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Topic:	Science > Abortion
User:	"Mr. Young"
Date:	31 Aug 2006 12:45:15 AM
Object:	Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows

Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-woman.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat2552.html
Springfield, IL (LifeNews.com) -- A new survey shows women considering an
abortion want to know information about the risks and dangers associated
with it beforehand. The survey stands in stark contrast to the position
abortion advocates take in opposition to legislation allowing women to know
the potential medical problems abortion presents.
The Journal of Medical Ethics published the results of the survey of 187
women in July.
The survey polled women seeking obstetric and gynecological services at a
Wisconsin women's health clinic and they were asked to give their opinions
about receiving information for elective medical procedures.
In the survey they ranked the kind of information they would want beforehand
and ranked the severity of different kinds of complications form a medical
procedure ranging from a headache to death.
The results showed 95 percent of patients wished to be informed of all the
risks of a procedure and 65 percent would want to know all of the possible
alternatives beforehand -- not just those alternatives a doctor presents.
In the ranking of risks, women placed mental and emotional health
consequences very high on the list -- only slightly below the risk of death
or heart disease.
Dr. David Reardon, director of the Elliot Institute and one of co-authors of
the study, said the finding may be especially important vis-a-vis abortion
decisions since recent peer-reviewed studies have linked abortion to
increased rates of mental health problems.
Some problems coming from an abortion, according to various studies, include
suicidal behavior, clinical depression, anxiety disorders, substance abuse,
and sleep disorders.
"Doctors should anticipate that most women desire information on every
potential risk, even risks that doctors may judge to be less serious or
inconsequentially rare, and they will generally consider this information to
be relevant to their decisions regarding elective procedures," the authors
wrote in the study.
Reardon, in a statement sent to LifeNews.com, said the survey "demonstrates
that women have a high level of interest in being informed of any risk that
is statistically associated with the procedure, including psychological
risks."
While abortion businesses may regard some abortion risks as relatively
minor, Dr. Reardon said women don't regard them that way.
"It also reveals that while some experts may consider some associations,
such as a 10 percent higher risk of breast cancer, as relatively
unimportant, most women would consider it to be very important to their
decision making process," he said.
Reardon also said the study refutes the claim that abortion practitioners
should withhold information about studies identifying abortion risks simply
because he believes that future studies may someday disprove the earlier
findings.
"Our survey shows that most women don't want doctors to screen which
information they are told about risks," he said. "They want to judge the
evidence for themselves."
Reardon concluded that the study showed women "clearly prefer to be fully
informed about all possible complications, even if abortion providers insist
that the causal links between abortion and these statistically linked
complications have yet to be fully proven to the abortionist's
satisfaction."
Dr. Priscilla Coleman, a professor at Bowling Green State University, was
another one of the authors of the new study.
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Mr. J Y�ung
youngopinions@aol.com
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User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 12:55:25 AM

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
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User: "osprey"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 01:02:23 AM

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.

so instead of directing your attention to the issue, you decided to go
for a personal attack against the poster. Can't any of you debate an
issue at all????
.

User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 07:55:50 AM

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.

so instead of directing your attention to the issue, you decided to go
for a personal attack against the poster. Can't any of you debate an
issue at all????

Can't either of you do as you demand, Irony Boys?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
.

User: "osprey"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 11:57:41 AM

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.

so instead of directing your attention to the issue, you decided to go
for a personal attack against the poster. Can't any of you debate an
issue at all????

Can't either of you do as you demand, Irony Boys?

Can any of you actually debate the issue? Exactly what is the problem
with wanting to give women the information regarding abortion risks?
.

User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	01 Sep 2006 12:00:51 AM

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.

so instead of directing your attention to the issue, you decided to go
for a personal attack against the poster. Can't any of you debate an
issue at all????

Can't either of you do as you demand, Irony Boys?

Can any of you actually debate the issue? Exactly what is the problem
with wanting to give women the information regarding abortion risks?

Nothing - as long as there is enough from the whole spectrum of opinions. I
suspect you only want your side of the "information" allowed.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
.

User: "osprey"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	01 Sep 2006 12:43:04 AM

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.

so instead of directing your attention to the issue, you decided to go
for a personal attack against the poster. Can't any of you debate an
issue at all????

Can't either of you do as you demand, Irony Boys?

Can any of you actually debate the issue? Exactly what is the problem
with wanting to give women the information regarding abortion risks?

Nothing - as long as there is enough from the whole spectrum of opinions.

Then we agree.
I

suspect you only want your side of the "information" allowed.

You suspected wrong. Nothing new for you, that's par for the course.
.

