Religions > Atheism > # Shrub DECEIVED US about too many LIFE and DEATH decisions and events - Including what he knew about 911
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# Shrub DECEIVED US about too many LIFE and DEATH decisions and events - Including what he knew about 911 |
The RECORD will show that Shrub DECEIVED US about nearly everything that
concerns LIFE & DEATH - Including what he knew about 911.
Why did they do nothing when the attack could have been foiled and then
greatly over responded to protect the president against a phantom threat?
He also has been a major flip-flopper far more so than Kerry, as others
have revealed!
He has made the WRONG LIFE and DEATH decisions concerning nearly every
choice he has made!
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| User: "yelps" |
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| Title: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
11 Sep 2004 01:38:38 AM |
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml
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| User: "The True AntiLiberal" |
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11 Sep 2004 11:03:36 AM |
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"yelps" <yelps@xemaps.com> wrote in message news:<deKdnQfiAMTwAN_cRVn-jw@adelphia.com>...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml
dc
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| User: "Jebus Loves You" |
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11 Sep 2004 04:45:11 PM |
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"The True AntiLiberal" <thetrueantiliberal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"yelps" <yelps@xemaps.com> wrote in message
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml
dc
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Dan Rather reports, "The earth is flat".
When did Rather become a radical right wing fundamentalist?
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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12 Sep 2004 01:21:25 PM |
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Dan Rather reports, "The earth is flat".
When did Rather become a radical right wing fundamentalist?
Well, he IS a Texan...
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "P.K." |
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12 Sep 2004 07:26:38 PM |
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Dan Rather has always been a stupid putz and this careless act on his part proves it. I hope
he is fired by CBS for "yellow journalism".
The True AntiLiberal wrote:
"yelps" <yelps@xemaps.com> wrote in message news:<deKdnQfiAMTwAN_cRVn-jw@adelphia.com>...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml
dc
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www.yelpsastound.com
Up next,
Dan Rather reports, "The earth is flat".
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| User: "BlackWater" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
11 Sep 2004 01:18:37 PM |
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Nobody CARES. Isn't that clear by now ? The Vietnam war
was over 30 goddamned years ago and the only person who
wants to relive it is John Kerry. Look, "W" did whatever
he did, Kerry did whatever he did ... but it's all long
PAST - echos of a very screwed-up time. "W" is pulling
well ahead in all polls and surveys. The more we get to
know John Kerry the less we like him. "W" may not be
perfect but he's less imperfect than KennedyKloneKerry.
"W' wins, America wins, Kerry looses ... and Hillary is
president in 2008 fer sure. Of course she's not as 'liberal'
as she used to be ...
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| User: "P.K." |
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12 Sep 2004 07:30:07 PM |
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Agreed, but don't forget who brought this subject up in the first place.
Yes it was old Khon himself. The big "hero".
BlackWater wrote:
Nobody CARES. Isn't that clear by now ? The Vietnam war
was over 30 goddamned years ago and the only person who
wants to relive it is John Kerry. Look, "W" did whatever
he did, Kerry did whatever he did ... but it's all long
PAST - echos of a very screwed-up time. "W" is pulling
well ahead in all polls and surveys. The more we get to
know John Kerry the less we like him. "W" may not be
perfect but he's less imperfect than KennedyKloneKerry.
"W' wins, America wins, Kerry looses ... and Hillary is
president in 2008 fer sure. Of course she's not as 'liberal'
as she used to be ...
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| User: "Mike V." |
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| Title: Re: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
11 Sep 2004 02:27:11 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:38:38 -0700, "yelps" <yelps@xemaps.com> posted
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml
Why shouldn't they?
No one has been able to prove that the documents are fakes and the
right wing media knows that.
But I'm sure in the coming week, idiots like Sean Heil Hannity will be
making plenty of empty and baseless statements on the "Fair And
Balanced" Fox News.
Just as Hub's post says below, the IBM could have easily made that
document, but that will get scraped under the carpet.
Bush Co. are a bunch of fucking Chickenhawks. Nothing or nobody can
dispute that.
