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Does God Exist Scientifically?
"Does God Exist?" A person's foundational worldview is determined by how you answer
the question. Review the scientific and mathematical evidence for God's existence and
make a decision.
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Does God Exist - A Scientific Inquiry
Does God Exist? The other day I was asked to prove the existence of God. It was a
one-on-one conversation with a skeptical friend, who somehow thrust the burden of
proof on me. He didn't want the religious, moral or philosophical arguments -- He
wanted the scientific "proof."
Does God Exist - Is a Scientific Approach Possible?
When it comes to the question, "Does God Exist," there are really only two possible
conclusions: God either is, or He isn't. There's no half-way. There's no sliding
scale. Whether you're an atheist or whether you're a theist, there's a certain level
of knowledge, and there's a certain level of faith.
I thought for a moment. Can I prove the existence of God -- scientifically? In my
religious/moral/philosophical experience, He's been proven to me. However, my friend
hasn't walked the same journey as me. He wants the facts -- he wants the naturalistic
proof for a supernatural reality.
I came to the conclusion that my friend's question was a fair one. He deserved my
best attempt at an answer. So, I gave it a shot.
Does God Exist - A Scientific Examination of the Evidence
God may not be provable through mathematical formulae or properties of physics, but
we live in an era where the evidence of an Intelligent Designer is all around us.
Just look through the Hubble Telescope and peer to the edge of the massive cosmos.
View the monitor of an electron-scanning microscope and delve into the intricate
world of a microscopic cell. Try to comprehend the massive library of complex
information inherent in the digital code that turns a fertilized egg into a human
being. Study principles of quantum mechanics and investigate the world of
extra-dimensionality. Review the nature of your conscience, subconscious, standards
of morality, and thoughts of religion. Then, try to reconcile all of these realities
with a basic theory of randomness and chaos.
Based on what we know today, I truly believe that atheism (not believing in any kind
of god) is a much bigger "leap of faith" than theism (believing that some kind of god
exists).
I asked my friend, "Have you really thought about some of the evidences for God? Or,
are you presupposing a purely naturalistic world, and closing your eyes to some of
the possible evidence? If I propose some observational evidence, are you even open to
examining it?"
My friend asked me to go on. So, here's my attempt at some basic scientific
observations that point to God:
a.. Causation. God provides the best explanation for the existence of the universe
and all that's in it. (The alternative theory is that "nothing" exploded and resulted
in everything that we see.)
b.. Order. God provides the best explanation for abstract notions such as numbers,
mathematical formulae, chemical-based processes, and natural laws. (The alternative
theory is that the chaotic first elements ordered themselves into complex information
systems.)
c.. Design. God provides the best explanation for the absolute complexity inherent
in cosmological, stellar, planetary, chemical and biological systems. (The
alternative theory is that random chance engineered apparent design.)
d.. Encoded Instructions. God provides the best explanation for the digital DNA
code contained in and controlling the functions of all life on earth. (The
alternative theory is that complex code, such as binary code running computers, can
pop into existence without any kind of programming, testing and debugging process.)
e.. Irreducible Complexity. God provides the best explanation for fully functioning
biological organisms, systems, and subsystems that couldn't come about through
gradual evolutionary process without totally ceasing to exist at lower, evolutionary
levels. (The alternative theory is that biological systems took huge, unseen leaps
from simple to complex without any guided process or forward-looking instructions.)
f.. Duality. God provides the best explanation for the separate human functions of
brain and conscience (matter and mind). (The alternative theory is monism -- only
matter exists and the human brain only appears to have a separate subconscious
ability.)
g.. Morality. God provides the best explanation for the existence of love, emotion,
altruism, and inherent moral/ethical values throughout the world. (The alternative
theory is that unguided materialistic processes evolve higher human consciousness.)
Does God Exist - A Scientific Conclusion
When it comes to the question of "Does God Exist," there are only two scientific
worldviews -- Someone/Something did it, or it did itself. Whether it's the beginning
of the cosmos or the beginning of life, the beginning of mankind or the beginning of
mind, either Someone/Something is responsible for everything we see or it's
responsible for itself.
