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User:	"Ą UltraMan Ą"
Date:	11 Nov 2007 03:03:10 AM
Object:	~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~

Dollar's church took in $69 million in 2006
By CHRISTOPHER QUINN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 11/11/07
Americans love their religion.
They worship money and business.
And they can't get enough TV.
Christian televangelists are in the sweet spot.
At the confluence of those three streams of American life, they rake in millions in
donations.
The Rev. Creflo Dollar's World Changers Church International in College Park alone
took in $69 million in 2006, according to a brief report his church showed The
Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
Dollar said he is releasing some information about his and his church's finances in
light of the probe of a powerful senator into Dollar's and other ministries'
finances.
"I generally don't make this public," Dollar said.
His income is separate from the church's, provided by businesses he owns and from
investments and real estate, he said.
A church staff member said Dollar no longer gets a salary.
"I have signed million-dollar deals for books," Dollar said.
The church did give him a Rolls-Royce, he added, which is used largely for special
occasions and for picking up special guests.
It is the expensive cars, private jets, million-dollar homes, jewelry and bevy of
businesses associated with six evangelists' media empires that got the attention of
Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance
Committee.
Grassley asked last week for financial records from Dollar and his wife, Taffi,
Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Lithonia, Randy and Paula
White of Florida, the Rev. Benny Hinn and Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of Texas and
David and Joyce Meyer of Missouri.
Long did not respond to the newspaper's requests for interviews.
Grassley says he believes televangelists receive billions in donations each year. But
he doesn't really know, because churches don't have to make their finances public
like most nonprofits and charities.
Thanks to the First Amendment, the government treads carefully when it comes to
walking in religion's orchard. The federal government does not tax ministries.
But Grassley said his probe has nothing to do with religion.
"I'm not interested in doctrine, just the tax laws," he said.
He has looked at the high-roller lifestyles of TV ministers and wonders whether
church leaders are using the breaks given to them to enrich themselves.
The ministries in question have bought "Rolls-Royces, Bentleys, corporate jets and
now $23,000 for a marble-topped commode," Grassley said.
One report to him said Joyce Meyer spent that much on the bathroom device. He said
last week, "The public's tolerance really gets tested by these examples of excess.
People wonder how society is being served when money doesn't seem to matter."
Dollar said he understands the senator's worries but is concerned at the same time
about the government sticking its nose into religion's business. Dollar said he is
having legal experts look over the senator's request.
Dollar is particularly concerned the government may be trying to divine what people
can or cannot believe. And Dollar believes in prosperity.
The six religious broadcast empires under the gun all preach and teach forms of a
gospel that justifies the accumulation of money and material goods as one sign of
God's blessing. It includes benefits like health, a good family life and benevolence
toward others.
It is an American-born faith that mixes Christianity with capitalism, individualism
and materialism, said Shayne Lee, a Tulane University sociologist who studies
megachurches and religion.
It became popular in the 1980s, with Reaganism, a rising stock market, growing middle
class and consumerism.
"It's a perfect culture for it. Americans want wealth. And the prosperity gospel
allows people who are seeking wealth to have a spiritual justification for it," Lee
said.
Mainline theologians discount the prosperity gospel as errant.
But Dollar argues his material wealth is a clear sign of God's blessing.
Check out the Bible, he said. The patriarchs were rich. He has said before that Jesus
was rich. After all, Jesus had a treasurer (one of his disciples, according to the
New Testament), and wore clothes worth enough that the soldiers who crucified him
gambled to see who got them.
"Without a doubt, my life is not average," Dollar said. "But I'd like to say, just
because it is excessive doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong."
"The issue is, what route did you use to get that excess?" he said.
His route was money that he earned, Dollar said.
"When I want a nice car, I use my own money to get the nice car and not the money of
the church," Dollar said.
"My lifestyle does not come out of the church's bank account."
.

User: "Rick M"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	11 Nov 2007 09:37:08 AM

On Nov 11, 4:03 am, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:

illions in

donations.

The Rev. Creflo Dollar's World Changers Church International in College P=

ark alone

took in $69 million in 2006, according to a brief report his church showe=

d The

Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Dollar said he is releasing some information about his and his church's f=

inances in

light of the probe of a powerful senator into Dollar's and other ministri=

es'

finances.

"I generally don't make this public," Dollar said.

His income is separate from the church's, provided by businesses he owns =

and from

investments and real estate, he said.

A church staff member said Dollar no longer gets a salary.

"I have signed million-dollar deals for books," Dollar said.

