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** God Slaughters Family on Christmas Eve -- Praise Jesus ! ** |
Prosecutors: Couple confess to killing family on Christmas Eve
a.. Woman, boyfriend each charged with six counts of aggravated
first-degree murder
b.. Victims include Michele Anderson's parents and brother and
sister-in-law
c.. Anderson's 6-year-old niece and 3-year-old nephew were also killed
d.. Court documents: Joseph McEnroe shot the children in the head
SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- After slaughtering their parents, Joseph McEnroe
apologized to his girlfriend's young niece and nephew before shooting both
in the head to end a Christmas Eve massacre, prosecutors alleged Friday.
But even as they filed aggravated first-degree murder charges against
McEnroe and Michele Anderson, prosecutors could not say what might have
driven the couple in the violent killing spree.
"In the end, what motive could you find that would make sense of the
senseless slaying of the Anderson family?" King County Prosecutor Dan
Satterberg said in announcing the charges.
Anderson and McEnroe, both 29, were each charged with six counts of
aggravated first-degree murder. Authorities say they have confessed.
Conviction on aggravated first-degree murder in Washington is punishable
only by death or life in prison without possibility of parole, and
Satterberg said he would give "serious consideration" to the death penalty.
Telephone calls to public defender George Eppler, Anderson's attorney, and
Devon Gibbs, McEnroe's lawyer, were not returned Friday.
According to court documents, Anderson said both of them shot her parents,
brother and sister-in-law, while McEnroe killed the children. While
long-standing bitterness and a perceived family debt might have been factors
in the killings, the motive may never be known.
Court documents said McEnroe, a store clerk, and Anderson, who is
unemployed, told detectives they armed themselves on Christmas Eve and went
to her parents' home near Carnation, about 25 miles east of Seattle.
There, they confronted Anderson's parents, Wayne Anderson, 60, and Judy
Anderson, 61, in their living room.
Michele Anderson told detectives her brother, a carpenter, owed her money
she had loaned to him years earlier, and that she was upset with her parents
because they did not take her side, documents say. She also said her parents
were pressuring her to start paying rent for staying on their property,
where she lived in a trailer with McEnroe.
"Michelle stated that she was tired of everybody stepping on her," the court
papers say. "She stated that she was upset with her parents and her brother
and that if the problems did not get resolved on December 24, then her
intent was definitely to kill everybody."
Satterberg said Michele Anderson fired once at her father's head but missed.
McEnroe stepped in, leveled his gun and fatally shot Wayne Anderson in the
head, documents said.
Judy Anderson heard the shots and ran from the back room where she had been
wrapping gifts. She was shot by McEnroe, who apologized to her before
shooting her again, this time in the head, the court documents said.
Satterberg said that the two dragged the bodies to a shed behind the house,
used towels and carpets to sop up blood stains and awaited the arrival of
Anderson's brother, Scott. He was due for a Christmas Eve visit with his
wife, Erica, and children Olivia, 6, and Nathan, 3.
Her brother and sister-in-law put up a brave struggle, according to the
documents. Scott Anderson charged her when she pulled out the gun, and was
shot up to four times, records say.
Michele then shot Erica Anderson twice, but she was able to crawl over the
back of a couch to call 911, authorities said. McEnroe told detectives he
tore the phone from Erica's hands and destroyed it.
Huddling with her children, Erica Anderson pleaded with McEnroe not to shoot
her, saying: "You don't have to do this."
"Yes, we do," McEnroe was quoted as replying in the affidavit. He fired at
her head, authorities said.
Satterberg said that McEnroe apologized to both of the children before he
shot 6-year-old Olivia. He then turned to 3-year-old Nathan, who had picked
up the batteries from the cordless phone his mother had used in her futile
attempt to call for help, court documents said.
McEnroe than fired one last bullet through Nathan's head, according to the
affidavit. When asked why he shot Erica, Olivia and Nathan, McEnroe told
detectives three times: "I didn't want them to turn us in."
After the killings, McEnroe and Anderson first drove north toward Canada,
then south toward Oregon arriving at neither destination, then decided to go
back and pretend to discover the bodies, Satterberg said.
When they arrived Wednesday, investigators were already there. Detectives,
curious that neither McEnroe nor Michele Anderson asked what had happened at
the bustling crime scene, began questioning them and they eventually
confessed, according to the documents.
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30 Dec 2007 06:32:26 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:39:58 -0700, "Reality_Check©"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Prosecutors: Couple confess to killing family on Christmas Eve
a.. Woman, boyfriend each charged with six counts of aggravated
first-degree murder
b.. Victims include Michele Anderson's parents and brother and
sister-in-law
c.. Anderson's 6-year-old niece and 3-year-old nephew were also
killed
d.. Court documents: Joseph McEnroe shot the children in the head
SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- After slaughtering their parents, Joseph
McEnroe
apologized to his girlfriend's young niece and nephew before shooting
both
in the head to end a Christmas Eve massacre, prosecutors alleged
Friday.
But even as they filed aggravated first-degree murder charges against
McEnroe and Michele Anderson, prosecutors could not say what might
have
driven the couple in the violent killing spree.
Re: ** God Slaughters Family on Christmas Eve -- Praise Jesus ! **
^ ^ ^ ^ ????
I don't remember God being charged! I remember the sister of the
main victim CONFESSING to the murders, along with her boyfriend!
God's name was never mentioned!
So you need to apologize for lying!
But since the god supposedly created everything with full knowledge of
everything everything would do, it's ultimately responsible for
everything.
It basically planned the pulling of those triggers, so yes, it murdered
those people.
^^^^^ ..... So... if I got your point of view correct, God knew
you were going to type the above nonsense. In fact, you are saying God
FORCED you to type the above nonsense!
If an omniscient creator of the universe exists, it created the specific
universe in which I wrote the above, and you wrote your reply, and not a
different universe in which we didn't.
As I have said, I will say again, and it's quite brief, so I don't
mind saying it JUST FOR YOU.
When you're In Charge, YOU get to tell us how things are, and how
things should be.
So you are agreeing that if the god exists, the god is in charge? That means
the god is in charge of the slaughter too, right?
^ ^ ^ ^ I see we're not communicating!
When you are in charge, you get to make the rules.
Part of the rules is, you will then get to decide on
Who is Right and Who is Wrong,
What is Right and What is Wrong.
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE what's
going on or why.
You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume to tell me or anyone else what
God MUST do!
Right, if the god is omniscient and created the universe, then yes, its will
is in absolute charge, just as you insist. Our free will is merely an
illusion.
Not at all, mental dwarf.
I don't find any scripture that says God cares a whit whether you
wear white undies or purple, or what brand of toothpaste you buy, or
precisely what neighborhood you live in.
He is likely concerned with who you marry.
And I doubt-- if you are single-- He cares which hand you use to
pleasure yourself.
He's concerned with the big picture.
How many times you picked your nose last week isn't something He
particularly cares about.
God does as God pleases!
SNIP
And I think that's as much as I care to feed your ego with my
attention.
Grow up! Get over yourself. God exists whether you like it or not.
