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Does God Exist Scientifically?
"Does God Exist?" A person's foundational worldview is determined by how you answer
the question. Review the scientific and mathematical evidence for God's existence and
make a decision.
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Does God Exist - A Scientific Inquiry
Does God Exist? The other day I was asked to prove the existence of God. It was a
one-on-one conversation with a skeptical friend, who somehow thrust the burden of
proof on me. He didn't want the religious, moral or philosophical arguments -- He
wanted the scientific "proof."
Does God Exist - Is a Scientific Approach Possible?
When it comes to the question, "Does God Exist," there are really only two possible
conclusions: God either is, or He isn't. There's no half-way. There's no sliding
scale. Whether you're an atheist or whether you're a theist, there's a certain level
of knowledge, and there's a certain level of faith.
I thought for a moment. Can I prove the existence of God -- scientifically? In my
religious/moral/philosophical experience, He's been proven to me. However, my friend
hasn't walked the same journey as me. He wants the facts -- he wants the naturalistic
proof for a supernatural reality.
I came to the conclusion that my friend's question was a fair one. He deserved my
best attempt at an answer. So, I gave it a shot.
Does God Exist - A Scientific Examination of the Evidence
God may not be provable through mathematical formulae or properties of physics, but
we live in an era where the evidence of an Intelligent Designer is all around us.
Just look through the Hubble Telescope and peer to the edge of the massive cosmos.
View the monitor of an electron-scanning microscope and delve into the intricate
world of a microscopic cell. Try to comprehend the massive library of complex
information inherent in the digital code that turns a fertilized egg into a human
being. Study principles of quantum mechanics and investigate the world of
extra-dimensionality. Review the nature of your conscience, subconscious, standards
of morality, and thoughts of religion. Then, try to reconcile all of these realities
with a basic theory of randomness and chaos.
Based on what we know today, I truly believe that atheism (not believing in any kind
of god) is a much bigger "leap of faith" than theism (believing that some kind of god
exists).
I asked my friend, "Have you really thought about some of the evidences for God? Or,
are you presupposing a purely naturalistic world, and closing your eyes to some of
the possible evidence? If I propose some observational evidence, are you even open to
examining it?"
My friend asked me to go on. So, here's my attempt at some basic scientific
observations that point to God:
a.. Causation. God provides the best explanation for the existence of the universe
and all that's in it. (The alternative theory is that "nothing" exploded and resulted
in everything that we see.)
b.. Order. God provides the best explanation for abstract notions such as numbers,
mathematical formulae, chemical-based processes, and natural laws. (The alternative
theory is that the chaotic first elements ordered themselves into complex information
systems.)
c.. Design. God provides the best explanation for the absolute complexity inherent
in cosmological, stellar, planetary, chemical and biological systems. (The
alternative theory is that random chance engineered apparent design.)
d.. Encoded Instructions. God provides the best explanation for the digital DNA
code contained in and controlling the functions of all life on earth. (The
alternative theory is that complex code, such as binary code running computers, can
pop into existence without any kind of programming, testing and debugging process.)
e.. Irreducible Complexity. God provides the best explanation for fully functioning
biological organisms, systems, and subsystems that couldn't come about through
gradual evolutionary process without totally ceasing to exist at lower, evolutionary
levels. (The alternative theory is that biological systems took huge, unseen leaps
from simple to complex without any guided process or forward-looking instructions.)
f.. Duality. God provides the best explanation for the separate human functions of
brain and conscience (matter and mind). (The alternative theory is monism -- only
matter exists and the human brain only appears to have a separate subconscious
ability.)
g.. Morality. God provides the best explanation for the existence of love, emotion,
altruism, and inherent moral/ethical values throughout the world. (The alternative
theory is that unguided materialistic processes evolve higher human consciousness.)
Does God Exist - A Scientific Conclusion
When it comes to the question of "Does God Exist," there are only two scientific
worldviews -- Someone/Something did it, or it did itself. Whether it's the beginning
of the cosmos or the beginning of life, the beginning of mankind or the beginning of
mind, either Someone/Something is responsible for everything we see or it's
responsible for itself.
"Does God Exist?" Is this really a question for science at all? Actually, it seems
this is a matter of forensic science, since we can't re-create the birth of the
universe or the formation of first life in a laboratory. Therefore, we collect the
observable evidence in our world and apply our forensic investigation skills to
analyze its collective meaning. In the end, we all need to collect and examine the
evidence for ourselves. Ultimately, whether couched as scientific inquiry or purely
religious/moral/philosophical faith, it's not a matter for the laboratory. It's a
personal, investigative decision for each and every one of us.
