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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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26 Aug 2005 11:30:25 PM |
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!!! Grooming Politicians for Christ |
Anyone _still_ think Christianity isn't fascism in drag?
Christianity and the Taliban. Zero difference.
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Grooming Politicians for Christ
Evangelical programs on Capitol Hill seek to mold a new generation of
leaders who will answer not to voters, but to God.
By Stephanie Simon
Times Staff Writer
August 23, 2005
WASHINGTON - In the blue and gold elegance of the House speaker's private
dining room, Jeremy Bouma bowed his head before eight young men and women
who hope to one day lead the nation. He prayed that they might find wisdom
in the Bible - and govern by its word.
"Holy Father, we thank you for providing us with guidance," said Bouma, who
works for an influential televangelist. "Thank you, Lord, for these
students. Build them up as your warriors and your ambassadors on Capitol
Hill."
"Amen," the students murmured. Then they picked up their pens expectantly.
Nearly every Monday for six months, as many as a dozen congressional aides
- many of them aspiring politicians - have gathered over takeout dinners to
mine the Bible for ancient wisdom on modern policy debates about tax rates,
foreign aid, education, cloning and the Central American Free Trade
Agreement.
Through seminars taught by conservative college professors and devout
members of Congress, the students learn that serving country means first
and always serving Christ.
They learn to view every vote as a religious duty, and to consider
compromise a sin.
That puts them at the vanguard of a bold effort by evangelical
conservatives to mold a new generation of leaders who will answer not to
voters, but to God.
"We help them understand God's purpose for society," said Bouma, who
coordinates the program, known as the Statesmanship Institute, for the Rev.
D. James Kennedy.
At least 3.5 million Americans tune in to Kennedy's sermons, broadcast from
Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Since 1995, the
unabashedly political televangelist has also reached out to the Beltway
elite with his Center for Christian Statesmanship in Washington.
The center sponsors Bible studies, prayer meetings and free "Politics and
Principle" lunches for members of Congress and their staffs, often drawing
crowds in the hundreds.
The Statesmanship Institute, founded two years ago, offers more in-depth
training for $345.
It's one of half a dozen evangelical leadership programs making steady
inroads into Washington.
The most prominent is Patrick Henry College in Purcellville, Va., an hour's
drive from the capital. The college was founded five years ago with the
goal of turning out "Christian men and women who will lead our nation with
timeless biblical values." Nearly every graduate works in government or
with a conservative advocacy group.
The Witherspoon Fellowship has had similar success, placing its graduates
in the White House, Congress, the State Department and legislatures
nationwide. The fellowship brings 42 college students to Washington each
year to study theology and politics - and to work at the conservative
Family Research Council, which lobbies on such social issues as abortion
and same-sex marriage.
Such programs share a commitment to developing leaders who read the Bible
as a blueprint.
As Kennedy put it: "If we leave it to man to decide what's good and evil,
there will be chaos."
"I'm sure there are people who won't appreciate the fact that this class
goes on here in the Capitol," Myal Greene said one recent evening.
He glanced around the stately dining room, reserved for the institute by a
member of Congress. (House regulations allow private groups to hold events
in the Capitol as long as they are noncommercial, nonpolitical and do not
discriminate based on race, creed, color or national origin.)
To Greene, there could hardly be a more appropriate location. He considers
his private faith and his public duty inseparable.
Greene, the deputy press secretary for a Republican congressman from
Florida, signed up for the Statesmanship Institute in part because he felt
his Christian ethics were under constant assault - from lobbyists offering
him free steak dinners, from friends urging him to network over beers.
The seminars proved a revelation. In one, Greene learned that ministers ran
many of America's earliest schools. He hadn't thought much about education
policy before that class. Now he plans to fight for history lessons on the
Founding Fathers' faith, science lessons drawn from the Book of Genesis and
public school prayer.
"It's one thing to have a [biblically inspired] position on one or two
issues," said Greene, 26, who was wearing a wristband printed with the
slogan "Jesus Is My Homie." "This class has you look deeper. It gives you
an intellectual consistency."
On this night, the topic was bioethics. As the students unwrapped deli
sandwiches and brownies, prominent bioethicist Nigel M. deS. Cameron
praised them for thinking about the "great questions of the day" through
the prism of faith.