"Does God Exist?" Is this really a question for science at all? Actually, it seems
this is a matter of forensic science, since we can't re-create the birth of the
universe or the formation of first life in a laboratory. Therefore, we collect the
observable evidence in our world and apply our forensic investigation skills to
analyze its collective meaning. In the end, we all need to collect and examine the
evidence for ourselves. Ultimately, whether couched as scientific inquiry or purely
religious/moral/philosophical faith, it's not a matter for the laboratory. It's a
personal, investigative decision for each and every one of us.
Does God Exist - The Big Questions
Does God exist? An answer to this fundamental question is a prerequisite for
answering the other big questions of life: Where did we come from? Why are we here?
Do we serve a purpose? Do we have any intrinsic value? What happens after we die? The
question of the existence of God is fundamental.
Does God Exist - A Philosophical Issue
Before we ask the question "Does God exist?" we first have to deal with our
philosophical predispositions. If, for example, I am already dedicated to the
philosophical idea that nothing can exist outside of the natural realm (i.e. there
can be no supernatural God), no amount of evidence could convince me otherwise.
Asking the question "does God exist?" would be pointless. My answer would be "No, He
doesn't," regardless of whether God truly exists or not. The question would be
impossible to answer from an evidentiary standpoint simply because anything which God
might have done (that is, any supernatural act which might serve as evidence for His
existence) would have to be explained away in terms of natural causes, not because we
know what those natural causes could possibly be, but simply because a supernatural
God is not allowed to exist!
Dr. Richard Lewontin, the Alexander Agassiz Professor of Zoology at Harvard
University, put it like this: "It is not that the methods and institutions of science
somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on
the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to
create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material
explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the
uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine
Foot in the door" (Richard Lewontin, "Billions and Billions of Demons," New York
Review of Books, January 9, 1997, p. 28).
If, on the other hand, I were neutral, and didn't already have an "a priori
adherence" to a particular worldview (be it naturalistic or otherwise), the question
"does God really exist?" wouldn't be pointless at all. Rather, it would be the first
step in an objective and meaningful search for ultimate truth. Our willingness to ask
the question with an open mind is fundamental to our ability to discover the truth
behind the answer. So first of all, before you even ask the question, decide whether
or not you're really willing to accept the answer.
Does God Exist - Things to Consider
Once you're ready to ask the question, "does God exist?" here are a few observations
to consider as you begin your search for an objective answer:
a.. Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe
did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
b.. Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded
in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands
upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information
requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
c.. Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising
from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In
fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via
unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?
d.. The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and
what purpose do they serve?
e.. Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible
explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right
and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?
f.. People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and
old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally
experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these
prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and
other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be
sure, but is there something more?
If your curiosity has been piqued and you desire to look into this matter further, we
recommend that you consider the world's assortment of so-called Holy Books. If God
does exist, has He revealed Himself? And if He has revealed Himself, surely He
exists...
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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13 Oct 2007 09:23:06 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:48:30 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
<theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
It's all or nothing, jackass. God can't "partially" exist,
just like your sister can't be half-pregnant. Either she is
or she isn't.
Is that what Jesus would say?
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If you wouldn't say it in person, why say it online?
To email me, just remove the underscores.
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| User: "walksalone" |
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13 Oct 2007 05:31:12 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:55:25 -0700, Logician wrote:
On 13 Oct, 18:14, "John Smith" <bobsyoung...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Logician" <sa...@logicians.com> wrote in message
news:1192271500.799631.170120@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic).
No; it's blatant stupidity.
You claim God does not exist "at all" so the word refers to something
that does not exist at all? You think that's logical?
I think, I think, I think you need a better education than you have had
already. Or, if you have not yet had an education, that you obtain one.
This will allow for you to understand the concepts which are understood not
to exist can be discussed.
Take the concept of god, what does that mean do you, why does it mean that
to you. It's gibberish to me, but for some people it is simply a concept,
and they would be unable to make it through the day without it.
Inasmuch as this particular god is capitalized, that indicates it's one of
the three Abrahamic gods, also known as one of the terrible trio from the
Middle Eastern desert region. Given that in a basic understanding of the
mythology of xianity, I can conclude beyond reasonable doubt. There is no
such animal. It's not a real complicated procedure. Logically, claims are
self-contradictory indicate confusion on the part of the claimant, a claims
they cancel each other indicate a concept that does not function. Or
exist.