The church did give him a Rolls-Royce, he added, which is used largely fo=

r special

occasions and for picking up special guests.

It is the expensive cars, private jets, million-dollar homes, jewelry and=

bevy of

businesses associated with six evangelists' media empires that got the at=

tention of

Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the ranking Republican on the Senate Fina=

nce

Committee.

Grassley asked last week for financial records from Dollar and his wife, =

Taffi,

Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Lithonia, Ran=

dy and Paula

White of Florida, the Rev. Benny Hinn and Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of =

Texas and

David and Joyce Meyer of Missouri.

Long did not respond to the newspaper's requests for interviews.

Grassley says he believes televangelists receive billions in donations ea=

ch year. But

he doesn't really know, because churches don't have to make their finance=

s public

like most nonprofits and charities.

Thanks to the First Amendment, the government treads carefully when it co=

mes to

walking in religion's orchard. The federal government does not tax minist=

ries.

But Grassley said his probe has nothing to do with religion.

"I'm not interested in doctrine, just the tax laws," he said.

He has looked at the high-roller lifestyles of TV ministers and wonders w=

hether

church leaders are using the breaks given to them to enrich themselves.

The ministries in question have bought "Rolls-Royces, Bentleys, corporate=

jets and

now $23,000 for a marble-topped commode," Grassley said.

One report to him said Joyce Meyer spent that much on the bathroom device=

.. He said

last week, "The public's tolerance really gets tested by these examples o=

f excess.

People wonder how society is being served when money doesn't seem to matt=

er."

Dollar said he understands the senator's worries but is concerned at the =

same time

about the government sticking its nose into religion's business. Dollar s=

aid he is

having legal experts look over the senator's request.

Dollar is particularly concerned the government may be trying to divine w=

hat people

can or cannot believe. And Dollar believes in prosperity.

The six religious broadcast empires under the gun all preach and teach fo=

rms of a

gospel that justifies the accumulation of money and material goods as one=

sign of

God's blessing. It includes benefits like health, a good family life and =

benevolence

toward others.

It is an American-born faith that mixes Christianity with capitalism, ind=

ividualism

and materialism, said Shayne Lee, a Tulane University sociologist who stu=

dies

megachurches and religion.

It became popular in the 1980s, with Reaganism, a rising stock market, gr=

owing middle

class and consumerism.

"It's a perfect culture for it. Americans want wealth. And the prosperity=

gospel

allows people who are seeking wealth to have a spiritual justification fo=

r it," Lee

said.

Mainline theologians discount the prosperity gospel as errant.

But Dollar argues his material wealth is a clear sign of God's blessing.

Check out the Bible, he said. The patriarchs were rich. He has said befor=

e that Jesus

was rich. After all, Jesus had a treasurer (one of his disciples, accordi=

ng to the

New Testament), and wore clothes worth enough that the soldiers who cruci=

fied him

gambled to see who got them.

"Without a doubt, my life is not average," Dollar said. "But I'd like to =

say, just

because it is excessive doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong."

"The issue is, what route did you use to get that excess?" he said.

His route was money that he earned, Dollar said.

"When I want a nice car, I use my own money to get the nice car and not t=

he money of

the church," Dollar said.

"My lifestyle does not come out of the church's bank account."

These are the worst scum of society, preying on the terminally ill and
the terminally poor for their own gain. Most (if not all) claim to
have the ability to heal any affliction (except those those that are
visible like lost limbs) and they campaign for money to do it. "Send
me money along with your request and I will pray for you" is a common
sales pitch. Those with terminal illness or some other hopeless
situation, write their request, enclose their check, and mail it to
the fraudulent *****. I saw an investigative news show discover
that the mailing address of one of these assholes was the back of a
bank. There were about 20 people there who's job it was to process
the donations. They opened the envelopes, extracted the money and
discarded the letters in the trash. The news team found a trash bin
filled with thousands of unread letters. Letters that the front man on
TV had promised he would personally read and then pray for. This is
no different than if they broke into an invalid's home, ransacked the
occupant's purse and then spit in their face on the way out.
Paying taxes would be a large blow to these con men, but there is more
that should be done. They are thieves who hide in plain sight, and
they should be brought up on criminal charges. They hide behind a
fairy tale and society turns their head. Absolutely disgusting.
.