Too often, he added - to a few startled looks - "Christians are not noted
for using their brains."
In an hourlong lecture, Cameron argued that Christians must move beyond
denouncing abortion to see the "moral outrage" in other common practices,
such as paying Ivy League students to donate eggs in the quest for a
perfect baby.
"Taking human life made in God's image may not be as bad, from God's point
of view, as making human life in your own image," said Cameron, a professor
at Chicago-Kent College of Law. "Our humanity, warts and all, is what we
have been given to steward. It's not to be manipulated."
When Cameron called for questions, one student tentatively raised his hand
to ask about embryonic stem cell research - specifically, the use of
"spare" embryos, frozen in fertility clinics. "Under current practice,
they're going to be discarded" unless they're used for research, he said.
"What do we say about that, as Christians?"
Cameron did not hold back.
"They're going to die anyway, right?" he said, indignant. "We don't apply
the same principle to death row inmates. They're going to die anyway, so
why can't we get some use out of them? We'd be able to do some fascinating
experiments.
"The principle of manipulating human life to get experimental benefit,"
Cameron said, "that is a very, very serious line to cross."
The philosophy animating Cameron's lecture - that federal law should be
based on biblical precepts - troubles the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive
director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
"This nation was founded specifically to avoid the government making
religious and theological decisions," Lynn said. "We are not to turn the
Holy Scriptures of any group into public policy."
Kennedy counters that evangelicals have every right to put up candidates
who vote what they believe to be God's will — and let voters judge them.
To which Lynn responds, with exasperation: "He says that because he knows
in a majority Christian country, the Christian view is going to be
expressed by more voters. They have no problem imposing their biblical
worldview on every American."
Evangelical conservatives acknowledge that's their goal.
And they now have a systematic plan for achieving it.
Early evangelical leaders were determined social activists, championing
causes such as the abolition of slavery and the prohibition of alcohol. But
in the 1920s, a theological dispute split the movement. The more liberal
ministers pushed for continued engagement in politics - and went on to take
leading roles in the civil rights movement and Vietnam War protests.
The conservative faction called for withdrawing from politics and focusing
instead on building up the church.
"Getting into politics didn't fix anything. It just diverted them from
saving souls," said Jim Guth, a political science professor at Furman
University in Greenville, S.C.
With the legalization of abortion in 1973, some fundamentalists began to
argue that they had an obligation to try to arrest society's moral decay.
"We realized we [were] having our little holy huddles but not having any
influence in Washington," said George Roller, a former public school
teacher who now directs Kennedy's Center for Christian Statesmanship.
Ministers such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson jumped headlong into
politics. They succeeded in helping to elect conservatives, starting with
President Reagan. "But things haven't changed very much," said Robert D.
Stacey, chairman of the government department at Patrick Henry College.
"Our candidates tick off the right policy positions, but it turns out, once
they're in office, they're willing to compromise an awful lot - not just to
bend but to break," he said. "Now, religious conservatives are saying they
want the real thing."
To develop such steadfast politicians, evangelicals are building on decades
of work by nonprofit groups such as the Leadership Institute and Young
America's Foundation, which train conservatives in grass-roots activism,
effective campaigning, even how to launch a right-wing magazine.
The new evangelical initiatives reach out to the same up-and-coming
leaders, but put them through courses that sound a lot like a seminary.
"If you're clinging to conservatism just because you like conservatism, you
don't put yourself on the line for your beliefs," Stacey said. "Your
positions need to come from something deeper and more meaningful."
That message resonates with Jessica Echard, 23, who completed the
Statesmanship Institute last year.
Growing up in rural West Virginia, Echard believed passionately in her
church's teachings against abortion, but thought little about such issues
as economic policy or foreign trade.
The institute gave her a framework for evaluating those topics.
Now the director of the Eagle Forum, a conservative lobbying group founded
by Phyllis Schlafly, Echard says Jesus would approve of a call for lower
taxes: "God calls on us to be stewards of our [own] money."
She dips into the Bible to explain her opposition to most global treaties,
reasoning that Americans have a holy obligation to protect their God-given
freedom by avoiding foreign entanglements.
"The Scripture talks of taking every thought and making it captive to
Christ, and that's what the Statesmanship Institute helps us do," Echard
said.
