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"Xomicron" |
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13 Jul 2004 02:14:32 PM |
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Your average ignorant atheist |
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion" as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
It may surprise some of these posters to know that Christians hold a
variety of conflicting beliefs. Many do not accept Hebrew folklore as
being literally true or believe in a literal and historic couple named
Adam and Eve, a flood which covered the entire planet, talking snakes and
donkeys, not do I believe that Earth is a mere 6000 or 7000 years old.
The Bible is a great anthology of folklore, history, law, poetry,
prophecy, and genealogy. Some Christians hold to an absolute literal
infallibility, while others believe it is a book of truth but not in every
case LITERAL truth. Most atheists on usenet have clearly demonstrated a
hatred of all scripture blinded by a lack of theological education and
overestimation of their own reasoning and ability to understand the truths
of the universe.
I wholeheartedly believe in a Supreme Being, yet I also can see that our
earth and the universe have undergone much change that is far from over.
Science and religion are not diametrically opposed as your average
ignorant atheist might think. Many books have been written to demonstrate
this. You'll find them in the science section of many good bookstores.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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13 Jul 2004 07:10:10 PM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com...
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion" as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
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And how is this related to abortion?
FP....
"Men never do evil so completely and
cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
~ Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) ~
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| User: "BuddhaThu" |
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14 Jul 2004 12:02:50 PM |
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I am not an "atheist", or a Christian, but I have studied theology and
the biblical texts. Most by way of the grammatical analyses of the
living language and redaction history.
I can say that the bible is very interesting. Its various usage of
parables, allegories, synedoche, zeugmas and metonymies, as well as
the various moods do have a purpose and function. But it looses this
purpose once you take it literally. To do this would mistaken the sign
for what it signifies or points to, which is supposedly God.
The "Word of God" Bible from 2 Tim 3:16 is different from the "Word
of God", the metaphysical Christ from John chapt. 1. (I have mentioned
this before in an earlier posting.) Some Christians would mix the two
up, with disasterous results. In this, they are committing the
metaphysics of presence in the Deridan sense, which is a form of
"scriptural idolatry."
The bible is inspiration in the poetic sense. Some have mistaken this
understanding of inspiration from 2 Tim. 3:16 to mean to take it
literally as God, while inspiration should more be taken as ***a seed
for growth.*** Such is the meaning of grace and the organic theme of
growth with the union of Christ. Cf. John 15:1-5.
Some existentialist and theologians of encounter verge on this by
saying that God is directly speaking to you as a unique person with
the bible as the medium. This to me seems dangerous. They are no
better than the natural theologians whom they argue against,
substituting one form of idolatry for another. The former see the
world as God and the latter see mere written words as God. Cf.
Reinhold Niebuhr, Richard Niebuhr, Kierkegaard, Emil Brunner, Karl
Barth.
Yet some existentialists, neo-orthodox and theologians of encounter
work off of central issues to which is important to which I do not
think science can answer. They are "who am I?" "What must I do". "How
can I live with myself and with God with the things that I do?
These questions are not questions of science, (and I doubt any
scientist would disagree with me.) They are questions of possibility
or what it must be to have a meaningful existence. In this, to soul
search is not to look for a metaphysical entity, but addresses these
central questions. And as such, science and religion play different
language games.
This, however, does not discount the possibility of dialogue. Dialogue
needs two distinct games to to do the language dance. It is like
theology of encounter with Martin Buber and the central themes of "I
and thou." To dialogue is to respect each other's uniqueness and to
understand each other's disagreements with toleration. They are
separate games but still linked enough to communicate disagreements.
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>...
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion" as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
It may surprise some of these posters to know that Christians hold a
variety of conflicting beliefs. Many do not accept Hebrew folklore as
being literally true or believe in a literal and historic couple named
Adam and Eve, a flood which covered the entire planet, talking snakes and
donkeys, not do I believe that Earth is a mere 6000 or 7000 years old.
The Bible is a great anthology of folklore, history, law, poetry,
prophecy, and genealogy. Some Christians hold to an absolute literal
infallibility, while others believe it is a book of truth but not in every
case LITERAL truth. Most atheists on usenet have clearly demonstrated a
hatred of all scripture blinded by a lack of theological education and
overestimation of their own reasoning and ability to understand the truths
of the universe.
