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Muslims' anger at pope is growing
Agence France-Presse
Published: September 15, 2006
ISLAMABAD Pope Benedict XVI faced growing Muslim anger Friday over remarks in
which he linked Islam with violence, and the Pakistani Parliament called on him
to retract the statement.
In India, the head of the minorities commission said the pope had sounded like a
medieval crusader.
In a university lecture in Regensburg, Germany, on Tuesday, the pope implicitly
denounced connections between Islam and violence, particularly with regard to
jihad. The pope's chief spokesman, the Reverend Federico Lombardi, later issued
a statement saying that Benedict respected Islam but rejected violence motivated
by religion.
A call on the pope to retract his remarks was approved unanimously Friday by the
Pakistani National Assembly. And the Pakistani Foreign Office accused Benedict
of "ignorance."
"This House demands that the pope should retract his remarks in the interest of
harmony between religions," said the resolution passed by the National Assembly.
"The derogatory remarks of the pope about the philosophy of jihad and Prophet
Mohammed have injured sentiments across the Muslim world and pose the danger of
spreading acrimony among the religions," the resolution said.
The Foreign Office said that the Roman Catholic leader's comments would
undermine international efforts for peace between religions.
"Anyone who says that there is anything inherently evil or inhuman about Islam
only shows his own ignorance of this great religion," said a Foreign Ministry
spokeswoman, Tasnim Aslam.
In India, the chairman of the National Commission for Minorities, Hamid Ansari,
said:
"The language used by the pope sounds like that of his 12th-century counterpart
who ordered the Crusades."
The pope's comments, made during a visit to his native Bavaria in southern
Germany, were couched in a historical reference to a 14th-century Byzantine
emperor. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new,
and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to
spread by the sword the faith he preached,"' Benedict said. He was quoting the
Byzantine source on the Prophet Mohammed, founder of the Muslim faith.
In India's part of Kashmir, where an Islamic separatist insurgency has raged
since 1989, the Muslim League group called a daylong strike Friday.
And in Britain, the Ramadan Foundation, based in the northern town of Rochdale,
reacted angrily to the comments, comparing the pope unfavorably to his
predecessor John Paul II.
"The Ramadan Foundation is disappointed that the current pope has not followed
the example of his predecessor," it said in a statement.
"The late Pope John Paul II spent over 25 years to build bridges and links with
the Muslim community. He showed the world that its perception of Islam was false
and that we are peace-loving people."
The head of Turkey's state-run religious affairs directorate, Ali Bardakoglu, on
Thursday described the pope's remarks as "a statement full of enmity and
grudge." He also expressed opposition to the pontiff's planned visit to Turkey
in November.
Senior Islamic officials in Kuwait and Egypt demanded an immediate apology.
ISLAMABAD Pope Benedict XVI faced growing Muslim anger Friday over remarks in
which he linked Islam with violence, and the Pakistani Parliament called on him
to retract the statement.
In India, the head of the minorities commission said the pope had sounded like a
medieval crusader.
In a university lecture in Regensburg, Germany, on Tuesday, the pope implicitly
denounced connections between Islam and violence, particularly with regard to
jihad. The pope's chief spokesman, the Reverend Federico Lombardi, later issued
a statement saying that Benedict respected Islam but rejected violence motivated
by religion.
A call on the pope to retract his remarks was approved unanimously Friday by the
Pakistani National Assembly. And the Pakistani Foreign Office accused Benedict
of "ignorance."
"This House demands that the pope should retract his remarks in the interest of
harmony between religions," said the resolution passed by the National Assembly.
"The derogatory remarks of the pope about the philosophy of jihad and Prophet
Mohammed have injured sentiments across the Muslim world and pose the danger of
spreading acrimony among the religions," the resolution said.
The Foreign Office said that the Roman Catholic leader's comments would
undermine international efforts for peace between religions.
"Anyone who says that there is anything inherently evil or inhuman about Islam
only shows his own ignorance of this great religion," said a Foreign Ministry
spokeswoman, Tasnim Aslam.
In India, the chairman of the National Commission for Minorities, Hamid Ansari,
said:
"The language used by the pope sounds like that of his 12th-century counterpart
who ordered the Crusades."
The pope's comments, made during a visit to his native Bavaria in southern
Germany, were couched in a historical reference to a 14th-century Byzantine
emperor. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new,
and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to
spread by the sword the faith he preached,"' Benedict said. He was quoting the
Byzantine source on the Prophet Mohammed, founder of the Muslim faith.
In India's part of Kashmir, where an Islamic separatist insurgency has raged
since 1989, the Muslim League group called a daylong strike Friday.
And in Britain, the Ramadan Foundation, based in the northern town of Rochdale,
reacted angrily to the comments, comparing the pope unfavorably to his
predecessor John Paul II.
"The Ramadan Foundation is disappointed that the current pope has not followed
the example of his predecessor," it said in a statement.
"The late Pope John Paul II spent over 25 years to build bridges and links with
the Muslim community. He showed the world that its perception of Islam was false
and that we are peace-loving people."
