21:57 PM
Dan Wood wrote:

Unfortunately, there are many who regularly crosspost to Christian
NGs who are on the side of the anti Christian movement. These people
are dupes, lapdogs and lackies of extremist who want to see the demise
of America.

I believe Sound of Trumpet is one of them. He posts articles from
the most extreme corners of the Christian community, which defame
Christianity and hold it up to ridicule.
.
User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 16 Jan 2007 02:29:23 PM
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Dan Wood wrote:

Unfortunately, there are many who regularly crosspost to Christian
NGs who are on the side of the anti Christian movement. These people
are dupes, lapdogs and lackies of extremist who want to see the demise
of America.


I believe Sound of Trumpet is one of them. He posts articles from
the most extreme corners of the Christian community, which defame
Christianity and hold it up to ridicule.

well, christianity is a TOTAL AND COMPLETE CROCK OF CRAP
.


User: "publius2k"

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 04:23:48 PM
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:14:26 -0500, "Dan Wood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

If they succeed, Christianity will be driven underground, and its
benign influence on the character of America will be lost.

Benign?
"The Americas were discovered in 1492, and the first Christian
settlements established by the Spanish the following year. It is
accordingly forty-nine years now since Spaniards began arriving in
numbers in this part of the world. They first settled the large and
fertile island of Hispaniola, which boasts six hundred leagues of
coastline and is surrounded by a great many other large islands, all
of them, as I saw for myself, with as high a native population as
anywhere on earth."
"At a conservative estimate, the despotic and diabolical behaviour of
the Christians has, over the last forty years, led to the unjust and
totally unwarranted deaths of more than twelve million souls, women
and children among them, and there are grounds for believing my own
estimate of more than fifteen million to be nearer the mark.
There are two main ways in which those who have travelled to this part
of the world pretending to be Christians have uprooted these pitiful
peoples and wiped them from the face of the earth. First, they have
waged war on them: unjust, cruel, bloody and tyrannical war. Second,
they have murdered anyone and everyone who has shown the slightest
sign of resistance, or even of wishing to escape the torment to which
they have subjected him. ***
The reason the Christians have murdered on such a vast scale and
killed anyone and everyone in their way is purely and simply greed.
They have set out to line their pockets with gold and to amass private
fortunes as quickly as possible so that they can then assume a status
quite at odds with that into which they were born. Their insatiable
greed and overweening ambition know no bounds; the land is fertile and
rich, the inhabitants simple, forbearing and submissive. The Spaniards
have shown not the slightest consideration for these people, treating
them (and I speak from first-hand experience, having been there from
the outset) not as brute animals - indeed, I would to God they had
done and had shown them the consideration they afford their animals -
so much as piles of dung in the middle of the road."
http://www.wise.virginia.edu/history/wciv2/casas.html
Benign dung I guess eh?
"In the Island of Hispaniola, to which the Spaniards came first, these
slaughters and ruins of mankind took their beginning. They took away
their women and children to serve them, though the reward which they
gave them was a sad and fatal one.
***
"... the Spaniards ... came with their Horsemen well armed with Sword
and Lance, making most cruel havocs and slaughters among them.
Overrunning Cities and Villages, where they spared no sex nor age;
neither would their cruelty pity Women with child, whose bellies they
would rip up, taking out the Infant to hew it in pieces. They would
often lay wagers who should with most dexterity either cleave or cut a
man in the middle, or who could at one blow cut off his head. The
children they would take by the feet and dash their innocent heads
against the rocks, and when they were fallen into the water, with a
strange and cruel derision they would call upon them to swim.
Sometimes they would run both Mother and Infant, being in her belly
quite through at one thrust.
***They erected certain Gallowses, that were broad but so low, that
the tormented creatures might touch the ground with their feet, upon
every one of which they would hang thirteen persons, blasphemously
affirming that they did it in honor of our Redeemer and his Apostles,
and then putting fire under them, they burnt the poor wretches
alive.***"
[In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, light the fire
and let's eat!]
" Those whom their pity did think fit to spare, they would send away
with their hands half cut off, and so hanging by the skin. Thus
upbraiding their flight, Go carry letters to those who lye bid in the
mountains and are fled from us. This Death they found out also for the
Lords and Nobles of the Land; they stuck up forked sticks in the
ground, and then laid certain perches upon them, and so laying them
upon those perches, they put a gentle fire under, causing the fire to
melt them away by degrees, to their unspeakable torment.
One time above the rest I saw four of the Nobles laid upon these
perches, and two or three other of these kind of hurdles furnished
after the same manner; the clamors and cries of which persons being
troublesome to the Captain, he gave order that they should be hang'd,
but the Executioner whose name I know, and whose parents are not
obscure, hindered their Calamity from so quick a conclusion, stopping
their mouths, that they should not disturb the Captain, and still
laying on more wood, till being roasted according to his pleasure,
they yielded up the ghost. Of these and other things innumerable I
have been an eye-witness; Now because there were some that shun'd like
so many rocks the cruelty of a Nation so inhumane, so void of piety
and love to mankind, and therefore fled from them to the mountains;
therefore they hunted them with their Hounds, whom they bred up and
taught to pull down and tear the Indians like beasts: by these Dogs
much human blood was shed; and because the Indians did now and then
kill a Spaniard, taking him at an advantage, as justly they might;
therefore the Spaniards made a Law among themselves, that for one
Spaniard so slain, they should kill a hundred Indians."
from this eyewitness, primary source [a Catholic priest no less]:
"A Brief Account of the Destruction of the Indies," by Bartolome de
Las Casas (1542)
http://social.chass.ncsu.edu/slatta/hi216/documents/dlascasas.htm


Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed, and
without America, the West is doomed.

Rather, America [the western hemisphere] was doomed by the arrival of
'Christianity'.
"To these quiet Lambs, endued with such blessed qualities, came the
Spaniards like most cruel Tigres, Wolves, and Lions, enrag'd with a
sharp and ferocious hunger; for these forty years past, minding
nothing else but the slaughter of these unfortunate wretches, whom
with divers kinds of torments neither seen nor heard of before, they
have so cruelly and inhumanely butchered, that of three millions of
people which Hispaniola it self did contain, there are left remaining
alive scarce three hundred persons."
Within 2 generations, virtually the entire population of millions on
the island now called Haiti/Dominican Republic were wiped out. Needing
servants and gold miners, the Christians then imported slaves from
Africa and from 'New Spain', they captured other Indian peoples from
Central and South America and shipped them to 'Hispaniola'.
Some current historians believe Las Casas underestimated and that
actually 8 million people were ethnically cleansed from that one
island in the first 40 years of Christian visitation.
- - -
Said American [Indian] Chieftain Acuera in reply to the invader de Soto's demand for submission
to the king and the church so as to 'enjoy the benefits of 'civilization' and service:
"I have long since learned who you [European Christians] are, through others of you who came
years ago to my land; and I already know very well what your customs and behavior are like.
To me you are professional vagabonds who wander from place to place, gaining your livelihood
by robbing, sacking and murdering people who have given you no offense.
... Accordingly, I and all of my people have vowed to die a hundred deaths
to maintain the freedom of our land. This is our answer, both for the present and forevermore."
-- "Florida of the Inca" (1591) by El Inca [aka Garcilaso de la Vega]
- First American Author to be published.
.

User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 13 Jan 2007 12:02:12 PM
people should not be worshipping a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky buddy
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User: "seon ferguson"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 18 Jan 2007 01:07:11 AM
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people should not be worshipping a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky buddy


Who should they be worshiping? you?
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User: "brique"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 19 Jan 2007 02:58:22 PM
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people should not be worshipping a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky buddy


Who should they be worshiping? you?


