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"= Vox Populi ©" |
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08 Apr 2004 12:51:12 PM |
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=> Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado ...! <= |
Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- Gov. Bill Owens and Mayor Lionel Rivera
declined to extend an official welcome to the Atheist Alliance for its national
convention this weekend, and attendees said they felt slighted.
Rivera said he thinks the group's request for a letter of welcome was the only
one he had turned down in his 11 months in office. Terry Sullivan of the
Colorado Springs Convention and Visitors Bureau said the governor rarely
declines requests for welcome letters.
Rivera said he refused to offer a letter of welcome in part because the group
scheduled its convention during Easter and just days after Passover.
"Anybody in the United States is welcome to express their beliefs and opinions,"
Rivera said. "I just think it's bad timing."
Owens spokeswoman Kristen Hubbell said welcome letters are not granted
automatically.
"Just because an organization sends in a request to have a letter from the
governor, that doesn't mean a governor has to endorse a particular
organization," she said.
Rebecca Hale, a member of Freethinkers of Colorado Springs, which is affiliated
with the alliance, said she was offended by the politicians' decisions.
"I'm disappointed that the state of Colorado has this kind of leadership that is
looking to exclude people," Hale said.
The group describes itself as an organization of independent religion-free
groups and individuals that aims to help development of democratic, atheistic
societies and promote education on secular issues.
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"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
~ George Bush Jr. 2001-09-13
"I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
It's not that important. It's not our priority."
~ George Bush Jr. 2002-03-13
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16 Apr 2004 08:24:23 AM |
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"=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li> wrote in message news:<uggdc.97$RR1.24948@news.uswest.net>...
Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- Gov. Bill Owens and Mayor Lionel Rivera
declined to extend an official welcome to the Atheist Alliance for its national
convention this weekend, and attendees said they felt slighted.
God watches over us and keeps us safe in Colorado from those dangerous
communist atheists.
Except for sporadic coverage around Littleton, for some reason.
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19 Apr 2004 08:12:25 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:24:23 -0700, lanny budd wrote:
"=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li> wrote in message
news:<uggdc.97$RR1.24948@news.uswest.net>...
Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- Gov. Bill Owens and Mayor Lionel
Rivera declined to extend an official welcome to the Atheist Alliance
for its national convention this weekend, and attendees said they felt
slighted.
God watches over us and keeps us safe in Colorado from those dangerous
communist atheists.
Except for sporadic coverage around Littleton, for some reason.
It looks like Colorado tourism is outsourced to a .com site. One might
like to mention that Colorado doesn't seem like a friendly place to
vacation by dropping by:
http://www.colorado.com/help/contact.asp
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| User: "Lord Samuel dont@tread on me" |
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19 Apr 2004 06:54:29 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:12:25 -0500, SMChristenson <smchris@visi.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:24:23 -0700, lanny budd wrote:
"=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li> wrote in message
news:<uggdc.97$RR1.24948@news.uswest.net>...
Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- Gov. Bill Owens and Mayor Lionel
Rivera declined to extend an official welcome to the Atheist Alliance
for its national convention this weekend, and attendees said they felt
slighted.
God watches over us and keeps us safe in Colorado from those dangerous
communist atheists.
Except for sporadic coverage around Littleton, for some reason.
It looks like Colorado tourism is outsourced to a .com site. One might
like to mention that Colorado doesn't seem like a friendly place to
vacation by dropping by:
http://www.colorado.com/help/contact.asp
Shoot tell *everyone* how much we suck, I could use less crowded
fishing this summer.
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| User: "= Vox Populi ©" |
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19 Apr 2004 09:06:56 PM |
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Lord Samuel wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:12:25 -0500, SMChristenson <smchris@visi.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:24:23 -0700, lanny budd wrote:
"=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li> wrote in message
news:<uggdc.97$RR1.24948@news.uswest.net>...
Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- Gov. Bill Owens and Mayor Lionel
Rivera declined to extend an official welcome to the Atheist
Alliance for its national convention this weekend, and attendees
said they felt slighted.
God watches over us and keeps us safe in Colorado from those
dangerous communist atheists.
Except for sporadic coverage around Littleton, for some reason.
It looks like Colorado tourism is outsourced to a .com site. One
might like to mention that Colorado doesn't seem like a friendly
place to vacation by dropping by:
http://www.colorado.com/help/contact.asp
Shoot tell *everyone* how much we suck, I could use less crowded
fishing this summer.
Well there are 700+ fewer U$ Troops/National Guardsmen, many from
Colorado who have been slaughtered for your neo-con lies and
won't be fishing in Colorado this summer ... you scumsucking
fascist coward.
--
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
~ George Bush Jr. 2001-09-13
"I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea and I really
don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
~ George Bush Jr. 2002-03-13
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| User: "Lord Samuel dont@tread on me" |
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20 Apr 2004 12:18:17 AM |
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:06:56 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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Lord Samuel wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:12:25 -0500, SMChristenson <smchris@visi.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:24:23 -0700, lanny budd wrote:
"=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li> wrote in message
news:<uggdc.97$RR1.24948@news.uswest.net>...
Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- Gov. Bill Owens and Mayor Lionel
Rivera declined to extend an official welcome to the Atheist
Alliance for its national convention this weekend, and attendees
said they felt slighted.
God watches over us and keeps us safe in Colorado from those
dangerous communist atheists.
Except for sporadic coverage around Littleton, for some reason.
It looks like Colorado tourism is outsourced to a .com site. One
might like to mention that Colorado doesn't seem like a friendly
place to vacation by dropping by:
http://www.colorado.com/help/contact.asp
Shoot tell *everyone* how much we suck, I could use less crowded
fishing this summer.