The head of Turkey's state-run religious affairs directorate, Ali Bardakoglu, on
Thursday described the pope's remarks as "a statement full of enmity and
grudge." He also expressed opposition to the pontiff's planned visit to Turkey
in November.
Senior Islamic officials in Kuwait and Egypt demanded an immediate apology
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15 Sep 2006 11:46:37 AM |
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=3D> Vox Populi=A9 wrote:
Muslims' anger at pope is growing
Agence France-Presse
Published: September 15, 2006
ISLAMABAD Pope Benedict XVI faced growing Muslim anger Friday over remark=
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which he linked Islam with violence, and the Pakistani Parliament called =
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to retract the statement.
The Pope got it right - more power to him. We all know Islam is an
intolerant, woman-abusing religion, prone to terrorism. I'm tired of
these hypocrites acting hurt when the truth is told. Can't they take an
ounce of criticism with all the "honor killings" and other havoc they
wreak?
I only wish the Pope would generate more backlash when he tells people
to crank out more babies and overcrowd the world.
R=2E Lander
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16 Sep 2006 01:09:03 AM |
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"R. Lander" wrote:
=> Vox PopuliŠ wrote:
Muslims' anger at pope is growing
Agence France-Presse
Published: September 15, 2006
ISLAMABAD Pope Benedict XVI faced growing Muslim anger Friday over remarks in
which he linked Islam with violence, and the Pakistani Parliament called on him
to retract the statement.
The Pope got it right - more power to him. We all know Islam is an
intolerant, woman-abusing religion, prone to terrorism. I'm tired of
these hypocrites acting hurt when the truth is told. Can't they take an
ounce of criticism with all the "honor killings" and other havoc they
wreak?
When they [the Muslim fundamentalists] get their fist nuclear device they will use
it on Christians because they think their god would approve of it
Millions dead in the name of imaginary deities.
That the Pope was willing to add fuel to this pending fire may well return to haunt
him.
Emmett's final line below sums it all up rather nicely.
bob
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin
to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old religion, it is
not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has been, a religion at
all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism is merely
the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
I only wish the Pope would generate more backlash when he tells people
to crank out more babies and overcrowd the world.
R. Lander
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| User: "the Good Captain" |
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16 Sep 2006 07:59:23 AM |
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bob young wrote:
When they [the Muslim fundamentalists] get their fist nuclear device they will use
it on Christians because they think their god would approve of it
Millions dead in the name of imaginary deities.
That the Pope was willing to add fuel to this pending fire may well return to haunt
him.
Yes but the Pope doesnt share your faith in atheism, and given that few
of us actively choose our beliefs where the hereafter is concerned (in
the sense that no one faith is more *rational* than another, anyway)
yours has no more a claim to primacy than the Mohemedans do.
The valid point you made is that should they get the bomb, they would
happily use it in the face of such mild provocations. That is the fact
about them that most people in the West simply arent willing to deal
with.
Emmett's final line below sums it all up rather nicely.
snip< Atheism is merely
the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
An entirely subjective prejudice, that I'm led to believe, doesnt last
long on the deathbed.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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16 Sep 2006 05:08:48 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 16 Sep 2006 05:59:23 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
bob young wrote:
When they [the Muslim fundamentalists] get their fist nuclear device they will use
it on Christians because they think their god would approve of it
Millions dead in the name of imaginary deities.
That the Pope was willing to add fuel to this pending fire may well return to haunt
him.
Yes but the Pope doesnt share your faith in atheism,
Atheism isn't a faith.
and given that few
of us actively choose our beliefs where the hereafter is concerned (in
the sense that no one faith is more *rational* than another, anyway)
yours has no more a claim to primacy than the Mohemedans do.
Given that atheism isn't a faith.....
The valid point you made is that should they get the bomb, they would
happily use it in the face of such mild provocations. That is the fact
about them that most people in the West simply arent willing to deal
with.
Emmett's final line below sums it all up rather nicely.
snip< Atheism is merely
the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
An entirely subjective prejudice, that I'm led to believe, doesnt last
long on the deathbed.
Led like a sheep to slaughter.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "the Good Captain" |
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16 Sep 2006 07:48:19 PM |
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Don Kresch wrote:
Yes but the Pope doesnt share your faith in atheism,
Atheism isn't a faith.
yes it is
and given that few
of us actively choose our beliefs where the hereafter is concerned (in
the sense that no one faith is more *rational* than another, anyway)
yours has no more a claim to primacy than the Mohemedans do.
Given that atheism isn't a faith.....
yes it is... lol
An entirely subjective prejudice, that I'm led to believe, doesnt last
long on the deathbed.
Led like a sheep to slaughter.
I'd sooner be a sheep than a goat, Don.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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18 Sep 2006 01:19:00 PM |
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"the Good Captain" <concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158454099.011812.7190@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Don Kresch wrote:
Yes but the Pope doesnt share your faith in atheism,
Atheism isn't a faith.
Wrong.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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16 Sep 2006 09:47:20 PM |
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On 16 Sep 2006 17:48:19 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
Don Kresch wrote:
Yes but the Pope doesnt share your faith in atheism,
Atheism isn't a faith.
yes it is
Why? Because you think so?
