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23 Feb 2004 07:52:00 PM |
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Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill |
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue. In the abortion attempt
against Ana Rosa Rodrigez, the woman also claimed that the
abortionists had forced her to continue after her mind was changed.
That is the case where the girl was born with one arm.
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
There is hope and options besides abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
23 Feb 2004 09:06:20 PM |
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Sam <sa836284@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu> wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Warnock" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
01 Mar 2004 08:20:21 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c1ef3c$hro$1@bolt.sonic.net...
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
****** So even expensive clinics have botched abortions!!
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**** The fact that the greatest scientists, to their utter dismay, can't
breath life into a dead body or create a perfect animal and breath life into
it - is PROOF of a higher intelligence! ****
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
01 Mar 2004 04:21:35 PM |
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Warnock wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c1ef3c$hro$1@bolt.sonic.net...
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
****** So even expensive clinics have botched abortions!!
Yup. It's a surgery.
--
**** The fact that the greatest scientists, to their utter dismay, can't
breath life into a dead body or create a perfect animal and breath life into
it - is PROOF of a higher intelligence! ****
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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| User: "Sam" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
24 Feb 2004 08:16:19 AM |
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On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
That is not clear. Beside, I believe the woman wanted to leave there
and get an abulance, but the abortionist continued to proceed on her,
against HER demands. She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance. When she says, "stop" he no longer has consent to
proceed, and he is proceeding against HER will. Also, you cut the part
of my post where I mentioned that the woman in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez
case, (the girl that the abortionists tried to kill who was born with
one arm) the woman there also claimed that the abortionist proceeded
AFTER SHE SAID TO STOP. It's amazing that you say things like, "I'm
not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice," but you don't value the woman's
demands that the abortionist stop. She chose to withdraw consent, but
he proceeded.
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
29 Feb 2004 05:20:16 AM |
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(Sam) wrote in message news:<5b6a2e7d.0402240616.63c1f30@posting.google.com>...
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
That is not clear. Beside, I believe the woman wanted to leave there
and get an abulance, but the abortionist continued to proceed on her,
against HER demands. She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance. When she says, "stop" he no longer has consent to
proceed, and he is proceeding against HER will. Also, you cut the part
of my post where I mentioned that the woman in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez
case, (the girl that the abortionists tried to kill who was born with
one arm) the woman there also claimed that the abortionist proceeded
AFTER SHE SAID TO STOP. It's amazing that you say things like, "I'm
not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice," but you don't value the woman's
demands that the abortionist stop. She chose to withdraw consent, but
he proceeded.
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
The very last thing they value is a woman's choice. Most men that
claim to be pro-choice are so, only because with abortion it is their
ticket out of responsibility.
Many woman are force into abortion or convinced it is the right choice
to make. Only to regret it for the rest of their lives.
They claim to be pro-choice and not pro-abortion. This shows them to
be saying they favor choice, but one of those choices(abortion) they
don't favor or support being legalized.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
29 Feb 2004 12:47:08 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
sa836284@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Sam)
That is not clear. Beside, I believe the woman wanted to leave there
and get an abulance, but the abortionist continued to proceed on her,
Sam believes his lies.
The very last thing they value is a woman's choice.
Heishamn, not only are you a lying *****, you're dumber than toast
as well. We defend the freedom of choce against goose-stepping
fascists like yourself and then you try doublespeak to claim otherwise.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
29 Feb 2004 05:49:22 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c1tc3b$ebq$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
sa836284@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Sam)
That is not clear. Beside, I believe the woman wanted to leave there
and get an abulance, but the abortionist continued to proceed on her,
Sam believes his lies.
The very last thing they value is a woman's choice.
Heishamn, not only are you a lying *****, you're dumber than toast
as well. We defend the freedom of choce against goose-stepping
fascists like yourself and then you try doublespeak to claim otherwise.
Some defense. Lets look at a comment Ray Fischer made about another
woman and see his level of respect towards women as you will see, he
has no respect at all.
Not to mention the bashing of women Ray attacks that don't agree with
pro-choice/abortion
Some respect...
DivaSycamore <nothanks@none.com> wrote:
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DivaSycamore <nothanks@none.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
DivaSycamore <nothanks@none.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
If in
the event that the female turns out to be pregnant, then the
man is
SUPPOSED to stick around.
Why? Is she a little girl who can't take care of herself?
