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** Born again religion reporter loses faith ** |
Born again religion reporter loses faith
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From the LA Times, written by By William Lobdell, Times Staff Writer
When Times editors assigned me to the religion beat, I believed God had answered
my prayers.
As a serious Christian, I had cringed at some of the coverage in the mainstream
media. Faith frequently was treated like a circus, even a freak show.
I wanted to report objectively and respectfully about how belief shapes people's
lives. Along the way, I believed, my own faith would grow deeper and sturdier.
But during the eight years I covered religion, something very different
happened.
In 1989, a friend took me to Mariners Church, then in Newport Beach, after
saying: "You need God. That's what's missing in your life." At the time, I was
28 and my first son was less than a year old. I had managed to nearly ruin my
marriage (the second one) and didn't think I'd do much better as a father. I was
profoundly lost.
The mega-church's pastor, Kenton Beshore, had a knack for making Scripture
accessible and relevant. For someone who hadn't studied the Bible much, these
talks fed a hunger in my soul. The secrets to living well had been there all
along - in "Life's Instruction Manual," as some Christians nicknamed the Bible.
Some friends in a Bible study class encouraged me to attend a men's religious
weekend in the San Bernardino Mountains. The three-day retreats are designed to
grind down your defenses and leave you emotionally raw - an easier state in
which to connect with God. After 36 hours of prayer, singing, Bible study,
intimate sharing and little sleep, I felt filled with the Holy Spirit.
At the climactic service Sunday, Mike Barris, a pastor-to-be, delivered an
old-fashioned altar call. He said we needed to let Jesus into our hearts.
With my eyes closed in prayer, I saw my heart slowly opening in two and then
being infused with a warm, glowing light. A tingle spread across my chest. This,
I thought, was what it was to be born again.
The pastor asked those who wanted to accept Jesus to raise their hands. My hand
pretty much levitated on its own. My new friends in Christ, many of whom I had
first met Friday, gave me hugs and slaps on the back.
I began praying each morning and night. During those quiet times, I mostly
listened for God's voice. And I thought I sensed a plan he had for me: To write
about religion for The Times and bring light into the newsroom, if only by my
stories and example.
My desire to be a religion reporter grew as I read stories about faith in the
mainstream media. Spiritual people often appeared as nuts or simpletons.
In one of the most famous examples, the Washington Post ran a news story in 1993
that referred to evangelical Christians as "largely poor, uneducated and easy to
command."
Another maddening trend was that homosexuality and abortion debates dominated
media coverage, as if those where the only topics that mattered to Christians.
I didn't just pray for a religion writing job; I lobbied hard. In one meeting
with editors, my pitch went something like this:
"What if I told you that you have an institution in Orange County that draws
more than 15,000 people a weekend and that you haven't written much about?"
They said they couldn't imagine such a thing.
"Saddleback Church in Lake Forest draws that type of crowd."
It took several years and numerous memos and e-mails, but editors finally agreed
in 1998 to let me write "Getting Religion," a weekly column about faith in
Orange County.
I felt like all the tumblers of my life had clicked. I had a strong marriage,
great kids and a new column. I attributed it all to God's grace.
First as a columnist and then as a reporter, I never had a shortage of topics. I
wrote about an elderly church organist who became a spiritual mentor to the man
who tried to rape, rob and kill her. About the Orthodox Jewish mother who
developed a line of modest clothing for Barbie dolls. About the hardy group of
Mormons who rode covered wagons 800 miles from Salt Lake City to San Bernardino,
replicating their ancestors' journey to Southern California.
Meanwhile, Roman Catholicism, with its low-key evangelism and deep ritual,
increasingly appealed to me. I loved its long history and loving embrace of
liberals and conservatives, immigrants and the established, the rich and poor.
My wife was raised in the Catholic Church and had wanted me to join for years. I
signed up for yearlong conversion classes at a Newport Beach parish that would
end with an Easter eve ceremony ushering newcomers into the church.
By then I had been on the religion beat for three years. I couldn't wait to get
to work each day or, on Sunday, to church.
IN 2001, about six months before the Catholic clergy sex scandal broke
nationwide, the dioceses of Orange and Los Angeles paid a record $5.2 million to
a law student who said he had been molested, as a student at Santa Margarita
High School in Rancho Santa Margarita, by his principal, Msgr. Michael Harris.
Without admitting guilt, Harris agreed to leave the priesthood. As part of the
settlement, the dioceses also were forced to radically change how they handled
sexual abuse allegations, including a promise to kick out any priest with a
credible molestation allegation in his past. It emerged that both dioceses had
many known molesters on duty. Los Angeles had two convicted pedophiles still
working as priests.
While reporting the Harris story, I learned - from court records and
interviews - the lengths to which the church went to protect the priest. When
Harris took an abrupt leave of absence as principal at Santa Margarita in
January 1994, he issued a statement saying it was because of "stress." He
resigned a month later.
His superiors didn't tell parents or students the real reason for his absence:
Harris had been accused of molesting a student while he was principal at Mater
Dei High School in Santa Ana from 1977 to 1979; church officials possessed a
note from Harris that appeared to be a confession; and they were sending him to
a treatment center.
In September 1994, a second former student stepped forward, this time publicly,
and filed a lawsuit. In response, parents and students held a rally for Harris
at the school, singing, "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow." An airplane towed a
banner overhead that read "We Love Father Harris."
By this time, church leaders possessed a psychological report in which Catholic
psychiatrists diagnosed Harris as having an attraction to adolescents and
concluded that he likely had molested multiple boys. (Harris, who has denied the
allegations, now stands accused of molesting 12 boys, according to church
records.) But they didn't step forward to set the record straight. Instead, a
diocesan spokesman called Harris an "icon of the priesthood."
Harris' top defense attorney, John Barnett, lashed out at the priest's accusers
in the media, calling them "sick individuals." Again, church leaders remained
silent as the alleged victims were savaged. Some of the diocese's top priests -
including the cleric in charge of investigating the accusations - threw a
going-away party for Harris.
At the time, I never imagined Catholic leaders would engage in a widespread
practice that protected alleged child molesters and belittled the victims. I
latched onto the explanation that was least damaging to my belief in the
Catholic Church - that this was an isolated case of a morally corrupt
administration.
And I was comforted by the advice of a Catholic friend: "Keep your eyes on the
person nailed to the cross, not the priests behind the altar."