Well there are 700+ fewer U$ Troops/National Guardsmen, many from
Colorado who have been slaughtered for your neo-con lies and
won't be fishing in Colorado this summer ... you scumsucking
fascist coward.
Go back to euro-land poxie, you're a blight on America.
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| User: "Theodore A. Kaldis" |
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14 Apr 2004 09:42:22 PM |
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"Vox Populi" wrote:
Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado
And what makes those demented malcontents think that they should be welcomed?
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- Gov. Bill Owens and Mayor Lionel Rivera
declined to extend an official welcome to the Atheist Alliance for its
national convention this weekend,
Good on the governor and the mayor, then!
and attendees said they felt slighted.
My heart bleeds.
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Theodore A. Kaldis
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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15 Apr 2004 01:37:58 AM |
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"Theodore A. Kaldis" <kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:407DF68E.17E02F5A@worldnet.att.net...
"Vox Populi" wrote:
Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado
And what makes those demented malcontents think that they should be
welcomed?
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- Gov. Bill Owens and Mayor Lionel
Rivera
declined to extend an official welcome to the Atheist Alliance for its
national convention this weekend,
Good on the governor and the mayor, then!
and attendees said they felt slighted.
My heart bleeds.
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Theodore A. Kaldis
kaldis@worldnet.att.net
Your bigoted reaction was expected. For your information,
the bigotry of the governor and mayor was noted by several
newspapers who sent reporters who wrote nice articles about
the conference. Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the
conference on his own to welcome the attendees, since he
felt that the way they were treated was wrong and that they were
entitled to freedom of speech like everyone else in the US.
Sorry to disappont you, Ted (NOT!), but not everyone is a
bigot like you.
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alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list name collector
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| User: "Chas" |
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15 Apr 2004 07:41:30 AM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote
,,,,,Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the
conference on his own to welcome the attendees,]
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in your town?
How about the American Islamofascist Party?
Just because one would defend their 1st Amend. rights doesn't mean one has
to welcome them as if one approved of their degeneracy- simple tolerance is
more than enough involvement with them.
Chas
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| User: "= Vox Populi ©" |
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16 Apr 2004 01:09:04 AM |
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Chas wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote
,,,,,Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the
conference on his own to welcome the attendees,]
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in
your town?
Would you send your young children off to day care run by Catholic Priests?
How about the American Islamofascist Party?
How about the "Northern Alliance"?
Just because one would defend their 1st Amend. rights doesn't mean
one has to welcome them as if one approved of their degeneracy-
Which is why we can and should ***** upon Holey Babble thumpin'
xtians like you.
simple tolerance is more than enough involvement with them.
"We must respect the other fellow's religion,
but only in the sense and to the extent that
we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful
and his children smart."
- H.L. Mencken
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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15 Apr 2004 01:00:19 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:41:30 -0600, "Chas"
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote
,,,,,Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the
conference on his own to welcome the attendees,]
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in your town?
How about the American Islamofascist Party?
Why do you equate these with atheists? Is it because you are a
thoroughly nasty individual?
Just because one would defend their 1st Amend. rights doesn't mean one has
to welcome them as if one approved of their degeneracy- simple tolerance is
more than enough involvement with them.
What "degeneracy" would that be, liar?
Chas
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| User: "Lord Samuel dont@tread on me" |
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15 Apr 2004 05:30:19 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:00:19 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
Is it because you are a
thoroughly nasty individual?
Chas???
You must not have read him many times.
I can't think of anyone who would arrive at that spurious conclusion
who had.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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15 Apr 2004 03:26:46 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:41:30 -0600, Chas wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote
,,,,,Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the conference on his own to
welcome the attendees,]
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in your
town? How about the American Islamofascist Party? Just because one would
defend their 1st Amend. rights doesn't mean one has to welcome them as if
one approved of their degeneracy- simple tolerance is more than enough
involvement with them.
Chas
If I had to chose one aspect of Christianity that was most contemptible,
it would be the attitude that non-Xtians are inherently inferior. Anyone
who believes that faith trumps reason should be pithed.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Chas" |
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15 Apr 2004 03:43:06 PM |
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote
If I had to chose one aspect of Christianity that was most contemptible,
it would be the attitude that non-Xtians are inherently inferior.
As contrasted to your own fairminded tolerance and acceptance of
contravening beliefs?
how droll.
Chas
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| User: "MarkA" |
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16 Apr 2004 06:18:06 AM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:43:06 -0600, Chas wrote:
"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote
If I had to chose one aspect of Christianity that was most contemptible,
it would be the attitude that non-Xtians are inherently inferior.
As contrasted to your own fairminded tolerance and acceptance of
contravening beliefs?
how droll.
Chas
Yes, exactly! You're not as stupid as you pretend to be.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Lord Samuel dont@tread on me" |
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15 Apr 2004 03:51:42 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:26:46 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
Anyone
who believes that faith trumps reason should be pithed.
I'll pass that on to Mother Theresa...
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| User: "freethinker" |
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15 Apr 2004 08:50:41 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:26:46 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:41:30 -0600, Chas wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote
,,,,,Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the conference on his own to
welcome the attendees,]
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in your
town? How about the American Islamofascist Party? Just because one would
defend their 1st Amend. rights doesn't mean one has to welcome them as if
one approved of their degeneracy- simple tolerance is more than enough
involvement with them.
Chas
If I had to chose one aspect of Christianity that was most contemptible,
it would be the attitude that non-Xtians are inherently inferior. Anyone
who believes that faith trumps reason should be pithed.
:>) How do you pith some one :>)?
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| User: "Chas" |
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15 Apr 2004 08:51:30 PM |
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"freethinker" <Freethinker@utopia.com> wrote
:>) How do you pith some one :>)?
Cork'em a good one.
