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"newzguys" |
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14 Nov 2005 03:41:41 AM |
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* History Shows NO SIN of Homosexuality |
History Shows No Sin of Homosexuality
Up until the 1970's the laws against sodomy were only laws against
nonprocreative sex, not homosexual sex. The very word and concept of
homosexuality did not exist commonly until 1892. Before this time
any attempt to say a law or a sin in the bible is directed
toward homosexuals is impossible. "The modern terms homosexuality
and heterosexuality do not apply to an era that had not yet
articulated these distinctions." Lawrence and Garner v. Texas US, 03
"Prohibitions against sodomy were rooted in the teachings of Western
Christianity, but those teachings have always been strikingly
inconsistent in their definition of the acts encompassed by the term.
When the term "sodomy" was first emphasized by medieval Christian
theologians in the eleventh century, they applied it inconsistently
to a diverse group of nonprocreative sexual practices." Not
homosexuals.
"The English Reformation Parliament of 1533 turned the religious
injunction against sodomy into the secular crime of buggery when it
made 'the detestable and abominable vice of buggery committed with
mankind or beast' punishable by death. The English courts interpreted
this to apply to sexual intercourse between a human and animal and
anal intercourse between a man and woman as well as anal intercourse
between two men." Again not homosexuals, but nonprocreative sex.
"Such discriminatory measures against homosexuals, although popularly
imagined to be longstanding, are in fact not ancient but a unique
and relatively short-lived product of mostly the 1970's."
It was only at the end of the nineteenth century that the very concept
of the homosexual as a distinct category of person developed. The word
"homosexual" was coined for the first time in a letter from Karl Maria
Kertbeny to Karl Heinrich Ulrichs dated 6 May 1868 and in two German
pamphlets published in 1869 in Leipzig, arguing for reform of Paragraph
143 of the Prussian Penal Code penalizing sexual relations between men.
The term after 1868 was not used by anyone else until 1880, and was
not in common use until 1892. Therefore to assign a sin of
homosexuality
to the sexual religious fertility rituals of having sex to worship
a fertility god, is an impossibility. In Lev 18:22 which is seen as a
sin of homosexuality is in fact connected to the verse before it, to
not
give seed to Molech. It is impossible to be a sin of homosexuality,
they
had no such concept of homosexuality at the time the bible was written.
"Kertbeny invented the term 'homosexuality' as part of an argument that
it was natural, and a matter of private behaviour which should be
beyond
the interference of the law. He intended it to be used as a neutral,
non-prejudicial term within legal arguments, which centred on the
concept
of equal rights and protection of minorities. 'Homosexuality' was thus
originated not as a medical term, but rather as a neutral, legal,
scientific term. "
For in depth reading see:
legal history
http://hnn.us/articles/1539.html
medical history
http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/social14.htm
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| User: "roneal" |
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| Title: Re: * History Shows NO SIN of Homosexuality |
14 Nov 2005 08:22:04 AM |
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"newzguys" <newzguys@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131939701.273162.326710@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
History Shows No Sin of Homosexuality
Up until the 1970's the laws against sodomy were only laws against
nonprocreative sex, not homosexual sex. The very word and concept of
homosexuality did not exist commonly until 1892. Before this time
any attempt to say a law or a sin in the bible is directed
toward homosexuals is impossible. "The modern terms homosexuality
and heterosexuality do not apply to an era that had not yet
articulated these distinctions." Lawrence and Garner v. Texas US, 03
"Prohibitions against sodomy were rooted in the teachings of Western
Christianity, but those teachings have always been strikingly
inconsistent in their definition of the acts encompassed by the term.
When the term "sodomy" was first emphasized by medieval Christian
theologians in the eleventh century, they applied it inconsistently
to a diverse group of nonprocreative sexual practices." Not
homosexuals.
I have been told by a theologian that religious prohibition of sodomy was
partly rooted in the belief that males carried the seed. The female role in
reproduction being poorly understood, women were more or less the flower pot
that grew the seed.
Therefore any sex act which did not deposit the seed in the pot was
tantamount to murder. Masturbation. Onan's sin (coitus interruptus).
Sodomy.
RO
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| User: "Jude_ Alexander" |
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| Title: Re: * History Shows NO SIN of Homosexuality |
14 Nov 2005 05:37:37 PM |
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"roneal" <roneal@wt.net> wrote in message
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"newzguys" <newzguys@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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History Shows No Sin of Homosexuality
Up until the 1970's the laws against sodomy were only laws against
nonprocreative sex, not homosexual sex. The very word and concept of
homosexuality did not exist commonly until 1892. Before this time
any attempt to say a law or a sin in the bible is directed
toward homosexuals is impossible. "The modern terms homosexuality
and heterosexuality do not apply to an era that had not yet
articulated these distinctions." Lawrence and Garner v. Texas US, 03
"Prohibitions against sodomy were rooted in the teachings of Western
Christianity, but those teachings have always been strikingly
inconsistent in their definition of the acts encompassed by the term.
When the term "sodomy" was first emphasized by medieval Christian
theologians in the eleventh century, they applied it inconsistently
to a diverse group of nonprocreative sexual practices." Not
homosexuals.
I have been told by a theologian that religious prohibition of sodomy was
partly rooted in the belief that males carried the seed. The female role
in
reproduction being poorly understood, women were more or less the flower
pot
that grew the seed.
