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Does God Exist Scientifically?
"Does God Exist?" A person's foundational worldview is determined by how you answer
the question. Review the scientific and mathematical evidence for God's existence and
make a decision.
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Does God Exist - A Scientific Inquiry
Does God Exist? The other day I was asked to prove the existence of God. It was a
one-on-one conversation with a skeptical friend, who somehow thrust the burden of
proof on me. He didn't want the religious, moral or philosophical arguments -- He
wanted the scientific "proof."
Does God Exist - Is a Scientific Approach Possible?
When it comes to the question, "Does God Exist," there are really only two possible
conclusions: God either is, or He isn't. There's no half-way. There's no sliding
scale. Whether you're an atheist or whether you're a theist, there's a certain level
of knowledge, and there's a certain level of faith.
I thought for a moment. Can I prove the existence of God -- scientifically? In my
religious/moral/philosophical experience, He's been proven to me. However, my friend
hasn't walked the same journey as me. He wants the facts -- he wants the naturalistic
proof for a supernatural reality.
I came to the conclusion that my friend's question was a fair one. He deserved my
best attempt at an answer. So, I gave it a shot.
Does God Exist - A Scientific Examination of the Evidence
God may not be provable through mathematical formulae or properties of physics, but
we live in an era where the evidence of an Intelligent Designer is all around us.
Just look through the Hubble Telescope and peer to the edge of the massive cosmos.
View the monitor of an electron-scanning microscope and delve into the intricate
world of a microscopic cell. Try to comprehend the massive library of complex
information inherent in the digital code that turns a fertilized egg into a human
being. Study principles of quantum mechanics and investigate the world of
extra-dimensionality. Review the nature of your conscience, subconscious, standards
of morality, and thoughts of religion. Then, try to reconcile all of these realities
with a basic theory of randomness and chaos.
Based on what we know today, I truly believe that atheism (not believing in any kind
of god) is a much bigger "leap of faith" than theism (believing that some kind of god
exists).
I asked my friend, "Have you really thought about some of the evidences for God? Or,
are you presupposing a purely naturalistic world, and closing your eyes to some of
the possible evidence? If I propose some observational evidence, are you even open to
examining it?"
My friend asked me to go on. So, here's my attempt at some basic scientific
observations that point to God:
a.. Causation. God provides the best explanation for the existence of the universe
and all that's in it. (The alternative theory is that "nothing" exploded and resulted
in everything that we see.)
b.. Order. God provides the best explanation for abstract notions such as numbers,
mathematical formulae, chemical-based processes, and natural laws. (The alternative
theory is that the chaotic first elements ordered themselves into complex information
systems.)
c.. Design. God provides the best explanation for the absolute complexity inherent
in cosmological, stellar, planetary, chemical and biological systems. (The
alternative theory is that random chance engineered apparent design.)
d.. Encoded Instructions. God provides the best explanation for the digital DNA
code contained in and controlling the functions of all life on earth. (The
alternative theory is that complex code, such as binary code running computers, can
pop into existence without any kind of programming, testing and debugging process.)
e.. Irreducible Complexity. God provides the best explanation for fully functioning
biological organisms, systems, and subsystems that couldn't come about through
gradual evolutionary process without totally ceasing to exist at lower, evolutionary
levels. (The alternative theory is that biological systems took huge, unseen leaps
from simple to complex without any guided process or forward-looking instructions.)
f.. Duality. God provides the best explanation for the separate human functions of
brain and conscience (matter and mind). (The alternative theory is monism -- only
matter exists and the human brain only appears to have a separate subconscious
ability.)
g.. Morality. God provides the best explanation for the existence of love, emotion,
altruism, and inherent moral/ethical values throughout the world. (The alternative
theory is that unguided materialistic processes evolve higher human consciousness.)
Does God Exist - A Scientific Conclusion
When it comes to the question of "Does God Exist," there are only two scientific
worldviews -- Someone/Something did it, or it did itself. Whether it's the beginning
of the cosmos or the beginning of life, the beginning of mankind or the beginning of
mind, either Someone/Something is responsible for everything we see or it's
responsible for itself.
