Don't you love sport?
"Jude Alexander" <Jude_ Alexander@LA.USA> wrote in message
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Good response, AND you nailed the guy's projected negativity right on the
nail. It is more than highly probably that the ban on having sex with
someone of the same gender was strictly that sex was seen as a procreation
process and sex not in this context was seen as completely recreational. Of
course, NO heterosexual EVER engaging in recreational sex, huh? ;)
"Charles Griswold" <charlesgriswold@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Well then, what *is* that multi-page spew that gets appended to so many
of your posts.
Heh. It's amazing. You can find my website and post information about
me, but you can't even argue coherently. It's like my mom said, "Never
have a battle of wits with an unarmed man." Well, goodbye, because I'm
not playing your game anymore. Have a nice life.
"Charles Griswold" <charlesgriswold@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Dolf Boek wrote: a bunch of stuff
D'oh! It looks like I got dolfed again.
Goodbye, Dolf!
"Charles Griswold" <charlesgriswold@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Oops! I guess I'm going to have to be more careful about that in the
future. From now on, it's strictly missionary position for procreation
only, and I will make sure that under *no circumstances* will I ever
have fun in bed. Having fun in bed is a slippery slope leading to
homosexuality, incest, bestiality, wanton depravity, and possibly even
(gasp!) becoming a Democrat!
I wouldn't want *that* to happen. I would have to give up my NRA membership.
DOLF:
"Judaism does not deny the existence of individuals with the most extreme
psychological disorders, but it does assert that one need not be "sick" to
carry out the most brutal and hideous of crimes. Adolf Hitler, Adolf
Eichmann and the thousands of doctors, professors, farmers, teachers,
barbers, receptionists, retailers, lawyers, mechanics, entrepreneurs and
secretaries who made soap, lamp shades, coat stuffing and ashes out of Jews
were not sick! They were just plain evil.
The gragger in the hand of a child on Purim is there to remind us how to
relate to evil. Like Amalek, it must be erased. Not by labeling it as sick
and psychoanalyzing it into oblivion, but by calling it what it is - evil -
and dealing with it as bluntly as it would deal with us." [Courtesy and
Copyright Rabbi Shimon Apisdorf, Project Genesis <http://www.torah.org >
Excerpted from the book, "The One Hour Purim Primer." Published by Leviathan
Press - <http://www.LeviathanPress.com> ]
If one considers that according to the German Philosopher Kant, that the
notion of 'heterosexual' within the 4 Nuremberg Laws is a CATEGORICAL
IMPERATIVE {ie. The Nazi party denounced homosexuality as detrimental to
natural population growth, and harmful to the nation's strength and family
life. [Ref: © 1997, The Simon Wiesenthal Center]: "Before God and on the
Holy Gospels I swear and promise as becomes a bishop, loyalty to the German
Reich and to the State of . . . I swear and promise to honor the legally
constituted Government and to cause the clergy of my diocese to honor it. In
the performance of my spiritual office and in my solicitude for the welfare
and the interests of the German Reich, I will endeavor to avoid all
detrimental acts which might endanger it." [Article 16 proscribing an
eclessiastical oath -- Concordat Between the Holy See & the German Reich
July 20, 1933]
Following such Concordat, there was in 30 June 1934, a Party Purge as the
'Nacht der Langen Messer (Night of the Long Knives)'
THUS WE MAY SEE THAT ROMAN CATHOLIC ATTITUDES TOWARDS HOMOSEXUALITY AS
'DETRIMENTAL TO FAMILY LIFE' IS IDENTICAL TO THE CLAIM TO PIETY AS
PRESCRIBED IN THE CONCORDANT BETWEEN THE PAPACY AND THE GERMAN REICH.
} expressing an unnecessary repetition of an idea, especially in the other
words 'marry/intercourse' are included within the immediate context, which
fails to impart any additional force or clearness. In that, as a categorical
imperative, it already conveys a notion of self preservation, integrity,
civility and decency as a logical proposition, and can therefore be shown
that the conceptualisation of State or Commonwealth, already includes such a
possibility.
Adolf Hitler's 4 Nuremberg Laws were 'the first draft of the death warrant
that led to the demise of one-third of world Jewry, these laws determined
who would live and who would die.'
- ENDED THE RIGHT OF JEWS TO MARRY FREELY
(YANG/FATHER - Formula of Universal Law as Sovereignty: #1 - Nature contains
Nature {#4 - Nature amended in its Nature}) says: "Act as if the maxim of
thy action were to become by thy will a universal law of nature."
- ENDED THE RIGHT OF JEWS TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE FREELY
(YIN/MOTHER - Formula of Humanity as Head of State: #2 - Nature rejoices in
its Nature {#5 - Act of Nature}) says: "Act that you use humanity, whether
in your own person or in the person of any other, always at the same time as
an end, never merely as a means."