One of the nice things about logic, it does not have to be true, simply
logical.
Even with that in mind, the concept of a god with a capital G. is
illogical, as well as unnecessary.
Perhaps, you can bring some new information to the table, or you can
quibble and pretend that you have a point. In the xian newsgroup, you may
have a point, in the atheist newsgroup, all you have the hot air. Hot air
that the atheist group has already been exposed to and can see right
through.
This may offend your sensibilities and frankly, I do not care. For you to
pretend the concept indicates a real entity, and then further that joke by
pretending atheists should take you seriously indicates that you are here
for a martyr points only.
You cannot have any more, more points, those are reserved for John W. of
the Baptist newsgroup, who may or may not join us. He does not know how to
use his newsreader. So there's no telling how this will go. When he is
concerned.
walksalone who has to grin when he realizes how uneducated he was until he
set down and start reading, and then asking questions and getting answers
from people who knew what I was asking about. Frequently, I found myself
in an unenviable position, the position of where I had to change my mind,
because that's what the evidence said was correct. It pissed me off, but
did not change just because I wanted it to. And that's the way it should
be.
Next.
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| User: "¥ UltraMan ¥" |
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13 Oct 2007 08:09:35 AM |
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"Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote in message
news:1192271500.799631.170120@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic). It
may exist only in the Bible, and other peoples, but that is a form of
existance.
I think what you are really asking is something more than does God
exist, but how was the world made, is there life after death, and
similar questions. The word God is said to answer all such questions.
So the word really means what we don't know.
So the answer is yes God (clearly) does exist, and you need to ask the
right question.
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Well now I'm discussing pig-ignorant superstitious imbeciles
like you, so you must exist as a pig-ignorant superstitious imbecile,
you stammering jackass.
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| User: "John Doe" |
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13 Oct 2007 08:42:20 AM |
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Logician wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic). It
may exist only in the Bible, and other peoples, but that is a form of
existance.
I think what you are really asking is something more than does God
exist, but how was the world made, is there life after death, and
similar questions. The word God is said to answer all such questions.
So the word really means what we don't know.
So the answer is yes God (clearly) does exist, and you need to ask the
right question.
Hey, lets talk about Kylzyattals. They are neat! They look like
Manattess but they can change into any shape they want. They can fly,
and swim as well. They also travel to other planets.
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| User: "John Smith" |
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13 Oct 2007 12:17:08 PM |
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"John Doe" <none@a.com> wrote in message
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Logician wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic). It
may exist only in the Bible, and other peoples, but that is a form of
existance.
I think what you are really asking is something more than does God
exist, but how was the world made, is there life after death, and
similar questions. The word God is said to answer all such questions.
So the word really means what we don't know.
So the answer is yes God (clearly) does exist, and you need to ask the
right question.
Hey, lets talk about Kylzyattals. They are neat! They look like Manattess
but they can change into any shape they want. They can fly, and swim as
well. They also travel to other planets.
Yea ......... but they're too wild to paper train.
Let's not even TALK about the hair balls!
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| User: "Logician" |
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13 Oct 2007 03:59:28 PM |
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On 13 Oct, 14:42, John Doe <n...@a.com> wrote:
Logician wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic). It
may exist only in the Bible, and other peoples, but that is a form of
existance.
I think what you are really asking is something more than does God
exist, but how was the world made, is there life after death, and
similar questions. The word God is said to answer all such questions.
So the word really means what we don't know.
So the answer is yes God (clearly) does exist, and you need to ask the
right question.
Hey, lets talk about Kylzyattals. They are neat! They look like
Manattess but they can change into any shape they want. They can fly,
and swim as well. They also travel to other planets.- Hide quoted text -
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So they exist in this thread. But since they exist no where else, the
credibility of the text you wrote is limited,
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13 Oct 2007 05:51:51 PM |
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"Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote in message
On 13 Oct, 14:42, John Doe <n...@a.com> wrote:
Logician wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic). It
may exist only in the Bible, and other peoples, but that is a form of
existance.
I think what you are really asking is something more than does God
exist, but how was the world made, is there life after death, and
similar questions. The word God is said to answer all such questions.
So the word really means what we don't know.
So the answer is yes God (clearly) does exist, and you need to ask the
right question.