IN late 2001, I traveled to Salt Lake City to attend a conference of former
Mormons. These people lived mostly in the Mormon Jell-O belt - Utah, Idaho,
Arizona - so-named because of the plates of Jell-O that inevitably appear at
Mormon gatherings.
They found themselves ostracized in their neighborhoods, schools and careers.
Often, they were dead to their own families.
"If Mormons associate with you, they think they will somehow become contaminated
and lose their faith too," Suzy Colver told me. "It's almost as if people who
leave the church don't exist."
The people at the conference were an eclectic bunch: novelists and stay-at-home
moms, entrepreneurs and cartoonists, sex addicts and alcoholics. Some were
depressed, others angry, and a few had successfully moved on. But they shared a
common thread: They wanted to be honest about their lack of faith and still be
loved.
In most pockets of Mormon culture, that wasn't going to happen.
Part of what drew me to Christianity were the radical teachings of Jesus - to
love your enemy, to protect the vulnerable and to lovingly bring lost sheep back
into the fold.
As I reported the story, I wondered how faithful Mormons - many of whom
rigorously follow other biblical commands such as giving 10% of their income to
the church - could miss so badly on one of Jesus' primary lessons?
As part of the Christian family, I felt shame for my religion. But I still
compartmentalized it as an aberration - the result of sinful behavior that
infects even the church.
IN early 2002, I was assigned to work on the Catholic sex scandal story as it
erupted across the nation. I also continued to attend Sunday Mass and conversion
classes on Sunday mornings and Tuesday nights.
Father Vincent Gilmore - the young, intellectually sharp priest teaching the
class - spoke about the sex scandal and warned us Catholics-to-be not to be
poisoned by a relatively few bad clerics. Otherwise, we'd be committing
"spiritual suicide."
As I began my reporting, I kept that in mind. I also thought that the victims -
people usually in their 30s, 40s and up - should have just gotten over what had
happened to them decades before. To me, many of them were needlessly stuck in
the past.
But then I began going over the documents. And interviewing the victims, scores
of them. I discovered that the term "sexual abuse" is a euphemism. Most of these
children were raped and sodomized by someone they and their family believed was
Christ's representative on Earth. That's not something an 8-year-old's mind can
process; it forever warps a person's sexuality and spirituality.
Many of these victims were molested by priests with a history of abusing
children. But the bishops routinely sent these clerics to another parish, and
bullied or conned the victims and their families into silence. The police were
almost never called. In at least a few instances, bishops encouraged molesting
priests to flee the country to escape prosecution.
I couldn't get the victims' stories or the bishops' lies - many of them right
there on their own stationery - out of my head. I had been in journalism more
than two decades and had dealt with murders, rapes, other violent crimes and
tragedies. But this was different - the children were so innocent, their parents
so faithful, the priests so sick and bishops so corrupt.
The lifeline Father Vincent had tried to give me began to slip from my hands.
I sought solace in another belief: that a church's heart is in the pews, not the
pulpits. Certainly the people who were reading my stories would recoil and, in
the end, recapture God's house. Instead, I saw parishioners reflexively support
priests who had molested children by writing glowing letters to bishops and
judges, offering them jobs or even raising their bail while cursing the victims,
often to their faces.
On a Sunday morning at a parish in Rancho Santa Margarita, I watched congregants
lobby to name their new parish hall after their longtime pastor, who had
admitted to molesting a boy and who had been barred that day from the ministry.
I felt sick to my stomach that the people of God wanted to honor an admitted
child molester. Only one person in the crowd, an Orange County sheriff's deputy,
spoke out for the victim.
On Good Friday 2002, I decided I couldn't belong to the Catholic Church. Though
I had spent a year preparing for it, I didn't go through with the rite of
conversion.
I understood that I was witnessing the failure of humans, not God. But in a way,
that was the point. I didn't see these institutions drenched in God's spirit.
Shouldn't religious organizations, if they were God-inspired and -driven,
reflect higher standards than government, corporations and other groups in
society?
I found an excuse to skip services that Easter. For the next few months, I
attended church only sporadically. Then I stopped going altogether.
SOME of the nation's most powerful pastors - including Billy Graham, Robert H.
Schuller and Greg Laurie - appear on the Trinity Broadcasting Network,
benefiting from TBN's worldwide reach while looking past the network's reliance
on the "prosperity gospel" to fuel its growth.
TBN's creed is that if viewers send money to the network, God will repay them
with great riches and good health. Even people deeply in debt are encouraged to
put donations on credit cards.
"If you have been healed or saved or blessed through TBN and have not
contributed . you are robbing God and will lose your reward in heaven," Paul
Crouch, co-founder of the Orange County-based network, once told viewers.
Meanwhile, Crouch and his wife, Jan, live like tycoons.
I began looking into TBN after receiving some e-mails from former devotees of
the network. Those people had given money to the network in hopes of getting a
financial windfall from God. That didn't work.
By then, I started to believe that God was calling me, as he did St. Francis of
Assisi, to "rebuild his church" - not in some grand way that would lead to
sainthood but by simply reporting on corruption within the church body.
I spent several years investigating TBN and pored through stacks of documents -
some made available by appalled employees - showing the Crouches eating
$180-per-person meals; flying in a $21-million corporate jet; having access to
30 TBN-owned homes across the country, among them a pair of Newport Beach
mansions and a ranch in Texas. All paid for with tax-free donor money.
One of the stars of TBN and a major fundraiser is the self-proclaimed faith
healer Benny Hinn. I attended one of his two-day "Miracle Crusades" at what was
then the Pond of Anaheim. The arena was packed with sick people looking for a
cure.
My heart broke for the hundreds of people around me in wheelchairs or in the
final stages of terminal diseases, believing that if God deemed their faith
strong enough, they would be healed that night.
Hinn tells his audiences that a generous cash gift to his ministry will be seen
by God as a sign of true faith. This has worked well for the televangelist, who
lives in an oceanfront mansion in Dana Point, drives luxury cars, flies in
private jets and stays in the best hotels.
At the crusade, I met Jordie Gibson, 21, who had flown from Calgary, Canada, to
Anaheim because he believed that God, through Hinn, could get his kidneys to
work again.
He was thrilled to tell me that he had stopped getting dialysis because Hinn had
said people are cured only when they "step out in faith." The decision enraged
his doctors, but made perfect sense to Gibson. Despite risking his life as a
show of faith, he wasn't cured in Anaheim. He returned to Canada and went back
on dialysis. The crowd was filled with desperate believers like Gibson.