Therefore any sex act which did not deposit the seed in the pot was
tantamount to murder. Masturbation. Onan's sin (coitus interruptus).
Sodomy.
Very well said.
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| User: "newzguys" |
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| Title: Re: * History Shows NO SIN of Homosexuality |
15 Nov 2005 04:29:36 AM |
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No it was not tantamount to murder, it is like Lev 18:19, Deu 23:1 & 10
etc.
It did not build the nation. Onan's sin was not doing what God told
him
to do, not masturbation. In Lev 18 the sin was that of giving seed to
Molech
in Lev 18:21-24, Lev 2-5,13. Which was idolatry, not a sin of
homosexuality.
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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| Title: Re: * History Shows NO SIN of Homosexuality |
15 Nov 2005 12:29:48 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:22:04 -0600, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "roneal"
<roneal@wt.net>
Onan's sin (coitus interruptus).
No, Onan's "sin" was premature ejaculation outside the cervix.
When, oh when, will you ignorant christstains ever read your own
Grimoire of Death and Incest? I would really appreciate some LITERACY
from you brainwashed whackjobs anytime EVER, TIA.
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| User: "Jude_ Alexander" |
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| Title: Re: * History Shows NO SIN of Homosexuality |
14 Nov 2005 05:36:49 PM |
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"newzguys" <newzguys@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131939701.273162.326710@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
History Shows No Sin of Homosexuality
Up until the 1970's the laws against sodomy were only laws against
nonprocreative sex, not homosexual sex. The very word and concept of
homosexuality did not exist commonly until 1892. Before this time
any attempt to say a law or a sin in the bible is directed
toward homosexuals is impossible. "The modern terms homosexuality
and heterosexuality do not apply to an era that had not yet
articulated these distinctions." Lawrence and Garner v. Texas US, 03
This is absolutely correct. Sex between like gendered partners were seen in
the context of frivous pleasure seeking and paganistic.
As time went on and men began to study what we call today "homosexuals" they
began to see things differently.
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| User: "newzguys" |
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| Title: Re: * History Shows NO SIN of Homosexuality |
15 Nov 2005 04:43:08 AM |
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One has to include the fertility gods that are the subject of the sin,
as
Baal-Molech and Venus, not that sodomy itself is paganistic. Which
many misguided christians think. That having a Buddha on the dash
board will turn you into a wanton homosexual. (Just clarifying.)
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| User: "&&&&T----N****T%%%%" |
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| Title: When Was The Term "Left-Wing Buttboy" Created??? |
14 Nov 2005 04:04:22 AM |
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: When Was The Term "Left-Wing Buttboy" Created??? |
14 Nov 2005 08:01:45 PM |
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"&&&&T----N****T%%%%" <DoD@rr.com> wrote in message
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comfy in that closet?
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| User: "Bugman" |
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| Title: Re: When Was The Term "Left-Wing Buttboy" Created??? |
14 Nov 2005 04:30:51 AM |
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"&&&&T----N****T%%%%" <DoD@rr.com> wrote in message
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You're the only one who uses it, so you should know.
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| User: "Boy Toy" |
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| Title: Re: When Was The Term "Left-Wing Buttboy" Created??? |
14 Nov 2005 04:46:25 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:04:22 GMT, "&&&&T----N****T%%%%" <DoD@rr.com>
wrote in message <a1Udf.84706$tG2.8521@fe02.news.easynews.com>
About a year ago, on your 12th birthday.
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| User: "Northern Storm" |
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| Title: Re: When Was The Term "Left-Wing Buttboy" Created??? |
14 Nov 2005 07:27:29 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:46:25 GMT, Boy Toy <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:04:22 GMT, "&&&&T----N****T%%%%" <DoD@rr.com>
wrote in message <a1Udf.84706$tG2.8521@fe02.news.easynews.com>
About a year ago, on your 12th birthday.
LOL
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: When Was The Term "Left-Wing Buttboy" Created??? |
14 Nov 2005 07:32:13 PM |
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It's always been quite popular in describing male homosexuals in the
United States.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: When Was The Term "Left-Wing Buttboy" Created??? |
14 Nov 2005 07:38:39 PM |
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In News 6iphn15e83bqukks3hsd1dv6fr63j8vtls@4ax.com,, at
, typed this:
It's always been quite popular in describing male homosexuals in the
United States.
Just like the term "Ignorant inbred bigot" has been a very popular term in
describing people like you.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: When Was The Term "Left-Wing Buttboy" Created??? |
15 Nov 2005 01:45:03 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:04:22 GMT, "&&&&T----N****T%%%%" <DoD@rr.com>
wrote:
Probably the first time Rove showed off his cheeks in ***** pants.
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| User: "¥-T££+¢+N+¢+T££-¥" |
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| Title: You Da Man, Kate!!! LOL |
15 Nov 2005 01:53:26 AM |
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| User: "Boy Toy" |
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| Title: Re: You Da Man, Kate!!! LOL |
15 Nov 2005 05:20:22 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:53:26 GMT, "¥-T££+¢+N+¢+T££-¥" <DoD@rr.com>
wrote in message <qcbef.85636$%05.75430@fe06.news.easynews.com>
What would you know about being a man?
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| User: "¥ T££¢IN¢T££ ¥" |
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| Title: Re: You Da Man, Kate!!! LOL |
15 Nov 2005 05:25:16 AM |
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And this is a queation asked by a name such as boy toy???? LOL
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