Hey, lets talk about Kylzyattals. They are neat! They look like
Manattess but they can change into any shape they want. They can fly,
and swim as well. They also travel to other planets.- Hide quoted text -
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So they exist in this thread. But since they exist no where else, the
credibility of the text you wrote is limited,
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So repetition breeds "credibility" in your delusional world, eh?
I just printed out what John Doe asserted, so now it exists here on
usenet AND in print 1000s of miles away. It really must be "credible"
now, eh?
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13 Oct 2007 07:49:57 AM |
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On Oct 13, 6:31 am, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic).
You're full of *****. Since we're discussing it, it must be true.
..=2E.snip...
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| User: "¥ UltraMan ¥" |
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13 Oct 2007 08:10:02 AM |
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"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1192279797.943977.9190@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 6:31 am, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic).
You're full of *****. Since we're discussing it, it must be true.
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Seconded.
....snip...
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| User: "Logician" |
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13 Oct 2007 03:56:58 PM |
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On 13 Oct, 14:10, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
"Andres64" <andres...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1192279797.943977.9190@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 6:31 am, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic).
You're full of *****. Since we're discussing it, it must be true.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Seconded.
...snip...
No! It is not about true or false but existing or not existing. Does a
myth exist?
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| User: "_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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13 Oct 2007 05:49:40 PM |
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"Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote in message
On 13 Oct, 14:10, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
"Andres64" <andres...@excite.com> wrote in message
On Oct 13, 6:31 am, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic).
You're full of *****. Since we're discussing it, it must be true.
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Seconded.
...snip...
No! It is not about true or false but existing or not existing. Does a
myth exist?
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Only in the minds of the superstitious imbeciles who believe it.
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| User: "Tokay Pino Gris" |
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14 Oct 2007 08:18:43 AM |
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Logician wrote:
On 13 Oct, 14:10, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
"Andres64" <andres...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1192279797.943977.9190@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 6:31 am, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic).
You're full of *****. Since we're discussing it, it must be true.
=====
Seconded.
...snip...
No! It is not about true or false but existing or not existing. Does a
myth exist?
Give it up. I am having a similar discussion in another thread.
The "Myth" exits. But it is not true.
Even "God" exists. Or rather, the "concept of gods" exit. Does that mean
there really is a sky pixie with an attitude around? No, of course not.
Tokay
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Most people never listen.
Ernest Hemingway
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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14 Oct 2007 06:27:18 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:18:43 +0200, Tokay Pino Gris
<tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:
Logician wrote:
On 13 Oct, 14:10, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
"Andres64" <andres...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1192279797.943977.9190@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 6:31 am, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic).
You're full of *****. Since we're discussing it, it must be true.
=====
Seconded.
...snip...
No! It is not about true or false but existing or not existing. Does a
myth exist?
Give it up. I am having a similar discussion in another thread.
The "Myth" exits. But it is not true.
Even "God" exists. Or rather, the "concept of gods" exit. Does that mean
there really is a sky pixie with an attitude around? No, of course not.
Probably with this troll's other sock, I expect.
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| User: "Andres64" |
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14 Oct 2007 11:16:23 AM |
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On Oct 13, 4:56 pm, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct, 14:10, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
"Andres64" <andres...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1192279797.943977.9190@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 6:31 am, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.j=
p>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic).
You're full of *****. Since we're discussing it, it must be true.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Seconded.
...snip...
No! It is not about true or false but existing or not existing. Does a
myth exist?
Does the *myth* exist? Obviously. Does the being in the myth
actually exist? No.
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| User: "walksalone" |
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13 Oct 2007 05:32:25 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:56:58 -0700, Logician wrote:
On 13 Oct, 14:10, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
"Andres64" <andres...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1192279797.943977.9190@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 6:31 am, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic).
You're full of *****. Since we're discussing it, it must be true.
=====
Seconded.
...snip...
No! It is not about true or false but existing or not existing. Does a
myth exist?
Yes. The source of the myth is something else and may or may not exist.
Walksalone.
Next
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Oct 2007 04:00:24 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:31:40 -0700, Logician <sales@logicians.com>
wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic). It
may exist only in the Bible, and other peoples, but that is a form of
existance.