I tried unsuccessfully to get several prominent mainstream pastors who appeared
on TBN to comment on the prosperity gospel, Hinn's "faith healing" or the
Crouches' lifestyle.
Like the Catholic bishops, I assumed, they didn't want to risk what they had.
AS the stories piled up, I began to pray with renewed vigor, but it felt like I
wasn't connecting to God. I started to feel silly even trying.
I read accounts of St. John of the Cross and his "dark night of the soul," a
time he believed God was testing him by seemingly withdrawing from his life.
Maybe this was my test.
I met with my former Presbyterian pastor, John Huffman, and told him what I was
feeling. I asked him if I could e-mail him some tough questions about
Christianity and faith and get his answers. He agreed without hesitation.
The questions that I thought I had come to peace with started to bubble up
again. Why do bad things happen to good people? Why does God get credit for
answered prayers but no blame for unanswered ones? Why do we believe in the
miraculous healing power of God when he's never been able to regenerate a limb
or heal a severed spinal chord?
In one e-mail, I asked John, who had lost a daughter to cancer, why an atheist
businessman prospers and the child of devout Christian parents dies. Why would a
loving God make this impossible for us to understand?
He sent back a long reply that concluded:
"My ultimate affirmation is let God be God and acknowledge that He is in charge.
He knows what I don't know. And frankly, if I'm totally honest with you, a life
of gratitude is one that bows before the Sovereign God arguing with Him on those
things that trouble me, lamenting the losses of life, but ultimately saying,
'You, God, are infinite; I'm human and finite.' "
John is an excellent pastor, but he couldn't reach me. For some time, I had
tried to push away doubts and reconcile an all-powerful and infinitely loving
God with what I saw, but I was losing ground. I wondered if my born-again
experience at the mountain retreat was more about fatigue, spiritual longing and
emotional vulnerability than being touched by Jesus.
And I considered another possibility: Maybe God didn't exist.
TOWARD the end of my tenure as a religion reporter, I traveled to Nome, Alaska.
Sitting in a tiny visitor's room, I studied the sad, round face of the Eskimo in
front of me and tried to imagine how much he hated being confined to jail.
Peter "Packy" Kobuk was from a remote village on St. Michael Island in western
Alaska. There natives lived, in many ways, just as their ancestors did 10,000
years ago. Smells of the outdoor life hung heavy in his village: the salt air,
the strips of salmon drying on racks, the seaweed washed up on the beach.
But for now, Packy could smell only the disinfectants used to scrub the concrete
floors at the Anvil Mountain Correction Center. Unfortunately, alcohol and a
violent temper had put Packy there many times in his 46 years. For his latest
assault, he was serving three months.
The short, powerfully built man folded his calloused hands on the table. I was
surprised to see a homemade rosary hanging from his neck, the blue beads held
together by string from a fishing net.
I had come from Southern California to report on a generation of Eskimo boys who
had been molested by a Catholic missionary. All of the now-grown Eskimos I had
interviewed over the past week had lost their faith. In fact, several of them
confessed that they fantasized daily about burning down the village church,
where the unspeakable acts took place.
But there was Packy with his rosary.
"Why do you still believe?" I asked.
"It's not God's work what happened to me," he said softly, running his fingers
along the beads. "They were breaking God's commandments - even the people who
didn't help. They weren't loving their neighbors as themselves."
He said he regularly got down on his knees in his jail cell to pray.
"A lot of people make fun of me, asking if the Virgin Mary is going to rescue
me," Packy said. "Well, I've gotten helped more times from the Virgin Mary
through intercession than from anyone else. I won't stop. My children need my
prayers."
Tears spilled from his eyes. Packy's faith, though severely tested, had
survived.
I looked at him with envy. Where he found comfort, I was finding emptiness.
IN the summer of 2005, I reported from a Multnomah County, Ore., courtroom on
the story of an unemployed mother - impregnated by a seminary student 13 years
earlier - who was trying to get increased child support for her sickly
12-year-old son.
The boy's father, Father Arturo Uribe, took the witness stand. The priest had
never seen or talked with his son. He even had trouble properly pronouncing the
kid's name. Uribe confidently offered the court a simple reason as to why he
couldn't pay more than $323 a month in child support.
"The only thing I own are my clothes," he told the judge.
His defense - orchestrated by a razor-sharp attorney paid for by his religious
order - boiled down to this: I'm a Roman Catholic priest, I've taken a vow of
poverty, and child-support laws can't touch me.
The boy's mother, Stephanie Collopy, couldn't afford a lawyer. She stumbled
badly acting as her own attorney. It went on for three hours.
"It didn't look that great," Stephanie said afterward, wiping tears from her
eyes. "It didn't sound that great . but at least I stood up for myself."
The judge ruled in the favor of Uribe, then pastor of a large parish in
Whittier. After the hearing, when the priest's attorney discovered I had been
there, she ran back into the courtroom and unsuccessfully tried to get the judge
to seal the case. I could see why the priest's lawyer would try to cover it up.
People would be shocked at how callously the church dealt with a priest's
illegitimate son who needed money for food and medicine.
My problem was that none of that surprised me anymore.
As I walked into the long twilight of a Portland summer evening, I felt used up
and numb.
My soul, for lack of a better term, had lost faith long ago - probably around
the time I stopped going to church. My brain, which had been in denial, had
finally caught up.
Clearly, I saw now that belief in God, no matter how grounded, requires at some
point a leap of faith. Either you have the gift of faith or you don't. It's not
a choice. It can't be willed into existence. And there's no faking it if you're
honest about the state of your soul.
Sitting in a park across the street from the courthouse, I called my wife on a
cellphone. I told her I was putting in for a new beat at the paper.
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| User: "forevernitefan" |
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04 Aug 2007 04:49:20 AM |
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=A5 UltraMan =A5 wrote:
Born again religion reporter loses faith
.: posted 7/29/2007 ::: by .:webmaster:. ::: EmailThis! =BB
From the LA Times, written by By William Lobdell, Times Staff Writer
( (story snipped for brevity))
People turn away from their religion all the time. It's called
deconversion. There are many similar stories on ex-Christian web sites
where people who devoutly followed Christainity or who were born again
later on decided that the religion they thought was theirs was in fact
NOT for them. A variationof this is the " ex-witch" web sites made by
people claiming they were "witches" until they "got saved". And oc
these born again Christians who claimed to have been witches turn
around and try to convert Wiccans and other Neopagans, often in their
zeal they totally turn their prey OFF to their religion, even create
hatred towards Christianity. And the hate is not unjustified. One time
the born again actor who once was part of the TV series " Growing
Pains" earrlier this year invaded a Druid open ceremony and without
their permission, secretly taped the ceremony, even denying AS HE WAS
TAPING IT covertly that he was recording anything.The guy showed his
incredible ignorance as he intended to attend a Wiccan ceremony and he
didn't know the difference between Wiccan and Druid. It was the lie
and the disrespect that was the problem, not that he was a Christian.