"Does God Exist?" Is this really a question for science at all? Actually, it seems
this is a matter of forensic science, since we can't re-create the birth of the
universe or the formation of first life in a laboratory. Therefore, we collect the
observable evidence in our world and apply our forensic investigation skills to
analyze its collective meaning. In the end, we all need to collect and examine the
evidence for ourselves. Ultimately, whether couched as scientific inquiry or purely
religious/moral/philosophical faith, it's not a matter for the laboratory. It's a
personal, investigative decision for each and every one of us.
Does God Exist - The Big Questions
Does God exist? An answer to this fundamental question is a prerequisite for
answering the other big questions of life: Where did we come from? Why are we here?
Do we serve a purpose? Do we have any intrinsic value? What happens after we die? The
question of the existence of God is fundamental.
Does God Exist - A Philosophical Issue
Before we ask the question "Does God exist?" we first have to deal with our
philosophical predispositions. If, for example, I am already dedicated to the
philosophical idea that nothing can exist outside of the natural realm (i.e. there
can be no supernatural God), no amount of evidence could convince me otherwise.
Asking the question "does God exist?" would be pointless. My answer would be "No, He
doesn't," regardless of whether God truly exists or not. The question would be
impossible to answer from an evidentiary standpoint simply because anything which God
might have done (that is, any supernatural act which might serve as evidence for His
existence) would have to be explained away in terms of natural causes, not because we
know what those natural causes could possibly be, but simply because a supernatural
God is not allowed to exist!
Dr. Richard Lewontin, the Alexander Agassiz Professor of Zoology at Harvard
University, put it like this: "It is not that the methods and institutions of science
somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on
the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to
create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material
explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the
uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine
Foot in the door" (Richard Lewontin, "Billions and Billions of Demons," New York
Review of Books, January 9, 1997, p. 28).
If, on the other hand, I were neutral, and didn't already have an "a priori
adherence" to a particular worldview (be it naturalistic or otherwise), the question
"does God really exist?" wouldn't be pointless at all. Rather, it would be the first
step in an objective and meaningful search for ultimate truth. Our willingness to ask
the question with an open mind is fundamental to our ability to discover the truth
behind the answer. So first of all, before you even ask the question, decide whether
or not you're really willing to accept the answer.
Does God Exist - Things to Consider
Once you're ready to ask the question, "does God exist?" here are a few observations
to consider as you begin your search for an objective answer:
a.. Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe
did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
b.. Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded
in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands
upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information
requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
c.. Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising
from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In
fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via
unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?
d.. The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and
what purpose do they serve?
e.. Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible
explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right
and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?
f.. People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and
old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally
experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these
prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and
other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be
sure, but is there something more?
If your curiosity has been piqued and you desire to look into this matter further, we
recommend that you consider the world's assortment of so-called Holy Books. If God
does exist, has He revealed Himself? And if He has revealed Himself, surely He
exists...
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:17:35 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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You don't know that! You piece of *****!
Is this any way for a self-proclaimed 'man of God' to speak?
How many converts do you imagine you'll win over with this, John?
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15 Oct 2007 10:39:52 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:37:55 -0400, wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:17:35 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You don't know that! You piece of *****!
Is this any way for a self-proclaimed 'man of God' to speak?
I suggest you worry about your MOUNTAIN of unconfessed sins, Elaine
the Insane, and let me worry about my molehill!
How many converts do you imagine you'll win over with this, John?
You would not believe the converts I've led to Christ. It's called
"being REAL." That's a concept you know ZERO / NADA / NOTHING about.
You are phony, phony, phony.
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16 Oct 2007 06:25:57 AM |
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john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
news:c4f7h3lcircrpta9o7l0pj3cfsegtms1ak@4ax.com wanted to assure
everybody that he really does not know anything much about US copyright
law. And a fine job he has just done.
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:44:21 -0600, "„ UltraMan „" <ultra@man.jp>
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© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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From: john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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Claimed copyright ignored.