I think what you are really asking is something more than does God
exist, but how was the world made, is there life after death, and
similar questions. The word God is said to answer all such questions.
So the word really means what we don't know.
So the answer is yes God (clearly) does exist, and you need to ask the
right question.
The actual question (not spelled out in alt.atheism, because adults
understand it without being told) is, "does God objectively exist"? Of
course it exists in people's minds - the fact that it's being
discussed makes that so plain that no one would question it.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
- A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
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14 Oct 2007 01:37:48 AM |
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On 13 Oct, 22:00, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:31:40 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com>
wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic). It
may exist only in the Bible, and other peoples, but that is a form of
existance.
I think what you are really asking is something more than does God
exist, but how was the world made, is there life after death, and
similar questions. The word God is said to answer all such questions.
So the word really means what we don't know.
So the answer is yes God (clearly) does exist, and you need to ask the
right question.
The actual question (not spelled out in alt.atheism, because adults
understand it without being told) is, "does God objectively exist"? Of
course it exists in people's minds - the fact that it's being
discussed makes that so plain that no one would question it.
You did not comment on the reply that was source of my reply which
said "God does not exist at all."
Since God is an abstract object, you cannot produce a physical
argument proving a physical existence since no one claims a physical
existence. Do thoughts exist?
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all th=
at exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human bein=
gs."
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14 Oct 2007 07:58:28 AM |
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"Logician" <sales@logicians.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1192343868.756762.119110@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On 13 Oct, 22:00, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:31:40 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com>
wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic). It
may exist only in the Bible, and other peoples, but that is a form of
existance.
I think what you are really asking is something more than does God
exist, but how was the world made, is there life after death, and
similar questions. The word God is said to answer all such questions.
So the word really means what we don't know.
So the answer is yes God (clearly) does exist, and you need to ask the
right question.
The actual question (not spelled out in alt.atheism, because adults
understand it without being told) is, "does God objectively exist"? Of
course it exists in people's minds - the fact that it's being
discussed makes that so plain that no one would question it.
You did not comment on the reply that was source of my reply which
said "God does not exist at all."
Since God is an abstract object, you cannot produce a physical
argument proving a physical existence since no one claims a physical
existence. Do thoughts exist?
Pedants certainly exist.
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14 Oct 2007 02:58:24 PM |
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On 14 Oct, 13:58, "tonycroshaw" <tompno...@mail.com> wrote:
"Logician" <sa...@logicians.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:1192343868.756=
762.119110@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On 13 Oct, 22:00, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:31:40 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com>
wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic). It
may exist only in the Bible, and other peoples, but that is a form of
existance.
I think what you are really asking is something more than does God
exist, but how was the world made, is there life after death, and
similar questions. The word God is said to answer all such questions.
So the word really means what we don't know.
So the answer is yes God (clearly) does exist, and you need to ask the
right question.
The actual question (not spelled out in alt.atheism, because adults
understand it without being told) is, "does God objectively exist"? Of
course it exists in people's minds - the fact that it's being
discussed makes that so plain that no one would question it.
You did not comment on the reply that was source of my reply which
said "God does not exist at all."
Since God is an abstract object, you cannot produce a physical
argument proving a physical existence since no one claims a physical
existence. Do thoughts exist?
Pedants certainly exist.- Hide quoted text -
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Try a mirror to check that.
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15 Oct 2007 04:00:59 PM |
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On 14 okt, 14:58, "tonycroshaw" <tompno...@mail.com> wrote:
"Logician" <sa...@logicians.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:1192343868.756=
762.119110@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On 13 Oct, 22:00, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:31:40 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com>
wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic). It
may exist only in the Bible, and other peoples, but that is a form of
existance.
I think what you are really asking is something more than does God
exist, but how was the world made, is there life after death, and
similar questions. The word God is said to answer all such questions.
So the word really means what we don't know.
So the answer is yes God (clearly) does exist, and you need to ask the
right question.
The actual question (not spelled out in alt.atheism, because adults
understand it without being told) is, "does God objectively exist"? Of
course it exists in people's minds - the fact that it's being
discussed makes that so plain that no one would question it.
You did not comment on the reply that was source of my reply which
said "God does not exist at all."
Since God is an abstract object, you cannot produce a physical
argument proving a physical existence since no one claims a physical
existence. Do thoughts exist?