Atheism is a completely neutral position regarding all fantasy
beliefs. There is no evidence for any of that *****.
There is no god(s). That's neutral because 1, we were born that
way, 2, there is not one iota of evidence to even suggest a god(s)
exist.
You make the claim, we don't. It's Pre-school logic. That's why
it's difficult for religers to understand. Your progress into logic
and reasoning can't get up to the Crayon and brown paper stage and
think Finger Painting will change the world.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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16 Sep 2006 10:17:17 PM |
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On 16 Sep 2006 17:48:19 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
Don Kresch wrote:
Yes but the Pope doesnt share your faith in atheism,
Atheism isn't a faith.
yes it is
Yet another arrogant theist who can't think outside the box and
imagines he gets to tell us what is in our minds..
and given that few
of us actively choose our beliefs where the hereafter is concerned (in
the sense that no one faith is more *rational* than another, anyway)
yours has no more a claim to primacy than the Mohemedans do.
Given that atheism isn't a faith.....
yes it is... lol
How so, liar?
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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16 Sep 2006 10:32:56 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet the Good Captain
(concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com) made the light shine upon us with
this:
Don Kresch wrote:
Yes but the Pope doesnt share your faith in atheism,
Atheism isn't a faith.
yes it is
Atheism is the lack of faith in gods. There are probably other things to
be faithful in, like the rising of the sun, or the ability of Miller Lite
to make me pee, but they are irrelevant to atheism, which literally means
non-theist, or non-believer. To make the step to un-believer, one would
have to presuppose the existence of something to deny the existence of.
And *that* would be a faith.
and given that few
of us actively choose our beliefs where the hereafter is concerned
(in the sense that no one faith is more *rational* than another,
anyway) yours has no more a claim to primacy than the Mohemedans do.
Given that atheism isn't a faith.....
yes it is... lol
No it isn't. Look, I came here for an argument.
An entirely subjective prejudice, that I'm led to believe, doesnt
last long on the deathbed.
Led like a sheep to slaughter.
I'd sooner be a sheep than a goat, Don.
That's OK then, Ca-a-a-a-aptain. I'd rather be what I already am.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man")
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17 Sep 2006 05:01:08 AM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Given that atheism isn't a faith.....
yes it is... lol
No it isn't. Look, I came here for an argument.
No you didnt!
Ok, let me make it easy for you atheistic lads. The word 'faith' has a
secular, as well as a religious definition. According to my dictionary
it is: 'Reliance or trust in a belief'. Seeing that the
existence/non-existence of God cannot be proved, the fact that you
believe there is no God is therefore as much an act of faith as those
believe there is. This is not to devalue your faith, merely to
acknowledge it for what it is. As I said to Chris Lee: "Where there is
no proof, there is only faith". Embarrassingly that went straight over
his head but I'm expecting more of you as a Python fan. Dont let me
down.
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18 Sep 2006 01:21:35 PM |
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"the Good Captain" <concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158487268.188682.149550@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Uncle Vic wrote:
Given that atheism isn't a faith.....
yes it is... lol
No it isn't. Look, I came here for an argument.
No you didnt!
Ok, let me make it easy for you atheistic lads. The word 'faith' has a
secular, as well as a religious definition. According to my dictionary
it is: 'Reliance or trust in a belief'. Seeing that the
existence/non-existence of God cannot be proved, the fact that you
believe there is no God
Wrong.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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17 Sep 2006 05:55:57 AM |
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On 17 Sep 2006 03:01:08 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Given that atheism isn't a faith.....
yes it is... lol
No it isn't. Look, I came here for an argument.
No you didnt!
Ok, let me make it easy for you atheistic lads. The word 'faith' has a
secular, as well as a religious definition. According to my dictionary
it is: 'Reliance or trust in a belief'. Seeing that the
So what, moron?
existence/non-existence of God cannot be proved, the fact that you
believe there is no God is therefore as much an act of faith as those
What "believe there is no God", liar?
believe there is. This is not to devalue your faith, merely to
What "faith", liar?
acknowledge it for what it is. As I said to Chris Lee: "Where there is
no proof, there is only faith". Embarrassingly that went straight over
his head but I'm expecting more of you as a Python fan. Dont let me
down.
And you were attacking a strawman of your own devising, liar.
You don't know what an atheist is. And you're too stupid to ask. So
you invent positions we don't have based on presumptions that don't
even apply to us.
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17 Sep 2006 01:24:05 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet the Good Captain
(concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Given that atheism isn't a faith.....
yes it is... lol
No it isn't. Look, I came here for an argument.
No you didnt!
Yes I did!
Ok, let me make it easy for you atheistic lads. The word 'faith' has a
secular, as well as a religious definition. According to my dictionary
it is: 'Reliance or trust in a belief'. Seeing that the
existence/non-existence of God cannot be proved, the fact that you
believe there is no God is therefore as much an act of faith as those
believe there is. This is not to devalue your faith, merely to
acknowledge it for what it is.
You theist lads all make one fatal mistake, which I touched upon in my
last post. You pre-suppose the existence of your god. Once you do this,
you open the door to all sorts of illogic, like believing prayer works.