When there is a war, they support it, but they won't fight it.
They never have.
They are continuing to chant the "Terror" mantra over and over yet
they have done nothing, really to actually stop it.
In fact they have made it worse.
And they got us into an un-needed war.
Everyone KNOWS that. No one can deny we are there in Iraq for
NOTHING.
But, they have to keep chanting that mantra because the country is
slowly but surely slipping down the shitter and everyone KNOWS that as
well.
..
Unless you are:
A rich buddy of Bush.
A Pharmaceutical company.
Halliburton.
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| User: "P.K." |
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12 Sep 2004 07:33:09 PM |
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Nobody has been able to prove that these document are real either. People
like you who forge documents like these should at least to a better job of
it.
"Mike V." wrote:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:38:38 -0700, "yelps" <yelps@xemaps.com> posted
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml
Why shouldn't they?
No one has been able to prove that the documents are fakes and the
right wing media knows that.
But I'm sure in the coming week, idiots like Sean Heil Hannity will be
making plenty of empty and baseless statements on the "Fair And
Balanced" Fox News.
Just as Hub's post says below, the IBM could have easily made that
document, but that will get scraped under the carpet.
Bush Co. are a bunch of fucking Chickenhawks. Nothing or nobody can
dispute that.
When there is a war, they support it, but they won't fight it.
They never have.
They are continuing to chant the "Terror" mantra over and over yet
they have done nothing, really to actually stop it.
In fact they have made it worse.
And they got us into an un-needed war.
Everyone KNOWS that. No one can deny we are there in Iraq for
NOTHING.
But, they have to keep chanting that mantra because the country is
slowly but surely slipping down the shitter and everyone KNOWS that as
well.
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Unless you are:
A rich buddy of Bush.
A Pharmaceutical company.
Halliburton.
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| User: "Mike V." |
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| Title: Re: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
16 Sep 2004 12:32:19 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:33:09 -0700, "P.K." <george@vcnet.com> posted :
Nobody has been able to prove that these document are real either. People
like you who forge documents like these should at least to a better job of
it.
Um, yea, OK.
Bush still has yet to disprove the charges that he did not complete
his service.
It's bad enough that he used daddy to get in, but then to not serve,
then decry those that do. Well, I shouldn't be surprised given how
morally bankrupt the entire administration is.
They are all nothing but chickenshit chickenhawks.
They glorify war no matter what, yet have never fought given the
opportunity.
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| User: "Venger" |
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16 Sep 2004 12:37:20 AM |
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"Mike V." <michaelavSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:33:09 -0700, "P.K." <george@vcnet.com> posted :
Nobody has been able to prove that these document are real either. People
like you who forge documents like these should at least to a better job
of
it.
Um, yea, OK.
Bush still has yet to disprove the charges that he did not complete
his service.
Huh?
He has an HONORABLE DISCHARGE, *****. Those levelling the charge must PROVE
it, it is not up to Bush to disprove it.
I don't think you actually fulfilled your duty in the 3rd grade. I don't
care if you have a report card and were passed, you have to DISPROVE my
charge. Fuckwit.
It's bad enough that he used daddy to get in, but then to not serve,
Not to serve? He spent alot more time in uniform than Kerry did for crying
out loud. Hell, he was on Air Force active duty for four months, and had
over 300 flight hours in the F-102. That's a hell of alot longer than 4
months and out...
then decry those that do. Well, I shouldn't be surprised given how
morally bankrupt the entire administration is.
They are all nothing but chickenshit chickenhawks.
They glorify war no matter what, yet have never fought given the
opportunity.
Boy you're a REAL deep thinker...
Venger
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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16 Sep 2004 09:33:33 AM |
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"Venger" <Venger@augustmail.com> writes:
"Mike V." <michaelavSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
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Bush still has yet to disprove the charges that he did not complete
his service.
Huh?
He has an HONORABLE DISCHARGE, *****.