User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	01 Sep 2006 09:59:37 AM

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.

so instead of directing your attention to the issue, you decided to go
for a personal attack against the poster. Can't any of you debate an
issue at all????

Can't either of you do as you demand, Irony Boys?

Can any of you actually debate the issue? Exactly what is the problem
with wanting to give women the information regarding abortion risks?

Nothing - as long as there is enough from the whole spectrum of opinions.

Then we agree.

So you say.

I suspect you only want your side of the "information" allowed.

You suspected wrong. Nothing new for you, that's par for the course.

Given your Usenet history, it's a reasonable suspicion.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
.

User: "osprey"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	01 Sep 2006 10:14:08 AM

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.

so instead of directing your attention to the issue, you decided to go
for a personal attack against the poster. Can't any of you debate an
issue at all????

Can't either of you do as you demand, Irony Boys?

Can any of you actually debate the issue? Exactly what is the problem
with wanting to give women the information regarding abortion risks?

Nothing - as long as there is enough from the whole spectrum of opinions.

Then we agree.

So you say.

That's correct. If you can't handle that, too bad.

I suspect you only want your side of the "information" allowed.

You suspected wrong. Nothing new for you, that's par for the course.

Given your Usenet history, it's a reasonable suspicion.

It's a good thing you are not doing something important in life, like
investigations or intelligence. You suck at it!!
Regardless of that small fact, you still suspected wrong.
You have the opportunity to cross examine or to present some evidence
to support your "suspicion".
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	01 Sep 2006 06:38:31 PM

In article <1157123647.981485.159820@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.

so instead of directing your attention to the issue, you decided to
go
for a personal attack against the poster. Can't any of you debate an
issue at all????

Can't either of you do as you demand, Irony Boys?

Can any of you actually debate the issue? Exactly what is the problem
with wanting to give women the information regarding abortion risks?

Nothing - as long as there is enough from the whole spectrum of opinions.

Then we agree.

So you say.

That's correct. If you can't handle that, too bad.

I suspect you only want your side of the "information" allowed.

You suspected wrong. Nothing new for you, that's par for the course.

Given your Usenet history, it's a reasonable suspicion.

It's a good thing you are not doing something important in life, like
investigations or intelligence. You suck at it!!

From the guy who recently said one can't confirm information if one
does not know the name of the person supplying the information.

Regardless of that small fact, you still suspected wrong.
You have the opportunity to cross examine or to present some evidence
to support your "suspicion".

You won't threaten to call a lawyer?
.

User: "Mr. Young"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 01:22:40 AM

"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1157004143.512191.113820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.

so instead of directing your attention to the issue, you decided to go
for a personal attack against the poster. Can't any of you debate an
issue at all????

You're never going to change people like "Patrick", so just ignore him (
like everyone else does ).
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	01 Sep 2006 09:38:42 PM

You're one to talk.
osprey wrote:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.

so instead of directing your attention to the issue, you decided to go
for a personal attack against the poster. Can't any of you debate an
issue at all????

User: ""
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	01 Sep 2006 09:38:45 PM

You're one to talk.
osprey wrote:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.

so instead of directing your attention to the issue, you decided to go
for a personal attack against the poster. Can't any of you debate an
issue at all????

User: ""
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	01 Sep 2006 09:38:46 PM

You're one to talk.
osprey wrote:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt

that you're not even as respectable as pond scum, IBen.

so instead of directing your attention to the issue, you decided to go
for a personal attack against the poster. Can't any of you debate an
issue at all????

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 10:03:28 PM

Mr. Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-woman.

Just like plantation owners really only had the best interests of
their slaves at heart.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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User: "Parsifal"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 12:57:57 AM

Mr. Young a =E9crit :

Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-woman.

No it isn't. Pro-choice is pro-freedom, ergo pro woman. But since you
hate freedom, women (and gays, Jews, Muslims, democrats, liberals...)
and everything your country stands for, you can't understand that very
simple concept.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat2552.html

How about refering to more credible sources if you want to be taken
seriously?
.

User: "John D.Wentzky"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 12:59:56 AM

Got that quoted-printable back in, huh?
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User: ""
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	10 Sep 2006 03:47:23 AM

Parsifal wrote:

Mr. Young a =E9crit :

Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-woman.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat2552.html

How about refering to more credible sources if you want to be taken
seriously?