User: "Kent Wills"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	11 Nov 2007 11:33:32 AM

As I understand it, on Sun, 11 Nov 2007 07:37:08 -0800, Rick M
<exposethelies@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]

Sounds like the Robert Tilton investigation.
[...]
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User: "Hatter"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	14 Nov 2007 11:25:35 AM

On Nov 11, 10:37 am, Rick M <exposethel...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 11, 4:03 am, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:

Dollar's church took in $69 million in 2006

By CHRISTOPHER QUINN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 11/11/07
Americans love their religion.

They worship money and business.

And they can't get enough TV.

Christian televangelists are in the sweet spot.

At the confluence of those three streams of American life, they rake in=

millions in

donations.

The Rev. Creflo Dollar's World Changers Church International in College=

Park alone

took in $69 million in 2006, according to a brief report his church sho=

wed The

Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Dollar said he is releasing some information about his and his church's=

finances in

light of the probe of a powerful senator into Dollar's and other minist=

ries'

finances.

"I generally don't make this public," Dollar said.

His income is separate from the church's, provided by businesses he own=

s and from

investments and real estate, he said.

A church staff member said Dollar no longer gets a salary.

"I have signed million-dollar deals for books," Dollar said.

The church did give him a Rolls-Royce, he added, which is used largely =

for special

occasions and for picking up special guests.

It is the expensive cars, private jets, million-dollar homes, jewelry a=

nd bevy of

businesses associated with six evangelists' media empires that got the =

attention of

Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the ranking Republican on the Senate Fi=

nance

Committee.

Grassley asked last week for financial records from Dollar and his wife=

, Taffi,

Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Lithonia, R=

andy and Paula

White of Florida, the Rev. Benny Hinn and Kenneth and Gloria Copeland o=

f Texas and

David and Joyce Meyer of Missouri.

Long did not respond to the newspaper's requests for interviews.

Grassley says he believes televangelists receive billions in donations =

each year. But

he doesn't really know, because churches don't have to make their finan=

ces public

like most nonprofits and charities.

Thanks to the First Amendment, the government treads carefully when it =

comes to

walking in religion's orchard. The federal government does not tax mini=

stries.

But Grassley said his probe has nothing to do with religion.

"I'm not interested in doctrine, just the tax laws," he said.

He has looked at the high-roller lifestyles of TV ministers and wonders=

whether

church leaders are using the breaks given to them to enrich themselves.

The ministries in question have bought "Rolls-Royces, Bentleys, corpora=

te jets and

now $23,000 for a marble-topped commode," Grassley said.

One report to him said Joyce Meyer spent that much on the bathroom devi=

ce. He said

last week, "The public's tolerance really gets tested by these examples=

of excess.

People wonder how society is being served when money doesn't seem to ma=

tter."

Dollar said he understands the senator's worries but is concerned at th=

e same time

about the government sticking its nose into religion's business. Dollar=

said he is

having legal experts look over the senator's request.

Dollar is particularly concerned the government may be trying to divine=

what people

can or cannot believe. And Dollar believes in prosperity.

The six religious broadcast empires under the gun all preach and teach =

forms of a

gospel that justifies the accumulation of money and material goods as o=

ne sign of

God's blessing. It includes benefits like health, a good family life an=

d benevolence

toward others.

It is an American-born faith that mixes Christianity with capitalism, i=

ndividualism

and materialism, said Shayne Lee, a Tulane University sociologist who s=

tudies

megachurches and religion.

It became popular in the 1980s, with Reaganism, a rising stock market, =

growing middle

class and consumerism.

"It's a perfect culture for it. Americans want wealth. And the prosperi=

ty gospel

allows people who are seeking wealth to have a spiritual justification =

for it," Lee

said.

Mainline theologians discount the prosperity gospel as errant.

But Dollar argues his material wealth is a clear sign of God's blessing.

Check out the Bible, he said. The patriarchs were rich. He has said bef=

ore that Jesus

was rich. After all, Jesus had a treasurer (one of his disciples, accor=

ding to the

New Testament), and wore clothes worth enough that the soldiers who cru=

cified him

gambled to see who got them.

"Without a doubt, my life is not average," Dollar said. "But I'd like t=

o say, just

because it is excessive doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong."

"The issue is, what route did you use to get that excess?" he said.

His route was money that he earned, Dollar said.

"When I want a nice car, I use my own money to get the nice car and not=

the money of

the church," Dollar said.

"My lifestyle does not come out of the church's bank account."