Violation of PROMINENT copyright NOTED!
What copyright? Are you still pretending that you have a copyright that
you can enforce? Or are you simply assuming that you have a copyright.
You can enforce because you only read one page of a web site? Are you
always this dense, or is this a special effort to impress yourself.
"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:37:24 GMT, "John Smith"
"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "„ UltraMan „"
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What did you gain by attacking Iraq, jackass ?
????
What are you talking about? I didn't attack Iraq!
Of course you didn't, you too gutless. You'd let somebody else go and
die, but you will take a chance on getting hurt. If you can avoid, with
somebody else's son do so. Never mind your worthless and society could
afford to lose you, never mind. You failed to do with your gods wanted
for you when you avoided the draft by joining the Air Force, which you
later had pretended you were drafted in to. Or was that you pretended
from the start, it seems I have some of those posturings.
You supported that Crime Against Humanity you piece of *****.
You don't know that! You piece of *****!
You certainly do, and people certainly know that. You do not speak out
against the war, therefore, you support it. Actively support it.
Removal of standard Jonny playacting.
which wannabe this time Jonny, the suffering village idiot that assumes
nobody can understand what you are pretending to be, that others cannot
read in context like yourself, or that everybody else is as stupid as you
demonstrate yourself to be.
walksalone, who still has a chuckle when Jonny tries to play the
copyright card, a specially when Jonny does not understand what it takes
to have a valid copyright. That is, enforceable, recognized, and
protected.
And now, another instance of Jonny playing to the fourth wall, you have
to watch those thespians.
Then, rather than providing the help or information requested, which
obviously walks doesn't have, he spends the entire post pouring his
venom on me.
jw 19 Apr 2003
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:10:52 -0600, "„ UltraMan „" <ultra@man.jp>
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© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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Claimed copyright ignored.
Violation of PROMINENT copyright NOTED!
You have no copyright, your copyright is only in your imagination, and in
violation of United States and Berne Treaty requirements. It would
appear that you are one of those individuals that stops reading. When
they see what they want to see, perchance, this is why you are a xian?
"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:37:24 GMT, "John Smith"
"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "„ UltraMan „"
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What did you gain by attacking Iraq, jackass ?
????
What are you talking about? I didn't attack Iraq!
But you have supported the invasion.
You supported that Crime Against Humanity you piece of *****.
You don't know that! You piece of *****!
Oh, but many people do. You wrote in support of the invasion, and,
therefore, you support.
Jackass!
And before you judge, it's usually SMART to wait 10 or 20 years
after such an event, and see how things play out!
How xian, wait 10 or 20 years, and if things go well, it was a good
thing. If things go bad, blame somebody else. Is that not the story of
your life?
Why not wait 2000 years, moron?
Because the current chief, chicken Little is going to give them their
front seat for the end of the world? Is that not what xians want? I can
only hope that some survive such an event and realize how wrong they
really were.
Aherah
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And I wonder what YOU gain by ATTACKING people who don't share your
POV.
Whether something objectively exists isn't a point of view, it's
reality. If your god objectively exists, where's the objective
evidence (which is what a claim of objective existence is really
claiming)?
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war
on terror."
- George W. Bush, interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept.
6, 2006
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may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Does God Exist Scientifically?
"Does God Exist?" A person's foundational worldview is determined by how
you answer
the question. Review the scientific and mathematical evidence for God's
existence and
make a decision.
(then the ***** goes on to say that "science" (mathematics and such)
cannot prove god ...... but if you take a scientific instrument - like a
microscope - you can PRETEND that the PATTERNS you see are evidence of an
"intelligent designer" .... (IOW the old "Let's pretend ID is based on
actual facts instead of ignorant religious fantasies).
http://www.allaboutgod.com/does-god-exist.htm
Thanks for the link!
You're thanking him for a link to outrageous ignorance?
No.
You simply want to make sure everybody remembers you are really around and
that your narcissistic supply is fully topped off. Other than that, you
are thanking the other individual for a link to outright ignorance. Of
course, that's about as much as you can understand, the more ignorant, the
better.
