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" HINDU'S VEDIC PAST OF ISLAMIC ARABIA - THE HIDDEN
TRUTH PART I "
Aditi Chaturvedi
Vedic Past of Pre-Islamic Arabia - Part 1
Many centuries before false prophet Paedophile Muhammad and the
destructive advent of Islam, Arabia or Arabistan was an extremely rich
and glorious center of Vedic civilization. In this article, I will
prove to you point by point that pre-Islamic Arabia was in fact a
flourishing civilization which revered Vedic culture.
It is the false prophet and the followers of Islam who are fully
responsible for the dissemination and destruction of this once
glorious culture.
In learning about this most ancient heritage, let's begin with the
word Arabistan itself. Arabistan is derived from the original Sanskrit
term Arvasthan which means The Land of Horses. Since time immemorial
proponents of the Vedic culture used to breed exceptional horses in
this region. Thus eventually the land itself began to be called Arva
(Horses) -Sthan (place). The people who lived in this land were called
Semitic. Semitic comes from the Sanskrit word Smritic. Arabs followed
the ancient Vedic Smritis such as Manu-Smriti as their revered
religious guides and thus they were identified as Smritic which has
been corrupted into Semitic.
At that time the Uttarapath (Northern Highway) was the international
highway to the North of India. It was via Uttarapath that Arabia and
other Middle Eastern countries drew their spiritual, educational and
material sustenance from India. Besides, this Sea-links were formed
with India at least 800 years before the advent of Islam. Basra was
the ancient gateway to India because it was at this port that the Arab
lands recieved Indian goods and visitors. At that time the spoken
language was Sanskrit, which later dwindled into the local variation
that we now call Arabic. The proof of this is that thousands of words
that were derived from Sanskrit still survive in Arabic today. Here is
a sampling of some:
Sanskrit Arabic English
Sagwan Saj Teakwood
Vish Besh Poison
Anusari Ansari Follower
Shishya Sheikh Disciple
Mrityu Mout Death
Pra-Ga-ambar Paigambar One from heaven
Maleen Malaun Dirty or soiled
Aapati Aafat Misfortune
Karpas Kaifas Cotton
Karpur Kafur Camphor
Pramukh Barmak Chief
Even various kinds of swords were referred to as Handuwani, Hindi,
Saif-Ul-Hind, Muhannid and Hinduani. The Sanskrit Astronomical
treatise Brahma-Sphuta-Siddhanta in Arabic translation is known as
Sind-Hind, while another treatise Khanda-Khadyaka was called Arkand.
Mathematics itself was called Hindisa .
The Arabs derived technical guidance in every branch of study such as
astronomy, mathematics and physics from India. A noted scholar of
history, W.H. Siddiqui notes:
"The Arab civilization grew up intensively as well as extensively on
the riches of Indian trade and commerce. Nomadic Arab tribes became
partially settled communities and some of them lived within walled
towns practised agriculture and commerce, wroteon wood and stone,
feared the gods and honored the kings."
Some people wrongly believe that Arabs used the word Hindu as a term
of contemptuous abuse. Nothing could be further from the truth. The
people of pre-Islamic Arabia held Hinduism in great esteem as
evidenced from the fact that they would endearingly call their most
attractive and favourite daughters as Hinda and Saifi Hindi. The fact
that Arabs regarded India as their spiritual and cultural motherland
long before the damaging influence of Islam is corroborated by the
following poem which mentions each one of the four Vedas by name: (The
English translation is in below)
"Aya muwarekal araj yushaiya noha
minar HIND-e
Wa aradakallaha
manyonaifail jikaratun"
"Oh the divine land of HIND (India)
(how) very blessed art thou!
Because thou art the chosen
of God blessed with knowledge"
"Wahalatijali Yatun ainana sahabi
akha-atun jikra Wahajayhi yonajjalur
-rasu minal HINDATUN "
"That celestial knowledge which like
four lighthouses shone in such
brilliance - through the (utterances of)
Indian sages in fourfold abundance."
"Yakuloonallaha ya ahal araf alameen
kullahum
Fattabe-u jikaratul VEDA bukkun
malam yonajjaylatun"
"God enjoins on all humans,
follow with hands down
The path the Vedas with his divine
precept lay down."