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30 Dec 2007 01:15:23 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:39:58 -0700, "Reality_Check©"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Prosecutors: Couple confess to killing family on Christmas Eve
a.. Woman, boyfriend each charged with six counts of aggravated
first-degree murder
b.. Victims include Michele Anderson's parents and brother and
sister-in-law
c.. Anderson's 6-year-old niece and 3-year-old nephew were also
killed
d.. Court documents: Joseph McEnroe shot the children in the head
SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- After slaughtering their parents, Joseph
McEnroe
apologized to his girlfriend's young niece and nephew before
shooting
both
in the head to end a Christmas Eve massacre, prosecutors alleged
Friday.
But even as they filed aggravated first-degree murder charges
against
McEnroe and Michele Anderson, prosecutors could not say what might
have
driven the couple in the violent killing spree.
Re: ** God Slaughters Family on Christmas Eve -- Praise Jesus ! **
^ ^ ^ ^ ????
I don't remember God being charged! I remember the sister of the
main victim CONFESSING to the murders, along with her boyfriend!
God's name was never mentioned!
So you need to apologize for lying!
But since the god supposedly created everything with full knowledge of
everything everything would do, it's ultimately responsible for
everything.
It basically planned the pulling of those triggers, so yes, it
murdered
those people.
^^^^^ ..... So... if I got your point of view correct, God knew
you were going to type the above nonsense. In fact, you are saying God
FORCED you to type the above nonsense!
If an omniscient creator of the universe exists, it created the specific
universe in which I wrote the above, and you wrote your reply, and not a
different universe in which we didn't.
As I have said, I will say again, and it's quite brief, so I don't
mind saying it JUST FOR YOU.
When you're In Charge, YOU get to tell us how things are, and how
things should be.
So you are agreeing that if the god exists, the god is in charge? That
means
the god is in charge of the slaughter too, right?
^ ^ ^ ^ I see we're not communicating!
When you are in charge, you get to make the rules.
Part of the rules is, you will then get to decide on
Who is Right and Who is Wrong,
What is Right and What is Wrong.
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE what's
going on or why.
Then you admit that you know nothing about any deity just like atheists.
You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume to tell me or anyone else what
God MUST do!
Right, if the god is omniscient and created the universe, then yes, its
will
is in absolute charge, just as you insist. Our free will is merely an
illusion.
Not at all, mental dwarf.
I don't find any scripture that says God cares a whit whether you
wear white undies or purple, or what brand of toothpaste you buy, or
precisely what neighborhood you live in.
He is likely concerned with who you marry.
And I doubt-- if you are single-- He cares which hand you use to
pleasure yourself.
He's concerned with the big picture.
How many times you picked your nose last week isn't something He
particularly cares about.
Which has no relevance to the point made.
God does as God pleases!
SNIP
And I think that's as much as I care to feed your ego with my
attention.
Grow up! Get over yourself. God exists whether you like it or not.
The one we all know nothing about as you explained above?
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30 Dec 2007 02:46:16 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:39:58 -0700, "Reality_Check©"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Prosecutors: Couple confess to killing family on Christmas Eve
a.. Woman, boyfriend each charged with six counts of aggravated
first-degree murder
b.. Victims include Michele Anderson's parents and brother and
sister-in-law
c.. Anderson's 6-year-old niece and 3-year-old nephew were also
killed
d.. Court documents: Joseph McEnroe shot the children in the head
SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- After slaughtering their parents, Joseph
McEnroe
apologized to his girlfriend's young niece and nephew before
shooting
both
in the head to end a Christmas Eve massacre, prosecutors alleged
Friday.
But even as they filed aggravated first-degree murder charges
against
McEnroe and Michele Anderson, prosecutors could not say what might
have
driven the couple in the violent killing spree.
Re: ** God Slaughters Family on Christmas Eve -- Praise Jesus ! **
^ ^ ^ ^ ????
I don't remember God being charged! I remember the sister of the
main victim CONFESSING to the murders, along with her boyfriend!
God's name was never mentioned!
So you need to apologize for lying!
But since the god supposedly created everything with full knowledge of
everything everything would do, it's ultimately responsible for
everything.
It basically planned the pulling of those triggers, so yes, it
murdered
those people.
^^^^^ ..... So... if I got your point of view correct, God knew
you were going to type the above nonsense. In fact, you are saying God
FORCED you to type the above nonsense!
If an omniscient creator of the universe exists, it created the specific
universe in which I wrote the above, and you wrote your reply, and not a
different universe in which we didn't.
As I have said, I will say again, and it's quite brief, so I don't
mind saying it JUST FOR YOU.
When you're In Charge, YOU get to tell us how things are, and how
things should be.
So you are agreeing that if the god exists, the god is in charge? That
means
the god is in charge of the slaughter too, right?
^ ^ ^ ^ I see we're not communicating!
No, we're exchanging information. We are communicating.
When you are in charge, you get to make the rules.
Part of the rules is, you will then get to decide on
Who is Right and Who is Wrong,
What is Right and What is Wrong.
Yes. I agree.
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE what's
going on or why.
Neither do you.
Yet you act as if you do.
You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume to tell me or anyone else what
God MUST do!
Right, if the god is omniscient and created the universe, then yes, its
will
is in absolute charge, just as you insist. Our free will is merely an
illusion.
Not at all, mental dwarf.
I don't find any scripture that says God cares a whit whether you
wear white undies or purple, or what brand of toothpaste you buy, or
precisely what neighborhood you live in.
He is likely concerned with who you marry.
And I doubt-- if you are single-- He cares which hand you use to
pleasure yourself.
He's concerned with the big picture.
How odd. The usual scripture under discussion in alt atheism is the one for
the Christian god. And that scripture states quite clearly that the
god-character is for some reason deeply concerned with all sorts of personal
opinions, actions, alliances, and dietary trivia.
What scripture are you talking about?
How many times you picked your nose last week isn't something He
particularly cares about.
Really? Allow me to quote you: "You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume to
tell me or anyone else what God MUST do!"
Yet here you are dictating what god cares about. Do you imagine that you're
the one in charge?
God does as God pleases!
SNIP
And I think that's as much as I care to feed your ego with my
attention.
And mine, yours.
Grow up! Get over yourself. God exists whether you like it or not.
Well, you exist, and you seem to be dictating the rules of the god.
You must believe you're the god.
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dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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30 Dec 2007 04:43:09 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:39:58 -0700, "Reality_Check©"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Prosecutors: Couple confess to killing family on Christmas Eve
a.. Woman, boyfriend each charged with six counts of aggravated
first-degree murder
b.. Victims include Michele Anderson's parents and brother and
sister-in-law
c.. Anderson's 6-year-old niece and 3-year-old nephew were also
killed
d.. Court documents: Joseph McEnroe shot the children in the head
SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- After slaughtering their parents, Joseph
McEnroe
apologized to his girlfriend's young niece and nephew before
shooting
both
in the head to end a Christmas Eve massacre, prosecutors alleged
Friday.
But even as they filed aggravated first-degree murder charges
against
McEnroe and Michele Anderson, prosecutors could not say what might
have
driven the couple in the violent killing spree.