What I'm getting from YOU is outrageous ignorance!
You receive, what you give out. Nobody attempts to take you seriously
anymore. That includes Vera, I suspect.
And I wonder what YOU gain by ATTACKING people who don't share your
POV.
Who's under attack, your delicate sense of self-identity, that's always
under attack any time you happen to be awake, according to you. Then
again, given your nasty personality, how could you tell when you are under
attack.
As to the POV that you cannot share with intelligent people, don't post to
the atheist newsgroup. It won't be made so obvious, every time. You have
always had your ***** handed to you here, and never have been smart enough to
realize that. Not to mention, at one time you had indicated that you would
no longer post to the atheist newsgroup, something about we were not
worthy, or some other other ***** comes to mind, you being so full of
it, it's hard to keep track of it. Are there any other stupid questions for
the moment? And yes, there are stupid questions, those are questions asked
by stupid people for stupid reasons that make no sense to anybody else. I
do believe you have a corner on that particular market.
john w
which wannabe this time Jonny, the one who is so full of himself that he
automatically assumes that only he has a privilege of determining what is
good and not, especially in the way of web sites that support his point of
view. That's right johnnie, no question mark.
walksalone who's not surprised the johnnie will be slithering through the
atheist newsgroup, he seems to have run down in the other xian newsgroups
where he had be getting his narcissistic resupply, even though he has been
posting close to a thousand messages a month for the last two months. But
then, he always has been proud of his ignorance and stupidity.
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wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Does God Exist Scientifically?
"Does God Exist?" A person's foundational worldview is determined by how
you answer
the question. Review the scientific and mathematical evidence for God's
existence and
make a decision.
(then the ***** goes on to say that "science" (mathematics and such)
cannot prove god ...... but if you take a scientific instrument - like a
microscope - you can PRETEND that the PATTERNS you see are evidence of an
"intelligent designer" .... (IOW the old "Let's pretend ID is based on
actual facts instead of ignorant religious fantasies).
http://www.allaboutgod.com/does-god-exist.htm
Thanks for the link!
You're thanking him for a link to outrageous ignorance?
No.
You simply want to make sure everybody
If you so hate my writing, and me, why do you keep reading it?
???
never mind! I'm sure I don't want to know!
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If you so hate my writing, and me, why do you keep reading it?
We all enjoy a good laugh.
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:51:01 -0400, wrote:
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:11:38 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
If you so hate my writing, and me, why do you keep reading it?
We all enjoy a good laugh.
I thought the ridicule was going to stop, Elaine!
Another of your lies!
Don't forget for a minute that there are MANY things about YOU that
could be ridiculed!
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:51:01 -0400, wrote:
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:11:38 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
If you so hate my writing, and me, why do you keep reading it?
We all enjoy a good laugh.
I thought the ridicule was going to stop, Elaine!
This was posted YESTERDAY.
Another of your lies!
Don't forget for a minute that there are MANY things about YOU that
could be ridiculed!
Go ahead- ridicule me all you like. I've got broad shoulders.
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:51:01 -0400, wrote:
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may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:11:38 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
If you so hate my writing, and me, why do you keep reading it?
We all enjoy a good laugh.
I thought the ridicule was going to stop, Elaine!
There are people like yourself, invites ridicule. And what little I have
read today, you demand the ridicule you receive. It's almost as if you go
looking for ridicule to be heaped upon you.
Another of your lies!
With the number of lives, I have noticed you telling today, how can you
tell when anybody else lies?
Don't forget for a minute that there are MANY things about YOU that
could be ridiculed!
Apparently, you have forgotten them for the moment.
Aherah
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "„ UltraMan „" <ultra@man.jp>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Does God Exist Scientifically?
"Does God Exist?" A person's foundational worldview is determined by how
you answer
the question. Review the scientific and mathematical evidence for God's
existence and
make a decision.