I don't want to hear about any discharges from Bush's *****.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "lab~rat" |
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16 Sep 2004 09:49:36 AM |
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On 16 Sep 2004 14:33:33 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> puked:
"Venger" <Venger@augustmail.com> writes:
"Mike V." <michaelavSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
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Bush still has yet to disprove the charges that he did not complete
his service.
Huh?
He has an HONORABLE DISCHARGE, *****.
I don't want to hear about any discharges from Bush's *****.
Back to the bush's discharge? Just as bad, in my book...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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16 Sep 2004 03:06:59 PM |
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"Venger" <Venger@augustmail.com> wrote in message news:<kE92d.2563$b7.682@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>...
"Mike V." <michaelavSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:33:09 -0700, "P.K." <george@vcnet.com> posted :
Nobody has been able to prove that these document are real either. People
like you who forge documents like these should at least to a better job
of
it.
Um, yea, OK.
Bush still has yet to disprove the charges that he did not complete
his service.
Huh?
He has an HONORABLE DISCHARGE, *****. Those levelling the charge must PROVE
it, it is not up to Bush to disprove it.
I don't think you actually fulfilled your duty in the 3rd grade. I don't
care if you have a report card and were passed, you have to DISPROVE my
charge. Fuckwit.
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
It's bad enough that he used daddy to get in, but then to not serve,
Not to serve? He spent alot more time in uniform than Kerry did for crying
out loud. Hell, he was on Air Force active duty for four months, and had
over 300 flight hours in the F-102. That's a hell of alot longer than 4
months and out...
Actually Kerry did serve another tour of duty (before the 4 month
Vietnam tour) in a boat off the California coast in the Navy.
Perhaps a week off the Vietnam coast also. He also was in some sort
of reserve status from 1970 to some later date that I don't remember.
Something like four or five years.
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| User: "Ford" |
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16 Sep 2004 03:13:10 PM |
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"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Venger" <Venger@augustmail.com> wrote in message
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"Mike V." <michaelavSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:33:09 -0700, "P.K." <george@vcnet.com> posted :
Nobody has been able to prove that these document are real either.
People
like you who forge documents like these should at least to a better
job
of
it.
Um, yea, OK.
Bush still has yet to disprove the charges that he did not complete
his service.
Huh?
He has an HONORABLE DISCHARGE, *****. Those levelling the charge must
PROVE
it, it is not up to Bush to disprove it.
I don't think you actually fulfilled your duty in the 3rd grade. I don't
care if you have a report card and were passed, you have to DISPROVE my
charge. Fuckwit.
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
It's bad enough that he used daddy to get in, but then to not serve,
Not to serve? He spent alot more time in uniform than Kerry did for
crying
out loud. Hell, he was on Air Force active duty for four months, and had
over 300 flight hours in the F-102. That's a hell of alot longer than 4
months and out...
Actually Kerry did serve another tour of duty (before the 4 month
Vietnam tour) in a boat off the California coast in the Navy.
Perhaps a week off the Vietnam coast also. He also was in some sort
of reserve status from 1970 to some later date that I don't remember.
Something like four or five years.
And as important, he wrote on his enlistment papers, "I want to go to
Vietnam" and not "Daddy! Save me Daddy!"
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
17 Sep 2004 01:36:28 PM |
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"Ford" <johnyorkis@dork.com> wrote in message news:<qtm2d.21916$Fx6.13876@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Mike V." <michaelavSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:33:09 -0700, "P.K." <george@vcnet.com> posted :
Nobody has been able to prove that these document are real either.
People
like you who forge documents like these should at least to a better
job
of
it.
Um, yea, OK.
Bush still has yet to disprove the charges that he did not complete
his service.
Huh?
He has an HONORABLE DISCHARGE, *****. Those levelling the charge must
PROVE
it, it is not up to Bush to disprove it.
I don't think you actually fulfilled your duty in the 3rd grade. I don't
care if you have a report card and were passed, you have to DISPROVE my
charge. Fuckwit.
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
It's bad enough that he used daddy to get in, but then to not serve,
Not to serve? He spent alot more time in uniform than Kerry did for
crying
out loud. Hell, he was on Air Force active duty for four months, and had
over 300 flight hours in the F-102. That's a hell of alot longer than 4
months and out...