Your words, not mine.
You're not answering the question.
No, she's NOT a little girl. There, happy now?
Why is he supposed to stick around?
It's his responsibility to BE A MAN and help out
Spare us the sexist *****.
So now it's sexist to be RESPONSIBLE?
And you should shut-up and attend to your RESPONSIBILITIES
around the home.
You don't want a man.
I already HAVE one dearie.
Then why the hell aren't you taking care of him instead of wasting
your time blathering about things you don't understand?
Get back to work, woman. Make yourself useful.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
29 Feb 2004 07:11:03 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c1tc3b$ebq$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
sa836284@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Sam)
That is not clear. Beside, I believe the woman wanted to leave there
and get an abulance, but the abortionist continued to proceed on her,
Sam believes his lies.
The very last thing they value is a woman's choice.
Heishman, not only are you a lying *****, you're dumber than toast
as well. We defend the freedom of choice against goose-stepping
fascists like yourself and then you try doublespeak to claim otherwise.
Some defense. Lets look at a comment Ray Fischer made about another
Heishman is an immoral ***** whose only defense when caught lying is
to lie about somebody else.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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24 Feb 2004 10:24:21 PM |
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Sam <sa836284@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu> wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
If she had left then she would have died.
Beside, I believe
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
You are lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Sam" |
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25 Feb 2004 12:23:25 PM |
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On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to prevent her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed that she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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| User: "Krusty" |
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26 Feb 2004 02:22:45 PM |
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(Sam) wrote in message news:<5b6a2e7d.0402251023.715c9802@posting.google.com>...
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure against
HER demands. She said to STOP....
Oh yea, it happens all the time. Shoot, my wife and I were driving by
an out of town, yet otherwise innocent, establishment when we decided
to stop in for directions. My wife said "I'd like to know...." and she
was grabbed by big security guards and dragged into a ominous looking,
dimly-lit room. She was screaming and I tried to rescue her, but I was
mobbed by a gaggle of apparent femi-nazi's. They covered my mouth and
nose with a rag covered with with what I later determined to be
cloraform
and I passed out. My wife tells me she was strapped on a conveyor
belt, while interns dressed in blood-stained, dirty surgical garb
started chanting the Planned Parenthood mission statement. She then
realized: THIS IS A REAL ABORTION MILL! Motors clanked, machinery
hissed and the conveyor squeaked as she was pulled up to the chop
shop. She then passed out. She wasnt even pregnant! She said the place
was icky and no God fearing republican should ever go there. So,
see...it's TRUE!
<snicker>
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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25 Feb 2004 11:47:17 PM |
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Sam <sa836284@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu> wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure against
HER demands.
Because she would have died otherwise.
Even if it was necessary to prevent her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure.
"the woman was restrained to save her life"
Is your position so immoral that you need to resort to lying?
You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against HER
STOP LYING!
Beside, I believe
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
You are lying.
Also,
You don't care about anyone but yourself. You would rather see women
die than tell the truth.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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25 Feb 2004 04:49:19 PM |
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Sam wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to prevent her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed that she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
Yes. Hospitals do it all the time. So do CPCs, although it isn't legal.
Where is the outrage there, Sam?
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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| User: "Chris" |
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26 Feb 2004 12:16:17 AM |
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1j8sl$1i3kc4$3@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Sam wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to prevent her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed that she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
Yes.
You must be anti-choice.
Hospitals do it all the time. So do CPCs, although it isn't legal.
Where is the outrage there, Sam?
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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26 Feb 2004 02:58:24 AM |
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1j8sl$1i3kc4$3@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Sam wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to prevent her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed that she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
Yes.
You must be anti-choice.
I'm so glad you bothered to finish reading the paragraph before you
responded to it <sarcasm>
Now, what do you suppose would have happened if he had stopped in mid-
procedure with complications occurring, and she had sustained permanent
damage or died?
Hospitals do it all the time. So do CPCs, although it isn't legal.
Where is the outrage there, Sam?
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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26 Feb 2004 02:58:49 PM |
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does
anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to prevent her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed that she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
Yes.
You must be anti-choice.
I'm so glad you bothered to finish reading the paragraph before you
responded to it <sarcasm>
Now, what do you suppose would have happened if he had stopped in mid-
procedure with complications occurring, and she had sustained permanent
damage or died?