These are the worst scum of society, preying on the terminally ill and
the terminally poor for their own gain. Most (if not all) claim to
have the ability to heal any affliction (except those those that are
visible like lost limbs) and they campaign for money to do it. "Send
me money along with your request and I will pray for you" is a common
sales pitch. Those with terminal illness or some other hopeless
situation, write their request, enclose their check, and mail it to
the fraudulent *****. I saw an investigative news show discover
that the mailing address of one of these assholes was the back of a
bank. There were about 20 people there who's job it was to process
the donations. They opened the envelopes, extracted the money and
discarded the letters in the trash. The news team found a trash bin
filled with thousands of unread letters. Letters that the front man on
TV had promised he would personally read and then pray for. This is
no different than if they broke into an invalid's home, ransacked the
occupant's purse and then spit in their face on the way out.

Paying taxes would be a large blow to these con men, but there is more
that should be done. They are thieves who hide in plain sight, and
they should be brought up on criminal charges. They hide behind a
fairy tale and society turns their head. Absolutely disgusting.- Hide qu=

oted text -

- Show quoted text -

Actually they "do" pay taxes. Even a Reverend's Salary is subject to
tax. The Church doesn't and there is a special discount if the church
owns the "living quarters" of the Reverend(he doen't have to include
the full rental value as income) plus of course, those living quarters
do not have to pay property tax. There are many other benefits that as
long as the church foots the bill, and not the reverend, that are not
subject to tax. They Reverend does pay taxes, but probably a quarter
what you or I would pay at the same level as a CEO, which is still at
lot smaller percentage of gross income(unadjusted and undeducted) than
a middle class employee pays.
Hatter
.

User: "Bill M"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	11 Nov 2007 05:22:18 AM

This is no different than the Patent Medicine salesmen of old.
They claimed cures for everything to con customers into purchasing worthless
bottles of liquid.
There is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that any of the many claimed gods
actually exist
or that they can deliver any tangible benefits.
Some day in the future mankind will finally wake up to the fact that they
are being deceived by con men
posing as religious leaders.
No religion should receive tax benefits unless they can supply objective
verifiable evidence their god actually exist.
"Rick M" <exposethelies@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194795428.727100.26220@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 11, 4:03 am, "Ą UltraMan Ą" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:

Dollar's church took in $69 million in 2006

By CHRISTOPHER QUINN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 11/11/07
Americans love their religion.

They worship money and business.

And they can't get enough TV.

Christian televangelists are in the sweet spot.

At the confluence of those three streams of American life, they rake in
millions in
donations.

The Rev. Creflo Dollar's World Changers Church International in College
Park alone
took in $69 million in 2006, according to a brief report his church showed
The
Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Dollar said he is releasing some information about his and his church's
finances in
light of the probe of a powerful senator into Dollar's and other
ministries'
finances.

"I generally don't make this public," Dollar said.

His income is separate from the church's, provided by businesses he owns
and from
investments and real estate, he said.

A church staff member said Dollar no longer gets a salary.

"I have signed million-dollar deals for books," Dollar said.

The church did give him a Rolls-Royce, he added, which is used largely for
special
occasions and for picking up special guests.

It is the expensive cars, private jets, million-dollar homes, jewelry and
bevy of
businesses associated with six evangelists' media empires that got the
attention of
Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the ranking Republican on the Senate
Finance
Committee.

Grassley asked last week for financial records from Dollar and his wife,
Taffi,
Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Lithonia,
Randy and Paula
White of Florida, the Rev. Benny Hinn and Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of
Texas and
David and Joyce Meyer of Missouri.

Long did not respond to the newspaper's requests for interviews.

Grassley says he believes televangelists receive billions in donations
each year. But
he doesn't really know, because churches don't have to make their finances
public
like most nonprofits and charities.

Thanks to the First Amendment, the government treads carefully when it
comes to
walking in religion's orchard. The federal government does not tax
ministries.

But Grassley said his probe has nothing to do with religion.

"I'm not interested in doctrine, just the tax laws," he said.

He has looked at the high-roller lifestyles of TV ministers and wonders
whether
church leaders are using the breaks given to them to enrich themselves.

The ministries in question have bought "Rolls-Royces, Bentleys, corporate
jets and
now $23,000 for a marble-topped commode," Grassley said.

One report to him said Joyce Meyer spent that much on the bathroom device.
He said
last week, "The public's tolerance really gets tested by these examples of
excess.
People wonder how society is being served when money doesn't seem to
matter."

Dollar said he understands the senator's worries but is concerned at the
same time
about the government sticking its nose into religion's business. Dollar
said he is
having legal experts look over the senator's request.