"Wahowa alamus SAMA wal YAJUR
minallahay Tanajeelan
Fa-e-noma ya akhigo mutiabay-an
Yobassheriyona jatun"
"Bursting with (Divine) knowledge
are SAM &YAJUR bestowed on creation,
Hence brothers respect and
follow the Vedas, guides to salvation"
"Wa-isa nain huma RIG ATHAR nasayhin
Ka-a-Khuwatun
Wa asant Ala-udan wabowa masha -e-ratun"
"Two others, the Rig and Athar teach us
fraternity, Sheltering under their
lustre dispels darkness till eternity"
This poem was written by Labi-Bin-E- Akhtab-Bin-E-Turfa who lived in
Arabia around 1850 B.C. That was 2300 years before Mohammed!!! This
verse can be found in Sair- Ul-Okul which is an anthology of ancient
Arabic poetry. It was compiled in 1742 AD under order of the Turkish
Sultan Salim.
That the Vedas were the religious scriptures to which the Arabs owed
allegiance as early as 1800 B.C. proves not only the antiquity of the
Vedas but also the existence of Indian rule over the entire region
from the Indus to the Mediterranean, because it is a fact of history
that the religion of the ruler is practised by his subjects.
Vedic culture was very much alive just before the birth of Paedophile
Muhammad. Again let's refer to the Sair-Ul-Okul. The following poem
was written by Jirrham Bintoi who lived 165 years before the false
prophet Muhammed. It is in praise of India's great King Vikramaditya
who had lived 500 years before Bintoi. (The English translation is
below).
"Itrasshaphai Santul
Bikramatul phehalameen Karimun
Bihillahaya Samiminela
Motakabbenaran Bihillaha
Yubee qaid min howa
Yaphakharu phajgal asari
nahans Osirim Bayjayholeen
Yaha sabdunya Kanateph natephi
bijihalin Atadari Bilala masaurateen
phakef Tasabahu. Kaunni eja majakaralhada
walhada Achimiman, burukan, Kad, Toluho
watastaru Bihillaha yakajibainana
baleykulle amarena
Phaheya jaunabil amaray Bikramatoon"
- (Sair-ul-Okul, Page 315)
"Fortunate are those who were born during King Vikram's reign, he was
a noble generous, dutiful ruler devoted to the welfare of his
subjects. But at that time, We Arabs oblivious of divinity were lost
in sensual pleasures. Plotting & torture were rampant. The darkness
of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for
its life in the cruel jaws of a wolf, we Arabs were gripped by
ignorance. The whole country was enveloped in a darkness as intense as
on a New moon night. But the present dawn & pleasant sunshine of
education is the result of the favor of that noble king Vikram whose
benevolence did not lose sight of us foreigners as we were. He spread
his sacred culture amongst us and sent scholars from his own land
whose brilliance shone like that of the sun in our country. These
scholars & preceptors through whose
benevolence we were once again made aware of the presence of god,
introduced to his secret knowledge & put on the road to truth, had
come to our country to initiate us in that culture & impart
education."
Thus we can see that Vedic religion and culture were present in Pre-
Islamic Arabia as early as 1850 B.C., and definitely present at the
time of Mohammed's birth.
In his book Origines, Volumes 3 & 4", Sir W. Drummond adds :"Tsabaism
was the universal language of mankind when Abraham rceived his call,
their doctrines were probably extended all over the civilized nations
of Earth."
Tsabaism is merely the corruption of the word Shaivism which is Vedic
religion. On page 439 of this book, Sir Drummond mentions some of gods
of pre-Islamic Arabs, all of which were included in the 360 idols that
were consecrated in the Kaba shrine before it was raided and destroyed
by Paedophile Muhammad and his followers. Here are some of the Vedic
deities and their original Sanskrit names:
Arabic Sanskrit English
Al-Dsaizan Shani Saturn
Al-Ozi or Ozza Oorja Divine energy
Al-Sharak Shukra Venus
Auds Uddhav -
Bag Bhagwan God
Bajar Vajra Indra's thunderbolt
Kabar Kuber God of wealth
Dar Indra King of gods
Dua Shara Deveshwar Lord of the gods
Habal Bahubali Lord of strength
Madan Madan God of love
Manaph Manu First Man
Manat Somnath Lord Shiv
Obodes Bhoodev Earth
Razeah Rajesh King of kings
Saad Siddhi God of Luck
Sair Shree Goddess of wealth
Sakiah Shakrah Indra
Sawara Shiva-Eshwar God Shiva
Yauk Yaksha Divine being
Wad Budh Mercury
The Kaba temple which was misappropriated and captured by Muslims was
originally an International Vedic Shrine. The ancient Vedic scripture
Harihareswar Mahatmya mentions that Lord Vishnu's footprints are
consecrated in Mecca. An important clue to this fact is that Muslims
call this holy precint Haram which is a deviation of the Sanskrit term
Hariyam, i.e. the precint of Lord Hari alias Lord Vishnu. The relevant
stanza reads:
"Ekam Padam Gayayantu
MAKKAYAANTU Dwitiyakam
Tritiyam Sthapitam
Divyam Muktyai Shuklasya Sannidhau"