Re: ** God Slaughters Family on Christmas Eve -- Praise Jesus ! **
^ ^ ^ ^ ????
I don't remember God being charged! I remember the sister of the
main victim CONFESSING to the murders, along with her boyfriend!
God's name was never mentioned!
So you need to apologize for lying!
But since the god supposedly created everything with full knowledge of
everything everything would do, it's ultimately responsible for
everything.
It basically planned the pulling of those triggers, so yes, it
murdered
those people.
^^^^^ ..... So... if I got your point of view correct, God knew
you were going to type the above nonsense. In fact, you are saying God
FORCED you to type the above nonsense!
If an omniscient creator of the universe exists, it created the specific
universe in which I wrote the above, and you wrote your reply, and not a
different universe in which we didn't.
As I have said, I will say again, and it's quite brief, so I don't
mind saying it JUST FOR YOU.
When you're In Charge, YOU get to tell us how things are, and how
things should be.
So you are agreeing that if the god exists, the god is in charge? That
means
the god is in charge of the slaughter too, right?
^ ^ ^ ^ I see we're not communicating!
No, we're exchanging information. We are communicating.
When you are in charge, you get to make the rules.
Part of the rules is, you will then get to decide on
Who is Right and Who is Wrong,
What is Right and What is Wrong.
Yes. I agree.
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE what's
going on or why.
Neither do you.
Actually, that's not entirely accurate.
There's this book the Bible. Those of us who take it seriously know
the GENERAL OUTLINE of what has happened thus far in human history,
and the general outline of what's coming.
What is happening now-- I believe and others like me do-- is what's
called "The Great Tribulation."
Yet you act as if you do.
You just said I don't know what's going on. Actualy, I do.
At least I know a WHOLE LOT more than you do.
You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume to tell me or anyone else what
God MUST do!
Right, if the god is omniscient and created the universe, then yes, its
will
is in absolute charge, just as you insist. Our free will is merely an
illusion.
And I won't continue to even attempt to communicate with you when
you are DELIBERATELY offensive.
"Have some respect" and we may take it a step farther.
Not at all, mental dwarf.
I don't find any scripture that says God cares a whit whether you
wear white undies or purple, or what brand of toothpaste you buy, or
precisely what neighborhood you live in.
He is likely concerned with who you marry.
And I doubt-- if you are single-- He cares which hand you use to
pleasure yourself.
He's concerned with the big picture.
How odd. The usual scripture under discussion in alt atheism is the one for
the Christian god. And that scripture states quite clearly that the
god-character is for some reason deeply concerned with all sorts of personal
opinions, actions, alliances, and dietary trivia.
What scripture are you talking about?
How many times you picked your nose last week isn't something He
particularly cares about.
Really? Allow me to quote you: "You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume to
tell me or anyone else what God MUST do!"
Yet here you are dictating what god cares about. Do you imagine that you're
the one in charge?
God does as God pleases!
SNIP
And I think that's as much as I care to feed your ego with my
attention.
And mine, yours.
Grow up! Get over yourself. God exists whether you like it or not.
Well, you exist, and you seem to be dictating the rules of the god.
You must believe you're the god.
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Prosecutors: Couple confess to killing family on Christmas Eve
a.. Woman, boyfriend each charged with six counts of
aggravated
first-degree murder
b.. Victims include Michele Anderson's parents and brother
and
sister-in-law
c.. Anderson's 6-year-old niece and 3-year-old nephew were
also
killed
d.. Court documents: Joseph McEnroe shot the children in the
head
SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- After slaughtering their parents,
Joseph McEnroe
apologized to his girlfriend's young niece and nephew before
shooting
both
in the head to end a Christmas Eve massacre, prosecutors
alleged Friday.
But even as they filed aggravated first-degree murder charges
against
McEnroe and Michele Anderson, prosecutors could not say what
might have
driven the couple in the violent killing spree.
Re: ** God Slaughters Family on Christmas Eve -- Praise Jesus
! **
^ ^ ^ ^ ????
I don't remember God being charged! I remember the sister
of the
main victim CONFESSING to the murders, along with her
boyfriend!
God's name was never mentioned!
So you need to apologize for lying!
But since the god supposedly created everything with full
knowledge of everything everything would do, it's ultimately
responsible for everything.
It basically planned the pulling of those triggers, so yes, it
murdered
those people.
^^^^^ ..... So... if I got your point of view correct, God
knew
you were going to type the above nonsense. In fact, you are
saying God FORCED you to type the above nonsense!
If an omniscient creator of the universe exists, it created the
specific universe in which I wrote the above, and you wrote your
reply, and not a different universe in which we didn't.
As I have said, I will say again, and it's quite brief, so I
don't
mind saying it JUST FOR YOU.
When you're In Charge, YOU get to tell us how things are, and how
things should be.
So you are agreeing that if the god exists, the god is in charge?
That means
the god is in charge of the slaughter too, right?
^ ^ ^ ^ I see we're not communicating!
No, we're exchanging information. We are communicating.
When you are in charge, you get to make the rules.
Part of the rules is, you will then get to decide on
Who is Right and Who is Wrong,
What is Right and What is Wrong.
Yes. I agree.
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE what's
going on or why.
Neither do you.
Actually, that's not entirely accurate.
It is entirely accurate, you're pretentious that it is otherwise fall
flat on their face. You cannot even read the Hebrew Bible in context,
let alone the Greek customs.
There's this book the Bible. Those of us who take it seriously know
the GENERAL OUTLINE of what has happened thus far in human history,
and the general outline of what's coming.
And you never get it right. It has to do with the Hebrew Bible being to
creation myths. And you're not smart enough to figure that out to start
with.
What is happening now-- I believe and others like me do-- is what's
called "The Great Tribulation."
You are a failed prophet so what you believe is really immaterial. But
then, in general, you're a failure. You do not know what your grimmorie
tells you, because, you can read in context only & only if you are
allowed to give the interpolation's. Without challenge. Unfortunately
for you, almost every atheist knows more about your Bibles that you do.
We know more about the history, and the making of those Bibles than you
will. Sadly this is no great feat.
Yet you act as if you do.
You just said I don't know what's going on. Actualy, I do.
And exactly when did this earth shattering event occur? Last I looked,
the earth is still orbiting the sun, and life goes on. That alone
indicates that you still have not figured out what's going on.
At least I know a WHOLE LOT more than you do.
What about, your mythology. Obviously not. Technical writing, not
likely. How about, the fantasies of the new Walter Mitty, John D.
Weatherly?
Snip
Right, if the god is omniscient and created the universe, then yes,
its will
is in absolute charge, just as you insist. Our free will is merely
an illusion.
And I won't continue to even attempt to communicate with you when
you are DELIBERATELY offensive.
As opposed to, everybody is supposed to attempt to communicate with you,
when you are actually knowingly, deliberately, and with intent,
offensive. Hypocrite.
"Have some respect" and we may take it a step farther.
Respect is not automatic. It is earned. You claim to have served in the
military, and you don't even understand that much?
Snip.