But sadly it's typical of these confrontational "ministries".
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
http://www.boblarsonfanclub.tk/
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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04 Aug 2007 04:58:58 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 02:49:20 -0700, forevernitefan <fvrnite@yahoo.com>
wrote:
¥ UltraMan ¥ wrote:
Born again religion reporter loses faith
.: posted 7/29/2007 ::: by .:webmaster:. ::: EmailThis! »
From the LA Times, written by By William Lobdell, Times Staff Writer
( (story snipped for brevity))
People turn away from their religion all the time. It's called
deconversion.
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It's called "CURE".
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| User: "forevernitefan" |
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04 Aug 2007 06:11:24 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 02:49:20 -0700, forevernitefan <fvrnite@yahoo.com>
wrote:
=A5 UltraMan =A5 wrote:
Born again religion reporter loses faith
.: posted 7/29/2007 ::: by .:webmaster:. ::: EmailThis! =BB
From the LA Times, written by By William Lobdell, Times Staff Writer
( (story snipped for brevity))
People turn away from their religion all the time. It's called
deconversion.
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It's called "CURE".
In many cases it IS a "cure". If you read the stories in the ex-
Christian web sites, over and over you'll see how someone who was a
devout churchgoing, born again Christian felt MUCH better when they
turned their back on what they considered a suffocating faith. Their
chains drop, they can breathe better, they no longer live in constant
fear of a vengeful god, and so forth.
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
http://www.boblarsonfanclub.tk/
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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04 Aug 2007 07:39:22 PM |
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On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 03:19:02 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp>
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by By William Lobdell
Clearly, I saw now that belief in God, no matter how grounded, requires at some
point a leap of faith. Either you have the gift of faith or you don't.
Some "gift". NOT having it is the gift.
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06 Aug 2007 08:42:36 PM |
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On Aug 4, 8:39 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 03:19:02 -0600, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
by By William Lobdell
Clearly, I saw now that belief in God, no matter how grounded, requires =
at some
point a leap of faith. Either you have the gift of faith or you don't.
Some "gift". NOT having it is the gift.
Ahh, he's a newbie. I don't recall ever being depressed after "giving
up the ghost", but I've heard many folks say it. Give him a couple of
months breathing free air, and see if he changes his tune.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Aug 2007 11:17:45 AM |
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:42:36 -0700, wrote:
On Aug 4, 8:39 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 03:19:02 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
by By William Lobdell
Clearly, I saw now that belief in God, no matter how grounded, requires at some
point a leap of faith. Either you have the gift of faith or you don't.
Some "gift". NOT having it is the gift.
Ahh, he's a newbie. I don't recall ever being depressed after "giving
up the ghost", but I've heard many folks say it. Give him a couple of
months breathing free air, and see if he changes his tune.
Can't comment - I was never indoctrinated, so I have no idea what it's
like. I thought it was a silly idea when I was 6.
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07 Aug 2007 01:02:13 PM |
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On Aug 7, 12:17 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:42:36 -0700, wrote:
On Aug 4, 8:39 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 03:19:02 -0600, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
by By William Lobdell
Clearly, I saw now that belief in God, no matter how grounded, requir=
es at some
point a leap of faith. Either you have the gift of faith or you don't.
Some "gift". NOT having it is the gift.
Ahh, he's a newbie. I don't recall ever being depressed after "giving
up the ghost", but I've heard many folks say it. Give him a couple of
months breathing free air, and see if he changes his tune.
Can't comment - I was never indoctrinated, so I have no idea what it's
like. I thought it was a silly idea when I was 6.
You're a lucky man. <g>
I always thought it sounded like nonsense, but every time I even
suggested it out loud, every adult in the room went apeshit. I guess I
was a teenager by the time I felt comfortable thinking about it.
-PF, Atl.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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04 Aug 2007 09:03:58 AM |
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Ultraman is a cocksucking ***** who stands around public restrooms
picking up little boys. That's why the obsession he has with sex
crimes.
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04 Aug 2007 10:24:58 AM |
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As I understand it, on Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:03:58 -0700, Red
<RedRedCountry@aol.com> wrote:
Ultraman is a cocksucking ***** who stands around public restrooms
picking up little boys. That's why the obsession he has with sex
crimes.
Have you noted the ONLY articles he posts deal with the
Christian God? Never one mention of someone who follows Allah
committing a crime is ever posted. Anyone who is Hindu gets a free
ride with him
Why? The answer is simple. He believes in the Christian God,
but doesn't want to. And he HATES the Christian God for some reason.
We could spend days or even months guessing at the reason(s).
The ultimate reason doesn't matter. The fact remains that
he's NOT an atheist. He's just a liar.
--
Kent
Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
I poked a badger with a spoon.
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04 Aug 2007 06:52:21 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:24:58 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:03:58 -0700, Red
<RedRedCountry@aol.com> wrote:
Ultraman is a cocksucking ***** who stands around public restrooms
picking up little boys. That's why the obsession he has with sex
crimes.
Have you noted the ONLY articles he posts deal with the
Christian God? Never one mention of someone who follows Allah
committing a crime is ever posted. Anyone who is Hindu gets a free
ride with him
Why? The answer is simple. He believes in the Christian God,
How can anyone hate something which does not exist?
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| User: "Kent Wills" |
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04 Aug 2007 06:53:51 PM |
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As I understand it, on Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:22:21 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:24:58 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:03:58 -0700, Red
<RedRedCountry@aol.com> wrote:
Ultraman is a cocksucking ***** who stands around public restrooms
picking up little boys. That's why the obsession he has with sex
crimes.
Have you noted the ONLY articles he posts deal with the
Christian God? Never one mention of someone who follows Allah
committing a crime is ever posted. Anyone who is Hindu gets a free
ride with him
Why? The answer is simple. He believes in the Christian God,
How can anyone hate something which does not exist?
Jonezie does believe the God of the Bible exists. He wouldn't
HATE said God if he didn't believe.
Note that he has NO hate for any other deity.