Like other evangelical training programs, the institute avoids endorsing
any party or position. Lecturers this year include a Democratic congressman
and a Republican who says the Lord inspired him to buck President Bush by
demanding a timetable for withdrawing from Iraq.
Homework includes readings from the Bible - but also from Nietzsche,
Engels, Machiavelli and Henry Kissinger.
"We don't tell our students what to think," Roller said.
Yet professors also make clear that "there absolutely is an objective
truth," in the words of Paul J. Bonicelli, academic dean at Patrick Henry
College.
Hannah Woody, for instance, came away from the institute's seminars
confident that abolishing the Department of Education is not just a
Republican goal, but also a Christian imperative.
The Bible gives parents - not some distant bureaucracy - the primary
responsibility for raising children, said Woody, 26, who hopes to one day
run for governor in her home state of North Carolina. (For now, she's
working as a legislative assistant for a Republican congressman from
Kansas.)
Kennedy offers a similar take on education policy in the gilt-edged,
leather-bound Bible his staff delivers to each new member of Congress. In
an introductory essay, Kennedy quotes Scripture to explain God's views on
taxes, capital punishment, gay rights and a dozen other issues. Most of the
policy prescriptions he finds in the Bible dovetail neatly with the
Republican agenda.
That focus on legislative victory disturbs some evangelical leaders, who
would prefer to work on spreading Christian values throughout society.
"Too many programs start with the idea that if we [enact] right-wing,
conservative policies, we'll change America and God will be pleased," said
Ryan Messmore, who runs a leadership academy aimed at helping young
Christians share their faith through the arts, the media and other
professions.
But to Rep. Walter B. Jones, a North Carolina Republican, it's clear the
institute is "doing the Lord's work."
The nation needs more politicians who take their cues from God, not Gallup,
or "our morality will crumble," he warned. "We won't recognize America."
Roller shares that fear. So he ended the recent class on bioethics with a
plea: "Heavenly Father, we pray you will help us to know how we should
respond to these issues."
The students answered as one: "Amen."
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: !!! Grooming Politicians for Christ |
08 Sep 2005 12:19:02 AM |
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In article <0avuh19lm3vtbgb6dtv31i7phffqgf5soq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:36:47 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <nuvoh1lv7rbj2ojf1eq89j1sc2dr6pgvdh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:37:25 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ki8eh11aqqr5724u4qqghdmn5to103h4v1@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:19:54 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <11h7i9g67hovhee@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <11h44go39cqib07@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
Osama's number 1 complaint wasn't the installation of foreign
Satanists
on Saudi Arabian holy lands. That was a biggie but it wasn't his
first
complaint about the United States.
That and our support for Israel, which they also consider their
enemy.
Ah, yes. I forgot about that. The fact that we send Israel so much
money and arms every year without any return is something that
really
needs to stop. Them being there _doesn't_ secure US access to oil.
I think the only solution is to reach some sort of a workable peace
agreement. Granted that's a tall order and efforts have failed for
almost sixty years, but that's no reason to give up.
The Axis of Oil.
Workable requires honesty and integrity on both sides. With
politicians and (most) clergy such is absent.
The problem is that politicians, not statesmen are deciding the issue.
I'm not sure there's much of a difference.
I think that statesmen are politicians who know what the hell they are
doing. The species went extinct about five years ago.
Then ShrubCo are statesmen as they're fully aware they're full of
*****, are dishonest as hell, and stuffing their pockets with treasury
notes.
That's true. they know precisely what they are doing as they ***** over
the country.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: !!! Grooming Politicians for Christ |
10 Sep 2005 12:11:56 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:19:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <0avuh19lm3vtbgb6dtv31i7phffqgf5soq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:36:47 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <nuvoh1lv7rbj2ojf1eq89j1sc2dr6pgvdh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:37:25 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ki8eh11aqqr5724u4qqghdmn5to103h4v1@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:19:54 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <11h7i9g67hovhee@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <11h44go39cqib07@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
Osama's number 1 complaint wasn't the installation of foreign
Satanists
on Saudi Arabian holy lands. That was a biggie but it wasn't his
first
complaint about the United States.
That and our support for Israel, which they also consider their
enemy.