Chas
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| User: "Ken Smith" |
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15 Apr 2004 08:08:17 AM |
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Chas wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote
,,,,,Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the
conference on his own to welcome the attendees,]
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in your town?
How about the American Islamofascist Party?
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. That's what the First Amendment
is *supposed* to be about: protections extending not only to the speech
you like, but the speech you loathe. And here, I thought you (in stark
contrast to Ted Kaldis) understood that.
Just because one would defend their 1st Amend. rights doesn't mean one has
to welcome them as if one approved of their degeneracy- simple tolerance is
more than enough involvement with them.
I'm having a little trouble with your equation between NAMBLA and an
otherwise innocuous group of atheists. It starts with trivial slights
such as refusing to extending official welcomes, and denying otherwise
deserving people law licenses, but invariably ends with dehumanization
of the untermenschen. It happened in Christian Germany -- which Osama
and his band cannot reasonably hope to outdo. And it will happen here
if we as a people meekly consent to it.
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Carter's Crusade
Jimmy Carter explains how the Christian right isn't Christian at all.
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=7572
[pertinent excerpt follows]
There is an element of fundamentalism involved, which involves the
belief on the part of a human being that [his or her] own concept of God
is the proper one. And since [he or she has] the proper concept of God,
[he or she is] particularly blessed and singled out for special
consideration above and beyond those who disagree with [him or her].
Secondly, anyone who does disagree with [him or her], since [he or she
is] harnessed to God in a unique way, then, by definition, must be
wrong. And the second step is if you are in disagreement with [his or
her] concept of the way to worship, even among the Christian community,
is that you are inferior to [him or her]. And then the ultimate
progression of that is that you’re not only different and wrong and
inferior but in some ways you are subhuman. So there’s a loss of concern
even for the death of those who disagree. And this takes fundamentalism
to the extreme. This is an element of the fundamentalist cause in this
country. If you are a wealthy white man, then you are naturally inclined
to think that the poor are inferior and don’t deserve your first
consideration. If you are a wealthy white man, then you also take on the
proposition that women are inherently inferior. This builds up a sense
of prejudice and alienation that permeates the Christian right during
these days.
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| User: "Chas" |
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15 Apr 2004 08:36:38 AM |
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"Ken Smith" <forget@it.com> wrote
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in your
town?
How about the American Islamofascist Party?
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. That's what the First Amendment
is *supposed* to be about: protections extending not only to the speech
you like, but the speech you loathe. And here, I thought you (in stark
contrast to Ted Kaldis) understood that.
No one censored their speech; all the protections are in place. They weren't
denied lodging, accommodations, a public forum or anything else that would
tend to stifle their political position.
The governor declined to take a position, officially, about a religious
question. Atheists are a religious group, in that their entire position is a
spiritual matter. He doesn't show up when the Southern Baptists come to town
either. Or people on either side of the abortion question.
While we are honor bound to tolerate them, none of us are required to make
them welcome. They've either got a viable position on their own, or they
don't.
I'm having a little trouble with your equation between NAMBLA and an
otherwise innocuous group of atheists.
One is limited in comparisons of degenerate social positions- he doesn't
welcome the flat earthers either, or the Spanish Inquisition.
It starts with trivial slights
such as refusing to extending official welcomes, and denying otherwise
deserving people law licenses, but invariably ends with dehumanization
of the untermenschen.
I have no trouble with degenerates getting law licenses- seems a requirement
to me, and I don't know why they denied it you.
It happened in Christian Germany -- which Osama
and his band cannot reasonably hope to outdo. And it will happen here
if we as a people meekly consent to it.
Hitler was a pagan- the stated purpose was to wipe all vestiges of
Christianity from German soil. There were more Christians killed in the
Holocaust than any other group. It is easier to get shot or burned out by
the present government as a Christian than any other domestic group in the
US.
You do seem to have all the qualifications for a lawyer, Ken; I think they
deserve you.
Bonne chance.
Chas
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16 Apr 2004 01:15:43 AM |
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Chas wrote:
"Ken Smith" <forget@it.com> wrote
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in
your town? How about the American Islamofascist Party?
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. That's what the First
Amendment is *supposed* to be about: protections extending not only
to the speech you like, but the speech you loathe. And here, I
thought you (in stark contrast to Ted Kaldis) understood that.
No one censored their speech; all the protections are in place. They
weren't denied lodging, accommodations, a public forum or anything
else that would tend to stifle their political position.
The governor declined to take a position, officially, about a
religious question. Atheists are a religious group, in that their
entire position is a spiritual matter. He doesn't show up when the
Southern Baptists come to town either. Or people on either side of
the abortion question.
While we are honor bound to tolerate them, none of us are required to
make them welcome. They've either got a viable position on their own,
or they don't.
I'm having a little trouble with your equation between NAMBLA and
an otherwise innocuous group of atheists.
One is limited in comparisons of degenerate social positions- he
doesn't welcome the flat earthers either, or the Spanish Inquisition.
It starts with trivial slights
such as refusing to extending official welcomes, and denying
otherwise deserving people law licenses, but invariably ends with
dehumanization
of the untermenschen.
I have no trouble with degenerates getting law licenses- seems a
requirement to me, and I don't know why they denied it you.
It happened in Christian Germany -- which Osama
and his band cannot reasonably hope to outdo. And it will happen
here
if we as a people meekly consent to it.
Hitler was a pagan- the stated purpose was to wipe all vestiges of
Christianity from German soil.
Here's your pal Adolf in his own words you pathetic liar:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the
work of the Lord."
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It
points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers,
recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them
and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."
"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have
therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not
merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out".
"For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the
National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in
the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against
atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness
of a community in our national life".