How odd. The usual scripture under discussion in alt atheism is the
one for the Christian god. And that scripture states quite clearly
that the god-character is for some reason deeply concerned with all
sorts of personal opinions, actions, alliances, and dietary trivia.
What scripture are you talking about?
How many times you picked your nose last week isn't something He
particularly cares about.
Really? Allow me to quote you: "You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume
to tell me or anyone else what God MUST do!"
Yet here you are dictating what god cares about. Do you imagine that
you're the one in charge?
God does as God pleases!
SNIP
And I think that's as much as I care to feed your ego with my
attention.
And mine, yours.
Grow up! Get over yourself. God exists whether you like it or not.
Well, you exist, and you seem to be dictating the rules of the god.
You must believe you're the god.
which wannabe this time jonny, the one who can only pout when things are
not going his way. And when that does not work, rant and rave and say
nothing. And when that does not work, throw a temper tantrum. So far,
you struck out three times in that attempt. But then, it doesn't matter
to you, you got to irritate others. Or so you think read.
walksalone, who is so grateful to his elders for teaching him to think
for himself. Had they not done so, my mother have may have gotten her
way and I have ended up just like Johnnie. Now there's grounds for
cutting your throat.
"Homage to thee, Osiris, Lord of eternity, King of the Gods, whose names
are manifold, whose forms are holy, thou being of hidden form in the
temples, whose Ka is holy. Thou art the governor of Tattu (Busiris), and
also the mighty one in Sekhem (Letopolis). Thou art the Lord to whom
praises are ascribed in the nome of Ati, thou art the Prince of divine
food in Anu. Thou art the Lord who is commemorated in Maati, the Hidden
Soul, the Lord of Qerrt (Elephantine), the Ruler supreme in White Wall
(Memphis). Thou art the Soul of Ra, his own body, and hast thy place of
rest in Henensu (Herakleopolis). Thou art the beneficent one, and art
praised in Nart. Thou makest thy soul to be raised up. Thou art the
Lord of the Great House in Khemenu (Hermopolis). Thou art the mighty one
of victories in Shas-hetep, the Lord of eternity, the Governor of Abydos.
The path of his throne is in Ta-tcheser (a part of Abydos). Thy name is
established in the mouths of men.
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:39:58 -0700, "Reality_Check©"
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Snip prior tragedy that the xian god, should it exist, is directly
responsible for.
Snip prior JW posturing and response to same
When you are in charge, you get to make the rules.
Part of the rules is, you will then get to decide on
Who is Right and Who is Wrong,
What is Right and What is Wrong.
Yes. I agree.
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE what's
going on or why.
Neither do you.
Actually, that's not entirely accurate.
Are you going to use more your special definitions for accurate? Or are
you simply going to posture, wave your arms, blow smoke, and pretend that
you have answered the objection? Of course you are.
There's this book the Bible. Those of us who take it seriously know
the GENERAL OUTLINE of what has happened thus far in human history,
and the general outline of what's coming.
No, there is no singular book known as the Bible. There is the Hebrew
Bible, and the Greek Testaments combined, combined, they are want xianity
uses for its dogma. Unless you are god, you cannot know the validity of
the claims made therein. And you lack the knowledge to understand how much
of it is historically inaccurate. This does not stop you from pretending
to know. And being able to claim it's accurate.
What is happening now-- I believe and others like me do-- is what's
called "The Great Tribulation."
It's called population density and the insanity that ensues therefrom.
Another name for it is the Locust effect. But these are beyond your
ability to comprehend, let alone understand.
Yet you act as if you do.
You just said I don't know what's going on. Actualy, I do.
Actually, you don't. You delve into your combined grimories, find a
passage you like, and declare it to be fact. You base it on flawed
assumptions made on your part, based on flawed presentations made on the
translator's part. Add to that, it's a flawed story to start with.
At least I know a WHOLE LOT more than you do.
You know a whole lot less than you think you do, and this has been verified
and established beyond any reasonable doubt. You do not even have the
ability to interpolate the Temple story correctly, but you pretend you do.
You are even under the assumption that December the 25th is really the day
for priced mass, when according to your precious Greek Testaments, it's
anything but.
snip
Right, if the god is omniscient and created the universe, then yes,
its will
is in absolute charge, just as you insist. Our free will is merely
an illusion.
And I won't continue to even attempt to communicate with you when
you are DELIBERATELY offensive.
Translation, he knows too much.
"Have some respect" and we may take it a step farther.
You cannot take it a step further, you can only blow smoke and pretend that
you have superior knowledge when in fact, you have no knowledge at all.
That observation is based on your posting history. Eight years of it.
snip
How many times you picked your nose last week isn't something He
particularly cares about.
Really? Allow me to quote you: "You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume
to tell me or anyone else what God MUST do!"
snip
Well, you exist, and you seem to be dictating the rules of the god.
You must believe you're the god.
Dennis, he does not believe he is the god, he knows he is the god. But
then, he's narcissistic to a degree that is rarely encountered on USENET.
And that is a good thing, it demonstrates how could xianity can derail an
individual and make their life, a shambles. If you have ever encountered a
condensed history of this individual, you can only smile to yourself and
know you have been lied to.
Which wannabe this time jonny, the one who does not even understand what
the Bible™ really is or is not? That's been obvious for years, how about
the one who knows he can speak for god, because, he is special, god loves
him, and heating cherry pick quotes all day long. Never mind the quotes
did not fit the passages under discussion, unless you take them out of
historical and theological context.
walksalone, who has given jonny three ways to avoid having his nose rubbed
in his own mess where I'm concerned. That he likes to continue to seek
having his nose rubbed in his mess is his business, even though he whines
and pretend he's being picked on
And now, another example of how astute St. John, the liar is not.
John, the default of Agent, my newsreader for umpteen years, is to
DOUBLE left click. Left click -twice- on the URL. If that does not
work do this:
Thanks, Falcon. Though I would debate that this is the "default". I
keep hearing it sets up that way, but in my 3 years with Agent, and
the hundred times I've installed/reinstalled it (I somehow seem to
crash my system about every other month) it's NEVER "defaulted" to a
double click.
At any rate, I've now set it to that, and it works! I'm not even
saying I'm going to use it. I just like to learn new stuff.
"Many donkeys!"
In Christ,
John W
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<snip>
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE what's
going on or why.
Neither do you.
Actually, that's not entirely accurate.
There's this book the Bible.
Let me get this straight. We can take the Bible seriously because God
wrote it, and we know this because the Bible says so?
Those of us who take it seriously
How does circular logic qualify as "seriously"?
know
the GENERAL OUTLINE of what has happened thus far in human history,
Not according to what we know from archeology.
and the general outline of what's coming.
What is happening now-- I believe and others like me do-- is what's
called "The Great Tribulation."
Do you have any idea how many previous generations thought they were
living in the final times? Check out the panics at the first millenium.
Yet you act as if you do.
You just said I don't know what's going on. Actualy, I do.
At least I know a WHOLE LOT more than you do.
Do you take the Book of Mormon as seriously as you do the Bible? If not,
why not?
You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume to tell me or anyone else
what God MUST do!
Right, if the god is omniscient and created the universe, then yes,
its will
is in absolute charge, just as you insist. Our free will is merely
an illusion.