I wholeheartedly believe in a Supreme Being, yet I also can see that our
earth and the universe have undergone much change that is far from over.
Science and religion are not diametrically opposed as your average
ignorant atheist might think. Many books have been written to demonstrate
this. You'll find them in the science section of many good bookstores.
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| User: "Eric Pepke" |
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| Title: Re: Your average ignorant atheist |
14 Jul 2004 01:04:28 PM |
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I have eliminated groups unrelated to this discussion.
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>...
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion" as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
Yours is the typical good cop/bad cop routine, or bait-and-switch by proxy.
If you had ever been to a meeting of atheists and/or freethinkers, you
would know that about the most hostile thing you'll see toward religion
is the Robert Tilton tape with sound effects added. Most of the time we
discuss other things. I've given a number of talks at such meetings, and
they usually involve anthropology, psychology, philosophy of ethics, and
physics. Couple stuff like that with a few reports of political activism,
more philosophy, reports of debunking of typical miracles, and some
actual theology, add a couple of sing-alongs to "Die Gedanken Sind Frei"
and some Robert Ingersoll poems put to music, and you have your typical
Atheist weekend.
If you had spent some time in alt.atheism, you would know that a lot of
the hostility expressed in this newsgroup is a direct response to the vast
number of trolls who come here and needle us, expressing astonishingly
ignorant views. The purpose of needling is to get a reaction, and
sometimes they get reactions, and some of the reactions are hostile.
Now, for you to come here and react to the hostility as if it were of
atheists due to atheists' ignorance, rather than as a direct response
to the ignorance and lying of the trolls, demonstrates either that 1)
you are ignorant of the culture in alt.atheism, or 2) you are deliberately
pulling a bait-and-switch by proxy.
It is not we who need to be lectured on what the Bible is or on the
variety of Christian beliefs. You will find a higher percentage of people
here with a better grasp of the Bible, more knowledge of religion, and
a better understanding of religious history than anywhere but the
faculty of the finest universities of the world. Any honest, non-cross-
posted, non-chip-on-the-shoulder top-level posting on any of these
subjects will reveal it.
I don't even remember clearly how many times I have read the Bible in
how many translations, or how much I've studied using halting, dictionary-
by-the elbow Hebrew.
If you want to educate someone, educate the fundy trolls who come here.
Let's see how long *you* can put up with hit-and-run postings of stock
drivel before you become irritated and say something hostile. However,
I'm cynical enough not to think that you would ever do that. I'm also
cynical enough to suspect that you know exactly what you're doing,
which is spraying teflon on the trolls in the names of some sort of Jesus
Solidarity, and pretending like it's the atheists who are the ignorant,
nasty types.
Until and unless you cut that out, statements about how Christians
are different are a fart in a hurricane. Because you will be the same
as the fundy trolls in one sense: you belong to the same teflon-spraying,
good- and bad-cop playing, bait-and-switching, mutual admiration
and protection society.
Stop doing this, and you might be taken seriously.
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: Your average ignorant atheist |
13 Jul 2004 05:48:07 PM |
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In article <c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion" as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
It may surprise some of these posters to know that Christians hold a
variety of conflicting beliefs. Many do not accept Hebrew folklore as
being literally true or believe in a literal and historic couple named
Adam and Eve, a flood which covered the entire planet, talking snakes and
donkeys, not do I believe that Earth is a mere 6000 or 7000 years old.
The Bible is a great anthology of folklore, history, law, poetry,
prophecy, and genealogy.
That's strange. I know an ordained reverend who would disagree with
you. As my friend the reverend has told me many times, the Bible
is God's word. The Bible is not an "anthology of folklore, history, or
poetry" it is God's Word ... at least that's what Christians are
supposed to believe.
I wholeheartedly believe in a Supreme Being, yet I also can see that our
earth and the universe have undergone much change that is far from over.
So?
Science and religion are not diametrically opposed as your average
ignorant atheist might think. Many books have been written to demonstrate
this. You'll find them in the science section of many good bookstores.
What "average atheist" makes that claim? Do you have any examples?