There were more Christians killed in
the Holocaust than any other group.
You really are a pathetic liar Chas, a grotesque excuse for a human
being.
Now tell us again how all 20,000,000 Soviets killed in WW2 were "christians"
....?
It is easier to get shot or
burned out by the present government as a Christian than any other
domestic group in the US.
You do seem to have all the qualifications for a lawyer, Ken; I think
they deserve you.
Bonne chance.
Chas
--
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
~ George Bush Jr. 2001-09-13
"I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea and I really
don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
~ George Bush Jr. 2002-03-13
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| User: "Theodore A. Kaldis" |
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15 Apr 2004 09:45:36 AM |
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Ken Smith wrote:
Chas wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the conference on his own to welcome
the attendees,]
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in your
town? How about the American Islamofascist Party?
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
Of course not. Ken doesn't have kids. (So who gives a toss about your
little brats? It certainly doesn't seem that Ken does.)
That's what the First Amendment is *supposed* to be about: protections
extending not only to the speech you like, but the speech you loathe. And
here, I thought you (in stark contrast to Ted Kaldis) understood that.
Innuendo. When has Ted Kaldis ever tried to silence anyone?
Just because one would defend their 1st Amend. rights doesn't mean one has
to welcome them as if one approved of their degeneracy- simple tolerance
is more than enough involvement with them.
Hear hear!
I'm having a little trouble with your equation between NAMBLA and an
otherwise innocuous group of atheists.
I wouldn't exactly call atheists "inocuous". When I was in 4th grade, we
used to start each school day with a word of prayer. Until some old windbag
from Texas put a stop to it. I call that interfering with MY 1st Amendment
rights.
It starts with trivial slights such as refusing to extending official
welcomes,
I submit that those who have devoted themselves to tearing down those
institutions of society that provide it its stability aren't due any
"official" welcomes.
and denying otherwise deserving people law licenses,
So in your view, those who might potentially suffer from psychological
problems are nevertheless "deserving" of a law licence (assuming all other
qualifications have been fulfilled)?
but invariably ends with dehumanization of the untermenschen.
That's "üntermenschen" to you. And they already ARE subhuman -- that's what
the word means. Examples would be those who arrange to fly passenger-filled
jetliners into occupied skyscrapers, or who strap explosives to teenagers and
send them to blow themselves up in crowded buses, or at military checkpoints
crowded with civilians.
It happened in Christian Germany
NOMINALLY "Christian".
-- which Osama and his band cannot reasonably hope to outdo. And it will
happen here if we as a people meekly consent to it.
Consent to it? You and your lot are actively engaged in trying to make it
happen!
--
Theodore A. Kaldis
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
Chas wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the conference on his own to welcome
the attendees,]
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in your
town? How about the American Islamofascist Party?
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
Of course not. Ken doesn't have kids.
And neither do you (at least, not LEGITIMATE ones). But then again,
that does seem to run in your clan....
(So who gives a toss about your
little brats? It certainly doesn't seem that Ken does.)
So, who gives a toss about your right to give your children your
moral values? Certainly not Ted -- he's too intent upon installing HIS
values through the sledgehammer of government to respect your rights.
That's what the First Amendment is *supposed* to be about: protections
extending not only to the speech you like, but the speech you loathe. And
here, I thought you (in stark contrast to Ted Kaldis) understood that.
Innuendo. When has Ted Kaldis ever tried to silence anyone?
I never said that you did, you lying sack of adipose tissue. Rather,
I merely state here that you do not understand the First Amendment, and
what it is intended to do.
Just because one would defend their 1st Amend. rights doesn't mean one has
to welcome them as if one approved of their degeneracy- simple tolerance
is more than enough involvement with them.
Hear hear!
I'm having a little trouble with your equation between NAMBLA and an
otherwise innocuous group of atheists.
I wouldn't exactly call atheists "inocuous". When I was in 4th grade, we
used to start each school day with a word of prayer. Until some old windbag
from Texas put a stop to it. I call that interfering with MY 1st Amendment
rights.
Who *stopped you* from praying? You can do it in a brothel (and you
probably have). You can do it whilst stone drunk. And you could even
do it in a school, if you were ever so inclined. But if you were ever
in a situation where *our government* tried to stop you, I'd be one of
the best allies you could ask for.
What you *don't* have is the right to coerce captive and defenseless
children into participating in a religious exercise led by government.
Just try to imagine what it would be like to be a Christian in Iran --
and see if you can't see my point.
Again, it is obvious that you don't understand the First Amendment.
It starts with trivial slights such as refusing to extending official
welcomes,
I submit that those who have devoted themselves to tearing down those
institutions of society that provide it its stability aren't due any
"official" welcomes.
As we have seen in Iraq, a tyrant like Saddam provides "stability."
It should therefore comes a no surprise that American troops who have
torn down those institutions have been received with such hostility....
The only explanation for the Hate State's reception toward the
atheist community is religious bigotry -- of which right-wing
Evilgelicals have a virtually unlimited reservoir.
and denying otherwise deserving people law licenses,
So in your view, those who might potentially suffer from psychological
problems are nevertheless "deserving" of a law licence (assuming all other
qualifications have been fulfilled)?
Vague standards are offensive to the rule of law, as they place every
citizen at risk. Create a rational, comprehensible standard, and apply
it on a consistent basis, and you can lawfully impose it upon applicants
to any profession. And as a practical matter, you don't need to have an
elevated level of psychological stability to draft a will -- a computer
can do it.
but invariably ends with dehumanization of the untermenschen.
That's "üntermenschen" to you.
My software doesn't do accented characters. Just not worth the brain
damage -- which you obviously suffer in abundance.