How about not resorting to broad-brushed bromides if you want to be
taken seriously?
In argument, a person who resorts to universals such as "everything
your country stands for," and who engages in ad hominem attacks (e.g.,
"you can't understand that very simple concept"), reveals herself to be
doubtful of her own cause, hostile, and inarticulate.
Good going, sis.
Lisa Lundgren
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User: ""
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	01 Sep 2006 05:11:34 PM

Mr. Young wrote:

Only person who does not know what abortion advocates are advocating
could make such grossly misinformed statement as 'stark contrast'
Pro-choice advocates for abortiona as medicalprocedure.
Which is saying that should pregnancy be dangerous for woman she should
have a right to chose abortion as viable medical option.
Which is saying: should woman be in no condition that incapacitates her
to support pregnancy she should have a right to chose abortion as
viable medical option.
which is saying: should woman find them selves a victim of rape and
feel she can not emotionally support pregnancy she should have a right
to abortion as one of viable medical options.
Which is saying: should woman be in situation where she can not
emotionally and financially care for the child she should have a right
to abourtion as viable medical option.
All of above treat abortion as a medical option. All medical options
are discussed with professionals whose function is to educate person of
possible risk and benefits of invasive procedure.
in opposition to legislation allowing women to know

the potential medical problems abortion presents.

They would know of potential risks (which are minimal by the way) as
anyone who is undergoing any invasive procedure- it's standard of care.

The Journal of Medical Ethics published the results of the survey of 187
women in July.

The survey polled women seeking obstetric and gynecological services at a
Wisconsin women's health clinic and they were asked to give their opinions
about receiving information for elective medical procedures.

In the survey they ranked the kind of information they would want beforehand
and ranked the severity of different kinds of complications form a medical
procedure ranging from a headache to death.

The results showed 95 percent of patients wished to be informed of all the
risks of a procedure and 65 percent would want to know all of the possible
alternatives beforehand -- not just those alternatives a doctor presents.

In the ranking of risks, women placed mental and emotional health
consequences very high on the list -- only slightly below the risk of death
or heart disease.

Dr. David Reardon, director of the Elliot Institute and one of co-authors of
the study, said the finding may be especially important vis-a-vis abortion
decisions since recent peer-reviewed studies have linked abortion to
increased rates of mental health problems.

Excuse me? That's just plain crap.

Some problems coming from an abortion, according to various studies, include
suicidal behavior, clinical depression, anxiety disorders, substance abuse,
and sleep disorders.

According to whom?

"Doctors should anticipate that most women desire information on every
potential risk, even risks that doctors may judge to be less serious or
inconsequentially rare, and they will generally consider this information to
be relevant to their decisions regarding elective procedures," the authors
wrote in the study.

Reardon, in a statement sent to LifeNews.com, said the survey "demonstrates
that women have a high level of interest in being informed of any risk that
is statistically associated with the procedure, including psychological
risks."

So does any human being. Man seek info about such procedure as well.

While abortion businesses may regard some abortion risks as relatively
minor, Dr. Reardon said women don't regard them that way.

"It also reveals that while some experts may consider some associations,
such as a 10 percent higher risk of breast cancer, as relatively
unimportant, most women would consider it to be very important to their
decision making process," he said.

There is no study that links abortion to breast cancer.

Reardon also said the study refutes the claim that abortion practitioners
should withhold information about studies identifying abortion risks simply
because he believes that future studies may someday disprove the earlier
findings.

This is a piece of emotional crap that has little or nothing to do with
reality and that has everything to do with propaganda.

--
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User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	02 Sep 2006 12:39:04 AM

> wrote:

Mr. Young wrote:

Only person who does not know what abortion advocates are advocating
could make such grossly misinformed statement as 'stark contrast'

There are no abortion advocates. That's just pro-lie propaganda.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	02 Sep 2006 02:35:42 PM

Ray Fischer wrote:

suznet@hwcn.org <suznet@hwcn.org> wrote:

Mr. Young wrote:

Only person who does not know what abortion advocates are advocating
could make such grossly misinformed statement as 'stark contrast'

There are no abortion advocates. That's just pro-lie propaganda.

There are advocates, mostly at places (countries) that view abortion as
illegal or unethical....you know, those still stuck in mid-evil age.
See responce 181 from

Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

User: ""
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 11:56:57 PM

Mr. Young wrote:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-woman.

*****, you sanctimonious prat.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat2552.html

Springfield, IL (LifeNews.com) -- A new survey shows women considering an
abortion want to know information about the risks and dangers associated
with it beforehand. The survey stands in stark contrast to the position
abortion advocates take in opposition to legislation allowing women to know
the potential medical problems abortion presents.