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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13 Jul 2004 02:23:30 PM |
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In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion" as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is: all you have
to do is observe the behavior of those who believe in it. The
Bible is just words, and actions speak louder than words.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Your average ignorant atheist |
13 Jul 2004 02:27:45 PM |
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"Lars Eighner" <> wrote in message
news:slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards
the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion"
as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is: all you have
to do is observe the behavior of those who believe in it. The
Bible is just words, and actions speak louder than words.
You wouldn't be generalizing would you?
I have to seriously question those who number themselves
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965
http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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14 Jul 2004 05:48:16 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion" as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is: all you have
to do is observe the behavior of those who believe in it. The
Bible is just words, and actions speak louder than words.
You wouldn't be generalizing would you?
He made a point that apparently went right over your fat little head, Spud.
I have to seriously question those who number themselves
I have to seriously question a Cop Reject who has to create sockpuppets to
make himself look like he has supporters.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Harleyman" |
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14 Jul 2004 10:11:36 AM |
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Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message news:<szkiscquaof.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion" as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is: all you have
to do is observe the behavior of those who believe in it. The
Bible is just words, and actions speak louder than words.
You wouldn't be generalizing would you?
He made a point that apparently went right over your fat little head, Spud.
I have to seriously question those who number themselves
I have to seriously question a Cop Reject who has to create sockpuppets to
make himself look like he has supporters.
Sockpuppets?
By the way, he has supporters.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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14 Jul 2004 03:29:55 PM |
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"Harleyman" <eagleeye@mail.com> wrote in message
news:b069e1fd.0407140711.bd95172@posting.google.com...
Sockpuppets?
By the way, he has supporters.
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Only those he makes up and then uses free e-mail services to hide behind.
No REAL HARLEY man would give someone like Osprey the time of day, no less
support him. LOL!!!!
--
Flower Power...
Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may
be happy.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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14 Jul 2004 10:29:50 AM |
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(Harleyman) writes:
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message news:<szkiscquaof.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards
the Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to
"religion" as if all religous beliefs had a common source and were
therefore equally deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is: all you have
to do is observe the behavior of those who believe in it. The
Bible is just words, and actions speak louder than words.
You wouldn't be generalizing would you?
He made a point that apparently went right over your fat little head, Spud.
I have to seriously question those who number themselves
I have to seriously question a Cop Reject who has to create sockpuppets to
make himself look like he has supporters.
Sockpuppets?
By the way, he has supporters.
....who hide behind an AOL proxy, no less. Let me guess -- you're athletic.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Osprey" |
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14 Jul 2004 12:15:11 PM |
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"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkacy2ppxt.fsf@fnord.io.com...
eagleeye@mail.com (Harleyman) writes:
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:<szkiscquaof.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display
towards
the Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to
"religion" as if all religous beliefs had a common source and were
therefore equally deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is: all you have
to do is observe the behavior of those who believe in it. The
Bible is just words, and actions speak louder than words.
You wouldn't be generalizing would you?
He made a point that apparently went right over your fat little head,
Spud.
I have to seriously question those who number themselves
I have to seriously question a Cop Reject who has to create sockpuppets
to
make himself look like he has supporters.
Sockpuppets?
By the way, he has supporters.
...who hide behind an AOL proxy, no less. Let me guess -- you're
athletic.
Hmmm,
No explain that one. He has AOL, I have Comcast.
Two different locations, two different ISP's. I do believe you owe him an
apology. I am not going to ask for one because I would accept any apology
from you to begin with.
But he was accused of something that was false, unsupported, and just flat
out wrong.
So are you going to be big enough to apologize or not?
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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14 Jul 2004 10:19:25 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkacy2ppxt.fsf@fnord.io.com...
eagleeye@mail.com (Harleyman) writes:
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:<szkiscquaof.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display
towards the Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied)
and to "religion" as if all religous beliefs had a common source
and were therefore equally deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is: all you have
to do is observe the behavior of those who believe in it. The
Bible is just words, and actions speak louder than words.
You wouldn't be generalizing would you?
He made a point that apparently went right over your fat little head,
Spud.
I have to seriously question those who number themselves
I have to seriously question a Cop Reject who has to create sockpuppets
to make himself look like he has supporters.
Sockpuppets?
By the way, he has supporters.
...who hide behind an AOL proxy, no less. Let me guess -- you're athletic.
Hmmm,
No explain that one. He has AOL, I have Comcast.