Actually Kerry did serve another tour of duty (before the 4 month
Vietnam tour) in a boat off the California coast in the Navy.
Perhaps a week off the Vietnam coast also. He also was in some sort
of reserve status from 1970 to some later date that I don't remember.
Something like four or five years.
And as important, he wrote on his enlistment papers, "I want to go to
Vietnam"
Well it's not so clear cut as that either. Kerry did get, if I
recall correctly, five deferments. He was anti-vietnam war before
his enlistment. When his sixth was rejected and his number was up he
all the sudden decides to join the navy. Better than being a grunt
considering that Vietnam had nothing in the water. This first tour
of duty was spent on the the USS Gridley. I believe it was operating
in the Pacifist Ocean at the time of the coast of California. It
did spent one week of the Vietnam coast.
Kerry then reupped for a tour on the swift boats off the coast of
vietnam. He claimed that he wanted a closer look at the war (but
from a safe distance). Unfortunatly, they changed the role of the
boats just after he arrived to river patrol. He didn't like that at
all. He now was in for one of the more hazardous duties in the war.
Despite all these attempts at avoiding actual combat he did apparently
show courage under fire. Even the SBVFT admit so much.
and not "Daddy! Save me Daddy!"
This is not so clear either. I believe the conjecture but it is only
conjecture.
The group he volunteered for was doing combat missions in Vietnam.
Again however from the air. If I recall back then we had air
superiority but it was nothing like today. Pilots were getting shot
down. He did train to become a pilot. But seems like he got to
transfer to Alabama because he was working on some political campaign.
Seems he showed up too, as there are people who remember him there
despite claims otherwise.
So I would say that Bush signed up thinking he would have safer combat
duty also but in the end thought some political campaign was more
important than giving back fully on the investment the TANG put in
him. It costs money to train pilots. Maybe he got up in the plane
and said to himself, "Hey, I suck at this. I'm going to get myself
killed and waste a plane to boot". Who knows? But it seems he did
back out. I think but I haven't researched this all that much. But
to say he "didn't serve" as a prior post did is also incorrect.
The main problem I have with Kerry on this issue is what he did after
he came back.
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| User: "Ford" |
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18 Sep 2004 09:34:39 AM |
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"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:33:09 -0700, "P.K." <george@vcnet.com>
posted :
Nobody has been able to prove that these document are real
either.
People
like you who forge documents like these should at least to a
better
job
of
it.
Um, yea, OK.
Bush still has yet to disprove the charges that he did not
complete
his service.
Huh?
He has an HONORABLE DISCHARGE, *****. Those levelling the charge
must
PROVE
it, it is not up to Bush to disprove it.
I don't think you actually fulfilled your duty in the 3rd grade. I
don't
care if you have a report card and were passed, you have to DISPROVE
my
charge. Fuckwit.
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
It's bad enough that he used daddy to get in, but then to not
serve,
Not to serve? He spent alot more time in uniform than Kerry did for
crying
out loud. Hell, he was on Air Force active duty for four months, and
had
over 300 flight hours in the F-102. That's a hell of alot longer
than 4
months and out...
Actually Kerry did serve another tour of duty (before the 4 month
Vietnam tour) in a boat off the California coast in the Navy.
Perhaps a week off the Vietnam coast also. He also was in some sort
of reserve status from 1970 to some later date that I don't remember.
Something like four or five years.
And as important, he wrote on his enlistment papers, "I want to go to
Vietnam"
Well it's not so clear cut as that either. Kerry did get, if I
recall correctly, five deferments. He was anti-vietnam war before
his enlistment. When his sixth was rejected and his number was up he
all the sudden decides to join the navy. Better than being a grunt
considering that Vietnam had nothing in the water. This first tour
of duty was spent on the the USS Gridley. I believe it was operating
in the Pacifist Ocean at the time of the coast of California.
These are gross misstatements, Iggy. Kerry volunteered the week his number
came up and even wrote on his enlistment papers, as I already highlighted,
that he "wanted to go to Vietnam".