- ENDED THE RIGHT OF JEWS TO EMPLOY OR BE EMPLOYED FREELY
(ZHUN/SON - Formula of Autonomy as Individual: #3 - Nature surmounts Nature
{#6 - Form of Nature}) is a synthesis of the first two. It says that we
should so act that we may think of ourselves as legislating universal laws
through our maxims, in a possible Kingdom of Ends. We may think of ourselves
as such autonomous legislators only insofar as we follow our own laws.
- ENDED THE RIGHT OF JEWS TO DISPLAY/SERVE THE NATION'S FLAG FREELY
(ONE - Formula of Progression: #4 - Nature amended in its Nature {#7 -
Engendering Nature}) as a progressive adaptation within its sphere of
operation.
I find a disparity between the words of Jesus [Matthew 22:35-46] and those
advanced by Charles Griswold--Evidently he doesn't conform to the two
Categorical Imperatives concerning the Gospel, Law and the Prophets.
The following statement is a lie: "I just read the Bible and try to live by
what it says" ["Charles Griswold" <charlesgriswold@gmail.com> ]
"Of course Adventists believe that they're right and everyone else is wrong
(or at least less right than the Adventists). Who would belong to a church
that they thought was wrong?
Honestly, if I thought that the Baptists had it completely together and that
Adventist doctrine was a bunch of horse hockey, I'd be a Baptist, not an
Adventist. :-)" ["Charles Griswold" <charlesgriswold@gmail.com> ]
Nous Entry: # 8
Tao: Worth of Water/ Easy By Nature
I-Ching Hex: 48 - Well
Tetragram: 40 - Law/Model
Torah Angel: 6 40 2 % 81 = #48
Time : 20:00:00 (24 hours)
Date : 21/01/2006 to 25/01/2006
#16 - Being a Guide/ Returning to the Root
#57 - Laissez Faire Politics/ Simplicity In Habits
#49 - Sage's Constancy/ Trust in Virtue
#40 - Reversal/ Avoiding Activity
#57 - Laissez Faire Politics/ Simplicity In Habits
#38 - Consequences for Virtuosity/ Discourse of Virtue
#74 - Controlling Feelings/ Overcome Delusion
#51 - Natural Guides and Natural Virtuosity/ Nursing Virtue
#8 * Worth of Water/ Easy By Nature
Actually aren't you a Baptist engaging in false piety as false witness?
And also try avoiding dehumanising others: "Dolf replies to everything with
nearly identical canned messages. I think that he's a spambot."
Your reply is perhaps evidence of a total lack of sincerity--as I don't
generally have a signature: "Sorry, my mistake, but it's an easy mistake to
make. You just have an excessively long sig." ["Charles Griswold"
<charlesgriswold@gmail.com> ]
A comment needs to be made, as to the purpose, function and differences
between the traditional DAOIST/TORAH (Pythagorean) A-U-M worldview of the
religious/political Mysteries associated to both the Tetragrammation of
Number (Sephirot) obtained from yarrow sticks/stones {ie. According to Yang
Hsiung's (53 BCE to 18 CE) tetragram system, each four-line glyph has 3
possibilities {ie. 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 = #81} whose component parts are read from
top to bottom, comprising either:
(3) an unbroken line correlated to YANG/FATHER {+ 0, 27, 54};
(9) a line broken once representing YIN/MOTHER {+ 0, 9, 18}; and
(27) a line broken twice symbolising ZHUN/SON {+ 0, 3, 6}
(81) as its culturing as that which organises {ie. within its sphere/ONE
within FAMILY: + 0, 81, 9(9²+1)/2 = #369} the myriad of individual phenomena
(WAN WU): + 1, 2, 3} = Tetragrammation hierarchy value.
"The Mystery gives birth to two divine images. The two divine images give
birth to the spherical [universe]. The cosmic sphere gives birth to Three
Models [of Heaven-Earth-Man]. The Three Models give birth to the Nine
Positions. The Mystery in having the model 'One' {ie. YANG/FATHER {+ 0, 27 -
Paradoxes of the Greatest Skill/ Function of Skill, 54 - Culturing
Perspectives/ Cultivation of Intuition}} attains to Heaven. Therefore, we
say of it that it 'has Heaven [in it].' The Mystery in having the model
'Two' {ie. YIN/MOTHER {+ 0, 9 - Inconstancy of Achievement/ Practising
Placidity, 18 - Origin of Ethical Concepts/ Palliation of Vulgarity}}
attains to Earth. Therefore, we say of it that it 'has Earth [in it]'. The
Mystery in having the model 'Three' {ie. ZHUN/SON {+ 0, 3 - Prescriptions
for Politics/ Keeping the People Quiet, 6 - Superiority of the Female/
Completion of Form}} attains to Man. Therefore, we say of it that it 'has
Man [in it]'.