Does God Exist - The Big Questions
Does God exist? An answer to this fundamental question is a prerequisite for
answering the other big questions of life: Where did we come from? Why are we here?
Do we serve a purpose? Do we have any intrinsic value? What happens after we die? The
question of the existence of God is fundamental.
Does God Exist - A Philosophical Issue
Before we ask the question "Does God exist?" we first have to deal with our
philosophical predispositions. If, for example, I am already dedicated to the
philosophical idea that nothing can exist outside of the natural realm (i.e. there
can be no supernatural God), no amount of evidence could convince me otherwise.
Asking the question "does God exist?" would be pointless. My answer would be "No, He
doesn't," regardless of whether God truly exists or not. The question would be
impossible to answer from an evidentiary standpoint simply because anything which God
might have done (that is, any supernatural act which might serve as evidence for His
existence) would have to be explained away in terms of natural causes, not because we
know what those natural causes could possibly be, but simply because a supernatural
God is not allowed to exist!
Dr. Richard Lewontin, the Alexander Agassiz Professor of Zoology at Harvard
University, put it like this: "It is not that the methods and institutions of science
somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on
the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to
create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material
explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the
uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine
Foot in the door" (Richard Lewontin, "Billions and Billions of Demons," New York
Review of Books, January 9, 1997, p. 28).
If, on the other hand, I were neutral, and didn't already have an "a priori
adherence" to a particular worldview (be it naturalistic or otherwise), the question
"does God really exist?" wouldn't be pointless at all. Rather, it would be the first
step in an objective and meaningful search for ultimate truth. Our willingness to ask
the question with an open mind is fundamental to our ability to discover the truth
behind the answer. So first of all, before you even ask the question, decide whether
or not you're really willing to accept the answer.
Does God Exist - Things to Consider
Once you're ready to ask the question, "does God exist?" here are a few observations
to consider as you begin your search for an objective answer:
a.. Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe
did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
b.. Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded
in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands
upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information
requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
c.. Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising
from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In
fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via
unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?
d.. The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and
what purpose do they serve?
e.. Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible
explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right
and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?
f.. People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and
old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally
experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these
prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and
other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be
sure, but is there something more?
If your curiosity has been piqued and you desire to look into this matter further, we
recommend that you consider the world's assortment of so-called Holy Books. If God
does exist, has He revealed Himself? And if He has revealed Himself, surely He
exists...
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Does God Exist Scientifically? <= allaboutgod.com says so ~~ |
13 Oct 2007 11:55:52 AM |
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"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
news:5nb8b6Fgre8tU1@mid.individual.net...
Does God Exist Scientifically?
I wasn't aware that existence could be qualified in this way. You learn
something new every day.
"Does God Exist?"
The fact that is necessary to frame the question tells us that the deity's
existence is not a certainty. The following quote confirms this:
It's a personal, investigative decision for each and every one of us.
This statement also confirms that the deity is subjective and therefore
relative. IOW, you are not able to show that your deity has an objective
existence.
Regards,
Josef
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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18 Oct 2007 07:29:26 AM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:55:52 -0400, Josef Balluch wrote:
Does God Exist Scientifically?
I wasn't aware that existence could be qualified in this way. You learn
something new every day.
One of my pet peeves: "It has been proven scientifically..."
Er, well, no. It's either been proven or not; "scientifically" doesn't
enter into it. Besides, if you're going to claim proof, science is the
last place to look - science, on the whole, doesn't _do_ proof.
--
McGod’s – Have it my way or go to Hell. -- Sue Armstrong
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16 Oct 2007 08:57:38 PM |
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"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
news:5nb8b6Fgre8tU1@mid.individual.net...
Does God Exist Scientifically?
Does life in the womb exist scientifically? Yes.
Does the big bang exist scientifically? No.
Does Evolution exist scientifically? No. (still awaiting that old missing
link btw.......)
BAM
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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17 Oct 2007 09:12:14 AM |
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"BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in
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"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
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Does God Exist Scientifically?
Does life in the womb exist scientifically? Yes.
Does the big bang exist scientifically? No.
Does Evolution exist scientifically? No. (still awaiting that old
missing link btw.......)
You're an idiot. Too bad you exist.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Oct 2007 05:33:47 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:12:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
"BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in
news:_ZdRi.5014$5c.2814@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
news:5nb8b6Fgre8tU1@mid.individual.net...