Or believing the simplest coincidence is a miracle. Or in your case,
thinking atheism is a faith, belief, or religion, when all it is is the
lack of those things.
As I said to Chris Lee: "Where there is
no proof, there is only faith".
Not true. There can also be a hypothesis, an observation, an
understanding, or nothing.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man")
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16 Sep 2006 08:00:39 AM |
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On 16 Sep 2006 05:59:23 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
bob young wrote:
When they [the Muslim fundamentalists] get their fist nuclear device they will use
it on Christians because they think their god would approve of it
Millions dead in the name of imaginary deities.
That the Pope was willing to add fuel to this pending fire may well return to haunt
him.
Yes but the Pope doesnt share your faith in atheism, and given that few
of us actively choose our beliefs where the hereafter is concerned (in
the sense that no one faith is more *rational* than another, anyway)
yours has no more a claim to primacy than the Mohemedans do.
What "faith in atheism" are you pretending that is?
The valid point you made is that should they get the bomb, they would
happily use it in the face of such mild provocations. That is the fact
about them that most people in the West simply arent willing to deal
with.
Emmett's final line below sums it all up rather nicely.
snip< Atheism is merely
the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
An entirely subjective prejudice, that I'm led to believe, doesnt last
long on the deathbed.
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16 Sep 2006 08:11:31 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
What "faith in atheism" are you pretending that is?
Where there is no proof, there is only faith
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16 Sep 2006 08:15:06 AM |
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On 16 Sep 2006 06:11:31 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
What "faith in atheism" are you pretending that is?
Where there is no proof, there is only faith
What are you babbling about?
Atheists are merely people who aren't any king of theist. In spite of
what theists like to pretend, there is a real world outside their
religion, and that not believing intheir favourite deity is no
different than not believing in any of the others. Or even not
believing in Santa Claus.
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16 Sep 2006 08:25:49 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
Where there is no proof, there is only faith
What are you babbling about?
If you have difficulty following a rational argument, try not to post
so quickly
Atheists are merely people who aren't any king of theist.
Absolutely, but how is their position provable?
In spite of
what theists like to pretend, there is a real world outside their
religion, and that not believing intheir favourite deity is no
different than not believing in any of the others. Or even not
believing in Santa Claus.
Again, this is a subjective position. I suggest you reread what I said
and apply logic to it rather than prejudice.
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16 Sep 2006 08:32:25 AM |
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On 16 Sep 2006 06:25:49 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
Where there is no proof, there is only faith
What are you babbling about?
If you have difficulty following a rational argument, try not to post
so quickly
Again, what are you babbling about?
Atheists are merely people who aren't any king of theist.
Absolutely, but how is their position provable?
What is there to prove? Didn't you read the following?
In spite of
what theists like to pretend, there is a real world outside their
religion, and that not believing intheir favourite deity is no
different than not believing in any of the others. Or even not
believing in Santa Claus.
Again, this is a subjective position. I suggest you reread what I said
and apply logic to it rather than prejudice.
*****. It is 100% accurate.
The only prejudice was your pig-ignorant and stupid accusation that
atheism requires faith.
About which you were corrected.
Start thinking in the real world outside your religion.
Why is it so hard to understand that not believing in the god of
soomebody else's religion, is no different than not believing in Santa
Claus?
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16 Sep 2006 09:10:20 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 16 Sep 2006 06:25:49 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
Where there is no proof, there is only faith
What are you babbling about?
If you have difficulty following a rational argument, try not to post
so quickly
Again, what are you babbling about?
Atheists are merely people who aren't any king of theist.
Absolutely, but how is their position provable?
What is there to prove? Didn't you read the following?
In spite of
what theists like to pretend, there is a real world outside their
religion, and that not believing intheir favourite deity is no
different than not believing in any of the others. Or even not
believing in Santa Claus.
Again, this is a subjective position. I suggest you reread what I said
and apply logic to it rather than prejudice.
*****. It is 100% accurate.
The only prejudice was your pig-ignorant and stupid accusation that
atheism requires faith.
About which you were corrected.
Start thinking in the real world outside your religion.
Why is it so hard to understand that not believing in the god of
soomebody else's religion, is no different than not believing in Santa
Claus?
One day you may reread this and realise just how much you've
embarrassed yourself. Until then there isnt really much point in us
talking. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. Anyway, I look forward to your
jolly angry little response...
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16 Sep 2006 09:37:48 AM |
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On 16 Sep 2006 07:10:20 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 16 Sep 2006 06:25:49 -0700, "the Good Captain"
<concerned_citizen77@hotmail.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
Where there is no proof, there is only faith
What are you babbling about?
If you have difficulty following a rational argument, try not to post
so quickly
Again, what are you babbling about?
Atheists are merely people who aren't any king of theist.
Absolutely, but how is their position provable?
What is there to prove? Didn't you read the following?
In spite of
what theists like to pretend, there is a real world outside their
religion, and that not believing intheir favourite deity is no
different than not believing in any of the others. Or even not
believing in Santa Claus.
Again, this is a subjective position. I suggest you reread what I said
and apply logic to it rather than prejudice.