Ah, yes. I forgot about that. The fact that we send Israel so much
money and arms every year without any return is something that
really
needs to stop. Them being there _doesn't_ secure US access to oil.
I think the only solution is to reach some sort of a workable peace
agreement. Granted that's a tall order and efforts have failed for
almost sixty years, but that's no reason to give up.
The Axis of Oil.
Workable requires honesty and integrity on both sides. With
politicians and (most) clergy such is absent.
The problem is that politicians, not statesmen are deciding the issue.
I'm not sure there's much of a difference.
I think that statesmen are politicians who know what the hell they are
doing. The species went extinct about five years ago.
Then ShrubCo are statesmen as they're fully aware they're full of
*****, are dishonest as hell, and stuffing their pockets with treasury
notes.
That's true. they know precisely what they are doing as they ***** over
the country.
Christian Morality®
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: !!! Grooming Politicians for Christ |
11 Sep 2005 02:54:01 AM |
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In article <8u46i1d2q82bea69uuueeh3474f29su8j5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:19:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <0avuh19lm3vtbgb6dtv31i7phffqgf5soq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:36:47 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <nuvoh1lv7rbj2ojf1eq89j1sc2dr6pgvdh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:37:25 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ki8eh11aqqr5724u4qqghdmn5to103h4v1@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:19:54 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <11h7i9g67hovhee@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <11h44go39cqib07@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
Osama's number 1 complaint wasn't the installation of foreign
Satanists
on Saudi Arabian holy lands. That was a biggie but it wasn't
his
first
complaint about the United States.
That and our support for Israel, which they also consider their
enemy.
Ah, yes. I forgot about that. The fact that we send Israel so
much
money and arms every year without any return is something that
really
needs to stop. Them being there _doesn't_ secure US access to
oil.
I think the only solution is to reach some sort of a workable peace
agreement. Granted that's a tall order and efforts have failed for
almost sixty years, but that's no reason to give up.
The Axis of Oil.
Workable requires honesty and integrity on both sides. With
politicians and (most) clergy such is absent.
The problem is that politicians, not statesmen are deciding the issue.
I'm not sure there's much of a difference.
I think that statesmen are politicians who know what the hell they are
doing. The species went extinct about five years ago.
Then ShrubCo are statesmen as they're fully aware they're full of
*****, are dishonest as hell, and stuffing their pockets with treasury
notes.
That's true. they know precisely what they are doing as they ***** over
the country.
Christian Morality®
Conservative Compassion.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: !!! Grooming Politicians for Christ |
13 Sep 2005 09:29:49 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:54:01 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <8u46i1d2q82bea69uuueeh3474f29su8j5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:19:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <0avuh19lm3vtbgb6dtv31i7phffqgf5soq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:36:47 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <nuvoh1lv7rbj2ojf1eq89j1sc2dr6pgvdh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:37:25 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ki8eh11aqqr5724u4qqghdmn5to103h4v1@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:19:54 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <11h7i9g67hovhee@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <11h44go39cqib07@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
Osama's number 1 complaint wasn't the installation of foreign
Satanists
on Saudi Arabian holy lands. That was a biggie but it wasn't
his
first
complaint about the United States.
That and our support for Israel, which they also consider their
enemy.
Ah, yes. I forgot about that. The fact that we send Israel so
much
money and arms every year without any return is something that
really
needs to stop. Them being there _doesn't_ secure US access to
oil.
I think the only solution is to reach some sort of a workable peace
agreement. Granted that's a tall order and efforts have failed for
almost sixty years, but that's no reason to give up.
The Axis of Oil.
Workable requires honesty and integrity on both sides. With
politicians and (most) clergy such is absent.
The problem is that politicians, not statesmen are deciding the issue.
I'm not sure there's much of a difference.
I think that statesmen are politicians who know what the hell they are
doing. The species went extinct about five years ago.
Then ShrubCo are statesmen as they're fully aware they're full of
*****, are dishonest as hell, and stuffing their pockets with treasury
notes.
That's true. they know precisely what they are doing as they ***** over
the country.
Christian Morality®
Conservative Compassion.