I believe you mistook the Kerry deferment numbers for the multitude of
deferments that that old 'hawk' ***** Cheney got.
Things have said about Kerry's tour of duty for his country that most
conservatives and hardcore Republicans would have absolutely gone ape-*****
about.
And they just aren't true.
It doesn't matter what he did afterwords. Lots of people in positions of
authority now, we're then protesting that foul, vile embarressment to the
National Pride; the Vietnam War. Your didn't hear freedom-loving,
America-loving and flag loving Democrats screaming bloddy murder at Henry
Hyde when he practiced his hypocrisy right out in the open by attempting to
try Slick Willie in a court of law for having a libido, when old Henry
himself had been a home-wrecker in his younger days.
Listen, I could forgive GW almost anything at this point, understanding how
collossally sedated he usually is, but sucking Saudi *****, like Bush does,
THAT is unforgiveable.
***** those ***** Saudis. THEY are the money behind any real terrorist
threat directed at America.
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
18 Sep 2004 05:19:34 PM |
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"Mike V." <michaelavSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:33:09 -0700, "P.K." <george@vcnet.com>
posted :
Nobody has been able to prove that these document are real
either.
People
like you who forge documents like these should at least to a
better
job
of
it.
Um, yea, OK.
Bush still has yet to disprove the charges that he did not
complete
his service.
Huh?
He has an HONORABLE DISCHARGE, *****. Those levelling the charge
must
PROVE
it, it is not up to Bush to disprove it.
I don't think you actually fulfilled your duty in the 3rd grade. I
don't
care if you have a report card and were passed, you have to DISPROVE
my
charge. Fuckwit.
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
It's bad enough that he used daddy to get in, but then to not
serve,
Not to serve? He spent alot more time in uniform than Kerry did for
crying
out loud. Hell, he was on Air Force active duty for four months, and
had
over 300 flight hours in the F-102. That's a hell of alot longer
than 4
months and out...
Actually Kerry did serve another tour of duty (before the 4 month
Vietnam tour) in a boat off the California coast in the Navy.
Perhaps a week off the Vietnam coast also. He also was in some sort
of reserve status from 1970 to some later date that I don't remember.
Something like four or five years.
And as important, he wrote on his enlistment papers, "I want to go to
Vietnam"
Well it's not so clear cut as that either. Kerry did get, if I
recall correctly, five deferments. He was anti-vietnam war before
his enlistment. When his sixth was rejected and his number was up he
all the sudden decides to join the navy. Better than being a grunt
considering that Vietnam had nothing in the water. This first tour
of duty was spent on the the USS Gridley. I believe it was operating
in the Pacifist Ocean at the time of the coast of California.
These are gross misstatements, Iggy. Kerry volunteered the week his number
came up and even wrote on his enlistment papers, as I already highlighted,
that he "wanted to go to Vietnam".
He was anti-war prior to volunteering. His motivations for going to
Vietnam in the NAVY may have been more aligned with his knownn
political aspirations than his patriotism.
I believe you mistook the Kerry deferment numbers for the multitude of
deferments that that old 'hawk' ***** Cheney got.
You are correct I did recall incorrectly. It was Cheney who got four
deferments for his four years in college and his fifth deferment for
being married.
However, Kerry got a single four year deferment because he did not
change schools or other status requirements. Kerry applied for a
deferment but was rejected. When his number was up he volunteered to
the NAVY and said "he wanted to go to Vietnam". Seems to fit what I
said. So other than a miscount as to number of deferements how is
what I said a gross misstatement.
Things have [been] said about Kerry's tour of duty for his country that most
conservatives and hardcore Republicans would have absolutely gone ape-*****
about.
I'm not sure what you mean by the above?
And they just aren't true.
Be specific.
It doesn't matter what he did afterwords.
This I disagree with.
Lots of people in positions of
authority now, we're then protesting that foul, vile embarressment to the
National Pride; the Vietnam War.