--
Kent
No todos los que ven tus obras ven tus virtudes.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: ** Born again religion reporter loses faith ** |
04 Aug 2007 08:49:14 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:53:51 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:22:21 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:24:58 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:03:58 -0700, Red
<RedRedCountry@aol.com> wrote:
Ultraman is a cocksucking ***** who stands around public restrooms
picking up little boys. That's why the obsession he has with sex
crimes.
Have you noted the ONLY articles he posts deal with the
Christian God? Never one mention of someone who follows Allah
committing a crime is ever posted. Anyone who is Hindu gets a free
ride with him
Why? The answer is simple. He believes in the Christian God,
How can anyone hate something which does not exist?
Jonezie does believe the God of the Bible exists. He wouldn't
HATE said God if he didn't believe.
Note that he has NO hate for any other deity.
But if you look even cursorily, he was not referring to himself.
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| User: "Kent Wills" |
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| Title: Re: ** Born again religion reporter loses faith ** |
04 Aug 2007 10:51:20 PM |
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As I understand it, on Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:19:14 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:53:51 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:22:21 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:24:58 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:03:58 -0700, Red
<RedRedCountry@aol.com> wrote:
Ultraman is a cocksucking ***** who stands around public restrooms
picking up little boys. That's why the obsession he has with sex
crimes.
Have you noted the ONLY articles he posts deal with the
Christian God? Never one mention of someone who follows Allah
committing a crime is ever posted. Anyone who is Hindu gets a free
ride with him
Why? The answer is simple. He believes in the Christian God,
How can anyone hate something which does not exist?
Jonezie does believe the God of the Bible exists. He wouldn't
HATE said God if he didn't believe.
Note that he has NO hate for any other deity.
But if you look even cursorily, he was not referring to himself.
Do TRY and pay attention.
I was referring to Jonez. This means the reply must have been
about Jonez. If the poster meant anyone else, or multiple people,
s/he would have indicated such.
--
Kent
"Hail imp," shouted Vlad, the Imp Hailer.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: ** Born again religion reporter loses faith ** |
05 Aug 2007 02:18:58 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:51:20 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:19:14 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:53:51 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:22:21 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:24:58 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:03:58 -0700, Red
<RedRedCountry@aol.com> wrote:
Ultraman is a cocksucking ***** who stands around public restrooms
picking up little boys. That's why the obsession he has with sex
crimes.
Have you noted the ONLY articles he posts deal with the
Christian God? Never one mention of someone who follows Allah
committing a crime is ever posted. Anyone who is Hindu gets a free
ride with him
Why? The answer is simple. He believes in the Christian God,
How can anyone hate something which does not exist?
Jonezie does believe the God of the Bible exists. He wouldn't
HATE said God if he didn't believe.
Note that he has NO hate for any other deity.
But if you look even cursorily, he was not referring to himself.
Do TRY and pay attention.
I was referring to Jonez. This means the reply must have been
about Jonez. If the poster meant anyone else, or multiple people,
s/he would have indicated such.
Were you bullied at school?
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| User: "Kent Wills" |
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| Title: Re: ** Born again religion reporter loses faith ** |
05 Aug 2007 09:37:15 AM |
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As I understand it, on Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:48:58 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:51:20 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:19:14 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:53:51 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:22:21 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:24:58 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:03:58 -0700, Red
<RedRedCountry@aol.com> wrote:
Ultraman is a cocksucking ***** who stands around public restrooms
picking up little boys. That's why the obsession he has with sex
crimes.
Have you noted the ONLY articles he posts deal with the
Christian God? Never one mention of someone who follows Allah
committing a crime is ever posted. Anyone who is Hindu gets a free
ride with him
Why? The answer is simple. He believes in the Christian God,
How can anyone hate something which does not exist?
Jonezie does believe the God of the Bible exists. He wouldn't
HATE said God if he didn't believe.
Note that he has NO hate for any other deity.
But if you look even cursorily, he was not referring to himself.
Do TRY and pay attention.
I was referring to Jonez. This means the reply must have been
about Jonez. If the poster meant anyone else, or multiple people,
s/he would have indicated such.
Were you bullied at school?
I was the bully, actually. I'm not proud of this, but I did
pick on the weaker kids.
I had serious self esteem issues when I was young. All bullies
do. They behave that way as a means to compensate for feeling
inferior to those around them.
Most grow out of it as they mature. A few, like me, actually
regret their past actions as a bully.
--
Kent
Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
I poked a badger with a spoon.
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| User: "¥ UltraMan ¥" |
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| Title: Re: ** Kent B Wills HATES the Google Usenet archive! -- Born again religion reporter loses faith ** |
05 Aug 2007 04:25:50 PM |
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Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:48:58 +0930, Michael Gray
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:51:20 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
As I understand it, on Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:19:14 +0930, Michael Gray
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:53:51 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
As I understand it,, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:24:58 -0500, Kent Wills
As I understand it, on Sat, 04 Aug 20, Red <RedRedCountry@aol.com>
wrote:
Ultraman is a cocksucking ***** who stands around public
restrooms picking up little boys. That's why the obsession he
has with sex crimes.
Have you noted the ONLY articles he posts deal with the
Christian God? Never one mention of someone who follows Allah
committing a crime is ever posted. Anyone who is Hindu gets a
free ride with him
Why? The answer is simple. He believes in the Christian God,
How can anyone hate something which does not exist?
Jonezie does believe the God of the Bible exists. He wouldn't
HATE said God if he didn't believe.
Note that he has NO hate for any other deity.
But if you look even cursorily, he was not referring to himself.
Do TRY and pay attention.
I was referring to Jonez. This means the reply must have been
about Jonez. If the poster meant anyone else, or multiple people,
s/he would have indicated such.
Were you bullied at school?
I was the bully, actually. I'm not proud of this, but I did
pick on the weaker kids.
I had serious self esteem issues when I was young.
When was that exactly ... yesterday ?
All bullies
do. They behave that way as a means to compensate for feeling
inferior to those around them.
"And still I am superior to you."
-- Kent Wills
"I'm still better than you in all ways. I will admit when I'm
wrong."
-- Kent Wills
"Yet I'm your superior in all things that matter, and many that don't."
-- Kent Wills
"If so, it means the whole of the state is you intellectual superior. "
-- Kent Wills
"I am your superior in EVERY way."
-- Kent Wills
"It's just one of the things that makes me your superior"
-- Kent Wills
"And if I, being your intellectual superior, am dumb, how bad
does that make you?"
-- Kent Wills
"It's been proved that I am your intellectual superior in all things
that matter, and many that don't."