It so happens that every medical facility worth its salt, including
abortion clinics, already disclose the risks of whatever procedure is
proposed. The insurance companies make 'em do that. And what abortion
rights advocates object to is legislation that requires doctors to lie
to their patients.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 11:24:41 AM

Mr. Young wrote:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-woman.

Firstly, I'd like to reinstate that people who call themselves
"pro-life" obviously have many views that show they aren't. Most of
them are christians, and christianity has killed people already born
unlike the right to choose. So, since they're all liars, nothing they
say can be trusted and they've already lost. "Pro-life" is constantly
used by supporters of war, capital punishment, and weaker standards
regarding gun control.
Wouldn't it be funny if a "pro-lifer" could come up with some logical
explanation why we should take anything they say seriously when their
very label is a lie?
.

User: "osprey"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 12:04:27 PM

wrote:

Mr. Young wrote:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-woman.

And so have atheist, so using your logic we can say that atheist are
not "pro-life".

So, since they're all liars,

Atheist lie too. Have you ever lied?
nothing they

say can be trusted and they've already lost.

So nothing can be trusted that atheist say since they have lied as
well, and since you probably told a lie or two, or many for all we
know, nothing you say can be trusted and you've already lost.
See how easy this is to just lump people into a category yet? It's
what you are doing.
"Pro-life" is constantly

used by supporters of war, capital punishment, and weaker standards
regarding gun control.

So there are no people on the "pro-choice" side that support war,
capital punishment, and weaker standards regarding gun control?
How about atheist, are there any that support war, capital punishment,
and/or weaker standards regarding gun control?
Which by the way, we have more than enough gun control laws now.

Wouldn't it be funny if a "pro-lifer" could come up with some logical
explanation why we should take anything they say seriously when their
very label is a lie?

Wouldn't it be funny if you, most likely another atheist, could come up
with some logical explanation as to why you should be taken seriously,
especially since you have probably lied in your life?
By the way, I am a trained marksman in the state of Delaware with the
Department of Corrections. I do own a firearm, I am licensed to carry.
So what's your problem with that, since you brought up gun control.
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 08:54:05 PM

In article <1157043867.226848.184300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

thedeviliam@hotmail.com wrote:

Mr. Young wrote:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-woman.

And so have atheist, so using your logic we can say that atheist are
not "pro-life".

So, since they're all liars,

Atheist lie too. Have you ever lied?

Osprey Defense (If you can claim others do what you are accused of, you
are correct in what you do.)
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	31 Aug 2006 11:44:22 PM

osprey wrote:

thedeviliam@hotmail.com wrote:

Mr. Young wrote:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-woman.

And so have atheist, so using your logic we can say that atheist are
not "pro-life".

Yes, but the pro-choice heathens aren't calling themselves "pro-life",
they're calling themselves pro-choice BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FUCKING
TALKING ABOUT. CHOICE. How can somebody this blatantly deceptive be
expected to be taken seriously? You of all people shouldn't be like
this, because by behaving in this manner you might scare someone into
grabbing a coathanger and hopefully ridding the world of someone who
may be something like you.

So, since they're all liars,

Atheist lie too. Have you ever lied?

Everyone has lied, but that doesn't make your entire essence of being a
lie. In context, the point I made had to refer to the labels of
"pro-life" and "pro-choice". If your argument is anti-lie, why stick to
this label? Is that the point, that calling yourself "pro-life" is okay
even though it's deceptive? If not, please respectfully explain your
retarded *****.

nothing they

say can be trusted and they've already lost.

So nothing can be trusted that atheist say since they have lied as
well,

First of all, we all make typos, but realize there is more than one
atheist, so learn to spell. I would never say that all under one label
are the same just as I would never say all Christians suck as much as
you. My point was merely was once you catch a liar in a lie, and they
keep trying to work from that, it's dumbassed to pretend they're being
honest.
By the fucking way, it might be of interest to any sane person that you
haven't even attempted to say you aren't a liar. You've just defended
lying. Is this really the level to which you wanted to sink?

and since you probably told a lie or two, or many for all we
know, nothing you say can be trusted and you've already lost.

About what? Maybe I lied about having a drink and left a beer can on my
chest and passed out. I wouldn't trust my argument for sobriety. We're
evaluating a situation, and so far your argument has been "YOU CAN BE
WRONG TOO"! Of course I can. Just because the other party is CAPABLE of
being wrong does NOT mean that you are correct in any way. Your
argument sounds like you're trying to be the Malcolm X of people who
are wrong and lie. I can't be black, I can be wrong, and I can lie.
Maybe you're a freedom fighter for idiots. But don't you have anything
better to fight for than being wrong? Oh, nevermind.