Wait a second. If the VVAW (with Kerry as chief spokesperson) were
lying then your characterization might just be incorrect. Most of the
"Winter Soldiers" turned out not to have gone to Vietnam, some were
not even Vets. None actually signed any affidavits certifying their
accounts. Kerry admitted later on a TV debate that he never
witnessed or heard of any atrocity. I heard an interview with
another member of VVAW (V'Nam Vets Against the War) who was livid with
Kerry. Many of the members were against the war, not because the US
was foul and vile, but because the war was not being fully supported.
He wanted us all in or all out.
What's so vile about preventing the communist from killing a few
million people? Have you ever heard of killing fields and boat
people.
Seems to me if the Kerrys of the US hadn't been working with the VC
and USSR propaganda machines our reputation wouldn't have been dragged
through the dirt. Yes, I know about incidents in Vietnam but there
was no reason to believe it was official policy to murder civilians as
Kerry claimed.
You didn't hear freedom-loving,
America-loving and flag loving Democrats screaming bloddy murder at Henry
Hyde when he practiced his hypocrisy right out in the open by attempting to
try Slick Willie in a court of law for having a libido, when old Henry
himself had been a home-wrecker in his younger days.
Are you kidding. They were screaming bloody murder with every excuse
possible. The Democratic spin was that Clinton was being dogged
because he had an affair. In fact they still don't live up to what
actually was going on. It wasn't about having an affair with Monica.
It was about a lawsuit claiming sexual harrassment filed by another
woman. Monica would have just be another example of Clinton making
sexual advances at a subordinate. That was the purpose. It wasn't
a morality play. Clinton wasn't on trial for being a home-wrecker.
It was the Democrats who pushed for such laws in the first place.
Just look sideways at a woman in the office nowdays and your looking
at a lawsuit. Even if she is wearing a mini-skirt to the office every
day.
Listen, I could forgive GW almost anything at this point, understanding how
collossally sedated he usually is, but sucking Saudi *****, like Bush does,
THAT is unforgiveable.
Should we invade?
***** those ***** Saudis. THEY are the money behind any real terrorist
threat directed at America.
Again, invade or not?
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| User: "lab~rat" |
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17 Sep 2004 06:53:58 AM |
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On 16 Sep 2004 13:06:59 -0700,
(Igtheist) puked:
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. - The late, great
stoner Carl Sagan...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
17 Sep 2004 01:55:43 PM |
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lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message news:<ktrjk0p5eafppbikg13i13jd8q3hutl3hv@4ax.com>...
On 16 Sep 2004 13:06:59 -0700,
(Igtheist) puked:
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. - The late, great
stoner Carl Sagan...
So you disagree with my sarcasm or you didn't get it? I saw that at
a blog and thought it was funny. Perhaps ProtestWarrior.com should
add it to their collection of signs:
http://protestwarrior.com/signs.php?thumb=1
You owe me an apology on this one. Perhaps you'll get me another
time on some other subject.
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
17 Sep 2004 05:04:03 PM |
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(Igtheist) writes:
lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message news:<ktrjk0p5eafppbikg13i13jd8q3hutl3hv@4ax.com>...
On 16 Sep 2004 13:06:59 -0700,
(Igtheist) puked:
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. - The late, great
stoner Carl Sagan...
So you disagree with my sarcasm or you didn't get it? I saw that at
a blog and thought it was funny. Perhaps ProtestWarrior.com should
add it to their collection of signs:
http://protestwarrior.com/signs.php?thumb=1
Anyone else find it funny that a rightwing website has a poster
slamming France right next to a picture of the Statue of Liberty?
What morons.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
19 Sep 2004 04:42:14 PM |
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Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote in message news:<414b5f53$0$58392$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>...
(Igtheist) writes:
lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message news:<ktrjk0p5eafppbikg13i13jd8q3hutl3hv@4ax.com>...
On 16 Sep 2004 13:06:59 -0700,
(Igtheist) puked:
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. - The late, great
stoner Carl Sagan...
So you disagree with my sarcasm or you didn't get it? I saw that at
a blog and thought it was funny. Perhaps ProtestWarrior.com should
add it to their collection of signs:
http://protestwarrior.com/signs.php?thumb=1
Anyone else find it funny that a rightwing website has a poster
slamming France right next to a picture of the Statue of Liberty?