*****. It is 100% accurate.
The only prejudice was your pig-ignorant and stupid accusation that
atheism requires faith.
About which you were corrected.
Start thinking in the real world outside your religion.
Why is it so hard to understand that not believing in the god of
soomebody else's religion, is no different than not believing in Santa
Claus?
Couldn't answer this?
One day you may reread this and realise just how much you've
embarrassed yourself. Until then there isnt really much point in us
talking. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. Anyway, I look forward to your
jolly angry little response...
Hardly. You gave a perfect example of just why so many theists get
treated like brainwashed morons - not because they are theist per se,
but because they can't think outside the box, get people outside it
100% wrong and rather than admit their mistake when corrected, attack
them.
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| User: "bob young" |
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17 Sep 2006 06:38:03 AM |
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the Good Captain wrote:
bob young wrote:
When they [the Muslim fundamentalists] get their fist nuclear device they will use
it on Christians because they think their god would approve of it
Millions dead in the name of imaginary deities.
That the Pope was willing to add fuel to this pending fire may well return to haunt
him.
Yes but the Pope doesnt share your faith in atheism, and given that few
of us actively choose our beliefs where the hereafter is concerned (in
the sense that no one faith is more *rational* than another, anyway)
yours has no more a claim to primacy than the Mohemedans do.
The valid point you made is that should they get the bomb, they would
happily use it in the face of such mild provocations. That is the fact
about them that most people in the West simply arent willing to deal
with.
Emmett's final line below sums it all up rather nicely.
snip< Atheism is merely
the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
An entirely subjective prejudice, that I'm led to believe, doesnt last
long on the deathbed.
Then you obviously still have your blinkers [blinders] on !
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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16 Sep 2006 08:31:36 AM |
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bob young wrote:
"R. Lander" wrote:
=3D> Vox Populi=A9 wrote:
Muslims' anger at pope is growing
Agence France-Presse
Published: September 15, 2006
ISLAMABAD Pope Benedict XVI faced growing Muslim anger Friday over re=
marks in
which he linked Islam with violence, and the Pakistani Parliament cal=
led on him
to retract the statement.
The Pope got it right - more power to him. We all know Islam is an
intolerant, woman-abusing religion, prone to terrorism. I'm tired of
these hypocrites acting hurt when the truth is told. Can't they take an
ounce of criticism with all the "honor killings" and other havoc they
wreak?
When they [the Muslim fundamentalists] get their fist nuclear device they=
will use
it on Christians because they think their god would approve of it
Millions dead in the name of imaginary deities.
That the Pope was willing to add fuel to this pending fire may well retur=
n to haunt
him.
Emmett's final line below sums it all up rather nicely.
bob
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism i=
s human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind can=
not begin
to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old religi=
on, it is
not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has been, a r=
eligion at
all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism =
is merely
the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Atheism is a lack, a hole, a vacuum, a nothing, an absense and
therefore can't
be a "bed-rock" of anything at all.
Stop being such a fool.
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Sep 2006 01:19:01 AM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
bob young wrote:
"R. Lander" wrote:
=> Vox PopuliŠ wrote:
Muslims' anger at pope is growing
Agence France-Presse
Published: September 15, 2006
ISLAMABAD Pope Benedict XVI faced growing Muslim anger Friday over remarks in
which he linked Islam with violence, and the Pakistani Parliament called on him
to retract the statement.
The Pope got it right - more power to him. We all know Islam is an
intolerant, woman-abusing religion, prone to terrorism. I'm tired of
these hypocrites acting hurt when the truth is told. Can't they take an
ounce of criticism with all the "honor killings" and other havoc they
wreak?
When they [the Muslim fundamentalists] get their fist nuclear device they will use
it on Christians because they think their god would approve of it
Millions dead in the name of imaginary deities.
That the Pope was willing to add fuel to this pending fire may well return to haunt
him.
Emmett's final line below sums it all up rather nicely.
bob
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin
to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old religion, it is
not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has been, a religion at
all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism is merely
the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Atheism is a lack, a hole, a vacuum, a nothing,
What a wonderful description of gods in general.
atheism challneges you beleifs, sure, but it does not go to the lengths you just did in
order to do so
an absense and
therefore can't
be a "bed-rock" of anything at all.
Stop being such a fool.
Well let us just assume for one moment that when you were aged two you were
unfortunately orphaned and then let us assume you had been adopted by a Hindu family,
you would now be groveling to a god that has the body of a woman and the head of an
elephant.
Who are really the fools?
Those who question your impossible ser of beliefs, or those who question the 'other lot'
of impossible beliefs'?
<GROAN>
Man of old, the savage,
formed the belief,
the eruption of the volcano
was god's expression of grief.
Man believed the lightning bolt,
for the crops - a blessing of rain,
the curse of flood lending starvation,
was spewed from heavenly gates.
Man believed he could calm divine wrath,
through sacrifice of a virgin pure,
though blood appeased him not,
how the quake continues to tremble the earth.
Man believed the sting of a bee,
the fangs of the serpent, the teeth of a bear
were all signs of divine things,
deities by the dozens, some invented in pairs.
Silly superstitions thrive to this day,
if not for the rationalist, skeptic,
and freethinker,
where would we be?