And they already ARE subhuman -- that's what
the word means. Examples would be those who arrange to fly passenger-filled
jetliners into occupied skyscrapers, or who strap explosives to teenagers and
send them to blow themselves up in crowded buses, or at military checkpoints
crowded with civilians.
And many of Japan's best and brightest, who flew fighter planes into
aircraft carriers? See also, Guernica. Dresden. Commercial interests
are legitimate targets in war -- and Osama didn't invent the tactic of
targeting defenseless civilians. It's why war is to be avoided, where
practical.
It happened in Christian Germany
NOMINALLY "Christian".
"Nominally Christian" as in Theodore A. Kaldis, who practices a
buffet version of Christianity -- gorging himself on the hatred and
intolerance part, and debasing others like Jimmy Carter, who actually
*practice* the higher and better form of the religion?
President Carter embarrasses you, both as a man and as a Christian.
-- which Osama and his band cannot reasonably hope to outdo. And it will
happen here if we as a people meekly consent to it.
Consent to it? You and your lot are actively engaged in trying to make it
happen!
I am? We are? I am the one fighting tyranny, both in the Oval
Office and in our courtrooms. *YOU* are the one advocating servile consent.
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22 Apr 2004 10:54:11 PM |
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Ken Smith <forget@it.com> wrote in message news:<4087A895.6070507@it.com>...
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
Chas wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the conference on his own to welcome
the attendees,]
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in your
town? How about the American Islamofascist Party?
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
Of course not. Ken doesn't have kids.
And neither do you (at least, not LEGITIMATE ones). But then again,
that does seem to run in your clan....
(So who gives a toss about your
little brats? It certainly doesn't seem that Ken does.)
So, who gives a toss about your right to give your children your
moral values? Certainly not Ted -- he's too intent upon installing HIS
values through the sledgehammer of government to respect your rights.
That's what the First Amendment is *supposed* to be about: protections
extending not only to the speech you like, but the speech you loathe. And
here, I thought you (in stark contrast to Ted Kaldis) understood that.
Innuendo. When has Ted Kaldis ever tried to silence anyone?
I never said that you did, you lying sack of adipose tissue. Rather,
I merely state here that you do not understand the First Amendment, and
what it is intended to do.
Just because one would defend their 1st Amend. rights doesn't mean one has
to welcome them as if one approved of their degeneracy- simple tolerance
is more than enough involvement with them.
Hear hear!
I'm having a little trouble with your equation between NAMBLA and an
otherwise innocuous group of atheists.
I wouldn't exactly call atheists "inocuous". When I was in 4th grade, we
used to start each school day with a word of prayer. Until some old windbag
from Texas put a stop to it. I call that interfering with MY 1st Amendment
rights.
Who *stopped you* from praying? You can do it in a brothel (and you
probably have). You can do it whilst stone drunk. And you could even
do it in a school, if you were ever so inclined. But if you were ever
in a situation where *our government* tried to stop you, I'd be one of
the best allies you could ask for.
What you *don't* have is the right to coerce captive and defenseless
children into participating in a religious exercise led by government.
Just try to imagine what it would be like to be a Christian in Iran --
and see if you can't see my point.
Again, it is obvious that you don't understand the First Amendment.
It starts with trivial slights such as refusing to extending official
welcomes,
I submit that those who have devoted themselves to tearing down those
institutions of society that provide it its stability aren't due any
"official" welcomes.
As we have seen in Iraq, a tyrant like Saddam provides "stability."
It should therefore comes a no surprise that American troops who have
torn down those institutions have been received with such hostility....
The only explanation for the Hate State's reception toward the
atheist community is religious bigotry -- of which right-wing
Evilgelicals have a virtually unlimited reservoir.
and denying otherwise deserving people law licenses,
So in your view, those who might potentially suffer from psychological
problems are nevertheless "deserving" of a law licence (assuming all other
qualifications have been fulfilled)?
Vague standards are offensive to the rule of law, as they place every
citizen at risk. Create a rational, comprehensible standard, and apply
it on a consistent basis, and you can lawfully impose it upon applicants
to any profession. And as a practical matter, you don't need to have an
elevated level of psychological stability to draft a will -- a computer
can do it.
but invariably ends with dehumanization of the untermenschen.
That's "üntermenschen" to you.
My software doesn't do accented characters. Just not worth the brain
damage -- which you obviously suffer in abundance.
And they already ARE subhuman -- that's what
the word means. Examples would be those who arrange to fly passenger-filled
jetliners into occupied skyscrapers, or who strap explosives to teenagers and
send them to blow themselves up in crowded buses, or at military checkpoints
crowded with civilians.
And many of Japan's best and brightest, who flew fighter planes into
aircraft carriers? See also, Guernica. Dresden. Commercial interests
are legitimate targets in war -- and Osama didn't invent the tactic of
targeting defenseless civilians. It's why war is to be avoided, where
practical.
It happened in Christian Germany
NOMINALLY "Christian".
"Nominally Christian" as in Theodore A. Kaldis, who practices a
buffet version of Christianity -- gorging himself on the hatred and
intolerance part, and debasing others like Jimmy Carter, who actually
*practice* the higher and better form of the religion?
Are you implying that Theodore is stupid? Bro, if you can't see how
rude that is then take a course in etiquette! Most of the Christians
I see you are rude to knows their Bible enough to satisfy their needs.
They doesn't need to prove anything to you and they can use good
judgement when it comes to taking care of this ng. So I suggest you
pay attention to the and be happy.
And Ken, you know what your problem is? You're not a believer! Your
anti-Christian posts are offensive to all Christians. You make a wise
crack to the other poster here about suffering from excessive brain
damage. You should talk. I've read your some of your psudo-logical
arguments for proving that Jesus isn't alive. Are you on drugs or
alcohol? Let me share with you what the Bible has to say about drugs
and alcohol.