What morons.
I don't think they were slamming the French for paying for part of the
costs of a statue honoring "Liberty" (and not necessarily the U.S.).
The French government does deserve to be slammed on defense, and had
little to nothing to do with the Statue of Liberty.
I find it funny that you would think the Statue of Liberty gives the
French government the right to decide how we defend ourselves.
Especially with them selling breeder reactors to nut cases, and doing
the majority of arming them to boot. U.S. contributed like 1% of the
arms the Iraqis used against us. Plus French continued arming them
after the Gulf War and were taking kickbacks on food for oil programs.
If you think Iraq was about French principles then perhaps you are the
one that should be trying on the label "moron".
A little history for you also… The Statue of Liberty was not a
donation from the French government. It was the idea of a French
citizen who set up the French-American Union. Donations were
collected from both the French and Americans for the statue.
Americans ended up paying for the pedestal and assembly of the statue
to boot through a private US organization, The American Committee.
We already know about French help during our fight with the British so
please don't bring that up. What was that around 200 years or more
ago? Wasn't that in their self-interest also? Haven't things been
pretty much one way from WWI through II and the Cold War? Now most
of Europe is militarily weak. In fact they could even hold up their
end in Yugoslavia. That what we get for stationing our troops over
there. Smartest move Bush made is to scale them down. I think he
has got it drawn out to slow though.
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| User: "Venger" |
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19 Sep 2004 04:56:39 PM |
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"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec75c602.0409191342.759f044b@posting.google.com...
We already know about French help during our fight with the British so
please don't bring that up. What was that around 200 years or more
ago? Wasn't that in their self-interest also?
The French support came only after the ground war tide had turned against
the British. Don't forget that.
Venger
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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20 Sep 2004 05:53:26 PM |
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"Venger" <Venger@augustmail.com> wrote in message news:<rgn3d.4977$Fc7.2293@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>...
"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec75c602.0409191342.759f044b@posting.google.com...
We already know about French help during our fight with the British so
please don't bring that up. What was that around 200 years or more
ago? Wasn't that in their self-interest also?
The French support came only after the ground war tide had turned against
the British. Don't forget that.
Venger
You are right about military support. I believe they boxed in the
British Navy in some bay. Chesapeake? Only after it looked like we
had the British cornered. However, didn't they also loan us money or
something from the get go? Of course, we probably paid it back.
I'm not sure I like the French idea of Liberty either. Didn't it
involve frequent use of the guillotine.
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| User: "lab~rat" |
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20 Sep 2004 08:36:05 AM |
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On 17 Sep 2004 22:04:03 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> puked:
(Igtheist) writes:
lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message news:<ktrjk0p5eafppbikg13i13jd8q3hutl3hv@4ax.com>...
On 16 Sep 2004 13:06:59 -0700,
(Igtheist) puked:
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. - The late, great
stoner Carl Sagan...
So you disagree with my sarcasm or you didn't get it? I saw that at
a blog and thought it was funny. Perhaps ProtestWarrior.com should
add it to their collection of signs:
http://protestwarrior.com/signs.php?thumb=1
Anyone else find it funny that a rightwing website has a poster
slamming France right next to a picture of the Statue of Liberty?
What morons.
A logical extension would be to blame France for all the stupid
immigrants fucking up our country...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "P.K." |
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22 Sep 2004 01:16:46 AM |
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I've already blamed the fuckers for that.
lab~rat wrote:
On 17 Sep 2004 22:04:03 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> puked:
(Igtheist) writes:
lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message news:<ktrjk0p5eafppbikg13i13jd8q3hutl3hv@4ax.com>...
On 16 Sep 2004 13:06:59 -0700,
(Igtheist) puked:
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. - The late, great
stoner Carl Sagan...
So you disagree with my sarcasm or you didn't get it? I saw that at
a blog and thought it was funny. Perhaps ProtestWarrior.com should
add it to their collection of signs:
http://protestwarrior.com/signs.php?thumb=1
Anyone else find it funny that a rightwing website has a poster
slamming France right next to a picture of the Statue of Liberty?