In Church thumping Bibles, that's where!
See, we've came a long way.
Instead of cracking virgins' skulls,
[with acknowledgements to: Sharon]
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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17 Sep 2006 05:09:49 AM |
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On 15 Sep 2006 09:46:37 -0700, "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
The Pope got it right - more power to him. We all know Islam is an
intolerant, woman-abusing religion, prone to terrorism.
But who is doing the invading? -- the Christian USA and the Jewish
Israel. The Islamic nations have not invaded anyone.
Don't be ridiculous.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
See links to the Lebanon photos that Google censored at
http://mindprod.com/politics/israel.html
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| User: "Adam Albright" |
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15 Sep 2006 12:10:02 PM |
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On 15 Sep 2006 09:46:37 -0700, "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com>
wrote:
=> Vox PopuliŠ wrote:
Muslims' anger at pope is growing
Agence France-Presse
Published: September 15, 2006
ISLAMABAD Pope Benedict XVI faced growing Muslim anger Friday over remarks in
which he linked Islam with violence, and the Pakistani Parliament called on him
to retract the statement.
The Pope got it right - more power to him. We all know Islam is an
intolerant, woman-abusing religion, prone to terrorism. I'm tired of
these hypocrites acting hurt when the truth is told. Can't they take an
ounce of criticism with all the "honor killings" and other havoc they
wreak?
I only wish the Pope would generate more backlash when he tells people
to crank out more babies and overcrowd the world.
R. Lander
Catholics are the biggest religious dummies on the planet. They got
the Muslem chanters beat by a country mile when it comes to pulling
the wool over the eyes of their followers. A good Catholic will sit
quitely following orders from some old fart in Rome that wears a
pointy hat and flowing robes carrying a big stick as he sprinkles
water on people while he mumbles Latin. The pope lives in spendor in
Rome with hundreds of servants often sitting on a throne and looking
pompous while he and the church cardinals haved looked the other way
for centuries while their priests molest boys by the thousands in
churchs all over the world. Catholics go to church praying to cheesy
statues breaking the first Commandment and elevate Mary to "mother of
God" again in direct violation of what the commandments actually say,
"thou shall have no other gods before me"
Dumb doesn't really come close when you start talking about Catholics
and their silly practices from the dark ages that still live on. I
mean how dumb you got to be to have a hefty portion of what your local
church collects as offerings being sent to Rome when you got to know
damn well there will NEVER be a American pope because the cardinals
will never pick one feeling Americans are inferior. Yet American
Catholics have accepted rules about marriage, how, when to have sex,
who to marry, risk getting excommunicated if caught breaking the
rules, allow foreigners to decide who will be their leaders and until
recently tolerated having church services in Latin so you had no idea
what the priest was mumbling and you were told you couldn't eat meat
on Fridays. Yep, those Catholics are something alright. <snicker>
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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16 Sep 2006 08:21:18 AM |
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Adam Albright wrote:
On 15 Sep 2006 09:46:37 -0700, "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com>
wrote:
=3D> Vox Populi=A9 wrote:
Muslims' anger at pope is growing
Agence France-Presse
Published: September 15, 2006
ISLAMABAD Pope Benedict XVI faced growing Muslim anger Friday over rem=
arks in
which he linked Islam with violence, and the Pakistani Parliament call=
ed on him
to retract the statement.
The Pope got it right - more power to him. We all know Islam is an
intolerant, woman-abusing religion, prone to terrorism. I'm tired of
these hypocrites acting hurt when the truth is told. Can't they take an
ounce of criticism with all the "honor killings" and other havoc they
wreak?
I only wish the Pope would generate more backlash when he tells people
to crank out more babies and overcrowd the world.
R. Lander
Catholics are the biggest religious dummies on the planet.
Many of those muslims would cut your head off with a dull knife,
Half-bright.
Catholics would just shake their heads in bemusement at you.
Why can't you see the difference?
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| User: "655321" |
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16 Sep 2006 12:45:31 PM |
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In article <1158412878.572799.282720@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Kurt Nicklas" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Many of those muslims would cut your head off with a dull knife,
How many? I'll make it easier on you and ask for a percentage, rather
than a head count.
--
655321
"Heed the message served with every Republican banquet speech -- that the
private interest precedes the public interest, that money is good for rich
people, bad for poor people -- and who can say that the war in Iraq has proven
to be anything other than the transformation of a godforsaken desert into a
defense contractor's Garden of Eden?" -- Lewis Lapham
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| User: "bob young" |
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16 Sep 2006 01:10:04 AM |
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Adam Albright wrote:
On 15 Sep 2006 09:46:37 -0700, "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com>
wrote:
=> Vox PopuliŠ wrote:
Muslims' anger at pope is growing
Agence France-Presse
Published: September 15, 2006
ISLAMABAD Pope Benedict XVI faced growing Muslim anger Friday over remarks in
which he linked Islam with violence, and the Pakistani Parliament called on him
to retract the statement.
The Pope got it right - more power to him. We all know Islam is an
intolerant, woman-abusing religion, prone to terrorism. I'm tired of
these hypocrites acting hurt when the truth is told. Can't they take an
ounce of criticism with all the "honor killings" and other havoc they
wreak?