And I won't continue to even attempt to communicate with you when
you are DELIBERATELY offensive.
"Have some respect" and we may take it a step farther.
Look, you're just talking past each other. One of you exalts knowledge
by faith above understanding by evidence, and the other one takes the
opposite view. Neither one of you is bound to "respect" the other's
assumptions, and neither one of you is likely to convince the other.
Not at all, mental dwarf.
I don't find any scripture that says God cares a whit whether you
wear white undies or purple, or what brand of toothpaste you buy, or
precisely what neighborhood you live in.
He is likely concerned with who you marry.
And I doubt-- if you are single-- He cares which hand you use to
pleasure yourself.
He's concerned with the big picture.
How odd. The usual scripture under discussion in alt atheism is the
one for the Christian god. And that scripture states quite clearly
that the god-character is for some reason deeply concerned with all
sorts of personal opinions, actions, alliances, and dietary trivia.
What scripture are you talking about?
How many times you picked your nose last week isn't something He
particularly cares about.
Really? Allow me to quote you: "You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume
to tell me or anyone else what God MUST do!"
Yet here you are dictating what god cares about. Do you imagine that
you're the one in charge?
God does as God pleases!
SNIP
And I think that's as much as I care to feed your ego with my
attention.
And mine, yours.
Grow up! Get over yourself. God exists whether you like it or not.
If God exists, then he exists no matter who likes it. If he doesn't,
then he doesn't no matter who likes that.
Spare the wear and tear and your keyboards.
Well, you exist,
Just as hard to prove that.
and you seem to be dictating the rules of the god.
You must believe you're the god.
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<snip>
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE what's
going on or why.
Neither do you.
Actually, that's not entirely accurate.
There's this book the Bible.
Let me get this straight. We can take the Bible seriously because God
wrote it, and we know this because the Bible says so?
I truly don't need to get into long discussions -- or even short
ones -- with people who aren't actually interested in exchanging
information, but simply want to "make cute."
Those of us who take it seriously
How does circular logic qualify as "seriously"?
If all you seek is circular logic, you should read yourself
sometime!
If you don't see ANY prophesy in the Bible ( from between 2,000 and
5,000 years ago) being fulfilled in the last 50 - 100 years, you are
blind. Or you simply haven't read the book you are reviewing.
If you don't see in the Psalms and the Proverbs and Ecclesiastes,
vivid descriptions of human behavior and criminology, you aren't
trying.
if you don't read Song of Solomon and recognize a VERY erotic (for
its time) Eastern "Pillow Book" (< look it up), you aren't trying, or
you never bothered to read it.
If you didn't realize that Song was a Pillow Book, you aren't trying.
In fact, when I was a kid, pastors would not read Song of Solomon in
church. It was considered WAY too "hard core" (< as we'd say today.)
know
the GENERAL OUTLINE of what has happened thus far in human history,
Not according to what we know from archeology.
You don't know how to interpret "archaeology."
You can't even spell it!
and the general outline of what's coming.
What is happening now-- I believe and others like me do-- is what's
called "The Great Tribulation."
Do you have any idea how many previous generations thought they were
living in the final times? Check out the panics at the first millenium.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Merely because previous generations had their hard times and thought
the sky was falling doesn't change what's happening now.
I'm betting you have NO idea how many Bible prophesies were
fulfilled just within the past -- say -- 100 years.
Yet you act as if you do.
You just said I don't know what's going on. Actualy, I do.
At least I know a WHOLE LOT more than you do.
Do you take the Book of Mormon as seriously as you do the Bible?
Of course not!
If not,
why not?
Why do you ask? Are you a Mormon?
One good reason: We know MOST of the authors of the Bible. They are
/ were "credentialed." I won't explain that remark. You wouldn't get
it, and you would argue.
We don't know where the Book of Mormon came from . (well, we do, and
we don't)
It certainly bears faint similarity to the Bible. But there ARE some
very amusing aspects of the Book of Mormon that you likely aren't even
aware of.
It's HEAVILY PLAGIARIZED (I mean whole passages LIFTED) from other
sources. That's a HUGE no-no.
One of the sources the "1st Century sources" for the Book of Mormon
is the King James Bible.
That's right. If you know where to look, HUGE CHUNKS of the KJV are
in the Book of Mormon, that's supposed to predate the KJV by a
Thousand Years!
chuckle.
The "author" of the Book of Mormon lifted entire passages from the
KJV to "give the Book of Mormon apparent credibility."
oops!
You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume to tell me or anyone else
what God MUST do!
Right, if the god is omniscient and created the universe, then yes,
its will
is in absolute charge, just as you insist. Our free will is merely
an illusion.
And I won't continue to even attempt to communicate with you when
you are DELIBERATELY offensive.
"Have some respect" and we may take it a step farther.
Look, you're just talking past each other. One of you exalts knowledge
by faith above understanding by evidence, and the other one takes the
opposite view. Neither one of you is bound to "respect" the other's
assumptions, and neither one of you is likely to convince the other.
I won't discuss the issues with someone who MUST make nasty remarks
about God and the Bible, no matter what his / her views.
PERIOD.
Not at all, mental dwarf.
I don't find any scripture that says God cares a whit whether you
wear white undies or purple, or what brand of toothpaste you buy, or
precisely what neighborhood you live in.
He is likely concerned with who you marry.
And I doubt-- if you are single-- He cares which hand you use to
pleasure yourself.
He's concerned with the big picture.
How odd. The usual scripture under discussion in alt atheism is the
one for the Christian god. And that scripture states quite clearly
that the god-character is for some reason deeply concerned with all
sorts of personal opinions, actions, alliances, and dietary trivia.
You seem to be hung up in the Old Testament. Or perhaps you use
whichever one you think you need to "make your point."
I don't know what you mean by "persona opinion." God is certainly
concerned with our actions.
I think I don't get what's wrong with the overall command: "Treat
people the way you wish to be treated." sounds pretty solid to me.
The bit about alliances boils down to a simple study of two concepts
I can think of off the top.
Don't ally yourself to those who are up to no good. "Guilt by
association." The new way of saying "You're known by the company you
keep." And- "even if you only drove the get-away car, if someone was
killed during that bank robbery, you're equally guilty of murder."
Such advice had to have its origin SOMEWHERE. Many of us believe the
origin for such criminology was the Bible. At least it's prominent in
the Bible.
If you were not aware, Jesus cancelled the dietary laws. They were
given for a reason. When Jesus came, He said, "it's a new age."
I could explain that in more detail, but you likely won't agree with
what I've said already. I see no point in wasting my keystrokes.
What scripture are you talking about?
How many times you picked your nose last week isn't something He
particularly cares about.
Really? Allow me to quote you: "You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume
to tell me or anyone else what God MUST do!"
I say, "God isn't concerned with how many times you've picked your
nose this week" because -- other than your knowing to wash your hands
afterwards-- the topic of picking your nose isn't mentioned.
The Mosaic laws are DETAILED for a reason. God wanted to teach the
Jews who was ok to have sex with, who was not. So He gave them lists.