Christian Humbleness®.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: !!! Grooming Politicians for Christ |
13 Sep 2005 05:31:05 PM |
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In article <6o2fi1l3b9f3d5sugkmpf1n93h0b851e41@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:54:01 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <8u46i1d2q82bea69uuueeh3474f29su8j5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:19:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <0avuh19lm3vtbgb6dtv31i7phffqgf5soq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:36:47 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <nuvoh1lv7rbj2ojf1eq89j1sc2dr6pgvdh@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:37:25 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ki8eh11aqqr5724u4qqghdmn5to103h4v1@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:19:54 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
wrote:
In article <11h7i9g67hovhee@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <11h44go39cqib07@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
Osama's number 1 complaint wasn't the installation of
foreign
Satanists
on Saudi Arabian holy lands. That was a biggie but it
wasn't
his
first
complaint about the United States.
That and our support for Israel, which they also consider
their
enemy.
Ah, yes. I forgot about that. The fact that we send Israel
so
much
money and arms every year without any return is something that
really
needs to stop. Them being there _doesn't_ secure US access to
oil.
I think the only solution is to reach some sort of a workable
peace
agreement. Granted that's a tall order and efforts have failed
for
almost sixty years, but that's no reason to give up.
The Axis of Oil.
Workable requires honesty and integrity on both sides. With
politicians and (most) clergy such is absent.
The problem is that politicians, not statesmen are deciding the
issue.
I'm not sure there's much of a difference.
I think that statesmen are politicians who know what the hell they are
doing. The species went extinct about five years ago.
Then ShrubCo are statesmen as they're fully aware they're full of
*****, are dishonest as hell, and stuffing their pockets with treasury
notes.
That's true. they know precisely what they are doing as they ***** over
the country.
Christian Morality®
Conservative Compassion.
Christian Humbleness®.
Christian Values®.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: !!! Grooming Politicians for Christ |
16 Sep 2005 11:12:03 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:31:05 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <6o2fi1l3b9f3d5sugkmpf1n93h0b851e41@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:54:01 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <8u46i1d2q82bea69uuueeh3474f29su8j5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
I think that statesmen are politicians who know what the hell they are
doing. The species went extinct about five years ago.
Then ShrubCo are statesmen as they're fully aware they're full of
*****, are dishonest as hell, and stuffing their pockets with treasury
notes.
That's true. they know precisely what they are doing as they ***** over
the country.
Christian Morality®
Conservative Compassion.
Christian Humbleness®.
Christian Values®.
Christian Solutions®.
Amazing how often Christians *are* the problems.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| Title: Re: !!! Grooming Politicians for Christ |
16 Sep 2005 04:43:34 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:31:05 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
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In article <6o2fi1l3b9f3d5sugkmpf1n93h0b851e41@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:54:01 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <8u46i1d2q82bea69uuueeh3474f29su8j5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
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I think that statesmen are politicians who know what the hell the=
y are=20
doing. The species went extinct about five years ago.
Then ShrubCo are statesmen as they're fully aware they're full of
*****, are dishonest as hell, and stuffing their pockets with treas=
ury
notes.
That's true. they know precisely what they are doing as they ***** o=
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the country.
Christian Morality=AE
Conservative Compassion.
Christian Humbleness=AE.
Christian Values=AE.
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Christian Solutions=AE.
Amazing how often Christians *are* the problems.
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Reminds me of the definition of "alcohol."
Alcohol is the cause of and the solution to all of your problems. ;-)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: !!! Grooming Politicians for Christ |
17 Sep 2005 03:35:22 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:43:34 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:31:05 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <6o2fi1l3b9f3d5sugkmpf1n93h0b851e41@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:54:01 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <8u46i1d2q82bea69uuueeh3474f29su8j5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
I think that statesmen are politicians who know what the hell they are
doing. The species went extinct about five years ago.
Then ShrubCo are statesmen as they're fully aware they're full of
*****, are dishonest as hell, and stuffing their pockets with treasury
notes.
That's true. they know precisely what they are doing as they ***** over
the country.
Christian Morality®
Conservative Compassion.
Christian Humbleness®.
Christian Values®.
Christian Solutions®.
Amazing how often Christians *are* the problems.
Reminds me of the definition of "alcohol."
Alcohol is the cause of and the solution to all of your problems. ;-)
{HIC} ;)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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