I only wish the Pope would generate more backlash when he tells people
to crank out more babies and overcrowd the world.
R. Lander
Catholics are the biggest religious dummies on the planet. They got
the Muslem chanters beat by a country mile when it comes to pulling
the wool over the eyes of their followers. A good Catholic will sit
quitely following orders from some old fart in Rome that wears a
pointy hat and flowing robes carrying a big stick as he sprinkles
water on people while he mumbles Latin. The pope lives in spendor in
Rome with hundreds of servants often sitting on a throne and looking
pompous while he and the church cardinals haved looked the other way
for centuries while their priests molest boys by the thousands in
churchs all over the world. Catholics go to church praying to cheesy
statues breaking the first Commandment and elevate Mary to "mother of
God" again in direct violation of what the commandments actually say,
"thou shall have no other gods before me"
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Dumb doesn't really come close when you start talking about Catholics
and their silly practices from the dark ages that still live on. I
mean how dumb you got to be to have a hefty portion of what your local
church collects as offerings being sent to Rome when you got to know
damn well there will NEVER be a American pope because the cardinals
will never pick one feeling Americans are inferior. Yet American
Catholics have accepted rules about marriage, how, when to have sex,
who to marry, risk getting excommunicated if caught breaking the
rules, allow foreigners to decide who will be their leaders and until
recently tolerated having church services in Latin so you had no idea
what the priest was mumbling and you were told you couldn't eat meat
on Fridays. Yep, those Catholics are something alright. <snicker>
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| User: "Baker" |
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15 Sep 2006 01:12:17 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:46:37 -0700, R. Lander wrote:
=> Vox PopuliŠ wrote:
Muslims' anger at pope is growing
Agence France-Presse
Published: September 15, 2006
ISLAMABAD Pope Benedict XVI faced growing Muslim anger Friday over remarks in
which he linked Islam with violence, and the Pakistani Parliament called on him
to retract the statement.
The Pope got it right - more power to him. We all know Islam is an
intolerant, woman-abusing religion, prone to terrorism. I'm tired of
these hypocrites acting hurt when the truth is told. Can't they take an
ounce of criticism with all the "honor killings" and other havoc they
wreak?
What about the crusades and the vast numbers of people who were killed in
the name of Christianity ? If people want to start religious mudslinging
it could go on forever and no one religion is going to come out looking
too good. What about the fact that outsiders have enacted crusade after
crusade against the middle east throughout the ages. What about the
reality that the vast majority of Islamics are not extremists who are out
to take over the world.
In as far as the pope goes I agree, these Islamists should pipe down and
learn to accept a little criticism. Besides, they are taking the pope out
of context, he didn't say he agreed with this, he was quoting what someone
said back in the 13th century. I think all these religious fanatics need
to pipe down and cool off and stop taking everything so serious.
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16 Sep 2006 08:48:35 AM |
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SERIOUSLY, it's refreshing to see the rise once again of the eternal,
internecine hatred between Christianity and Islam. The world would
certainly be a far better place if the 2 billion benighted followers
of these fear- and ignorance-based "religions" suddenly vanished from
the face of the earth.
WHY these two sects are constantly at war is an unanswered question;
they have more basic SIMILARITIES than dissimilarities:
=B7 Both are human-constructs.
=B7 Both are intolerant of other religions and viewpoints.
=B7 Both urge adherents to hate "infidels."
=B7 Both have histories that mainly are filled with killing, war,
torture, violence, and intentional denial of education for their
followers.
=B7 Both are based on hypocritical, exclusionary doctrines.
=B7 Both teach and insist upon the inferiority of women.
=B7 Both childishly insist that there's an "afterlife" that only
"members" may enter.
=B7 Both teach that their "god" is a wrathful, take-no-prisoners despot
who "guides" his followers by fear and threats of damnation.
=B7 Both fearfully and ignorantly insist that their "holy" books of
fiction and fantasy are the "word of god."
=B7 Both have hierarchies of "holy men" (not women) patterned on
kingdoms, with long legacies of child molestation and rape.
I'm sure some of you can think of other similarities. Point being
that Islam and Christianity are at the top of the world's GREAT
DIVIDERS of HUMAN BEINGS!
And that'll never change.
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"Remarks by Pope Prompt Muslim Outrage, Protests"
"14th-Century Quote Refers to 'Evil' Islam"
By Anthony Shadid
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, September 16, 2006; A01
BEIRUT, Sept. 15 -- A medieval reference in an academic lecture by Pope
Benedict XVI unleashed a wave of denunciations, outrage and frustration
across the Muslim world Friday, with officials in Turkey and Pakistan
condemning the pontiff, Islamic activist groups organizing protests and
a leading religious figure in Lebanon demanding that he personally
apologize.
The reception to the pope's speech in Germany on Tuesday was a reminder
of the precarious, suspicious state of affairs between a West that
often views Islam as a faith in need of reform and a Muslim world that
feels besieged in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Some of the
criticism evoked the Crusades; others accused the Vatican of joining a
Western-led war on Islam.