-- Kent Wills
Most grow out of it as they mature. A few, like me, actually
regret their past actions as a bully.
From: Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Larry Allen Glasser from NY still a pig-ignorant liar and utter
embarrassment to the legal profession !!!!!
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:13:53 -0500
Message-ID:
Many people the world over use motzarella. I have an account
with them, though I rarely use it. I have it as a back up in the
event that datemas is down for an extended period of time.
If datemas stays up, I'll log on to motzarella about once
every three months to keep it active.
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05 Aug 2007 08:36:25 PM |
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As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:25:50 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
[...]
Were you bullied at school?
I was the bully, actually. I'm not proud of this, but I did
pick on the weaker kids.
I had serious self esteem issues when I was young.
When was that exactly ... yesterday ?
I graduated a LONG time ago, dullard.
All bullies
do. They behave that way as a means to compensate for feeling
inferior to those around them.
[snip of items that prove ultra has a dangerous obsession about me]
Most grow out of it as they mature. A few, like me, actually
regret their past actions as a bully.
From: Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Larry Allen Glasser from NY still a pig-ignorant liar and utter
embarrassment to the legal profession !!!!!
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:13:53 -0500
Message-ID:
Many people the world over use motzarella. I have an account
with them, though I rarely use it. I have it as a back up in the
event that datemas is down for an extended period of time.
If datemas stays up, I'll log on to motzarella about once
every three months to keep it active.
What does that have to do with my regretting having been a
bully at school?
How deep is your psychosis? Seriously?
--
Kent
"Hail imp," shouted Vlad, the Imp Hailer.
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| User: "¥ UltraMan ¥" |
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05 Aug 2007 09:17:02 PM |
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Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:25:50 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
[...]
Were you bullied at school?
I was the bully, actually. I'm not proud of this, but I did
pick on the weaker kids.
I had serious self esteem issues when I was young.
When was that exactly ... yesterday ?
I graduated a LONG time ago, dullard.
All bullies
do. They behave that way as a means to compensate for feeling
inferior to those around them.
[snip of items that prove ultra has a dangerous obsession about me]
<restore irrefutable evidence of Kent's chronic pathological psychosis>
And still I am superior to you."
-- Kent Wills
"I'm still better than you in all ways. I will admit when I'm
wrong."
-- Kent Wills
"Yet I'm your superior in all things that matter, and many that don't."
-- Kent Wills
"If so, it means the whole of the state is you intellectual superior. "
-- Kent Wills
"I am your superior in EVERY way."
-- Kent Wills
"It's just one of the things that makes me your superior"
-- Kent Wills
"And if I, being your intellectual superior, am dumb, how bad
does that make you?"
-- Kent Wills
"It's been proved that I am your intellectual superior in all things
that matter, and many that don't."
-- Kent Wills
Most grow out of it as they mature. A few, like me, actually
regret their past actions as a bully.
From: Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Larry Allen Glasser from NY still a pig-ignorant liar
and utter embarrassment to the legal profession !!!!!
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:13:53 -0500
Message-ID:
Many people the world over use motzarella. I have an account
with them, though I rarely use it. I have it as a back up in the
event that datemas is down for an extended period of time.
If datemas stays up, I'll log on to motzarella about once
every three months to keep it active.
What does that have to do with my regretting having been a
bully at school?
How deep is your psychosis? Seriously?
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05 Aug 2007 09:50:18 PM |
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As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:17:02 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:25:50 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
[...]
Were you bullied at school?
I was the bully, actually. I'm not proud of this, but I did
pick on the weaker kids.
I had serious self esteem issues when I was young.
When was that exactly ... yesterday ?
I graduated a LONG time ago, dullard.
All bullies
do. They behave that way as a means to compensate for feeling
inferior to those around them.
[snip of items that prove ultra has a dangerous obsession about me]
<restore irrefutable evidence of Kent's chronic pathological psychosis>
"He's a fucking race traitor. Kill him, his spic pet, and the
demon spawn they created."
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever (referring to me)
"Kent Wills married a spic named Joquina Cruz. They have two
half-breed children. All of them should be put to death. First the
race traitor Kent, then the genetic misfits they produced, then the
pet spic.
"Kent has committed the greatest crime imaginable. He
betrayed his own race!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
"Death to Kent Wills and all race traitors!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
--
Kent
"Hail imp," shouted Vlad, the Imp Hailer.
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| User: "¥ UltraMan ¥" |
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05 Aug 2007 11:27:45 PM |
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Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:17:02 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:25:50 -0600, "¥ UltraMan
¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote:
[...]
Were you bullied at school?
I was the bully, actually. I'm not proud of this, but I did
pick on the weaker kids.
I had serious self esteem issues when I was young.
When was that exactly ... yesterday ?
I graduated a LONG time ago, dullard.
All bullies
do. They behave that way as a means to compensate for feeling
inferior to those around them.
[snip of items that prove ultra has a dangerous obsession about me]
<restore irrefutable evidence of Kent's chronic pathological
psychosis>
Yep, your lying and false attributions repeated below are
irrefutable evidence of your chronic pathological psychosis.
"He's a fucking race traitor. Kill him, his spic pet, and the
demon spawn they created."
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever (referring to me)
"Kent Wills married a spic named Joquina Cruz. They have two
half-breed children. All of them should be put to death. First the
race traitor Kent, then the genetic misfits they produced, then the
pet spic.
"Kent has committed the greatest crime imaginable. He
betrayed his own race!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
"Death to Kent Wills and all race traitors!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
I never made those posts, Kent. Your lies to the contrary don't change that
fact.
Get some mental health treatment asap, Kent.
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06 Aug 2007 05:16:59 AM |
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As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:27:45 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:17:02 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:25:50 -0600, "¥ UltraMan
¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote:
[...]
Were you bullied at school?
I was the bully, actually. I'm not proud of this, but I did
pick on the weaker kids.
I had serious self esteem issues when I was young.
When was that exactly ... yesterday ?
I graduated a LONG time ago, dullard.
All bullies
do. They behave that way as a means to compensate for feeling
inferior to those around them.
[snip of items that prove ultra has a dangerous obsession about me]
<restore irrefutable evidence of Kent's chronic pathological
psychosis>
Yep, your lying and false attributions repeated below are
irrefutable evidence of your chronic pathological psychosis.
Prove I've lied.
"He's a fucking race traitor. Kill him, his spic pet, and the
demon spawn they created."