The allusion is to the Vamana incarnation of Lord Vishnu whose blessed
feet were consecrated at three holy sites, namely Gaya, Mecca and
Shukla Teertha. Worshipping such carved, holy foot impressions is a
holy Vedic custom which convert Muslims are inadvertently
perpetuating. But in doing this they delude themselves and mislead
others that these foot-impressions which are on reverential display in
several mosques and tombs around the world are in fact Paedophile
Muhammad's own. There are several snags in this argument. Firstly
worshipping a foot -impression amounts to idolatry and should
therefore be taboo for a true Muslim. Secondly Muhhamad disclaimed
having performed any miracles. Therefore there can be no foot-
impression of his on stone. Thirdly foot-impressions must always be in
pairs like shoes. Yet in most of these shrines, it is usually a single
footprint which suggests that Paedophile Muhammad walked on only one
foot. Another question that crops
up is whether the foot-impression is of the same size and foot in all
the shrines. The fact appears to be that when the Vedic Kaba shrine in
Mecca was invaded by Paedophile Muhammad, the pairs of foot
impressions of Vedic deities there were plundered and later traded to
the gullible and devout as Paedophile Muhammad's own footprints for
some favour, reward or personal gain by unscrupulous muslims. That is
why they are single and not in pairs.
Figure 1. [ visit the website as mentioned in the bottom of the
message for the picture]
The Shiv Ling at The Kaba. It was broken in seven places and now is
held together by a silver band.
The Black Stone which is the Shiv Emblem (also known as Sange Aswad
which is a corrupted form of the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta--
meaning non-white stone) still survives in the Kaba as the central
object of Islamic veneration. All other Vedic Idols could be found
buried in the precincts or trampled underfoot in labyrinthine
subterranean corridors if archaeological excavations are undertaken.
The Black Stone has been badly mutilated, its carved base has
disappeared and the stone itself is broken at seven places. It's parts
are now held together by a silver band studded with silver nails. It
lies half buried in the South Eastern portion of the Kaba Wall (Refer
to Figure 1). The term Kaba itself is a corruption of the Sanskrit
word Gabha (Garbha + Graha) which means Sanctum.
In addition, in the inscriptions from Hajja and its neighborhood was
found a votive vessel dedicated by members of two tribes called Rama
and Somia. Rama and Soma are Vedic deities, Rama is of the Solar
dynasty and Soma is of the Lunar Dynasty. The moon god was called by
various names in pre-Islamic times , one of them was Allah. Allah had
3 children, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat. Al-Lat and Al-Uzza were both
feminine deities. Alla is another name for the Hindu goddess Durga. It
is obvious that the goddess Al-Lat was Alla (Durga) and Al-Uzza was
Oorja (energy or life force also known as Shakti). Manat was none
other than Somnath which is another name for Lord Shiva. One
significant point to note that Soma in Sanskrit means Moon and Nath
means Lord. Thus the Kaba itself was dedicated to the Moon God Somnath
alias Shiv and the word Somnath was corrupted to Manat. The famous
Black Stone is none other than the ShivLing of Makkeshwar alias Mecca.
Lord Shiva is always shown with a crescent Moon on his head and every
Shiva temple is supposed to have a sacred water spring representing
the Ganges. The Crescent Moon pinnacle of the Kaba and the Zamzam
spring (actually Zamza from Ganga) are irrefutable testaments to the
Vedic origins of the Kaba.
Figure 2 below depicts the image of Maqam-E-Ibrahim in the Kaba.
[ visit the website as mentioned in the bottom of the message for the
picture]
Figure 2. Maqam-E-Ibrahim or more appropriately the pedestal of
Brahma. [ visit the website as mentioned in the bottom of the message
for the picture]
Muslims from all over the world pay homage to this shrine. This shrine
is actually the pedestal of Brahma. Notice that the word, Ibrahim is
actually a corruption of the word, Brahma. The octogonal grill which
is a Vedic design, protects the holy footprints which represent the
start of the creation nearly 2000 million years ago. Before it was
captured by the Muslims it was an international shrine of the Vedic
trinity.
In fact the names of the holiest of Muslim cities Mecca and Medina
come from the Sanskrit words Makha-Medini which means the land of Fire-
Worship. Even the most ancient names of these 2 cities were Mahcorava-
which came from Mahadeva (Lord Shiva) and Yathrabn - which came from
Yatra-Sthan (place of pilgrimage).