How about worshipping nobody?
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User: "Curly Surmudgeon"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 19 Jan 2007 04:53:10 PM
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people should not be worshipping a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky buddy


Who should they be worshiping? you?



How about worshipping nobody?

That would be a dull world indeed. Now I'll have to take down my poster
of Monica Bellucci....
-- Regards, Curly
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User: "brique"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 20 Jan 2007 05:59:53 AM
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:58:22 +0000, brique wrote:


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people should not be worshipping a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky buddy


Who should they be worshiping? you?



How about worshipping nobody?


That would be a dull world indeed. Now I'll have to take down my poster
of Monica Bellucci....

nah, leave it up.... aethists are exempt from any rules about worshipping...
its the crazymotherfuckers who cant handle the concept without going
nuts.....


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User: ""

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 13 Jan 2007 08:24:50 PM
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:

people should not be worshipping a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky buddy

God is all-powerful and decides whom gets to enter Heaven; that is
reason enough to worship Him.
Michael
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User: "brique"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 14 Jan 2007 11:56:21 AM
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:

people should not be worshipping a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky buddy

God is all-powerful and decides whom gets to enter Heaven; that is
reason enough to worship Him.


I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have you as a member....

Michael

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User: "publius2k"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 14 Jan 2007 07:29:58 PM
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:56:21 -0000, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:


<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168741490.318512.229780@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...


SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:

people should not be worshipping a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky buddy

God is all-powerful and decides whom gets to enter Heaven; that is
reason enough to worship Him.



I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have you as a member....

When the christian spaniard asked the Indian one last time before
being roasted alive if he was willing to accept jesus and the church
into his life so as to be saved from the fire and be able to enter
heaven to be with god, the Indian asked.. Is that where you are going
when you die? When assured by the christian spaniard that it was so,
the Indian replied 'In that case, I prefer not to go there' .. so come
on baby light my fire.
- - -
Said American [Indian] Chieftain Acuera in reply to the invader de Soto's demand for submission
to the king and the church so as to 'enjoy the benefits of 'civilization' and service:
"I have long since learned who you [European Christians] are, through others of you who came
years ago to my land; and I already know very well what your customs and behavior are like.
To me you are professional vagabonds who wander from place to place, gaining your livelihood
by robbing, sacking and murdering people who have given you no offense.
... Accordingly, I and all of my people have vowed to die a hundred deaths
to maintain the freedom of our land. This is our answer, both for the present and forevermore."
-- "Florida of the Inca" (1591) by El Inca [aka Garcilaso de la Vega]
- First American Author to be published.
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User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 14 Jan 2007 10:43:18 AM
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:

people should not be worshipping a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky buddy

God is all-powerful and decides whom gets to enter Heaven; that is
reason enough to worship Him.

if the christian god is ALL-POWERFUL as you suggest, then why is he such a
CHICKEN-***** COWARD? many times I have demanded that your ***** sky buddy
get his FAT, LAZY ***** down to my front door so I can kill him.
and your horseshit ***** god fails to show up TIME AFTER TIME (I know I am
shocked and surprised)
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User: ""

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 14 Jan 2007 03:18:31 PM
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:

<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168741490.318512.229780@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...


SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:

people should not be worshipping a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky buddy

God is all-powerful and decides whom gets to enter Heaven; that is
reason enough to worship Him.


if the christian god is ALL-POWERFUL as you suggest, then why is he such a
CHICKEN-***** COWARD? many times I have demanded that your ***** sky buddy
get his FAT, LAZY ***** down to my front door so I can kill him.

and your horseshit ***** god fails to show up TIME AFTER TIME (I know I am
shocked and surprised)

Maybe you should not act like an impotent whiner.
Michael
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User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 14 Jan 2007 06:17:59 PM

and your horseshit ***** god fails to show up TIME AFTER TIME (I know I
am
shocked and surprised)

Maybe you should not act like an impotent whiner.

maybe your ***** sky pixie should show his COWARDLY face for once.
.