The Greek word for sorcery, pharmakeia (from which we get pharmacy)
always refers to drugs, which were commonly associated with false
religions. Sorcerers often used drugs to practice their magic arts;
What is the Bible's teaching about such use of drugs? Rev. 21:8
Here are some questions you might ask yourself: What do wine and
strong drink (beer) do to a person? Prov. 20:1
What are the results of drinking alcoholic beverages? Prov. 23:29-35
What will drunkards not inherit? 1 Cor. 6:9-10
What should Christians do instead of getting drunk? Eph. 5:18
And Ken, I came across this post by you that I can answer for you.
You said: "And how much of that ancient book-o'-blood can we
throw out as man-made myth and invention? Let's start
with the narrative leading up to the Crucifixion and the
Resurrection. Jesus must have had a busy morning on
that Friday: three trials, two public audiences, a spate
of torture sessions, and a mile-long hike with a 100-lb.
cross draped over his shoulder. And he got it all done
by 9 AM? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!"
As far as I know, you have this one wrong too Ken. This is what I come
up with for a timeline:
6pm-11:30pm
Thursday, April 14, 30 AD
Garden of Gethsemane - Jesus waits for his arrest
1:00am-1:30am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Confrontation in Garden and Jesus' Arrest
1:30am-3:00am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Trial 1: Annas, former Jewish High Priest for 16 years - Jesus
receives initial physical abuse
Trial 2: Current Jewish High Priest, Caiaphas, and the Sanhedrin Court
- Jesus bloodied by abuse
3:00am-5:00am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Imprisonment at Caiaphas' palace
5:00am-6:00am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Trial 3: All the Jewish elders, including the High Priest, scribes and
whole Sanhedrin. They decide to ask the Roman government to kill Jesus
6:00am-7:00am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Trial 4: Hearing before Roman governor Pilate, who declares, "I find
no guilt in this man."
7:00-7:30am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Trial 5: Hearing before Herod Antipas, the son of Herod the Great, who
had jurisdiction over Galilee. Jesus refused to answer any questions
so Herod returned him quickly to Pilate
7:30am-8:30am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Trial 6: Pilate repeatedly tried to release Jesus but the Jewish
leaders continued to object. Pilate physically tortured and beat Jesus
beyond recognition seeking to satisfy the Jewish leaders. However the
Jews demanded that Jesus be crucified. Pilate resisted but eventually
gave the order to execute Jesus
8:30am-9:00am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Pilate's Roman soldiers take Jesus into the court ("Praetorium") and
enjoy mockery and continued torture, including driving thorns into his
skull
9:00am-12:00noon
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Jesus forced to carry his own cross, then actual crucifixion
12:00 noon - 3:00pm
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Momentous final 3 hours on the cross.
3:00pm
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Death
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Burial
Sunday, April 17, 30 AD
"Resurrection" - 1st reported appearance of Jesus as alive after
execution
Ken says it was all done by 9:00AM. The Bible says it was all done
by 3:00PM
You can take that one to the lake of fire Ken. (unless you repent)
I am going to pray that Jesus gets your attention just like He did to
Saul on the road to Damascus. I am going to pray that God will do
whatever it takes to bring you to an understanding of your need for
salvation through Christ. I am going to pray that God will soften your
hardened heart towards Him. I am going to pray that you will never
forget these words:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
I'm going to pray that you understand that kind of love.
Yes Ken, I am going to pray for you.
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On 22 Apr 2004 20:54:11 -0700, (IamSaved55ac)
wrote:
Yes Ken, I am going to pray for you.
I believe I will as well.
He's not devoid of potential you know...
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IamSaved55ac wrote:
Ken Smith <forget@it.com> wrote in message news:<4087A895.6070507@it.com>...
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
Chas wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
[snip]
It happened in Christian Germany
NOMINALLY "Christian".
"Nominally Christian" as in Theodore A. Kaldis, who practices a
buffet version of Christianity -- gorging himself on the hatred and
intolerance part, and debasing others like Jimmy Carter, who actually
*practice* the higher and better form of the religion?
Are you implying that Theodore is stupid?
No, just a mentally and emotionally disturbed religious crackpot. He
reveals his stupidity sua sponte.
The only people who will come to Ted's defense are sockpuppets with
an anonymous Yahoo remailer account and zero posting history. (How've
you been, Duh-g?)
Bro, if you can't see how rude that is then take a course in etiquette!
And you *will*, of course, reveal your name and the name and
telephone number of your pastor, right? My Christian friend Fred
Wheeler tells me that any true Christian will do so without hesitation.
Most of the Christians
I see you are rude to knows their Bible enough to satisfy their needs.
Is English your second language? Would you mind putting that thought
(or, random collections of bits vaguely resembling one) into a coherent
sentence?
They doesn't need to prove anything to you and they can use good
judgement when it comes to taking care of this ng.
Again, you must have crossed the few stray wires you still have in
your head.
So I suggest you pay attention to the and be happy.
I am totally repulsed by what passes for TeddiBeer's thoughts (see a
staggering collection of them attached).
And Ken, you know what your problem is? You're not a believer!
Doesn't it ALWAYS come down to this with our homegrown Islamofascists?
Your anti-Christian posts are offensive to all Christians.
Good. Clean up your act, and I won't have to shove your bile in your
face like that. And you can start with TeddiBeer.
You make a wise
crack to the other poster here about suffering from excessive brain
damage. You should talk. I've read your some of your psudo-logical
arguments for proving that Jesus isn't alive.
[?!?]
Prove that he is alive. Produce the *warm* body.
Are you on drugs or
alcohol? Let me share with you what the Bible has to say about drugs
and alcohol.