I said an AOL proxy server, which is a slightly different animal -- and they
*can* be abused in such fashion as "Harleyman" demonstrated. (That doesn't
mean I'm saying that's what in fact happened, but that's what it looks like.)
Two different locations, two different ISP's. I do believe you owe him an
apology. I am not going to ask for one because I would accept any apology
from you to begin with.
You already did, SAS Boy -- which you managed to negate in short order by
attacking my wife.
But he was accused of something that was false, unsupported, and just flat
out wrong.
So are you going to be big enough to apologize or not?
If, in fact, he's a real person, I'll deal with him. You're not in charge.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Osprey" |
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14 Jul 2004 11:05:13 PM |
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"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szku0wa9cua.fsf@fnord.io.com...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkacy2ppxt.fsf@fnord.io.com...
eagleeye@mail.com (Harleyman) writes:
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:<szkiscquaof.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display
towards the Bible (which they don't appear to have ever
studied)
and to "religion" as if all religous beliefs had a common
source
and were therefore equally deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is: all you
have
to do is observe the behavior of those who believe in it. The
Bible is just words, and actions speak louder than words.
You wouldn't be generalizing would you?
He made a point that apparently went right over your fat little
head,
Spud.
I have to seriously question those who number themselves
I have to seriously question a Cop Reject who has to create
sockpuppets
to make himself look like he has supporters.
Sockpuppets?
By the way, he has supporters.
...who hide behind an AOL proxy, no less. Let me guess -- you're
athletic.
Hmmm,
No explain that one. He has AOL, I have Comcast.
I said an AOL proxy server, which is a slightly different animal -- and
they
*can* be abused in such fashion as "Harleyman" demonstrated. (That
doesn't
mean I'm saying that's what in fact happened, but that's what it looks
like.)
In other words, you don't have what it takes to admit you were wrong.
Two different locations, two different ISP's. I do believe you owe him
an
apology. I am not going to ask for one because I would accept any apology
from you to begin with.
You already did, SAS Boy -- which you managed to negate in short order by
attacking my wife.
And you forget that I did apologize for that. Something that you are not
man enough to do.
But he was accused of something that was false, unsupported, and just
flat
out wrong.
So are you going to be big enough to apologize or not?
If, in fact, he's a real person, I'll deal with him. You're not in
charge.
You are too much of a coward
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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15 Jul 2004 05:59:57 AM |
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:05:13 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szku0wa9cua.fsf@fnord.io.com...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkacy2ppxt.fsf@fnord.io.com...
eagleeye@mail.com (Harleyman) writes:
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:<szkiscquaof.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display
towards the Bible (which they don't appear to have ever
studied)
and to "religion" as if all religous beliefs had a common
source
and were therefore equally deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is: all you
have
to do is observe the behavior of those who believe in it. The
Bible is just words, and actions speak louder than words.
You wouldn't be generalizing would you?
He made a point that apparently went right over your fat little
head,
Spud.
I have to seriously question those who number themselves
I have to seriously question a Cop Reject who has to create
sockpuppets
to make himself look like he has supporters.
Sockpuppets?
By the way, he has supporters.
...who hide behind an AOL proxy, no less. Let me guess -- you're
athletic.
Hmmm,
No explain that one. He has AOL, I have Comcast.
I said an AOL proxy server, which is a slightly different animal -- and
they
*can* be abused in such fashion as "Harleyman" demonstrated. (That
doesn't
mean I'm saying that's what in fact happened, but that's what it looks
like.)
In other words, you don't have what it takes to admit you were wrong.
How is he wrong? He thinks you're Harleyman with good reason.
Two different locations, two different ISP's. I do believe you owe him
an
apology. I am not going to ask for one because I would accept any apology
from you to begin with.
You already did, SAS Boy -- which you managed to negate in short order by
attacking my wife.
And you forget that I did apologize for that.
Your disingenuous apologies are not impressive.
Something that you are not
man enough to do.
He's man enough to stick by his apologies.
But he was accused of something that was false, unsupported, and just
flat
out wrong.
So are you going to be big enough to apologize or not?
If, in fact, he's a real person, I'll deal with him. You're not in
charge.
You are too much of a coward
Well, harleyman, your charade is over.