User: "Sylvia R. Dickinson"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 14 Jan 2007 12:53:59 PM
wrote:

God is all-powerful and decides whom gets to enter Heaven; that is
reason enough to worship Him.

That's what fear-mongers want to impose on the weak-minded.
You can't force faith, idiot.
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User: "Anarcissie"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 14 Jan 2007 01:15:12 PM
Sylvia R. Dickinson wrote:

mejercit@hotmail.com wrote:

God is all-powerful and decides whom gets to enter Heaven; that is
reason enough to worship Him.


That's what fear-mongers want to impose on the weak-minded.
You can't force faith, idiot.

It's not only faith; it's admiration for power, no matter how
ugly or violent. You can see why so many self-professed
Christians support Bush.
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User: "brique"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 14 Jan 2007 11:25:11 PM
Anarcissie <anarcissie@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Sylvia R. Dickinson wrote:

mejercit@hotmail.com wrote:

God is all-powerful and decides whom gets to enter Heaven; that is
reason enough to worship Him.


That's what fear-mongers want to impose on the weak-minded.
You can't force faith, idiot.


It's not only faith; it's admiration for power, no matter how
ugly or violent. You can see why so many self-professed
Christians support Bush.

The doorman at the local night-club is all-powerful and decides who shall
enter.
I haven't noticed anyone worshipping him though. Maybe that is why he always
looks so angry. Thwarted deities, huh.....
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User: "Attila"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 14 Jan 2007 05:48:15 AM
On 13 Jan 2007 18:24:50 -0800,
in alt.abortion
with message-id
<1168741490.318512.229780@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> wrote:


SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:

people should not be worshipping a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian sky buddy

God is all-powerful and decides whom gets to enter Heaven; that is
reason enough to worship Him.


Prove any of that. Start with proving any god exists.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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User: "Always Question"

Title: Re: With Christianity, America Is Doomed, 14 Jan 2007 12:06:22 AM
X-No-Archive: Yes
Sound of the Trumpet is deluded or duped. Christian
Neo-Conservatives are not friends of Judaism.
They think the Bible tells them that in Revelations, just before the
very end of the world, all the Jews will be drawn back automatically to
the Holy Land to reassemble there, but once there they will have to
decide to convert to born-again Christianity, or they will burn with
the rest of us unbelievers left behind.
The far-righteous are in league with Jews at present only temporarily
to make sure a biblical passage will come to fruition, after which
their true colors will come out in stark red at which time they will
leave all Jews who refuse to convert....behind in the dust.
No self-respecting Jew should think the Far Righteous are trustworthy,
tolerant or accepting of them. They're only working for their own
agenda.
N.
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User: "Attila"

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 10:05:03 AM
On 13 Jan 2007 06:43:06 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1168699386.114866.27690@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> wrote:



A rabbi's warning to U.S. Christians

More cultist nonsense.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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User: "satyr"

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 02:36:17 PM
On 13 Jan 2007 06:43:06 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote:

Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed, and
without America, the West is doomed.

Which is why I, an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, devoted to Jewish survival,
the Torah and Israel am so terrified of American Christianity caving
in.

Then become a fucking Christian, you moron. If it's not good enough
for you, why would you think that I would want to join.
Nazi Germany had a vibrant and vital Christianity, is that the
direction you would like us to go?
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 12:39:07 PM
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:43:06 -0800, Sound of Trumpet wrote:


http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53748



A rabbi's warning to U.S. Christians

So, when people are willing to kill for a belief system that has no
objective basis, or tolerate people who do, that's a good thing?
Is it painful to be so stupid?
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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User: "cactus"

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 07:48:29 PM
Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53748



A rabbi's warning to U.S. Christians



Posted: January 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Rabbi Daniel Lapin


I am certainly not a Churchill. I am not even a Revel. I am having
enough trouble just trying to be a Lapin. But I am issuing a very
serious warning about deep consequences, just as they did. It is a
warning about the earliest stages of what could become a cataract of
disasters if not resisted now.