Ask Teddi. And while you're at it, you might try to learn from his
adultery. :)
The Greek word for sorcery, pharmakeia (from which we get pharmacy)
always refers to drugs, which were commonly associated with false
religions. Sorcerers often used drugs to practice their magic arts;
What is the Bible's teaching about such use of drugs? Rev. 21:8
You want to experience a mushroom-induced fantasy? Read the bizarre
Revelation of St. John the Divine. It's like reading a Hubbard novel.
Here are some questions you might ask yourself: What do wine and
strong drink (beer) do to a person? Prov. 20:1
"Beer is proof positive there is a God." B. Franklin.
Uh, don't forget that Jesus (allegedly) turned water into wine. You
can't say it's a bad thing.
What are the results of drinking alcoholic beverages? Prov. 23:29-35
You could grow up to be President like Shrub?
What will drunkards not inherit? 1 Cor. 6:9-10
What about adulterers like Teddi?
What should Christians do instead of getting drunk? Eph. 5:18
Sodomize young children on the golf course?
And Ken, I came across this post by you that I can answer for you.
You said: "And how much of that ancient book-o'-blood can we
throw out as man-made myth and invention? Let's start
with the narrative leading up to the Crucifixion and the
Resurrection. Jesus must have had a busy morning on
that Friday: three trials, two public audiences, a spate
of torture sessions, and a mile-long hike with a 100-lb.
cross draped over his shoulder. And he got it all done
by 9 AM? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!"
As far as I know, you have this one wrong too Ken. This is what I come
up with for a timeline:
And what evidence do you have for it, apart from your desperate need
to reach a predetermined conclusion? And while you're at it, why didn't
"Matthew" know that the Jewish day begins at sunset?
6pm-11:30pm
Thursday, April 14, 30 AD
Garden of Gethsemane - Jesus waits for his arrest
1:00am-1:30am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Confrontation in Garden and Jesus' Arrest
1:30am-3:00am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Trial 1: Annas, former Jewish High Priest for 16 years - Jesus
receives initial physical abuse
At 3:00 AM?!?
Trial 2: Current Jewish High Priest, Caiaphas, and the Sanhedrin Court
- Jesus bloodied by abuse
3:00am-5:00am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Imprisonment at Caiaphas' palace
5:00am-6:00am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Trial 3: All the Jewish elders, including the High Priest, scribes and
whole Sanhedrin. They decide to ask the Roman government to kill Jesus
6:00am-7:00am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Trial 4: Hearing before Roman governor Pilate, who declares, "I find
no guilt in this man."
7:00-7:30am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Trial 5: Hearing before Herod Antipas, the son of Herod the Great, who
had jurisdiction over Galilee. Jesus refused to answer any questions
so Herod returned him quickly to Pilate
7:30am-8:30am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Trial 6: Pilate repeatedly tried to release Jesus but the Jewish
leaders continued to object. Pilate physically tortured and beat Jesus
beyond recognition seeking to satisfy the Jewish leaders. However the
Jews demanded that Jesus be crucified. Pilate resisted but eventually
gave the order to execute Jesus
8:30am-9:00am
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Pilate's Roman soldiers take Jesus into the court ("Praetorium") and
enjoy mockery and continued torture, including driving thorns into his
skull
9:00am-12:00noon
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Jesus forced to carry his own cross, then actual crucifixion
He was hung on the cross at about the third hour, not the sixth.
You've proven my point, in the sense that they never would conducted
the business you say they did at those hours. Read "The Trial and Death
of Jesus" by former Israeli Supreme Court justice Haim Cohn. He sticks
a fork into your nonsense.
12:00 noon - 3:00pm
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Momentous final 3 hours on the cross.
3:00pm
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Death
Friday, April 15, 30 AD
Burial
Sunday, April 17, 30 AD
"Resurrection" - 1st reported appearance of Jesus as alive after
execution
Ken says it was all done by 9:00AM. The Bible says it was all done
by 3:00PM
You can take that one to the lake of fire Ken. (unless you repent)
I am going to pray that Jesus gets your attention just like He did to
Saul on the road to Damascus. I am going to pray that God will do
whatever it takes to bring you to an understanding of your need for
salvation through Christ. I am going to pray that God will soften your
hardened heart towards Him. I am going to pray that you will never
forget these words:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
I'm going to pray that you understand that kind of love.
Yes Ken, I am going to pray for you.
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:44:03 -0500
From: John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com>
Organization: The Code Zone
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.fan.bob-larson
"Theodore A. Kaldis" <kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
I have never expressed malice, online or otherwise.
I have the necessary qualifications to speak on behalf of Jesus.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
What "cute" hindu chick? Sorry, but I think the swarthy dot-heads are
dogs. I wouldn't even f*** her with your d***.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
Hey, they let ragheads and towelheads and slapheads and camel jockeys
in. Why shouldn't they let me in? At least I'm not from a completely
alien culture.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
Darling, you're just wound a little too tight. And I know exactly
what'll loosen you up.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
But no towel-heads, no slap-heads, no rag-heads, no camel jockeys, and
no bloody swarthy wogs!
--Theodore A. Kaldis
What other words are there? "Gook". "Slope". "Slant-eye". The list
continues further downhill from here.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
BTW, you're not ugly, or a fat chick, now are you?
--Theodore A. Kaldis
I do not use the word "*****", nor do I use the word "coon"
--Theodore A. Kaldis
At that rate, assuming there are somewhere between 25 to 50 million
blacks in the U.S. (and I don't know what the exact figure is, but I
would surmise that it falls somewhere within that range), they each get
between US$140 to $280. Chump change. With that they would only be
"***** rich".