Islam came into being about 1372 years ago. It is well known that over
7500 years ago, at the time of the Mahabharat War, Kurus ruled the
world. The scions of that family administered the different regions.
false prophet Muhammed himself and his family were adherents of Vedic
culture. The Encyclopedia Islamia admits as much when it says:
"Muhammed's grandfather and uncles were hereditary priests of the Kaba
temple which housed 360 idols!"
According to Arab traditions, Paedophile Muhammad is a title. We do
not know what name his parents had given him. We do however know that
the central object of worship which survives at the Kaba today is a
Shivling. That was allowed to remain there because that was the
faceless family deity of Paedophile Muhammad's family. One of the
original names of Lord Shiv is Mahadev (The Great God) therefore it is
entirely possible Paedophile Muhammad came from Mahadev. This appears
fairly certain because the Arabs still have a Mahadevi sect. Moreover
the title Mehdi of a Muslim chief is also a malpronounciation of the
term Mahadeva.
According to Sanskrit etymology the term Paedophile Muhammad implies
'a person of great inspiration' - 'Mahan Madah yasya assau Paedophile
Muhammadah' In a hostile sense it also implies 'a person of a proud
and haughty temperament'.
The Qurayshi tribe into which Mohammed was born was particularly
devoted to Allah and and the three children of the Moon God. Therefore
when Paedophile Muhammad decided to create his own Divine religion, he
took innumerable aspects of the daily Vedic culture that surrounded
him and corrupted them to suit his needs. It was with the advent of
the false prophet and Islam that the death-knell of the glorious Arab
culture was sounded. With Islam came the flood of destruction, murder,
plunder and crime that destroyed the great Vedic heritage of Arabs.
The false prophet merely took some existing artefacts and terms and
corrupted them so profoundly that no one would be able to discover
their actual origins.
In my next article, I will elaborate further on the Vedic Heritage of
Arabia.
Note: Works of P.N. Oak and Robert A. Morey have been used to compose
this article.
SHRIMATI: ADITI CHATURVEDI
http://www.kotiaho.net/swordoftruth/vpopia1.html
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| User: "Jim07D7" |
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12 Apr 2007 11:27:00 AM |
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"CYBERHINWA" <cyberhinwa@gmail.com> said:
Many centuries before false prophet Paedophile Muhammad and the
destructive advent of Islam, Arabia or Arabistan was an extremely rich
and glorious center of Vedic civilization.
Could you show and reference the specific Vedic writings that define
paedophilia? I am wondering on what basis you describe that fellow as
a paedophile.
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| User: "raven1" |
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12 Apr 2007 02:25:30 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:27:00 GMT, Jim07D7 <Jim07D7@nospam.net> wrote:
"CYBERHINWA" <cyberhinwa@gmail.com> said:
Many centuries before false prophet Paedophile Muhammad and the
destructive advent of Islam, Arabia or Arabistan was an extremely rich
and glorious center of Vedic civilization.
Could you show and reference the specific Vedic writings that define
paedophilia? I am wondering on what basis you describe that fellow as
a paedophile.
That one of his wives was nine years old might have something to do
with it.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Jim07D7" |
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12 Apr 2007 02:34:33 PM |
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> said:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:27:00 GMT, Jim07D7 <Jim07D7@nospam.net> wrote:
"CYBERHINWA" <cyberhinwa@gmail.com> said:
Many centuries before false prophet Paedophile Muhammad and the
destructive advent of Islam, Arabia or Arabistan was an extremely rich
and glorious center of Vedic civilization.
Could you show and reference the specific Vedic writings that define
paedophilia? I am wondering on what basis you describe that fellow as
a paedophile.
That one of his wives was nine years old might have something to do
with it.
I understand that. My point was to find out if "CYBERHINWA" had a
Vedic basis for his opinion. He seems to hold the Vedic sources in
such esteem and later Islamic sources in such contempt, and yet his
reply (elsewhere) to my query suggests that the moral sanction against
pedophilia is not to be found in the Vedic sources. So, how does he
know it is wrong? The Vedic sources don't claim it to be so.
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| User: "CYBERHINWA" |
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12 Apr 2007 02:18:01 PM |
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Vedic writing has nothing that i know of paedophilia.........But
Mohammed [ curse the son of a pig ] was a paedophile and if you would
like to know more i shall be pleased to send you material which
clearly says so ..... yess it is written in the unholly quran and its
hadiths ...........................
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| User: "Jim07D7" |
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12 Apr 2007 02:36:19 PM |
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"CYBERHINWA" <cyberhinwa@gmail.com> said:
Vedic writing has nothing that i know of paedophilia.........But
Mohammed [ curse the son of a pig ] was a paedophile and if you would
like to know more i shall be pleased to send you material which
clearly says so ..... yess it is written in the unholly quran and its
hadiths ...........................