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14 Jul 2004 12:17:48 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:wdSdnXiArKGL92jdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkacy2ppxt.fsf@fnord.io.com...
eagleeye@mail.com (Harleyman) writes:
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:<szkiscquaof.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display
towards
the Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to
"religion" as if all religous beliefs had a common source and
were
therefore equally deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is: all you have
to do is observe the behavior of those who believe in it. The
Bible is just words, and actions speak louder than words.
You wouldn't be generalizing would you?
He made a point that apparently went right over your fat little head,
Spud.
I have to seriously question those who number themselves
I have to seriously question a Cop Reject who has to create
sockpuppets
to
make himself look like he has supporters.
Sockpuppets?
By the way, he has supporters.
...who hide behind an AOL proxy, no less. Let me guess -- you're
athletic.
Hmmm,
No explain that one. He has AOL, I have Comcast.
Two different locations, two different ISP's. I do believe you owe him an
apology. I am not going to ask for one because I would
<correction>
would NOT
<end correction>
accept any apology
from you to begin with.
But he was accused of something that was false, unsupported, and just flat
out wrong.
So are you going to be big enough to apologize or not?
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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14 Jul 2004 10:22:19 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:wdSdnXiArKGL92jdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
[...]
Two different locations, two different ISP's. I do believe you owe him an
apology. I am not going to ask for one because I would
<correction>
would NOT
<end correction>
accept any apology
from you to begin with.
Quote the whole thing to add three lines that you'd never have had reason to
add if you were at least as literate as the average sixth-grader. Nice waste
of bandwidth, Inspector Clouseau.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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15 Jul 2004 06:38:23 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<wdSdnXiArKGL92jdRVn-jA@comcast.com>...
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkacy2ppxt.fsf@fnord.io.com...
eagleeye@mail.com (Harleyman) writes:
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:<szkiscquaof.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display
towards
the Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to
"religion" as if all religous beliefs had a common source and were
therefore equally deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is: all you have
to do is observe the behavior of those who believe in it. The
Bible is just words, and actions speak louder than words.
You wouldn't be generalizing would you?
He made a point that apparently went right over your fat little head,
Spud.
I have to seriously question those who number themselves
I have to seriously question a Cop Reject who has to create sockpuppets
to
make himself look like he has supporters.
Sockpuppets?
By the way, he has supporters.
...who hide behind an AOL proxy, no less. Let me guess -- you're
athletic.
Hmmm,
No explain that one. He has AOL, I have Comcast.
AOL disks show up in my mail all the time, and they usually provide 30
days free. Why do you think everyone is dumber than you?
Two different locations, two different ISP's. I do believe you owe him an
apology. I am not going to ask for one because I would accept any apology
from you to begin with.
But he was accused of something that was false, unsupported, and just flat
out wrong.
So are you going to be big enough to apologize or not?
Heh, you create sockpuppets and when get your ***** exposed you start
demanding apologies? LOL!
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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13 Jul 2004 02:47:17 PM |
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Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote in
news:slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com:
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is
I wonder if anyone can top the idiocy of the above statement.
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| User: "Tom" |
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13 Jul 2004 04:07:03 PM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:db754$40f43c45$44294955$17888@nf1.news-service-com...
Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote in
news:slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com:
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is
I wonder if anyone can top the idiocy of the above statement.
Yes, you did when you clipped his post. Tell you what troll, I am an atheist
and I spent 45 years as a Southern Baptist so I know the bible pretty well
and I can tell you for a fact that this book wasn't written by god and that
while it does have some factual events in it, it has many instances of the
ignorance of those who wrote it.
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| User: "fencingsax" |
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15 Jul 2004 09:00:51 PM |
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Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote in message news:<slrncf8dg9.1a6j.eighner@goodwill.io.com>...
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion" as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is: all you have
to do is observe the behavior of those who believe in it. The
Bible is just words, and actions speak louder than words.
I myself dislike those who feel that the Bible is the ONLY reliable
religious source. Like you. I know enough about the Bible to have a
semi-literate conversation, but, also probably unlike you, I have also
learned of other philosophies and religions.
I do agree that some religious books (i.e the Book of Mormon)(peeping
stones in a hat... come on!) are quite ludicrous. Nonetheless, I
believe that as long as a religion teaches toleration and moderation,
it is worth teaching to others.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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13 Jul 2004 03:55:07 PM |
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:23:30 -0500, Lars Eighner
<eighner@io.com> screamed out:
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion" as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is:
Yes, you do, since if you don't, you are taking the
word of others who quote out of context and then act as
if they done something meaningful. Atheists quoting
other ignorant atheists, does not an intelligent
argument make.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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Use words if necessary."