I sense a slippery-slope AND ignoratio elenchi.
Hospitals do it all the time. So do CPCs, although it isn't legal.
Where is the outrage there, Sam?
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
26 Feb 2004 04:28:34 PM |
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1kcil$1immla$1@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1j8sl$1i3kc4$3@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Sam wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does
anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to prevent her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed that she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
Yes.
You must be anti-choice.
I'm so glad you bothered to finish reading the paragraph before you
responded to it <sarcasm>
Now, what do you suppose would have happened if he had stopped in mid-
procedure with complications occurring, and she had sustained permanent
damage or died?
I sense a slippery-slope AND ignoratio elenchi.
I sense a question that you have no answer for, since you're speaking
Latin. Here let me help you out with a couple hints:
Do you figure that he'd have been hailed for stopping when she said
stop, or would he have been sued and possibly jailed for killing her?
Hospitals do it all the time. So do CPCs, although it isn't legal.
Where is the outrage there, Sam?
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
26 Feb 2004 10:44:14 PM |
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1kcil$1immla$1@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained
in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through
the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to
a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had
already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does
anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to prevent
her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed that she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
Yes.
You must be anti-choice.
I'm so glad you bothered to finish reading the paragraph before you
responded to it <sarcasm>
Now, what do you suppose would have happened if he had stopped in mid-
procedure with complications occurring, and she had sustained permanent
damage or died?
I sense a slippery-slope AND ignoratio elenchi.
I sense a question that you have no answer for, since you're speaking
Latin.
I have an answer, but the answer to such question is irrelevant to the
discussion.
Here let me help you out with a couple hints:
Do you figure that he'd have been hailed for stopping when she said
stop, or would he have been sued and possibly jailed for killing her?
If she died as a result of him not completing the surgery, then no doubt he
would have been sued. I would also think that he would be hailed by the
pro-choice crowd for respecting a woman's "right to choose", no?
Hospitals do it all the time. So do CPCs, although it isn't legal.
Where is the outrage there, Sam?
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
26 Feb 2004 11:42:10 PM |
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1kcil$1immla$1@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de...
Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was restrained
in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through
the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to
a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had
already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does
anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to prevent
her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed that she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
Yes.
You must be anti-choice.
I'm so glad you bothered to finish reading the paragraph before you
responded to it <sarcasm>
Now, what do you suppose would have happened if he had stopped in mid-
procedure with complications occurring, and she had sustained permanent
damage or died?
I sense a slippery-slope AND ignoratio elenchi.
I sense a question that you have no answer for, since you're speaking
Latin.
I have an answer, but the answer to such question is irrelevant to the
discussion.
No, it isn't.
Here let me help you out with a couple hints:
Do you figure that he'd have been hailed for stopping when she said
stop, or would he have been sued and possibly jailed for killing her?
If she died as a result of him not completing the surgery, then no doubt he
would have been sued.
Exactly.
I would also think that he would be hailed by the
pro-choice crowd for respecting a woman's "right to choose", no?
No. Especially since he *did* stop the procedure- read the article, the
abortion was not completed by him, it was done at the hospital.
Hospitals do it all the time. So do CPCs, although it isn't legal.
Where is the outrage there, Sam?
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
27 Feb 2004 10:10:50 AM |
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was
restrained
in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through
the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained
to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to
a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose
during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had
already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does
anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure
against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to prevent
her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against
HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed that
she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you
think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
Yes.
You must be anti-choice.
I'm so glad you bothered to finish reading the paragraph before you
responded to it <sarcasm>
Now, what do you suppose would have happened if he had stopped in mid-
procedure with complications occurring, and she had sustained
permanent
damage or died?
I sense a slippery-slope AND ignoratio elenchi.
I sense a question that you have no answer for, since you're speaking
Latin.
I have an answer, but the answer to such question is irrelevant to the
discussion.
No, it isn't.
Yes, it is.
Here let me help you out with a couple hints:
Do you figure that he'd have been hailed for stopping when she said
stop, or would he have been sued and possibly jailed for killing her?
If she died as a result of him not completing the surgery, then no doubt
he
would have been sued.
Exactly.
And your point?
I would also think that he would be hailed by the
pro-choice crowd for respecting a woman's "right to choose", no?
No.
However can that be? Aren't the pro-choice folks all about a woman's "RIGHT
to choose"?