Pedants certainly exist.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven=
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Thoughts indeed do exist,
they can even be detected by some methods
even though there is no saying what the thought is
we can already see whether we are pondering about words, about maps or
about artihmetic. Thoughts are activities in the brain.
Very, very physical!
Peter van Velzen
October 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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14 Oct 2007 10:12:53 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:58:28 +0200, "tonycroshaw" <tompnoadd@mail.com>
wrote:
Since God is an abstract object
The claim is self-contradictory - if God is abstract it's not an
object, it's a concept. Objects exist (naturally) objectively,
concepts exist only subjectively.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"A truly unselfish act would be a Christian volunteering to have his soul take your
soul's place in hell, so yours could go to Heaven. Don't hold your breath."
- John Popelish
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14 Oct 2007 09:38:06 AM |
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:58:28 +0200, "tonycroshaw" <tompnoadd@mail.com> wrote:
Since God is an abstract object, you cannot produce a physical
argument proving a physical existence since no one claims a physical
existence. Do thoughts exist?
Yes, and we are becoming able to map the electrical activity in the brain that
produces them (i.e., trace the physical basis for the abstract thought).
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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14 Oct 2007 03:09:04 AM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:37:48 -0700, Logician <sales@logicians.com>
wrote:
On 13 Oct, 22:00, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:31:40 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com>
wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic). It
may exist only in the Bible, and other peoples, but that is a form of
existance.
I think what you are really asking is something more than does God
exist, but how was the world made, is there life after death, and
similar questions. The word God is said to answer all such questions.
So the word really means what we don't know.
So the answer is yes God (clearly) does exist, and you need to ask the
right question.
The actual question (not spelled out in alt.atheism, because adults
understand it without being told) is, "does God objectively exist"? Of
course it exists in people's minds - the fact that it's being
discussed makes that so plain that no one would question it.
You did not comment on the reply that was source of my reply which
said "God does not exist at all."
Since God is an abstract object, you cannot produce a physical
argument proving a physical existence since no one claims a physical
existence. Do thoughts exist?
Not in your addled head, no.
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14 Oct 2007 03:17:12 AM |
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On Oct 14, 9:09 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:37:48 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com>
wrote:
On 13 Oct, 22:00, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:31:40 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com>
wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:13 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.j=
p>
wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
No.
He does not exist at all, let alone 'scientifically'.
Funny that you are both discussing something that does not exist!
Since you are dicussing it, it must exist (that is basic logic). It
may exist only in the Bible, and other peoples, but that is a form of
existance.
I think what you are really asking is something more than does God
exist, but how was the world made, is there life after death, and
similar questions. The word God is said to answer all such questions.
So the word really means what we don't know.
So the answer is yes God (clearly) does exist, and you need to ask the
right question.
The actual question (not spelled out in alt.atheism, because adults
understand it without being told) is, "does God objectively exist"? Of
course it exists in people's minds - the fact that it's being
discussed makes that so plain that no one would question it.
You did not comment on the reply that was source of my reply which
said "God does not exist at all."
Since God is an abstract object, you cannot produce a physical
argument proving a physical existence since no one claims a physical
existence. Do thoughts exist?
Not in your addled head, no.- Hide quoted text -
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Such a predictable answer from a caveman. I guess it must be time for
your daily hunt to gather food for your wench and your straggling
child, followed by your worship of a rock or a tree.
I have copied a link for your feeble mind to follow:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence
Maybe it will help you. Of course, since your IQ is about 50 it will
hard for you. Maybe ask your wench to help you after she has finished
with her prostitution services for the night.
Let me know when you migrate from the animal kingdom to the human one.
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| Title: Re: ~~ Does God Exist Scientifically? <= allaboutgod.com says so ~~ |
14 Oct 2007 10:11:07 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:17:12 -0700, Logician <sales@logicians.com>
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I have copied a link for your feeble mind to follow:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence
I'd post a link to "English", but I'm giving you the benefit of the
doubt.
The claim that the Christian god objectively exists (which
Christianity DOES claim) is the claim that Christianity has objective
evidence of that existence. That's how the words work.
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"If we really know Truth, we do not fear hearing falsehoods or half-truths;
if we are not sure of the truth - we shudder and try to shout down every utterance."