Does God Exist Scientifically?
Does life in the womb exist scientifically? Yes.
Does the big bang exist scientifically? No.
Does Evolution exist scientifically? No. (still awaiting that old
missing link btw.......)
You're an idiot. Too bad you exist.
I'm still awaiting proof of that btw ...
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise
as false, and by the rulers as useful."
- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "BAM" |
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17 Oct 2007 09:01:50 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:12:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
"BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in
news:_ZdRi.5014$5c.2814@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
news:5nb8b6Fgre8tU1@mid.individual.net...
Does God Exist Scientifically?
Does life in the womb exist scientifically? Yes.
Does the big bang exist scientifically? No.
Does Evolution exist scientifically? No. (still awaiting that old
missing link btw.......)
You're an idiot. Too bad you exist.
I'm still awaiting proof of that btw ...
Ahhh I stirred up the Romans. Well, feed me to the lions.
BAM
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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19 Oct 2007 08:04:23 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:12:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
"BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in
news:_ZdRi.5014$5c.2814@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
news:5nb8b6Fgre8tU1@mid.individual.net...
Does God Exist Scientifically?
Does life in the womb exist scientifically? Yes.
Does the big bang exist scientifically? No.
Does Evolution exist scientifically? No. (still awaiting that old
missing link btw.......)
You're an idiot. Too bad you exist.
I'm still awaiting proof of that btw ...
Bamela could be a bot. A butt-bot.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "" |
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20 Oct 2007 04:28:26 PM |
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Doc Smartass a écrit :
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:cd3dh31j56mvb8skus2mso0qtinm972ee9@4ax.com:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:12:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
"BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in
news:_ZdRi.5014$5c.2814@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
news:5nb8b6Fgre8tU1@mid.individual.net...
Does God Exist Scientifically?
Does life in the womb exist scientifically? Yes.
Does the big bang exist scientifically? No.
Does Evolution exist scientifically? No. (still awaiting that old
missing link btw.......)
You're an idiot. Too bad you exist.
I'm still awaiting proof of that btw ...
Bamela could be a bot. A butt-bot.
What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
Ak
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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22 Oct 2007 07:59:01 AM |
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<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote
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What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
English not your first language, hon?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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22 Oct 2007 08:21:44 AM |
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:59:01 -0400, in alt.atheism
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
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<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote
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What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
English not your first language, hon?
Well, since the guy is posting from France, that's a reasonable
conclusion to draw. Still, there are other problems.
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| User: "" |
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22 Oct 2007 05:05:09 PM |
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Robibnikoff a écrit :
<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote
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What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
English not your first language, hon?
Of course no. But, can you really say that you didn't understand the
questions ?
In the time You were not born, what was God's reality, for you ?
Ak
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: DO atheists exist scientifically? |
23 Oct 2007 09:40:59 AM |
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<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff a écrit :
<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote
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What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
English not your first language, hon?
Of course no. But, can you really say that you didn't understand the
questions ?
Yep, I sure can. WTF are you babbling about?
In the time You were not born, what was God's reality, for you ?
What god?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: DO atheists exist scientifically? |
23 Oct 2007 08:15:12 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:40:59 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff a ?it :
<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote
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What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
English not your first language, hon?
Of course no. But, can you really say that you didn't understand the
questions ?
Yep, I sure can. WTF are you babbling about?
That's probably as lucid as the mental retard can get; in any
language.
In the time You were not born, what was God's reality, for you ?
What god?
You mean there is more than zero?
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: DO atheists exist scientifically? |
22 Oct 2007 05:22:59 PM |
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wrote:
Robibnikoff a écrit :
< > wrote
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What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
English not your first language, hon?
Of course no. But, can you really say that you didn't understand the
questions ?
In the time You were not born, what was God's reality, for you ?
Ak
Nothing, just like now.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: DO atheists exist scientifically? |
20 Oct 2007 06:09:44 PM |
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"akwarius@tele2.fr" <akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote in news:471a72d1$0$21146
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Doc Smartass a écrit :
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:cd3dh31j56mvb8skus2mso0qtinm972ee9@4ax.com:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:12:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
"BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in
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"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
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Does God Exist Scientifically?
Does life in the womb exist scientifically? Yes.
Does the big bang exist scientifically? No.
Does Evolution exist scientifically? No. (still awaiting that old
missing link btw.......)
You're an idiot. Too bad you exist.
I'm still awaiting proof of that btw ...
Bamela could be a bot. A butt-bot.