Especially since he *did* stop the procedure- read the article, the
abortion was not completed by him, it was done at the hospital.
Hospitals do it all the time. So do CPCs, although it isn't legal.
Where is the outrage there, Sam?
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
27 Feb 2004 05:34:34 PM |
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was
restrained
in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway through
the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained
to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken to
a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose
during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had
already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does
anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure
against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to prevent
her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against
HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed that
she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you
think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
Yes.
You must be anti-choice.
I'm so glad you bothered to finish reading the paragraph before you
responded to it <sarcasm>
Now, what do you suppose would have happened if he had stopped in mid-
procedure with complications occurring, and she had sustained
permanent
damage or died?
I sense a slippery-slope AND ignoratio elenchi.
I sense a question that you have no answer for, since you're speaking
Latin.
I have an answer, but the answer to such question is irrelevant to the
discussion.
No, it isn't.
Yes, it is.
No, it isn't. Medical facilities have the right to restrain a patient
when their life would be endangered by releasing them. I believe it's
not only a suit but jail time for letting them go in the condition she
was in, although I'd have to look that up.
Here let me help you out with a couple hints:
Do you figure that he'd have been hailed for stopping when she said
stop, or would he have been sued and possibly jailed for killing her?
If she died as a result of him not completing the surgery, then no doubt
he
would have been sued.
Exactly.
And your point?
That he had the legal and moral right to do exactly what he dio.
I would also think that he would be hailed by the
pro-choice crowd for respecting a woman's "right to choose", no?
No.
However can that be? Aren't the pro-choice folks all about a woman's "RIGHT
to choose"?
And she chose.
Especially since he *did* stop the procedure- read the article, the
abortion was not completed by him, it was done at the hospital.
Hospitals do it all the time. So do CPCs, although it isn't legal.
Where is the outrage there, Sam?
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
27 Feb 2004 08:35:07 PM |
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
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Chris wrote:
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Sam wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was
restrained
in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway
through
the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained
to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken
to
a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose
during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had
already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does
anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure
against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to
prevent
her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against
HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty
and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed that
she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded
with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you
think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
Yes.
You must be anti-choice.
I'm so glad you bothered to finish reading the paragraph before you
responded to it <sarcasm>
Now, what do you suppose would have happened if he had stopped in
mid-
procedure with complications occurring, and she had sustained
permanent
damage or died?
I sense a slippery-slope AND ignoratio elenchi.
I sense a question that you have no answer for, since you're speaking
Latin.
I have an answer, but the answer to such question is irrelevant to the
discussion.
No, it isn't.
Yes, it is.
No, it isn't. Medical facilities have the right to restrain a patient
when their life would be endangered by releasing them.
Irrelevant.
I believe it's
not only a suit but jail time for letting them go in the condition she
was in, although I'd have to look that up.
Here let me help you out with a couple hints:
Do you figure that he'd have been hailed for stopping when she said
stop, or would he have been sued and possibly jailed for killing her?
If she died as a result of him not completing the surgery, then no
doubt
he
would have been sued.
Exactly.
And your point?
That he had the legal and moral right to do exactly what he dio.
From where do you get such "morality" that the physician can deny her her
RIGHT to choose?
I would also think that he would be hailed by the
pro-choice crowd for respecting a woman's "right to choose", no?
No.
However can that be? Aren't the pro-choice folks all about a woman's
"RIGHT
to choose"?
And she chose.
Correction: HE chose.
Especially since he *did* stop the procedure- read the article, the
abortion was not completed by him, it was done at the hospital.
Hospitals do it all the time. So do CPCs, although it isn't legal.
Where is the outrage there, Sam?
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
27 Feb 2004 09:59:01 PM |
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Chris wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was
restrained
in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway
through
the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was restrained
to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken
to
a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose
during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had
already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does
anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure
against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to
prevent
her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice." To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding against
HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty
and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed that
she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded
with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you
think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
Yes.
You must be anti-choice.
I'm so glad you bothered to finish reading the paragraph before you
responded to it <sarcasm>
Now, what do you suppose would have happened if he had stopped in
mid-
procedure with complications occurring, and she had sustained
permanent
damage or died?
I sense a slippery-slope AND ignoratio elenchi.
I sense a question that you have no answer for, since you're speaking
Latin.
I have an answer, but the answer to such question is irrelevant to the
discussion.