- A. J. Mims
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Does God Exist Scientifically? <= allaboutgod.com says so ~~ |
14 Oct 2007 10:09:20 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:37:48 -0700, Logician <sales@logicians.com>
wrote:
You did not comment on the reply that was source of my reply which
said "God does not exist at all."
Since God is an abstract object, you cannot produce a physical
argument proving a physical existence since no one claims a physical
existence. Do thoughts exist?
Christians claim objective existence of God, so there must be
objective evidence. (The claim of objective existence is the claim to
HAVE objective evidence.) Whether it's physical or not depends on
whether the claim is for physical existence or not, but it's totally
irrelevant to the claim of OBJECTIVE existence.
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "John Smith" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Does God Exist Scientifically? <= allaboutgod.com says so ~~ |
15 Oct 2007 12:09:34 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:rbm5h31ctia1kiqm69l2at7n7u5vfsme5a@4ax.com...
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:37:48 -0700, Logician <sales@logicians.com>
wrote:
You did not comment on the reply that was source of my reply which
said "God does not exist at all."
Since God is an abstract object, you cannot produce a physical
argument proving a physical existence since no one claims a physical
existence. Do thoughts exist?
Christians claim objective existence of God, so there must be
objective evidence.
Totally illogical.
"Claims" do not equal substance.
(The claim of objective existence is the claim to
HAVE objective evidence.) Whether it's physical or not depends on
whether the claim is for physical existence or not, but it's totally
irrelevant to the claim of OBJECTIVE existence.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Does God Exist Scientifically? <= allaboutgod.com says so ~~ |
15 Oct 2007 12:04:49 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:09:34 GMT, "John Smith"
<bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:rbm5h31ctia1kiqm69l2at7n7u5vfsme5a@4ax.com...
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:37:48 -0700, Logician <sales@logicians.com>
wrote:
You did not comment on the reply that was source of my reply which
said "God does not exist at all."
Since God is an abstract object, you cannot produce a physical
argument proving a physical existence since no one claims a physical
existence. Do thoughts exist?
Christians claim objective existence of God, so there must be
objective evidence.
Totally illogical.
"Claims" do not equal substance.
The claim is of objective evidence. "There must be" - according to
THEIR claim.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"Christianity has already had the chance to govern
the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
- Bill, The Avender
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| User: "John Smith" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Does God Exist Scientifically? <= allaboutgod.com says so ~~ |
16 Oct 2007 06:39:57 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:hb77h3dmdo1ls3o5e46ljhmagvalfp597p@4ax.com...
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:09:34 GMT, "John Smith"
<bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:rbm5h31ctia1kiqm69l2at7n7u5vfsme5a@4ax.com...
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:37:48 -0700, Logician <sales@logicians.com>
wrote:
You did not comment on the reply that was source of my reply which
said "God does not exist at all."
Since God is an abstract object, you cannot produce a physical
argument proving a physical existence since no one claims a physical
existence. Do thoughts exist?
Christians claim objective existence of God, so there must be
objective evidence.
Totally illogical.
"Claims" do not equal substance.
The claim is of objective evidence. "There must be" - according to
THEIR claim.
Sorry - did I uninitentionally step on your toes?
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"Christianity has already had the chance to govern
the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
- Bill, The Avender
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Does God Exist Scientifically? <= allaboutgod.com says so ~~ |
16 Oct 2007 07:46:09 AM |
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:39:57 GMT, "John Smith"
<bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:hb77h3dmdo1ls3o5e46ljhmagvalfp597p@4ax.com...
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:09:34 GMT, "John Smith"
<bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:rbm5h31ctia1kiqm69l2at7n7u5vfsme5a@4ax.com...
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:37:48 -0700, Logician <sales@logicians.com>
wrote:
You did not comment on the reply that was source of my reply which
said "God does not exist at all."
Since God is an abstract object, you cannot produce a physical
argument proving a physical existence since no one claims a physical
existence. Do thoughts exist?
Christians claim objective existence of God, so there must be
objective evidence.
Totally illogical.
"Claims" do not equal substance.
The claim is of objective evidence. "There must be" - according to
THEIR claim.
Sorry - did I uninitentionally step on your toes?
No, you unintentionally misunderstood me.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
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