See how easy this is to just lump people into a category yet? It's
what you are doing.

Even the word "people" is a category, idiot. Nouns are all labels.

"Pro-life" is constantly

used by supporters of war, capital punishment, and weaker standards
regarding gun control.

So there are no people on the "pro-choice" side that support war,
capital punishment, and weaker standards regarding gun control?

Of course there are, I'm just pointing out that the label is dogshit,
doesn't describe the people it's supposed to, and it's basically
propaganda of a caliber that makes Hitler sound like James Joyce. Keep
up, little man.

How about atheist, are there any that support war, capital punishment,
and/or weaker standards regarding gun control?

You're using labels also, by the way. Labels are strictly economy. We
sum ***** up because we're not omnicient, like God, who only sums *****
up and sends groups to hell because he's drunk and lazy.

Which by the way, we have more than enough gun control laws now.

Okay, this is why we have labels. How did I know you felt this way?

Wouldn't it be funny if a "pro-lifer" could come up with some logical
explanation why we should take anything they say seriously when their
very label is a lie?

Wouldn't it be funny if you, most likely another atheist, could come up
with some logical explanation as to why you should be taken seriously,
especially since you have probably lied in your life?

Um, because people who lie have a motive, whether or not they even
realize it. Maybe "atheist" isn't a logical label for me because I
don't have faith in "no God"...I'm a non-faith person...although it's
hard to "not believe" in something so vaguely defined and ambiguous
anyway. I'd have better luck being a Bigfoot atheist, because at least
there's pictures of Bigfoot. Even if your argument succeeded it would
still be "you're wrong too" so why do you even bother? Pathetic.

By the way, I am a trained marksman in the state of Delaware with the
Department of Corrections. I do own a firearm, I am licensed to carry.
So what's your problem with that, since you brought up gun control.

People as stupid as you are dangerous enough without the fucking guns.
Well, more articulate versions of you, I should say. Pro-life. If
somebody lost all faith in humanity because of your ***** and took
fuckers along with them to hell, would you still use this schizo retard
label? Could you look in the mirror and say it?
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User: "osprey"
Title: Re: Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows	01 Sep 2006 12:51:46 AM

wrote:

osprey wrote:

wrote:

Mr. Young wrote:

Just one more example proving beyond doubt; pro-life is pro-woman.

And so have atheist, so using your logic we can say that atheist are
not "pro-life".

Yes, but the pro-choice heathens aren't calling themselves "pro-life",
they're calling themselves pro-choice BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FUCKING
TALKING ABOUT. CHOICE.

So what's wrong with someone CHOOSING to oppose abortion???
How can somebody this blatantly deceptive be

expected to be taken seriously? You of all people shouldn't be like
this, because by behaving in this manner you might scare someone into
grabbing a coathanger and hopefully ridding the world of someone who
may be something like you.

Oh my, you are really mature aren't you???

So, since they're all liars,

Atheist lie too. Have you ever lied?

Everyone has lied,

Then you are a liar!
but that doesn't make your entire essence of being a

lie. In context, the point I made had to refer to the labels of
"pro-life" and "pro-choice". If your argument is anti-lie, why stick to
this label? Is that the point, that calling yourself "pro-life" is okay
even though it's deceptive? If not, please respectfully explain your
retarded *****.

I am not sure if you are grown up enough, you are acting very childish
and I don't think you can comprehend my explanation.

nothing they

say can be trusted and they've already lost.

So nothing can be trusted that atheist say since they have lied as
well,

First of all, we all make typos, but realize there is more than one
atheist, so learn to spell.

Oh, you want a spelling war too? No problem, just make sure you are
perfect.
I would never say that all under one label

are the same just as I would never say all Christians suck as much as
you.

And you expect to be taken seriously, acting like you are????
My point was merely was once you catch a liar in a lie, and they

keep trying to work from that, it's dumbassed to pretend they're being
honest.

By the fucking way, it might be of interest to any sane person that you
haven't even attempted to say you aren't a liar.

I would be lying if I said I never lied. Of course I have, we all
have.
You've just defended

lying. Is this really the level to which you wanted to sink?

ROFL, reading this post and your response...and you want to talk about
sinking to a certain level???
Oh puh-lease.

and since you probably told a lie or two, or many for all we
know, nothing you say can be trusted and you've already lost.

See how easy this is to just lump people into a category yet? It's
what you are doing.

Even the word "people" is a category, idiot. Nouns are all labels.

You are lumping people, based on what they believe or don't believe,
into a category. It's bigotry to say the very least, not to mention
dishonest.