What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
Re-state that in English.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "" |
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21 Oct 2007 04:27:44 PM |
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Doc Smartass a écrit :
"akwarius@tele2.fr" <akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote in news:471a72d1$0$21146
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Doc Smartass a écrit :
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:cd3dh31j56mvb8skus2mso0qtinm972ee9@4ax.com:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:12:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
"BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in
news:_ZdRi.5014$5c.2814@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
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Does God Exist Scientifically?
Does life in the womb exist scientifically? Yes.
Does the big bang exist scientifically? No.
Does Evolution exist scientifically? No. (still awaiting that old
missing link btw.......)
You're an idiot. Too bad you exist.
I'm still awaiting proof of that btw ...
Bamela could be a bot. A butt-bot.
What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
Re-state that in English.
Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with your
awareness of something ?
Ak
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: DO atheists exist scientifically? |
22 Oct 2007 07:59:32 AM |
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<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote
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Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with your
awareness of something ?
WTF is that supposed to mean?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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22 Oct 2007 09:53:59 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote
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Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with your
awareness of something ?
WTF is that supposed to mean?
How should *he* know?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 6, San Antonio 5 (SO) (October 19)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 27 at San Antonio, 7:05
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| User: "" |
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22 Oct 2007 05:07:04 PM |
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The Chief Instigator a écrit :
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote
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Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with your
awareness of something ?
WTF is that supposed to mean?
How should *he* know?
don't be cruel. What was God's reality, when You were not born ?
Ak
Is it clearer that way ?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: DO atheists exist scientifically? |
23 Oct 2007 09:41:55 AM |
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<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote in message
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The Chief Instigator a écrit :
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote
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Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with
your awareness of something ?
WTF is that supposed to mean?
How should *he* know?
don't be cruel. What was God's reality, when You were not born ?
What god might you be babbling about?
Once you clarify that, then please prove he/she/it exists and then we can
get on with answering your questions.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: DO atheists exist scientifically? |
23 Oct 2007 07:21:09 AM |
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:07:04 +0200, "akwarius@tele2.fr"
<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote:
The Chief Instigator a écrit :
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote
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Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with your
awareness of something ?
WTF is that supposed to mean?
How should *he* know?
don't be cruel. What was God's reality, when You were not born ?
Ak
Is it clearer that way ?
Still nothing coming through this end.
<tap tap tap>
Try a pipe cleaner.
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| User: "Steve O" |
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22 Oct 2007 11:21:39 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote
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Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with your
awareness of something ?
WTF is that supposed to mean?
--
Maybe I can help, Robyn - I can speak fluent Gibberish.
Akwarius- Could you in some portent of times render possible the actuality
of the meaning of your question against the request of that lady in sooness?
The getting of this question has perplexed the lady in unfortunate times
tremendously today.
... Hope this helps.
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"Believe the Bible! - Because all the works of modern science cannot equal
the wisdom of goat - sacrificing primitives who thought that all the animal
species in the world lived within walking distance of Noah's house."
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: DO atheists exist scientifically? |
22 Oct 2007 11:48:24 AM |
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"Steve O" <hooray@nospamhere.thanks> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote
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Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with your
awareness of something ?
WTF is that supposed to mean?
--
Maybe I can help, Robyn - I can speak fluent Gibberish.
Akwarius- Could you in some portent of times render possible the actuality
of the meaning of your question against the request of that lady in
sooness?
The getting of this question has perplexed the lady in unfortunate times
tremendously today.
.. Hope this helps.
Oh great, now I have a headache. Darn you all to heck! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: DO atheists exist scientifically? |
21 Oct 2007 05:16:44 PM |
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"akwarius@tele2.fr" <akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote in news:471bc40d$0$21143
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Doc Smartass a écrit :
"akwarius@tele2.fr" <akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote in news:471a72d1$0$21146
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Doc Smartass a écrit :
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:cd3dh31j56mvb8skus2mso0qtinm972ee9@4ax.com:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:12:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
"BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in
news:_ZdRi.5014$5c.2814@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
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Does God Exist Scientifically?
Does life in the womb exist scientifically? Yes.
Does the big bang exist scientifically? No.
Does Evolution exist scientifically? No. (still awaiting that old
missing link btw.......)
You're an idiot. Too bad you exist.
I'm still awaiting proof of that btw ...
Bamela could be a bot. A butt-bot.
What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
Re-state that in English.
Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with
your
awareness of something ?