Don't "do it" with your sister, with your mother, with your daughter,
or with any relative by marriage (not your mo-in-law, your sis-in-law,
or your daughter-in-law; nieces and nephews by blood and by marriage
are likewise excluded)
Don't eat this stuff, don't eat that stuff (way back then, they
couldn't adequately cook certain stuff. By the time of Jesus, the Jews
DID know how to properly cook pork and sea food.
Yet here you are dictating what god cares about. Do you imagine that
you're the one in charge?
God does as God pleases!
SNIP
And I think that's as much as I care to feed your ego with my
attention.
And mine, yours.
Grow up! Get over yourself. God exists whether you like it or not.
If God exists, then he exists no matter who likes it. If he doesn't,
then he doesn't no matter who likes that.
True. But if you're going to cop attitude, you and I don't need to
even ATTEMPT to exchange information.
In my days, I have talked with many an atheist. Many have been
respectful; many haven't. I just had an old high school chum contact
me last year. First thing he did was-- after about 3 e-mail exchanges
and a phone call or two, he told me I was an insane jerk for
believing.
We don't talk anymore.
"small loss."
Spare the wear and tear and your keyboards.
Well, you exist,
Just as hard to prove that.
and you seem to be dictating the rules of the god.
You must believe you're the god.
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<snip>
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE what's
going on or why.
Neither do you.
Actually, that's not entirely accurate.
There's this book the Bible.
Let me get this straight. We can take the Bible seriously because God
wrote it, and we know this because the Bible says so?
I truly don't need to get into long discussions -- or even short
ones -- with people who aren't actually interested in exchanging
information, but simply want to "make cute."
You implied that the Bible was a reliable source concerning the divine plan.
Can you back that up with anything besides the Bible itself or the fact that
you believe in it?
Those of us who take it seriously
How does circular logic qualify as "seriously"?
If all you seek is circular logic, you should read yourself
sometime!
If you don't see ANY prophesy in the Bible ( from between 2,000 and
5,000 years ago) being fulfilled in the last 50 - 100 years, you are
blind. Or you simply haven't read the book you are reviewing.
Oddly enough people saw prophecies being fulfilled (the same ones) again and
again for thousands of years. It all seems rather subjective.
If you don't see in the Psalms and the Proverbs and Ecclesiastes,
vivid descriptions of human behavior and criminology, you aren't
trying.
That the people who wrote it had some experience with human nature hardly
makes the book divine.
if you don't read Song of Solomon and recognize a VERY erotic (for
its time) Eastern "Pillow Book" (< look it up), you aren't trying, or
you never bothered to read it.
Which does not make it divine.
If you didn't realize that Song was a Pillow Book, you aren't trying.
In fact, when I was a kid, pastors would not read Song of Solomon in
church. It was considered WAY too "hard core" (< as we'd say today.)
What is the possible relevance of the above to the question of whether or
not the book is divinely inspired?
know
the GENERAL OUTLINE of what has happened thus far in human history,
Not according to what we know from archeology.
You don't know how to interpret "archaeology."
You can't even spell it!
and the general outline of what's coming.
What is happening now-- I believe and others like me do-- is what's
called "The Great Tribulation."
Do you have any idea how many previous generations thought they were
living in the final times? Check out the panics at the first millenium.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Merely because previous generations had their hard times and thought
the sky was falling doesn't change what's happening now.
Or make it prophecy fulfilled.
I'm betting you have NO idea how many Bible prophesies were
fulfilled just within the past -- say -- 100 years.
None that spell out anything that can only be one specific event in history.
snip
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<snip>
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE
what's going on or why.
Neither do you.
Actually, that's not entirely accurate.
There's this book the Bible.
Let me get this straight. We can take the Bible seriously because
God wrote it, and we know this because the Bible says so?
I truly don't need to get into long discussions -- or even short
ones -- with people who aren't actually interested in exchanging
information, but simply want to "make cute."
You implied that the Bible was a reliable source concerning the
divine plan. Can you back that up with anything besides the Bible
itself or the fact that you believe in it?
Hell, I'd even give this imbecile Weatherly credit if he could provide
a direct citation to the Bible ... the *original* New Testament scripture.
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wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
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author.
<snip>
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE
what's going on or why.
Neither do you.
Actually, that's not entirely accurate.
There's this book the Bible.
Let me get this straight. We can take the Bible seriously because
God wrote it, and we know this because the Bible says so?
I truly
Liar !
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wrote:
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<snip>
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE what's
going on or why.
Neither do you.
Actually, that's not entirely accurate.
There's this book the Bible.
Let me get this straight. We can take the Bible seriously because God
wrote it, and we know this because the Bible says so?
I truly don't need to get into long discussions -- or even short
ones -- with people who aren't actually interested in exchanging
information, but simply want to "make cute."
Those of us who take it seriously
How does circular logic qualify as "seriously"?
If all you seek is circular logic, you should read yourself
sometime!
If you don't see ANY prophesy in the Bible ( from between 2,000 and
5,000 years ago) being fulfilled in the last 50 - 100 years, you are
blind. Or you simply haven't read the book you are reviewing.
If you don't see in the Psalms and the Proverbs and Ecclesiastes,
vivid descriptions of human behavior and criminology, you aren't
trying.
if you don't read Song of Solomon and recognize a VERY erotic (for
its time) Eastern "Pillow Book" (< look it up), you aren't trying, or
you never bothered to read it.
If you didn't realize that Song was a Pillow Book, you aren't trying.
In fact, when I was a kid, pastors would not read Song of Solomon in
church. It was considered WAY too "hard core" (< as we'd say today.)
know
the GENERAL OUTLINE of what has happened thus far in human history,
Not according to what we know from archeology.
You don't know how to interpret "archaeology."
You can't even spell it!
and the general outline of what's coming.
What is happening now-- I believe and others like me do-- is what's
called "The Great Tribulation."
Do you have any idea how many previous generations thought they were
living in the final times? Check out the panics at the first
millenium.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Merely because previous generations had their hard times and thought
the sky was falling doesn't change what's happening now.
I'm betting you have NO idea how many Bible prophesies were
fulfilled just within the past -- say -- 100 years.
Yet you act as if you do.
You just said I don't know what's going on. Actualy, I do.
At least I know a WHOLE LOT more than you do.
Do you take the Book of Mormon as seriously as you do the Bible?
Of course not!
If not,
why not?
Why do you ask? Are you a Mormon?
One good reason: We know MOST of the authors of the Bible. They are
/ were "credentialed." I won't explain that remark. You wouldn't get
it, and you would argue.
We don't know where the Book of Mormon came from . (well, we do, and
we don't)
It certainly bears faint similarity to the Bible. But there ARE some
very amusing aspects of the Book of Mormon that you likely aren't even
aware of.
It's HEAVILY PLAGIARIZED (I mean whole passages LIFTED) from other
sources. That's a HUGE no-no.
One of the sources the "1st Century sources" for the Book of Mormon
is the King James Bible.
That's right. If you know where to look, HUGE CHUNKS of the KJV are
in the Book of Mormon, that's supposed to predate the KJV by a
Thousand Years!
chuckle.