No, it isn't.
Yes, it is.
No, it isn't. Medical facilities have the right to restrain a patient
when their life would be endangered by releasing them.
Irrelevant.
Relevant, since that is what the entire debate is about.
I believe it's
not only a suit but jail time for letting them go in the condition she
was in, although I'd have to look that up.
Here let me help you out with a couple hints:
Do you figure that he'd have been hailed for stopping when she said
stop, or would he have been sued and possibly jailed for killing her?
If she died as a result of him not completing the surgery, then no
doubt
he
would have been sued.
Exactly.
And your point?
That he had the legal and moral right to do exactly what he dio.
From where do you get such "morality" that the physician can deny her her
RIGHT to choose?
How did he do that? He stopped the abortion and got her an ambulance.
The abortion was done at the hospital. So how did he deny her right to
choose?
I would also think that he would be hailed by the
pro-choice crowd for respecting a woman's "right to choose", no?
No.
However can that be? Aren't the pro-choice folks all about a woman's
"RIGHT
to choose"?
And she chose.
Correction: HE chose.
No, he didn't. Did you trouble yourself to read the article?
Of course not.
She chose to go to the hospital, he got her an ambulance and got her
stabilized. The abortion was done AT THE HOSPITAL. So how did he choose?
Especially since he *did* stop the procedure- read the article, the
abortion was not completed by him, it was done at the hospital.
Hospitals do it all the time. So do CPCs, although it isn't legal.
Where is the outrage there, Sam?
-Sam (for e-mail: therocket11@hotmail.com)
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| Title: Re: Women Restrained at an Abortion Mill (The usual lies) |
28 Feb 2004 11:59:54 AM |
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Sam wrote:
On the link at the bottom is a case where a woman was
restrained
in
the abortion place and forced to continue.
Ray says:
Because she would have died if they'd let her go partway
through
the
procedure.
Egherman and clinic officials argued the woman was
restrained
to
save her life so she could be medically stabilized and taken
to
a
hospital by ambulance because of complications that arose
during
the abortion.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN127ABORT.htm
You, being a liar, neglect to mention that the abortion had
already
been done. So why do you think that this sort of lying does
anything
but prove to everybody that you're a dishonest fanatic?
my post:
Was the abortion already done or was it in the middle of the
procedure?
Ray says:
If she had left then she would have died.
It was more than leaving; he continued to perform a procedure
against
HER demands. She said to STOP. Even if it was necessary to
prevent
her
from leaving, it was probably not necesary to proceed with a
procedure. You claim, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice."
To
defend the abortionist victimizing a woman by proceeding
against
HER
DEMANDS shows that that statement is meaningless. The extreme
pro-abortion movement seems to not value a woman's choice not
to
proceed when SHE DEMANDS IT. That is forced abortion then.
my post:
Beside, I believe
Ray says:
What you believe doesn't count for anything. Your dishonesty
and
irrationality make your opinions worth very little.
my post:
She did NOT WANT him to do anything else, but
wanted an ambulance.
Ray says:
You are lying.
Also, in the Ana Rosa Rodriguez case, the woman also claimed
that
she
told the abortionists to stop, but he ignored it and proceeded
with
the abortion AGAINST HER DEMANDS. That is the case where a girl
survived the abortion attempt and was born with one arm. Do you
think
it was justified for him to continue AGAINST HER DEMANDS not to
continue?
Yes.
You must be anti-choice.
I'm so glad you bothered to finish reading the paragraph before
you
responded to it <sarcasm>
Now, what do you suppose would have happened if he had stopped in
mid-
procedure with complications occurring, and she had sustained
permanent
damage or died?
I sense a slippery-slope AND ignoratio elenchi.
I sense a question that you have no answer for, since you're
speaking
Latin.
I have an answer, but the answer to such question is irrelevant to
the
discussion.
No, it isn't.
Yes, it is.
No, it isn't. Medical facilities have the right to restrain a patient
when their life would be endangered by releasing them.
Irrelevant.
Relevant, since that is what the entire debate is about.
Not your debate with me. IRRELEVANT.
I believe it's
not only a suit but jail time for letting them go in the condition she
was in, although I'd have to look that up.
Here let me help you out with a couple hints:
Do you figure that he'd have been hailed for stopping when she said
stop, or would he have been sued and possibly jailed for killing
her?
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