The sage investigates changes in the moon's appearance and location, as well
as departures from its orbit {ie. The term TS'E NI means 'to lose the
regular course' where for every 19 years there must be 7 intercalary months
(Heaven's Compensation) and presumably may include irregularities such as
eclipses:
"Heaven and Earth face each other. Sun and moon are in conjunction. Mountain
and valley flow into one another. Light and heavy float on one another. Yin
and Yang succeed one another. High and low rank do not defile one another."
}. He only finds a norm in the constant sequence of sun and moon, and in the
order of male and female. He makes them the canonical model for all
eternity. Therefore, the Mystery in grand fashion comprises Heaven's
Origins, binding and securing it to what is to come.
The Mystery works with multiples of six and nine. The divining stalks use
three times six (ie. 18). The Priniciples of Heaven and Earth uses two times
nine (also = 18). The Mystery certainly does use eighteen as a base then!
The Grand Accumulation Sum begins with 18 - 'Origin of Ethical Concepts/
Palliation of Vulgarity' divining stalks and ends with 54 - 'Culturing
Perspectives/ Cultivation of Intuition'. If we add the numbers that
correspond to the beginning and end of the stalks, 18 + 54 = #72 -
'Self-Love/ Holding Oneself Dear', we halve it to make the Grand Centre {=
36 - Natural Reversals/ 'Secret' Explanation; Tallying the vertical axis
produces:
#1 - To Guide with Names/ Reason's Realisation,
Categorical Imperative: (#27 - Paradoxes of the Greatest Skill/ Function of
Skill + #9 - Inconstancy of Achievement/ Practising Placidity + #3 -
Prescriptions for Politics/ Keeping the People Quiet + #2 - Contrast of
Terms/ Self-Culture) = #41 - Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference
(Septet form 9(9²+1)/2 = #369 as Centre = 13 to 17 September; with New Moon
18 September 2001 = 1 Tishri 5762 as 122J3W2D) ,
Categorical Imperative: (#54 - Culturing Perspectives/ Cultivation of
Intuition + #18 - Origin of Ethical Concepts/ Palliation of Vulgarity + #6 -
Superiority of the Female/ Completion of Form + #3 - Prescriptions for
Politics/ Keeping the People Quiet) = #81 - Making the Essence Clear/
Propounding the Essential
It is these two imperatives, which both the Torah [Deuteronomy 6:5;
Leviticus 19:18] and Jesus of Nazareth affirm are the essential substance of
the Law and the Prophets: "Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment
in the law? Jesus {He is saved; a deliverer; a saviour} said unto him, Thou
shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and
with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second
is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two
commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
While the Pharisees {ie. within the contemporaneous Dead Sea Scrolls as
Flattery Seekers} were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What
think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David
{well beloved; dear}. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call
him Lord, saying, The LORD-YHWH said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right
hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord,
how is he his son? And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst
any man from that day forth ask him any more questions." [Matthew 22:35-46]
(KJV circa 1611 CE)
- dolf
- <http://home.iprimus.com.au/telos/>
"Charles Griswold" <charlesgriswold@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Lee wrote:
Charles - re the end of time .................. er, I used
"preferential treatment", but check what EGW and the church say about
"the mark of the beast",
'the last days", and the 144,000............................ LEe
Oh, OK. *shrug* I never really got into all that stuff. Elaborate
interpretations of scripture don't interest me; I just read the Bible
and try to live by what it says. If there's something that I need to
understand, God will make it clear to me, otherwise I don't worry about it.
Hold on a sec. . .
OK, I found a website that seems to explain the concept.
http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/documents/144,000greatmultitude.htm
Huh. It seems like they're reading an awful lot into a couple of
references. Oh, well. Like I said, if the Bible doesn't make it crystal
clear, it's probably not really that imporant.
DOLF:
Also given my previous theological proof concerning the nature of the
Godhead and the celestial hierarchy, the following statement by you is
erroneous: "The whole anti-homosexuality thing is fueled by the Bible. You
can't really argue the issue without referencing religion and the Bible.
Leviticus says lots of things, many of which don't really apply these days
(how many people actually need to know how to dig a latrine trench) or are
totally disregarded by the majority of Christians (like the bits about not
eating pork).
My personal belief is that homosexual isn't bad just because the Bible says
so. I believe that the Bible says that homosexuality is bad because it is
physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually unhealthy. And before
anyone asks (or accuses), no, I don't hate, or even dislike, homosexuals. "
[Charles Griswold, Mon, Mar 13 2006 5:39 am]
The Bible (apart from your interpretation of it) makes no statement that
"that homosexuality is bad because it is physically, mentally, emotionally,
and spiritually unhealthy." And that it is perfectly approproate to assert
you are engaged in irrational "hate, or even dislike, homosexuals."
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