The "author" of the Book of Mormon lifted entire passages from the
KJV to "give the Book of Mormon apparent credibility."
oops!
You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume to tell me or anyone else
what God MUST do!
Right, if the god is omniscient and created the universe, then yes,
its will
is in absolute charge, just as you insist. Our free will is merely
an illusion.
And I won't continue to even attempt to communicate with you when
you are DELIBERATELY offensive.
"Have some respect" and we may take it a step farther.
Look, you're just talking past each other. One of you exalts knowledge
by faith above understanding by evidence, and the other one takes the
opposite view. Neither one of you is bound to "respect" the other's
assumptions, and neither one of you is likely to convince the other.
I won't discuss the issues with someone who MUST make nasty remarks
about God and the Bible, no matter what his / her views.
PERIOD.
Not at all, mental dwarf.
I don't find any scripture that says God cares a whit whether
you
wear white undies or purple, or what brand of toothpaste you buy,
or
precisely what neighborhood you live in.
He is likely concerned with who you marry.
And I doubt-- if you are single-- He cares which hand you use to
pleasure yourself.
He's concerned with the big picture.
How odd. The usual scripture under discussion in alt atheism is the
one for the Christian god. And that scripture states quite clearly
that the god-character is for some reason deeply concerned with all
sorts of personal opinions, actions, alliances, and dietary trivia.
You seem to be hung up in the Old Testament. Or perhaps you use
whichever one you think you need to "make your point."
I don't know what you mean by "persona opinion." God is certainly
concerned with our actions.
I think I don't get what's wrong with the overall command: "Treat
people the way you wish to be treated." sounds pretty solid to me.
The bit about alliances boils down to a simple study of two concepts
I can think of off the top.
Don't ally yourself to those who are up to no good. "Guilt by
association." The new way of saying "You're known by the company you
keep." And- "even if you only drove the get-away car, if someone was
killed during that bank robbery, you're equally guilty of murder."
Such advice had to have its origin SOMEWHERE. Many of us believe the
origin for such criminology was the Bible. At least it's prominent in
the Bible.
If you were not aware, Jesus cancelled the dietary laws. They were
given for a reason. When Jesus came, He said, "it's a new age."
I could explain that in more detail, but you likely won't agree with
what I've said already. I see no point in wasting my keystrokes.
What scripture are you talking about?
How many times you picked your nose last week isn't something He
particularly cares about.
Really? Allow me to quote you: "You're not IN CHARGE, so don't
presume
to tell me or anyone else what God MUST do!"
I say, "God isn't concerned with how many times you've picked your
nose this week" because -- other than your knowing to wash your hands
afterwards-- the topic of picking your nose isn't mentioned.
The Mosaic laws are DETAILED for a reason. God wanted to teach the
Jews who was ok to have sex with, who was not. So He gave them lists.
Don't "do it" with your sister, with your mother, with your daughter,
or with any relative by marriage (not your mo-in-law, your sis-in-law,
or your daughter-in-law; nieces and nephews by blood and by marriage
are likewise excluded)
Don't eat this stuff, don't eat that stuff (way back then, they
couldn't adequately cook certain stuff. By the time of Jesus, the Jews
DID know how to properly cook pork and sea food.
Yet here you are dictating what god cares about. Do you imagine that
you're the one in charge?
God does as God pleases!
SNIP
And I think that's as much as I care to feed your ego with my
attention.
And mine, yours.
Grow up! Get over yourself. God exists whether you like it or
not.
If God exists, then he exists no matter who likes it. If he doesn't,
then he doesn't no matter who likes that.
True. But if you're going to cop attitude, you and I don't need to
even ATTEMPT to exchange information.
In my days, I have talked with many an atheist. Many have been
respectful; many haven't. I just had an old high school chum contact
me last year. First thing he did was-- after about 3 e-mail exchanges
and a phone call or two, he told me I was an insane jerk for
believing.
We don't talk anymore.
"small loss."
Spare the wear and tear and your keyboards.
Well, you exist,
Just as hard to prove that.
and you seem to be dictating the rules of the god.
You must believe you're the god.
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:46:16 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post
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<snip>
Since you aren't privy to the Divine Plan, you have NO CLUE
what's
going on or why.
Neither do you.
Actually, that's not entirely accurate.
There's this book the Bible.
Let me get this straight. We can take the Bible seriously because God
wrote it, and we know this because the Bible says so?
I truly don't need to get into long discussions -- or even short
ones -- with people who aren't actually interested in exchanging
information, but simply want to "make cute."
I'll plead guilty to being a smartass, but that doesn't make my question
inapt. You believe in God's Divine Plan, which is validated by the
Bible; you believe in the Bible, which is validated by God's Divine
Plan.
Those of us who take it seriously
How does circular logic qualify as "seriously"?
If all you seek is circular logic, you should read yourself
sometime!
I'm not the one seeking circular logic. If I'm guilty of such an
argument, then my argument is invalid. Could you point out such an
instance?
Note that circular logic doesn't make your argument false.
If you don't see ANY prophesy in the Bible ( from between 2,000 and
5,000 years ago) being fulfilled in the last 50 - 100 years, you are
blind. Or you simply haven't read the book you are reviewing.
First of all the Bible is written in languages that you don't read.
You're relying on translations. Secondly, all the "prophesy" is really
postdiction -- trying to fit the facts of modern history into a a known
text. In addition the prophesies aren't particular specific. If I say
that there will be a great earthquake in California, for instance,
eventually I'll be hailed as a prophet.
If you don't see in the Psalms and the Proverbs and Ecclesiastes,
vivid descriptions of human behavior and criminology, you aren't
trying.
But I do. I also see these attributes in The Iliad. What does that
have to do with God's Divine Plan?
if you don't read Song of Solomon and recognize a VERY erotic (for
its time) Eastern "Pillow Book" (< look it up), you aren't trying, or
you never bothered to read it.
I've read the Song of Solomon, I don't need to look up the meaning of
"pillow book," and I agree with you. What does this have to do with
God's Divine Plan?
If you didn't realize that Song was a Pillow Book, you aren't trying.
In fact, when I was a kid, pastors would not read Song of Solomon in
church. It was considered WAY too "hard core" (< as we'd say today.)
know
the GENERAL OUTLINE of what has happened thus far in human history,
Not according to what we know from archeology.
You don't know how to interpret "archaeology."
You can't even spell it!
My spelling is considered an acceptable alternative, but it's true that
I'm not an expert in the subject. However, I can read what experts have
written.
and the general outline of what's coming.
What is happening now-- I believe and others like me do-- is
what's
called "The Great Tribulation."
Do you have any idea how many previous generations thought they were
living in the final times? Check out the panics at the first
millenium.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
What does that mean? Contrary evidence bores you to sleep?
Merely because previous generations had their hard times and thought
the sky was falling doesn't change what's happening now.
And you don't see the parallel between your "hard times" and falling
skies and similar predictions of doom from the Bible?
I'm betting you have NO idea how many Bible prophesies were
fulfilled just within the past -- say -- 100 years.