--Theodore A. Kaldis
I've already been assaulted a couple of times, but both times by Guido's
rather than by coons.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
Raghead women are too ugly to become flight attendants.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
That's easy. This is yet another example of feminine ``logic'' (truly
an oxymoron if ever there was one).
--Theodore A. Kaldis
Ragheads, towel heads, camel jockeys, and other swarthy types not
allowed.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
The *****-suckin' Chicks are toast.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
I have the Holy Spirit to lead me into all the truth and righteousness.
--Theodore A. Kaldis
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John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:08:17 GMT, Ken Smith <forget@it.com> wrote:
Chas wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote
,,,,,Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the
conference on his own to welcome the attendees,]
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in your town?
How about the American Islamofascist Party?
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. That's what the First Amendment
is *supposed* to be about: protections extending not only to the speech
you like, but the speech you loathe.
Ken you blithering moron.
NAMBLA promotes a criminal agenda, the use of UNDERAGE boys for the
sexual gratification of adults.
I don't know in which convoluted chamber of that swill-filled nautilus
mind of yours that equates to some bastion of "free speech", but I can
assure you that endorsing criminal sexual activity is not a valid
expression of the first amendment.
OUT.
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Lord Samuel wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:08:17 GMT, Ken Smith <forget@it.com> wrote:
Chas wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote
,,,,,Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the
conference on his own to welcome the attendees,]
Would you welcome NAMBLA to exercise their 'freedom of speech' in
your town? How about the American Islamofascist Party?
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. That's what the First
Amendment
is *supposed* to be about: protections extending not only to the
speech
you like, but the speech you loathe.
Ken you blithering moron.
NAMBLA promotes a criminal agenda, the use of UNDERAGE boys for the
sexual gratification of adults.
Gee, and all this time I though that was the Vatican's position ...
--
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
~ George Bush Jr. 2001-09-13
"I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea and I really
don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
~ George Bush Jr. 2002-03-13
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16 Apr 2004 10:52:56 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:17:12 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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NAMBLA promotes a criminal agenda, the use of UNDERAGE boys for the
sexual gratification of adults.
Gee, and all this time I though that was the Vatican's position ...
Official cite please.
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| User: "Theodore A. Kaldis" |
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| Title: Re: => Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado ...! <= |
15 Apr 2004 08:58:05 AM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
"Vox Populi" wrote:
Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado
And what makes those demented malcontents think that they should be
welcomed?
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- Gov. Bill Owens and Mayor Lionel
Rivera declined to extend an official welcome to the Atheist Alliance for
its national convention this weekend,
Good on the governor and the mayor, then!
and attendees said they felt slighted.
My heart bleeds.
Your bigoted reaction was expected.
What "bigoted reaction"? There is no bigotry here, only lucid, forthright
thinking with clarity.
For your information, the bigotry of the governor and mayor was noted by
several newspapers
P*ss on the newspapers! I am not concerned about what those liars have to
say. For the most part, they are generally kindred spirits with the
atheists.
who sent reporters who wrote nice articles about the conference.
What did I just tell you?
Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the conference on his own to welcome the
attendees,
He's trying to suck up to the wrong people. Next chance they get, I hope
that the upright citizens of Colorado Springs have the good sense to send him
packing.
since he felt that the way they were treated was wrong
Why should anyone give a toss about how they feel? Do they take our feelings
into account when, say, they try to have the words "under God" removed from
the Pledge? Mob of anti-social misanthropes! They impose a burden upon
society by constantly trying to tear down those institutions of it that
provide society its stability. They deserve our scorn.
and that they were entitled to freedom of speech like everyone else in the
US.
Sure, they're entitled to free speech. But I'm not obliged to listen.
Sorry to disappont you, Ted (NOT!), but not everyone is a bigot like you.
I'm no bigot.
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Theodore A. Kaldis
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| User: "freethinker" |
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| Title: Re: => Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado ...! <= |
15 Apr 2004 11:55:32 AM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:58:05 -0700, "Theodore A. Kaldis"
<kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
"Vox Populi" wrote:
Atheists feel unwelcome in Colorado
And what makes those demented malcontents think that they should be
welcomed?
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- Gov. Bill Owens and Mayor Lionel
Rivera declined to extend an official welcome to the Atheist Alliance for
its national convention this weekend,
Good on the governor and the mayor, then!
and attendees said they felt slighted.
My heart bleeds.
Your bigoted reaction was expected.
What "bigoted reaction"? There is no bigotry here, only lucid, forthright
thinking with clarity.
For your information, the bigotry of the governor and mayor was noted by
several newspapers
P*ss on the newspapers! I am not concerned about what those liars have to
say. For the most part, they are generally kindred spirits with the
atheists.
who sent reporters who wrote nice articles about the conference.
What did I just tell you?
Also, the Vice Mayor showed up at the conference on his own to welcome the
attendees,
He's trying to suck up to the wrong people. Next chance they get, I hope
that the upright citizens of Colorado Springs have the good sense to send him
packing.
since he felt that the way they were treated was wrong
Why should anyone give a toss about how they feel? Do they take our feelings
into account when, say, they try to have the words "under God" removed from
the Pledge? Mob of anti-social misanthropes! They impose a burden upon
society by constantly trying to tear down those institutions of it that
provide society its stability. They deserve our scorn.
and that they were entitled to freedom of speech like everyone else in the
US.
Sure, they're entitled to free speech. But I'm not obliged to listen.
Sorry to disappont you, Ted (NOT!), but not everyone is a bigot like you.
I'm no bigot.
But you are a self righteous bigoted obnoxious christian. The kind
that causes the decent people to leave the church, and in many cases
become atheist.
To others don`t let bigots like this drive you away, stay and
together we can return the teaching of Jesus to christianity. We are
allowing people like this destroy christianity.
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