During the 1930s, Winston Churchill desperately tried to persuade the
English people and their government to see that Hitler meant to end
their way of life. The British ignored Churchill, which gave Hitler
nearly 10 years to build up his military forces. It wasn't until Hitler
actually drew blood that the British realized they had a war on their
hands. It turned out to be a far longer and more destructive war than
it needed to be had Churchill's early warning been heeded.

In 1983, a brave French writer, Jean-Francois Revel, wrote a book
called "How Democracies Perish." In this remarkable volume, he
described how communism's aim is world conquest. For decades he had
been trying to warn of communism's very real threat. Yet in January
1982, a high State Department official said: "We Americans are not
solving problems, we are the problem." (Some things never change.) A
good portion of the planet fell to communism, which brought misery and
death to millions because we failed to recognize in time that others
meant to harm us.

Heaven knows there was enough warning during the 1980s of the intention
of part of the Islamic world to take yet another crack at world
domination. Yet instead of seeing each deadly assault on our interests
around the world as a test of our resolve, we ignored it. We failed the
test and lost 3,000 Americans in two unforgettable hours.

I am not going to argue that what is happening now is on the same scale
as the examples I cite above, but a serious war is being waged against
a group of Americans. I am certain that if we lose this war, the
consequences for American civilization will be dire.

Phase one of this war I describe is a propaganda blitzkrieg that is
eerily reminiscent of how effectively the Goebbels propaganda machine
softened up the German people for what was to come.

There is no better term than propaganda blitzkrieg to describe what has
been unleashed against Christian conservatives recently.

Consider the long list of anti-Christian books that have been published
in recent months. Here are just a few samples of more than 30 similar
titles, all from mainstream publishers:


"American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America"
"The Baptizing of America: The Religious Right's Plans for the Rest of
Us"

"The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason"

"Piety & Politics: The Right-wing Assault on Religious Freedom"

"Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian
Fundamentalism"

"Thy Kingdom Come: How the Religious Right Distorts the Faith and
Threatens America"

"Religion Gone Bad: The Hidden Dangers of the Christian Right"

What is truly alarming is that there are more of these books for sale
at your local large book store warning against the perils of fervent
Christianity than those warning against the perils of fervent Islam.
Does anyone seriously think America is more seriously jeopardized by
Christian conservatives than by Islamic zealots? I fear that many
Americans believe just that in the same way that many pre-World War II
Westerners considered Churchill a bigger threat than Hitler.

Some may say that today's proliferation of anti-Christian print
propaganda is nothing to become worried about. To them I ask two
questions:

First, would you be so sanguine if the target of this loathsome library
were Jewish? Just try changing the titles in some of the books I
mention above to reflect anti-Semitism instead of rampant
anti-Christianism and you'll see what I mean.

Second, major movements that changed the way Americans felt and acted
came about through books, often only one book. Think of Rachel Carson's
1962 error-filled "Silent Spring" that resulted in the pointless
banning of the insecticide DDT and many unnecessary deaths. Other books
that caused upheavals in our nation were Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle,"
many of Ayn Rand's books and of course "Uncle Tom's Cabin."

No, I would advise you not to underestimate the power of books to alter
the behavior of the American public, and I fear for an America
influenced to detest Christianity by this hate-filled catalog.

It is not just books but popular entertainment also that beams the most
lurid anti-Christian propaganda into the hearts and minds of viewers.
One need only think of who the real targets of the recent hit movie
"Borat" are. The brilliant Jewish moviemaker Sacha Baron Cohen, as his
title character, using borderline dishonest wiles, lures some innocent
but unsophisticated country folk, obviously Christians, to join him in
his outrageously anti-Semitic antics. Cohen then triumphantly claims to
have exposed anti-Semitism. In fact, he has revealed nothing other than
the latent anti-Christianism of America's social, economic and academic
secular elites.