I don't speak word-salad, sorry.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Sippuddin" |
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21 Oct 2007 05:25:27 PM |
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wrote:
Doc Smartass a écrit :
" " <> wrote in news:471a72d1$0$21146
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Doc Smartass a écrit :
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:cd3dh31j56mvb8skus2mso0qtinm972ee9@4ax.com:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:12:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
"BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in
news:_ZdRi.5014$5c.2814@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
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Does God Exist Scientifically?
Does life in the womb exist scientifically? Yes.
Does the big bang exist scientifically? No.
Does Evolution exist scientifically? No. (still awaiting that old
missing link btw.......)
You're an idiot. Too bad you exist.
I'm still awaiting proof of that btw ...
Bamela could be a bot. A butt-bot.
What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
Re-state that in English.
Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with your
awareness of something ?
Ak
What?
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| User: "" |
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22 Oct 2007 01:20:56 AM |
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Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with
your awareness of something ?
Ak
What?
Nothing exists if you are not concious of it ?
So Sorry, but, how can you manage the belief or idea of an all powerful
being, so God, if you admit that his reality depends on your awereness ?
Ak
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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21 Oct 2007 04:48:07 PM |
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:27:44 +0200, "akwarius@tele2.fr"
<akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote:
Doc Smartass a écrit :
"akwarius@tele2.fr" <akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote in news:471a72d1$0$21146
$7a628cd7@news.club-internet.fr:
Doc Smartass a écrit :
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:cd3dh31j56mvb8skus2mso0qtinm972ee9@4ax.com:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:12:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
"BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in
news:_ZdRi.5014$5c.2814@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
news:5nb8b6Fgre8tU1@mid.individual.net...
Does God Exist Scientifically?
Does life in the womb exist scientifically? Yes.
Does the big bang exist scientifically? No.
Does Evolution exist scientifically? No. (still awaiting that old
missing link btw.......)
You're an idiot. Too bad you exist.
I'm still awaiting proof of that btw ...
Bamela could be a bot. A butt-bot.
What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
Re-state that in English.
Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with your
awareness of something ?
When we didn't exist we couldn't do anything. Before we learned to
speak, we couldn't say anything.
None of that has anything to do with any god.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"The Catholic Church, a Jew's best friend!"
- Tomás Torquemada
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| User: "" |
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22 Oct 2007 01:17:12 AM |
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What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
Re-state that in English.
Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with your
awareness of something ?
When we didn't exist we couldn't do anything. Before we learned to
speak, we couldn't say anything.
None of that has anything to do with any god.
Sorry, but, how can you manage the belief or idea of an all powerful
being, so God, if you admit that his reality depends on your awereness ?
Ak
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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21 Oct 2007 04:50:55 PM |
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:27:44 +0200, in alt.atheism
"akwarius@tele2.fr" <akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote in
<471bc40d$0$21143$7a628cd7@news.club-internet.fr>:
Doc Smartass a écrit :
"akwarius@tele2.fr" <akwarius@tele2.fr> wrote in news:471a72d1$0$21146
$7a628cd7@news.club-internet.fr:
Doc Smartass a écrit :
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:cd3dh31j56mvb8skus2mso0qtinm972ee9@4ax.com:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:12:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
"BAM" <mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in
news:_ZdRi.5014$5c.2814@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
news:5nb8b6Fgre8tU1@mid.individual.net...
Does God Exist Scientifically?
Does life in the womb exist scientifically? Yes.
Does the big bang exist scientifically? No.
Does Evolution exist scientifically? No. (still awaiting that old
missing link btw.......)
You're an idiot. Too bad you exist.
I'm still awaiting proof of that btw ...
Bamela could be a bot. A butt-bot.
What about god or God, when you were neither born nor arrived in self
consciouness ?
Re-state that in English.
Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with your
awareness of something ?
Ak
Maybe if you asked the question in French, which I have not taken
(though Spanish, English and Latin generally help in understanding
written French), I would understand it better. Your English statements
are garbled.
If your question is: "Were you aware of anything before you existed?"
the answer is no.
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| User: "" |
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22 Oct 2007 01:18:44 AM |
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Could you say something, in times you had not get in existence with your
awareness of something ?
Ak
Maybe if you asked the question in French, which I have not taken
(though Spanish, English and Latin generally help in understanding
written French), I would understand it better. Your English statements
are garbled.
If your question is: "Were you aware of anything before you existed?"
the answer is no.
Thank you. So, Sorry, but, how can you manage the belief or idea of an
all powerful being, so God, if you admit that his reality depends on
your awereness ?
Ak
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