(then the ***** goes on to say that "science" (mathematics and such)
cannot prove god ...... but if you take a scientific instrument - like a
microscope - you can PRETEND that the PATTERNS you see are evidence of an
"intelligent designer" .... (IOW the old "Let's pretend ID is based on
actual facts instead of ignorant religious fantasies).
http://www.allaboutgod.com/does-god-exist.htm
Thanks for the link!
You're thanking him for a link to outrageous ignorance?
No.
What I'm getting from YOU is outrageous ignorance!
And I wonder what YOU gain by ATTACKING people who don't share your
POV.
Why was the original ink posted on alt.atheism then?
Get over yerself, you ain't no jesus so stop pretending like you are
being persecuted.
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john w <johnw wrote:
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "„ UltraMan „" <ultra@man.jp>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Does God Exist Scientifically?
"Does God Exist?" A person's foundational worldview is determined by how
you answer
the question. Review the scientific and mathematical evidence for God's
existence and
make a decision.
(then the ***** goes on to say that "science" (mathematics and such)
cannot prove god ...... but if you take a scientific instrument - like a
microscope - you can PRETEND that the PATTERNS you see are evidence of an
"intelligent designer" .... (IOW the old "Let's pretend ID is based on
actual facts instead of ignorant religious fantasies).
http://www.allaboutgod.com/does-god-exist.htm
Thanks for the link!
You're thanking him for a link to outrageous ignorance?
No.
What I'm getting from YOU is outrageous ignorance!
And I wonder what YOU gain by ATTACKING people who don't share your
POV.
Why was the original ink posted on alt.atheism then?
I didn't post the original post. So you need to ask the person who
did!
Get over yerself,
No!
you ain't no jesus
I never claimed to be Jesus, fruitcake!
so stop pretending like you are
being persecuted.
????
I am persecuted for being a Christian almost daily!
What do you know about it?
Did you not hear Kathy Griffin's comments on Emmy night?
That's called persecution. She made some UGLY comments that
offended God, Jesus, and MILLIONS of Christians, and she didn't CARE!
I was a HUGE fan of Kathy's until that night.
Now if I saw her in REAL need of help, I probably wouldn't assist.
I'd likely say, "score one for the Christians!"
We ARE allowed to fight back!
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"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:53:27 -0600, "„ UltraMan „" <ultra@man.jp>
Does God Exist Scientifically?
"Does God Exist?" A person's foundational worldview is
determined by how you answer
the question. Review the scientific and mathematical evidence
for God's existence and
make a decision.
(then the ***** goes on to say that "science" (mathematics and
such) cannot prove god ...... but if you take a scientific
instrument - like a microscope - you can PRETEND that the PATTERNS
you see are evidence of an "intelligent designer" .... (IOW the
old "Let's pretend ID is based on actual facts instead of ignorant
religious fantasies).
http://www.allaboutgod.com/does-god-exist.htm
Thanks for the link!
You're thanking him for a link to outrageous ignorance?
No.
What I'm getting from YOU is outrageous ignorance!
And I wonder what YOU gain by ATTACKING people who don't share your
POV.
Why was the original ink posted on alt.atheism then?
I didn't post the original post. So you need to ask the person who
did!
Get over yerself,
No!
you ain't no jesus
I never claimed to be Jesus, fruitcake!
so stop pretending like you are
being persecuted.
????
I am persecuted for being a Christian almost daily!
You, and other christians, deserve it.
What do you know about it?
That you deserve it.
Did you not hear Kathy Griffin's comments on Emmy night?
Excellent truthful commentary.
That's called persecution.
Only by gutless cowards like you.
She made some UGLY comments that offended God,
There is no god you stammering imbecile.
Jesus,
***** your jesus.
and MILLIONS of Christians,
***** on the christians.
and she didn't CARE!
Nor do we.
I was a HUGE fan of Kathy's until that night.
No one cares, least of all Kathy.
Now if I saw her in REAL need of help, I probably wouldn't assist.
How very christian of you.
I'd likely say, "score one for the Christians!"
What would Jesus say?
We ARE allowed to fight back!
Give it your best shot, you scumbag superstitious *****.
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