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: Your average ignorant atheist |
13 Jul 2004 10:28:47 PM |
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In article <vvi8f013erutf8ium45t5norcpo455r821@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:23:30 -0500, Lars Eighner
<eighner@io.com> screamed out:
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion" as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is:
Yes, you do, since if you don't, you are taking the
word of others who quote out of context and then act as
if they done something meaningful. Atheists quoting
other ignorant atheists, does not an intelligent
argument make.
True, but atheists quoting other informed atheists
does make an intelligent argument. Many Christians
assume that all atheists are ignorant of the Bible.
That's simply not true. There are also many Christians
who have no clue what the Bible says; they simply
take the word of their Christian friends and family
regarding the Bible.
A few months ago when I was on a date with a woman
who told me she was a devout Christian, we got into
the discussion about atheism vs. religious faith. I
asked her if she ever read the Bible and she was
honest enough to say that she hadn't. I talked her
into taking a Sunday Bible study course at a church
near her house. I did this by asking her how she can
say she believes in the teachings of the Bible without
ever having read it and given it serious thought. She
agreed with me.
On a subsequent date, she told me that now that she
has studied the Bible, she thinks a lot of it makes
no sense at all. I suggested she study the Bible in
greater detail.
You see, I really don't care what religion people
believe in, if any. All I ask is that when a religious
person attempts to convince me their religion is true,
that they have proof of their claim and be willing to
hear my explanation of why their religion is false.
It works both ways. Those who respect my right not
to believe in their religion earn my respect for their
decision to believe in their religion.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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13 Jul 2004 04:10:51 PM |
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In our last episode,
<vvi8f013erutf8ium45t5norcpo455r821@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented Pastor Dave
broadcast on alt.atheism:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:23:30 -0500, Lars Eighner
< > screamed out:
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display towards the
Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and to "religion" as
if all religous beliefs had a common source and were therefore equally
deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is:
Yes, you do, since if you don't, you are taking the
word of others who quote out of context and then act as
if they done something meaningful. Atheists quoting
other ignorant atheists, does not an intelligent
argument make.
Observing how christians behave shows that the bible is just
an ordinary book, like any novel you might pull off the shelves.
Christian wickedness proves there is nothing divine about it.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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13 Jul 2004 07:14:06 PM |
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"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncf8jpi.1ack.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
Observing how christians behave shows that the bible is just
an ordinary book, like any novel you might pull off the shelves.
Christian wickedness proves there is nothing divine about it.
================
The old testament reads like a Stephen King novel. This so-called merciful
god murders people, drowns them, kills their newborn children, gives them
diseases.... it's a real horror story.
--
FP...........
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "Slate" |
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14 Jul 2004 11:12:00 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:14:06 -0500, "Flower Power"
<LadiesFirst@thisNG.com> wrote:
"Lars Eighner" <eighner@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncf8jpi.1ack.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
Observing how christians behave shows that the bible is just
an ordinary book, like any novel you might pull off the shelves.
Christian wickedness proves there is nothing divine about it.
================
The old testament reads like a Stephen King novel. This so-called merciful
god murders people, drowns them, kills their newborn children, gives them
diseases.... it's a real horror story.
Yes, he's a loving god. Didn't he also make a deaf man blind? ; -)
Anyway, here is a quote from the above author that describes
his religious feelings.
"The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain
everything. Once God (or Satan) is accepted as the first cause of
everything which happens in the mortal world, nothing is left to
chance...logic can be happily tossed out the window."
[Stephen King]
Slate
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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14 Jul 2004 03:49:53 PM |
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"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nhmaf05kkf2175vhl080u6mmvrl8dtm4it@4ax.com...
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:14:06 -0500, "Flower Power"
<LadiesFirst@thisNG.com> wrote:
The old testament reads like a Stephen King novel. This so-called
merciful
god murders people, drowns them, kills their newborn children, gives them
diseases.... it's a real horror story.
Yes, he's a loving god. Didn't he also make a deaf man blind? ; -)
Anyway, here is a quote from the above author that describes
his religious feelings.