Even the recent PBS documentary, "Anti-Semitism in the 21st Century:
The Resurgence," managed to do more attacking Christianity than
defending Judaism.

Richard Dawkins, an Oxford University professor, is one of the generals
in the anti-Christian army of the secular left. American academia
treats him with reverence and hangs on his every word when he insists
that "religious myths ought not to be tolerated."

For those with a slightly more tolerant outlook, he asks, "It's one
thing to say people should be free to believe whatever they like, but
should they be free impose their beliefs on their children?" He
suggests that the state should intervene to protect children from their
parents' religious beliefs. Needless to say, he means Christian
beliefs, of course. Muslim beliefs add to England's charmingly diverse
cultural landscape.

The war is against those who regard the Bible to be God's revelation to
humanity and the Ten Commandments to be His set of rules for all time.
Phase one in this war is to make Christianity, well, sort of socially
unacceptable. Something only foolish, poor and ugly people could turn
to.

We have seen how a carefully constructed campaign pretty much made it
socially unacceptable to drink and drive. For years, there had been
stringent laws against drunk driving. They achieved little. In the end,
the practice was all but eliminated by groups allied with Mothers
Against Drunk Driving and their effective ways of changing the way
Americans thought about it.

We have seen how a carefully constructed campaign has pretty much made
it socially unacceptable to smoke. In the face of a relentless campaign
(dare one call it propaganda?), Americans became docile and forfeited
the right to make their own decisions. Nobody was willing to stand up
to the no-smoking tyrants. Nobody even asked whether health was
sufficient grounds for freedom to be reduced. Now, entire cities and
even states have banned smoking, not only in public places but even in
privately owned restaurants.

Tyranny comes when citizens are seduced into trading freedom for the
promise of safety and security.

Considerably more intellectual energy is being pumped into the
propaganda campaign against Christianity than was ever delivered to the
anti-smoking or anti-drunk-driving campaigns. Fervent zealots of
secularism are flinging themselves into this anti-Christian war with
enormous fanaticism.

If they succeed, Christianity will be driven underground, and its
benign influence on the character of America will be lost. In its place
we shall see a sinister secularism that menaces Bible believers of all
faiths. Once the voice of the Bible has been silenced, the war on
Western Civilization can begin and we shall see a long night of
barbarism descend on the West.

Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed, and
without America, the West is doomed.

Which is why I, an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, devoted to Jewish survival,
the Torah and Israel am so terrified of American Christianity caving
in.

Many of us Jews are ready to stand with you. But you must lead. You
must replace your timidity with nerve and your diffidence with daring
and determination. You are under attack. Now is the time to resist it.




Scholar, author and Jewish community leader Rabbi Daniel Lapin is
president of the national organization Toward Tradition .

He misses the point. The reason that these books are being written is
that there is a real threat of Christian fundamentalism becoming a
stronger fascist movement than it is.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Without Christianity, America Is Doomed, Says Orthodox Rabbi 13 Jan 2007 10:47:09 AM
Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53748>


A rabbi's warning to U.S. Christians


Posted: January 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Rabbi Daniel Lapin>

<snip>

There is no better term than propaganda blitzkrieg to describe what has
been unleashed against Christian conservatives recently.

IOW, the Christians who support Israel.
<snip>

Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed, and
without America, the West is doomed.

Tell it to your Zionist bretheren who continue to try to bash
Christmas.

Which is why I, an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, devoted to Jewish survival,
the Torah and Israel am so terrified of American Christianity caving
in.

Many of us Jews are ready to stand with you. But you must lead. You
must replace your timidity with nerve and your diffidence with daring
and determination.

Christian timidity is a response to the Zionist attack on Christianity,
which
has been going on for some years now. But oh, Zionists have suddenly
realized that nutty "conservative" Christians are all bending over for
Israel, now things should be all chummy between Jews and Christians.

You are under attack. Now is the time to resist it.

Christians have BEEN under attack ribeye
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