What morons.
A logical extension would be to blame France for all the stupid
immigrants fucking up our country...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
20 Sep 2004 05:45:39 PM |
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lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message news:<h0itk0tphc0qrhdldkroci7mocjn13f0l8@4ax.com>...
On 17 Sep 2004 22:04:03 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> puked:
(Igtheist) writes:
lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message news:<ktrjk0p5eafppbikg13i13jd8q3hutl3hv@4ax.com>...
On 16 Sep 2004 13:06:59 -0700,
(Igtheist) puked:
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. - The late, great
stoner Carl Sagan...
So you disagree with my sarcasm or you didn't get it? I saw that at
a blog and thought it was funny. Perhaps ProtestWarrior.com should
add it to their collection of signs:
http://protestwarrior.com/signs.php?thumb=1
Anyone else find it funny that a rightwing website has a poster
slamming France right next to a picture of the Statue of Liberty?
What morons.
A logical extension would be to blame France
Since he left out that the Americans provided much of the funding, so
as a strict analogy to his statement, you are right.
Standing on it's own, however, the French cannot be blamed, because
the French didn't provide the poem either.
for all the stupid immigrants fucking up our country...
The stupid ones aren't a problem. They just end up mowing my lawn.
It's the smart ones that figure out how to get on welfare, become tax
free "christian ministers", vote illegally, and run for office that
are the problem.
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| User: "lab~rat" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
21 Sep 2004 07:42:24 AM |
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On 20 Sep 2004 15:45:39 -0700,
(Igtheist) puked:
lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message news:<h0itk0tphc0qrhdldkroci7mocjn13f0l8@4ax.com>...
On 17 Sep 2004 22:04:03 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> puked:
(Igtheist) writes:
lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote in message news:<ktrjk0p5eafppbikg13i13jd8q3hutl3hv@4ax.com>...
On 16 Sep 2004 13:06:59 -0700,
(Igtheist) puked:
Absence of proof is proof of absence. ;)
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. - The late, great
stoner Carl Sagan...
So you disagree with my sarcasm or you didn't get it? I saw that at
a blog and thought it was funny. Perhaps ProtestWarrior.com should
add it to their collection of signs:
http://protestwarrior.com/signs.php?thumb=1
Anyone else find it funny that a rightwing website has a poster
slamming France right next to a picture of the Statue of Liberty?
What morons.
A logical extension would be to blame France
Since he left out that the Americans provided much of the funding, so
as a strict analogy to his statement, you are right.
Standing on it's own, however, the French cannot be blamed, because
the French didn't provide the poem either.
for all the stupid immigrants fucking up our country...
The stupid ones aren't a problem. They just end up mowing my lawn.
Those might be the illegal ones. You might want to check their
papers. OTOH, maybe not...
It's the smart ones that figure out how to get on welfare, become tax
free "christian ministers", vote illegally, and run for office that
are the problem.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Norma Bates" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
21 Sep 2004 12:58:34 PM |
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The hot rumor in New York political circles has Roger Stone, the
longtime GOP activist, as the source for Dan Rather's dubious Texas
Air National Guard "memos."
The irony would be delicious, since Rather became famous confronting
President Nixon, in whose service a very young Stone became associated
with political "dirty tricks."
Reached at his Florida home, Stone had no comment.
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| User: "kuff \Isaac Adams" |
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| Title: Re: CBS Stands By Bush-Guard Memos |
21 Sep 2004 01:34:23 PM |
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"Norma Bates" <normabates@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5tq0l0d73huj2ribqalplueaaebqkv7c8i@4ax.com...
The hot rumor in New York political circles has Roger Stone, the
longtime GOP activist, as the source for Dan Rather's dubious Texas
Air National Guard "memos."
The irony would be delicious, since Rather became famous confronting
President Nixon, in whose service a very young Stone became associated
with political "dirty tricks."
"Revenge is a dish best served cold."
Reached at his Florida home, Stone had no comment.
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