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
"Kent Wills married a spic named Joquina Cruz. They have two
half-breed children. All of them should be put to death. First the
race traitor Kent, then the genetic misfits they produced, then the
pet spic.
"Kent has committed the greatest crime imaginable. He
betrayed his own race!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
FYI, dullard, Lindsay's real name isn't Joquina.
"Death to Kent Wills and all race traitors!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
"He's a fucking race traitor. Kill him, his spic pet, and the
demon spawn they created."
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever (referring to me)
"Kent Wills married a spic named Joquina Cruz. They have two
half-breed children. All of them should be put to death. First the
race traitor Kent, then the genetic misfits they produced, then the
pet spic.
"Kent has committed the greatest crime imaginable. He
betrayed his own race!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
"Death to Kent Wills and all race traitors!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
I never made those posts, Kent. Your lies to the contrary don't change that
fact.
Prove I've lied.
Get some mental health treatment asap, Kent.
This from the guy who proudly posted the following:
"He's a fucking race traitor. Kill him, his spic pet, and the
demon spawn they created."
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
"Kent Wills married a spic named Joquina Cruz. They have two
half-breed children. All of them should be put to death. First the
race traitor Kent, then the genetic misfits they produced, then the
pet spic.
"Kent has committed the greatest crime imaginable. He
betrayed his own race!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
FYI, dullard, Lindsay's real name isn't Joquina.
"Death to Kent Wills and all race traitors!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
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| Title: Re: ** Kent B Wills HATES the Google Usenet archive! ** |
16 Aug 2007 06:57:10 PM |
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In article <47tdb3l143sqv1ceri7mr1e3a9cqoh212f@4ax.com>,
Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:27:45 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:17:02 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:25:50 -0600, "¥ UltraMan
¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote:
[...]
Were you bullied at school?
I was the bully, actually. I'm not proud of this, but I did
pick on the weaker kids.
I had serious self esteem issues when I was young.
When was that exactly ... yesterday ?
I graduated a LONG time ago, dullard.
All bullies
do. They behave that way as a means to compensate for feeling
inferior to those around them.
[snip of items that prove ultra has a dangerous obsession about me]
<restore irrefutable evidence of Kent's chronic pathological
psychosis>
Yep, your lying and false attributions repeated below are
irrefutable evidence of your chronic pathological psychosis.
Prove I've lied.
Seems to me it's up to you to prove you told the truth.
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16 Aug 2007 11:29:48 PM |
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As I understand it, on 16 Aug 2007 19:57:10 -0400,
(tjab) wrote:
[...]
Yep, your lying and false attributions repeated below are
irrefutable evidence of your chronic pathological psychosis.
Prove I've lied.
Seems to me it's up to you to prove you told the truth.
He made the claim that I've lied. As such, it befalls him to
prove it.
You're unable to accept truth when presented. For example,
when you claimed I altered an image. You used the properties aspect
of IE to prove your claim. When I pointed out your error, that you'll
get the same results for ANY image on ANY web site, you refused to
accept the truth that you were wrong.
No matter what evidence is presented, you'll ignore it. Some
day you'll mature and realize that you're wrong on various topics. At
least I hope you'll mature and realize this.
--
Kent
The irony of life is that, by the time
you're old enough to know your way
around, you're not going anywhere.
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| User: "tjab" |
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| Title: Re: ** Kent B Wills HATES the Google Usenet archive! ** |
17 Aug 2007 12:39:37 PM |
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In article <qq8ac3lg8vqffqnr2gdlekr877fp2ne9s1@4ax.com>,
Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand it, on 16 Aug 2007 19:57:10 -0400,
(tjab) wrote:
[...]
Yep, your lying and false attributions repeated below are
irrefutable evidence of your chronic pathological psychosis.
Prove I've lied.
Seems to me it's up to you to prove you told the truth.
He made the claim that I've lied. As such, it befalls him to
prove it.
After you made the claim that he posted racist hate speech. So why is
it not up to you to prove it?
Unless you can, I am forced to assume that this is another one of your lies.
You're unable to accept truth when presented. For example,
when you claimed I altered an image.
I stand by what I said. Why wouldn't I? I saw the image before and after you
altered it, and so did Larry.
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| User: "Kent Wills" |
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| Title: Re: ** Kent B Wills HATES the Google Usenet archive! ** |
18 Aug 2007 08:26:23 PM |
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As I understand it, on 17 Aug 2007 13:39:37 -0400,
(tjab) wrote:
In article <qq8ac3lg8vqffqnr2gdlekr877fp2ne9s1@4ax.com>,
Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand it, on 16 Aug 2007 19:57:10 -0400,
(tjab) wrote:
[...]
Yep, your lying and false attributions repeated below are
irrefutable evidence of your chronic pathological psychosis.
Prove I've lied.
Seems to me it's up to you to prove you told the truth.
He made the claim that I've lied. As such, it befalls him to
prove it.
After you made the claim that he posted racist hate speech. So why is
it not up to you to prove it?
Already done. As expected, you've ignored it.
It's no problem for me. I except you to ignore that which
proves out the truth.
Unless you can, I am forced to assume that this is another one of your lies.
Another? Can I get free cable in your fantasy world?
Assume what you wish. You've shown an unwillingness or
inability to accept evidence when presented.
You're unable to accept truth when presented. For example,
when you claimed I altered an image.
I stand by what I said. Why wouldn't I? I saw the image before and after you
altered it, and so did Larry.
Your proof? An item from the properties box on Internet
Explorer. When told you'll get the same effect with ANY web site, you
REFUSED to check. When another poster, Wayne, confirmed my claim, you
ran away from the thread.
When there is evidence that will force you to change what you
want to be true, you run away from it, metaphorically speaking.
Time to grow up, tjab, and accept that you will be wrong from
time to time.
--
Kent
jonez/vox/ultra/whatever advocates murdering a woman for being Wiccan.
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20 Aug 2007 03:37:13 PM |
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In article <bo6fc3dil4th27ki6vd60fk5qbot3egb8n@4ax.com>,
Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand it, on 17 Aug 2007 13:39:37 -0400,
(tjab) wrote:
In article <qq8ac3lg8vqffqnr2gdlekr877fp2ne9s1@4ax.com>,
Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand it, on 16 Aug 2007 19:57:10 -0400,
(tjab) wrote:
[...]
Yep, your lying and false attributions repeated below are
irrefutable evidence of your chronic pathological psychosis.
Prove I've lied.
Seems to me it's up to you to prove you told the truth.
He made the claim that I've lied. As such, it befalls him to
prove it.