"The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain
everything. Once God (or Satan) is accepted as the first cause of
everything which happens in the mortal world, nothing is left to
chance...logic can be happily tossed out the window."
[Stephen King]
Slate
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LOL!!! Interesting... :-) Maybe the Bible is where Mr. King gets all
his horror story ideas from.
FP....
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Your average ignorant atheist |
13 Jul 2004 04:22:19 PM |
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Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote in
news:slrncf8jpi.1ack.eighner@goodwill.io.com:
In our last episode,
<vvi8f013erutf8ium45t5norcpo455r821@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented Pastor Dave
broadcast on alt.atheism:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:23:30 -0500, Lars Eighner
<eighner@io.com> screamed out:
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display
towards the Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and
to "religion" as if all religous beliefs had a common source and were
therefore equally deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is:
Yes, you do, since if you don't, you are taking the
word of others who quote out of context and then act as
if they done something meaningful. Atheists quoting
other ignorant atheists, does not an intelligent
argument make.
Observing how christians behave shows that the bible is just
an ordinary book, like any novel you might pull off the shelves.
Christian wickedness proves there is nothing divine about it.
How so? The Bible says even Christians are unrighteous.
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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13 Jul 2004 07:11:04 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:22:19 +0200, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote in
news:slrncf8jpi.1ack.eighner@goodwill.io.com:
In our last episode,
<vvi8f013erutf8ium45t5norcpo455r821@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented Pastor Dave
broadcast on alt.atheism:
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:23:30 -0500, Lars Eighner
<eighner@io.com> screamed out:
In our last episode,
<c8d7$40f43498$5006cf5a$12594@nf1.news-service-com>,
the lovely and talented Xomicron
broadcast on alt.atheism:
I am surprised by the amount of hostility some posters display
towards the Bible (which they don't appear to have ever studied) and
to "religion" as if all religous beliefs had a common source and were
therefore equally deserving of denigration.
You don't need to know the Bible to know what it is:
Yes, you do, since if you don't, you are taking the
word of others who quote out of context and then act as
if they done something meaningful. Atheists quoting
other ignorant atheists, does not an intelligent
argument make.
Observing how christians behave shows that the bible is just
an ordinary book, like any novel you might pull off the shelves.
Christian wickedness proves there is nothing divine about it.
How so? The Bible says even Christians are unrighteous.
"What the bible says" is immaterial. Christians rarely live according
to the bible or know what it says, and the bible itself contradicts
almost every statement it makes.
--
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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| User: "-Hector-" |
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13 Jul 2004 08:09:14 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:11:04 GMT, W. Syme
<Winston.Syme.superstitions@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:22:19 +0200, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
<<minor redaction>>
How so? The Bible says even Christians are unrighteous.
"What the bible says" is immaterial. Christians rarely live according
to the bible or know what it says, and the bible itself contradicts
almost every statement it makes.
Am I able to prove to you that the Bible is legitimate by
presenting examples of scripture from the Bible? If I were to do so
would you change your attitude towards it?
Quite curious,
Hector
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| User: "Raymond Griffith" |
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13 Jul 2004 08:37:44 PM |
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-Hector- wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:11:04 GMT, W. Syme
<Winston.Syme.superstitions@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:22:19 +0200, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
<<minor redaction>>
How so? The Bible says even Christians are unrighteous.
"What the bible says" is immaterial. Christians rarely live according
to the bible or know what it says, and the bible itself contradicts
almost every statement it makes.
Am I able to prove to you that the Bible is legitimate by
presenting examples of scripture from the Bible? If I were to do so
would you change your attitude towards it?
Quite curious,
Hector
Hector, I don't know about Syme, but I would be interested in your
examples. But please be advised that declaring the truth of a part does
not imply the truth of a whole.
I would also be interested in what level of inspiration you attribute to
the Scriptures.
But it would not be an academic interpretation of Scripture or even a
demonstration of the truth of it that will change people's minds about
it. What will change people's minds is a demonstration of its effectiveness.
When we have people who quote Scripture, but are unafraid to lie, or who
are unabashedly vile and hateful, they demonstrate that the Scripture
has not changed their hearts! *THAT*, more than anything, is a reason
for people not to believe it.
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
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