I do not question either way, his matrimonial habits. So the Vedic
sources are silent on this? Where do followers of the Vedic sources
get their moral judgement on marriage to pre-teens?
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| User: "bramble" |
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12 Apr 2007 05:07:15 PM |
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On 12 abr, 20:36, Jim07D7 <Jim0...@nospam.net> wrote:
"CYBERHINWA" <cyberhi...@gmail.com> said:
Vedic writing has nothing that i know of paedophilia.........But
Mohammed [ curse the son of a pig ] was a paedophile and if you would
like to know more i shall be pleased to send you material which
clearly says so ..... yess it is written in the unholly quran and its
hadiths ...........................
I do not question either way, his matrimonial habits. So the Vedic
sources are silent on this? Where do followers of the Vedic sources
get their moral judgement on marriage to pre-teens?
they got it from the British Victorian morals, not from the Vedas.
Bramble
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| User: "Jim07D7" |
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12 Apr 2007 06:10:48 PM |
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"bramble" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> said:
On 12 abr, 20:36, Jim07D7 <Jim0...@nospam.net> wrote:
"CYBERHINWA" <cyberhi...@gmail.com> said:
Vedic writing has nothing that i know of paedophilia.........But
Mohammed [ curse the son of a pig ] was a paedophile and if you would
like to know more i shall be pleased to send you material which
clearly says so ..... yess it is written in the unholly quran and its
hadiths ...........................
I do not question either way, his matrimonial habits. So the Vedic
sources are silent on this? Where do followers of the Vedic sources
get their moral judgement on marriage to pre-teens?
they got it from the British Victorian morals, not from the Vedas.
Bramble
I would expect so. But if the Vedic writings were such a font of
wisdom, why did they need to borrow from Victoria's Church of England
to fill in its gaps? That's a question for cyberhinwa, not for you.
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| User: "CYBERHINWA" |
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16 Apr 2007 03:44:11 AM |
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they got it from the British Victorian morals, not from the Vedas.
Bramble
I would expect so. But if the Vedic writings were such a font of
wisdom, why did they need to borrow from Victoria's Church of England
to fill in its gaps? That's a question for cyberhinwa, not for you.-
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Hi ,
It is my country's misfortune that the old system of education was
erased and in turn new system of education including laws and other
parapheranalia was introduced basically to serve the english
bastards .
Vedas have never thought that anyone would like to
experience this type of depravity so there is no mention on
the same .
So do i answer your question now ??
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| User: "Jim07D7" |
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16 Apr 2007 10:34:38 AM |
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"CYBERHINWA" <cyberhinwa@gmail.com> said:
they got it from the British Victorian morals, not from the Vedas.
Bramble
I would expect so. But if the Vedic writings were such a font of
wisdom, why did they need to borrow from Victoria's Church of England
to fill in its gaps? That's a question for cyberhinwa, not for you.-
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Hi ,
It is my country's misfortune that the old system of education was
erased and in turn new system of education including laws and other
parapheranalia was introduced basically to serve the english
bastards .
Vedas have never thought that anyone would like to
experience this type of depravity so there is no mention on
the same .
So do i answer your question now ??
I have a lot of respect for the Vedic writings -- compared with other
scriptures, they are quite enlightened. Of course I am a mere dabbler
in such things and am not in a position to judge them to any great
extent. But it seems to me that many of the Vedic writings, especially
those on cosmology, anticipate modern physics, and the mental
attitudes engendered by their reading, can make one quite ready to
entertain these modern theories. They also seem to avoid the
anthropomorphism that is so prevalent in western religions.
I do believe that the authors of the Vedic writings did not feel a
need to concern themselves with writing moral judgements on this
practice or that practice. Their writings operate at a different
level. But it does leave me wondering which practices were considered
moral and immoral, in those days, and how you know that marriage to
9-year olds was considered "depravity" by those people. It is clear
that you feel that way, but I do not understand why you assign the
same feelings to the writers of the Vedas. Based on the little that I
have read, I would say that they were silent on the subject.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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12 Apr 2007 02:18:59 PM |
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On 12 Apr 2007 12:18:01 -0700, "CYBERHINWA" <cyberhinwa@gmail.com>
wrote:
Vedic writing has nothing that i know of paedophilia.........But
Mohammed [ curse the son of a pig ] was a paedophile and if you would
like to know more i shall be pleased to send you material which
clearly says so ..... yess it is written in the unholly quran and its
hadiths ...........................
We don't give a flying *****, moron.
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