After you made the claim that he posted racist hate speech. So why is
it not up to you to prove it?
Already done. As expected, you've ignored it.
It's no problem for me. I except you to ignore that which
proves out the truth.
Unless you can, I am forced to assume that this is another one of your lies.
Another? Can I get free cable in your fantasy world?
Assume what you wish. You've shown an unwillingness or
inability to accept evidence when presented.
You're unable to accept truth when presented. For example,
when you claimed I altered an image.
I stand by what I said. Why wouldn't I? I saw the image before and after you
altered it, and so did Larry.
Your proof? An item from the properties box on Internet
Explorer.
My proof? I saw the image before and after you altered it, and so did Larry.
Are you saying Larry lied about that?
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17 Aug 2007 01:13:37 PM |
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tjab wrote:
In article <qq8ac3lg8vqffqnr2gdlekr877fp2ne9s1@4ax.com>,
Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand it, on 16 Aug 2007 19:57:10 -0400,
(tjab) wrote:
[...]
Yep, your lying and false attributions repeated below are
irrefutable evidence of your chronic pathological psychosis.
Prove I've lied.
Seems to me it's up to you to prove you told the truth.
He made the claim that I've lied. As such, it befalls him to
prove it.
After you made the claim that he posted racist hate speech. So why is
it not up to you to prove it?
Unless you can, I am forced to assume that this is another one of
your lies.
You're unable to accept truth when presented. For example,
when you claimed I altered an image.
I stand by what I said. Why wouldn't I? I saw the image before and
after you altered it, and so did Larry.
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From: Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:43:04 -0500
Message-ID:
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"_ Prof. Jonez_" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
Quotes YOU created in a pathetic amateurish attempt at a Joe Job.
You wrote them. That's not even being debated anymore.
It's as transparent as your laughably forged "First Class Ticket"
you posted.
Ted posted that you doofus.
And all I did was remove the 1. It was a joke played on a
friend who understood it. After he saw it, the image was removed from
the web site. I never made it public, which tells you that Ted was
doing some serious snooping on the site.
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18 Aug 2007 08:27:26 PM |
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As I understand it, on Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:13:37 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez
_" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
tjab wrote:
In article <qq8ac3lg8vqffqnr2gdlekr877fp2ne9s1@4ax.com>,
Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand it, on 16 Aug 2007 19:57:10 -0400,
(tjab) wrote:
[...]
Yep, your lying and false attributions repeated below are
irrefutable evidence of your chronic pathological psychosis.
Prove I've lied.
Seems to me it's up to you to prove you told the truth.
He made the claim that I've lied. As such, it befalls him to
prove it.
After you made the claim that he posted racist hate speech. So why is
it not up to you to prove it?
Unless you can, I am forced to assume that this is another one of
your lies.
You're unable to accept truth when presented. For example,
when you claimed I altered an image.
I stand by what I said. Why wouldn't I? I saw the image before and
after you altered it, and so did Larry.
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From: Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:43:04 -0500
Message-ID:
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"_ Prof. Jonez_" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
Quotes YOU created in a pathetic amateurish attempt at a Joe Job.
You wrote them. That's not even being debated anymore.
It's as transparent as your laughably forged "First Class Ticket"
you posted.
Ted posted that you doofus.
And all I did was remove the 1. It was a joke played on a
friend who understood it. After he saw it, the image was removed from
the web site. I never made it public, which tells you that Ted was
doing some serious snooping on the site.
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Different image, dumb *****.
Is there any particular reason you CAN'T be honest, about
anything, ever?
--
Kent
jonez/vox/ultra/whatever advocates murdering a woman for being Wiccan.
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19 Aug 2007 02:15:53 PM |
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Kent Wills wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez> _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
tjab wrote:
Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
[...]
Yep, your lying and false attributions repeated below are
irrefutable evidence of your chronic pathological psychosis.
Prove I've lied.
Seems to me it's up to you to prove you told the truth.
He made the claim that I've lied. As such, it befalls him to
prove it.
After you made the claim that he posted racist hate speech. So why
is it not up to you to prove it?
Unless you can, I am forced to assume that this is another one of
your lies.
You're unable to accept truth when presented. For example,
when you claimed I altered an image.
I stand by what I said. Why wouldn't I? I saw the image before and
after you altered it, and so did Larry.
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From: Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:43:04 -0500
Message-ID:
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"_ Prof. Jonez_" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
Quotes YOU created in a pathetic amateurish attempt at a Joe Job.
You wrote them. That's not even being debated anymore.
It's as transparent as your laughably forged "First Class Ticket"
you posted.
Ted posted that you doofus.
And all I did was remove the 1. It was a joke played on a
friend who understood it. After he saw it, the image was removed
from the web site. I never made it public, which tells you that Ted
was doing some serious snooping on the site.
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Different image, dumb *****.
Is there any particular reason you CAN'T be honest, about
anything, ever?
So who can keep your habitual lies straight if even you can't,
eh psychopath ?
.... LOL!
"In Iowa, if the tenant has violated the lease in any way, the
landlord may enter without notice."
-- Kent Wills, landlord in Iowa
"Let's pretend breathing is outlawed and everyone the world
over ceases inhaling and exhaling.
There will be NO change in CO2 levels since we exhale carbon
monoxide, not carbon dioxide, stupid."
- Kent Wills si-untist from Iowa
"You are in the Kill File. Have been for a while.
Note that I can only reply if I read someone else's
reply to you."
-- Kent B Wills vainly trying to curtail his OCD
"At this point Madeleine is equally alive and dead. "
-- Kent ignoramus Wills giving the Iowa version of Kwantum Mahkaniks
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19 Aug 2007 11:10:36 AM |
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Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on 16 Aug 2007 19:57:10 -0400,
(tjab) wrote:
[...]
Yep, your lying and false attributions repeated below are
irrefutable evidence of your chronic pathological psychosis.
Prove I've lied.
Seems to me it's up to you to prove you told the truth.
He made the claim that I've lied. As such, it befalls him to
prove it.
You're unable to accept truth when presented. For example,
when you claimed I altered an image. You used the properties aspect
of IE to prove your claim. When I pointed out your error, that you'll
get the same results for ANY image on ANY web site, you refused to
accept the truth that you were wrong.
No matter what evidence is presented, you'll ignore it. Some
day you'll mature and realize that you're wrong on various topics. At
least I hope you'll mature and realize this.
Says the man who quotes and quotes and quotes the same thing, but does not
seem to be able to show them in context and has admitted his claim is based
on similar language.
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