Let's start with an easy one that may illustrate my skepticism: God's
promise to Abraham: "Look up to the heavens and count the stars, if you
can count them.... So shall be your seed."
Has that been fulfilled? Well, we've got two questions: who are
Abraham's seed? And how many is the number of the stars? One obvious
answer to the first is the Jewish answer: the descendants of Abraham are
today's Jews. The second is a little harder. Are we to take this
literally? After all, as numerous as the stars seem, you can only count
a few thousand when you look at the night sky. But perhaps this is
metaphorical for the actual number of stars, which is on the order of a
billion trillion. Now the number of Jews alive today is about 13M, which
neatly fits between a few thousand and a billion trillion. But is that
really much of a prophecy? But let's go further in metaphor and allow
that the trope merely means "many." 13M is a very small fraction of the
world population of about 6.5B, and there are fewer Jews alive today than
there were 70 years ago. Well, perhaps it's not numbers that count but
influence, and after all Judaism gave rise to both Christianity and Islam
and we can number the adherents of these religions over 2B. But if
you're free to pick both the target number and the target subset of
humanity, then this really isn't much of a prediction.
But perhaps you have a prophecy in mind that is more specific and doesn't
require interpretation of metaphor.
Yet you act as if you do.
You just said I don't know what's going on. Actualy, I do.
At least I know a WHOLE LOT more than you do.
Do you take the Book of Mormon as seriously as you do the Bible?
Of course not!
If not, why not?
Why do you ask?
I ask because I don't see much rational basis for choosing one over the
other.
Are you a Mormon?
I don't identify my religious affiliation, if any. My arguments stand or
fall on my evidence and logic, not my belief.
One good reason: We know MOST of the authors of the Bible. They are
/ were "credentialed." I won't explain that remark. You wouldn't get
it, and you would argue.
If by "credentialed," you mean that we may rely on the Bible itself to
verify its authors, then of course I would argue. I'd argue circularity
of logic.
We don't know where the Book of Mormon came from . (well, we do, and
we don't)
It certainly bears faint similarity to the Bible. But there ARE some
very amusing aspects of the Book of Mormon that you likely aren't even
aware of.
It's HEAVILY PLAGIARIZED (I mean whole passages LIFTED) from other
sources. That's a HUGE no-no.
I'm aware of the sources of the Book of Mormon, but that's only a huge
no-no (or even a HUGE one) for academic scholarship and commercial
publishing. After all, episodes of the Bible have been lifted from
previous sources like the Epic of Gilgamesh, and I don't hear you
complaining about that.
One of the sources the "1st Century sources" for the Book of Mormon
is the King James Bible.
That's right. If you know where to look, HUGE CHUNKS of the KJV are
in the Book of Mormon, that's supposed to predate the KJV by a
Thousand Years!
chuckle.
The "author" of the Book of Mormon lifted entire passages from the
KJV to "give the Book of Mormon apparent credibility."
oops!
Again, that may invalidate the text from the point of view of literary
investigation, but it doesn't make it false from the point of view of
faith.
You're not IN CHARGE, so don't presume to tell me or anyone else
what God MUST do!
Right, if the god is omniscient and created the universe, then
yes, its will
is in absolute charge, just as you insist. Our free will is merely
an illusion.
And I won't continue to even attempt to communicate with you when
you are DELIBERATELY offensive.
"Have some respect" and we may take it a step farther.
Look, you're just talking past each other. One of you exalts
knowledge by faith above understanding by evidence, and the other one
takes the opposite view. Neither one of you is bound to "respect" the
other's assumptions, and neither one of you is likely to convince the
other.
I won't discuss the issues with someone who MUST make nasty remarks
about God and the Bible, no matter what his / her views.
PERIOD.
Well, Brave Sir Robin, as always, this is entirely up to you. But
nothing I've said can be reasonably interpreted as nasty. I've remarked
above that you're wasting your time talking past the other poster, since
you each hold diametrically opposed assumptions that neither of you is
willing to change. Doesn't seem particularly nasty to me, but YMMV.
Not at all, mental dwarf.
I don't find any scripture that says God cares a whit whether
you
wear white undies or purple, or what brand of toothpaste you buy,
or precisely what neighborhood you live in.
He is likely concerned with who you marry.
And I doubt-- if you are single-- He cares which hand you use to
pleasure yourself.
He's concerned with the big picture.
How odd. The usual scripture under discussion in alt atheism is the
one for the Christian god. And that scripture states quite clearly
that the god-character is for some reason deeply concerned with all
sorts of personal opinions, actions, alliances, and dietary trivia.
You seem to be hung up in the Old Testament.
You seem to think that I wrote the paragraph that starts "How odd." I
didn't.
Or perhaps you use
whichever one you think you need to "make your point."
I don't know what you mean by "persona opinion." God is certainly
concerned with our actions.
I think I don't get what's wrong with the overall command: "Treat
people the way you wish to be treated." sounds pretty solid to me.
The bit about alliances boils down to a simple study of two concepts
I can think of off the top.
Don't ally yourself to those who are up to no good. "Guilt by
association." The new way of saying "You're known by the company you
keep." And- "even if you only drove the get-away car, if someone was
killed during that bank robbery, you're equally guilty of murder."
Such advice had to have its origin SOMEWHERE. Many of us believe the
origin for such criminology was the Bible. At least it's prominent in
the Bible.
If you were not aware, Jesus cancelled the dietary laws. They were
given for a reason. When Jesus came, He said, "it's a new age."
I could explain that in more detail, but you likely won't agree with
what I've said already. I see no point in wasting my keystrokes.
What scripture are you talking about?
How many times you picked your nose last week isn't something He
particularly cares about.
Really? Allow me to quote you: "You're not IN CHARGE, so don't
presume to tell me or anyone else what God MUST do!"
I say, "God isn't concerned with how many times you've picked your
nose this week" because -- other than your knowing to wash your hands
afterwards-- the topic of picking your nose isn't mentioned.
The Mosaic laws are DETAILED for a reason. God wanted to teach the
Jews who was ok to have sex with, who was not. So He gave them lists.
Don't "do it" with your sister, with your mother, with your daughter,
or with any relative by marriage (not your mo-in-law, your sis-in-law,
or your daughter-in-law; nieces and nephews by blood and by marriage
are likewise excluded)
Don't eat this stuff, don't eat that stuff (way back then, they
couldn't adequately cook certain stuff. By the time of Jesus, the Jews
DID know how to properly cook pork and sea food.
Again, you're responding to words I didn't write. But do you really
think that people didn't know how to cook before Jesus? Do you have any
evidence of this?
Yet here you are dictating what god cares about. Do you imagine that
you're the one in charge?
God does as God pleases!
SNIP
And I think that's as much as I care to feed your ego with my
attention.
And mine, yours.
Grow up! Get over yourself. God exists whether you like it or
not.
If God exists, then he exists no matter who likes it. If he doesn't,
then he doesn't no matter who likes that.
True. But if you're going to cop attitude, you and I don't need to
even ATTEMPT to exchange information.
As I said, Brave Sir Robin, the choice is yours. But before I'd claim
that my inferences were correct, I'd make sure my attributions were. But
maybe that's just me.
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