"We ask him to offer a personal apology -- not through his officials --
to Muslims for this false reading" of Islam, said Grand Ayatollah
Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, one of the world's leading Shiite Muslim
clerics, who lives in Beirut.
The pope began his lecture at the University of Regensburg by quoting
from a 14th-century dialogue between the Byzantine emperor, Manuel II
Paleologos, and a Persian scholar. In a passage on the concept of holy
war, Benedict recited a passage of what he called "startling
brusqueness," in which Manuel questioned the teachings of Islam's
prophet, Muhammad.
"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will
find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the
sword the faith he preached," Benedict quoted the emperor as saying.
The pope neither explicitly endorsed nor denounced the emperor's words,
but rather used them as a preface to a discussion of faith and reason.
The Vatican said the pope did not intend the remarks to be offensive to
Muslims.
"It was certainly not the intention of the Holy Father to undertake a
comprehensive study of the jihad and of Muslim ideas on the subject,
still less to offend the sensibilities of Muslim faithful," Vatican
spokesman Federico Lombardi told Vatican Radio.
But the reaction was quick, and though it was largely peaceful, it
evoked the storm of violent protests that erupted in most Muslim
countries after a Danish newspaper published a series of cartoons a
year ago that lampooned Muhammad. In some ways, the denunciations
seemed even more pronounced, given the pope's stature and authority
over the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics.
Pakistan's parliament adopted a resolution Friday condemning the pope
for what it called derogatory comments and seeking an apology. The
Foreign Ministry summoned the Vatican's ambassador to express regret
over Benedict's remarks.
In Turkey, where Benedict planned to visit in November in his first
trip as pope to a Muslim country, the deputy leader of Turkish Prime
Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Islamic-inspired party called
Benedict's remarks the result of ignorance or a provocation.
"He has a dark mentality that comes from the darkness of the Middle
Ages. He is a poor thing that has not benefited from the spirit of
reform in the Christian world," Salih
Kapusuz told state media. "It looks like an effort to revive the
mentality of the Crusades."
Even the country's secularist opposition party demanded the pope
apologize before his visit to Turkey, which has long been one of the
least ostensibly religious of Muslim countries. News agencies reported
that another party led a demonstration outside the largest mosque in
the capital, Ankara, and about 50 people placed a black wreath outside
the Vatican's diplomatic mission.
About 100 people protested in Egypt, the Arab world's most populous
country, where demonstrators chanted, "Oh Crusaders, oh cowards! Down
with the pope!" Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, the sheik of al-Azhar
University, a leading seat of religious scholarship, said the pope's
remarks indicated "clear ignorance of Islam," and the Muslim
Brotherhood, one of the Middle East's largest and oldest Islamic
groups, called on Muslim governments to sever relations with the
Vatican if the pope does not apologize.
Thousands of Palestinians protested Friday night in Gaza City after
Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, who belongs to the Islamic
Resistance Movement, or Hamas, said the pope's lecture had offended
Muslims everywhere.
"This is another Crusader war against the Arab and Muslim world,"
Ismail Radwan, a Hamas official, told the crowd.
The criticism of the pope's remarks was often twofold: at the reference
of the prophet Muhammad's legacy as "evil and inhuman" and at the idea
that Islam was spread by the sword. Much of the conversion that
followed the prophet's life in the 7th century was a gradual,
centuries-long process that left a remarkable degree of diversity --
albeit faded -- in parts of the Muslim world.
In Iraq, where religious differences have fueled much of the country's
crippling violence, a Catholic representative warned that the pope's
remarks were being distorted to "sow a crisis of chaos and enmity
between the one family of Christians and Muslims."
A statement posted at mosques in Anbar province, a center of the
insurgency, warned that a previously unknown group would begin killing
Iraqi Christians in three days unless the pope apologized. In Basra, a
bomb exploded at the Assyrian Catholic Church on Friday evening,
causing damage but no injuries, according to a church leader who said
the attack stemmed from the pope's remarks.
Across Iraq's sectarian Sunni-Shiite Muslim divide, clerics called the
remarks another campaign against Islam. "Last year, and in the same
month, the Danish cartoons assaulted Islam," Sheik Salah al-Ubaidi, a
representative of Moqtada al-Sadr's radical Shiite movement, said in
the group's stronghold of Kufa.
Special correspondent Saad Sarhan in Najaf, Iraq, contributed to this
report.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/15/AR200609150=
0800.html
R=2E Lander wrote:
=3D> Vox Populi=A9 wrote:
Muslims' anger at pope is growing
Agence France-Presse
Published: September 15, 2006
ISLAMABAD Pope Benedict XVI faced growing Muslim anger Friday over rema=
rks in
which he linked Islam with violence, and the Pakistani Parliament calle=
d on him
to retract the statement.
The Pope got it right - more power to him. We all know Islam is an
intolerant, woman-abusing religion, prone to terrorism. I'm tired of
these hypocrites acting hurt when the truth is told. Can't they take an
ounce of criticism with all the "honor killings" and other havoc they
wreak?
I only wish the Pope would generate more backlash when he tells people
to crank out more babies and overcrowd the world.
=20
R. Lander
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