Dollar is particularly concerned the government may be trying to divine
what people
can or cannot believe. And Dollar believes in prosperity.

The six religious broadcast empires under the gun all preach and teach
forms of a
gospel that justifies the accumulation of money and material goods as one
sign of
God's blessing. It includes benefits like health, a good family life and
benevolence
toward others.

It is an American-born faith that mixes Christianity with capitalism,
individualism
and materialism, said Shayne Lee, a Tulane University sociologist who
studies
megachurches and religion.

It became popular in the 1980s, with Reaganism, a rising stock market,
growing middle
class and consumerism.

"It's a perfect culture for it. Americans want wealth. And the prosperity
gospel
allows people who are seeking wealth to have a spiritual justification for
it," Lee
said.

Mainline theologians discount the prosperity gospel as errant.

But Dollar argues his material wealth is a clear sign of God's blessing.

Check out the Bible, he said. The patriarchs were rich. He has said before
that Jesus
was rich. After all, Jesus had a treasurer (one of his disciples,
according to the
New Testament), and wore clothes worth enough that the soldiers who
crucified him
gambled to see who got them.

"Without a doubt, my life is not average," Dollar said. "But I'd like to
say, just
because it is excessive doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong."

"The issue is, what route did you use to get that excess?" he said.

His route was money that he earned, Dollar said.

"When I want a nice car, I use my own money to get the nice car and not
the money of
the church," Dollar said.

"My lifestyle does not come out of the church's bank account."

User: "_ Prof. Jonez _"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	13 Nov 2007 10:37:40 PM

forevernitefan wrote:

On Nov 13, 11:23 am, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:

"forevernitefan" <fvrn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

On Nov 11, 7:20 pm, "Ą UltraMan Ą" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:

Kent Wills wrote:

on Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:03:10 -0700, "Ą UltraMan Ą"

Dollar's church took in $69 million in 2006

By CHRISTOPHER QUINN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 11/11/07
Americans love their religion.

They worship money and business.

Sounds like Bob Lar$on's business model.

Which you were pig-ignorant and foolish enough to swallow, hook,
line and sinker.

HE admits to that Eric.

Good, glad we finally have his confession that he
is a pig-ignorant fool.

Don't put words in my mouth, jerk. Kent is hardly ignorant but he is
blind about the dark side of his religion.

The Prof. said: "Which you <Kent> were pig-ignorant and foolish enough to
swallow, hook,
line and sinker."
ForeverIgnorant replied directly: "HE admits to that Eric"

Noted and archived.

BTW- who's "Eric" ?

YOU, idiot. You stupidly told Larry where your business card was in
Colorado while you forgot Sammie lives in Colorado.

What nonsense are you spewing now, woman?

Kent rightly found out your location

Really? Do tell.

after your white supremacist posts attacking him and
his wife.

Pay attention you ignorant *****, I'm only going to tell
you this one more time - I did not make those posts.
If I had, or wanted to make such posts, I'd have no
problem making them directly from my usual account.

BTW the phrase "pig ignorant" was used against Larry because
he is Jewish- by the white supremacist racist.

Wow. Guess I have the patent on the phrase then, eh moron?

You're fooling no one, dimwit.

Sez the pig-ignorant *****.

He also said when he finally DID check out
Ken Smith's claims about Lar$on, he found they were true and he no
longer supported BL financially. Try the truth Eric.

The truth that Kent Wills is a pig-ignorant fool?

No. dumbass. The truth was that Kent realized he was used by Larson
and STOPPED supporting the charlatan. The simple honest truth, not
your spewing hatred.

Guess Kent was too stump-stupid to have not supported such
an obvious baable-thumpin' *****-hat in the first place, eh?

I don't like the
televangelists at all because IMO every damn one of them are greedy
and self-serving and they prey upon the devout to send them money
and property. Kent claims that Jesus Christ was well off. A
carpenter? Uh huh, sure. The finances probably came form his WIFE,
Mary Magdeline.

Whores make more $$ than carpenters.

Actually if you believe the DaVinci Code or Holy Blood, Holy Grail,
Mary Magdeline wasn't a ***** but a businesswoman/landowner.

Even worse.

Very few women at that time, particularly in misogynistic Israel, had the
resources to support themselves without marrying well. Read the OT. It
is very misogynistic.

God hates women.

There is a verse in the OT that says if a woman
is RAPED and she doesn't cry out,she is to MARRY her rapist. And there
are more verses like that.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged,
he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young
woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has
relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and
there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help
though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house.
I will take your wives (plural) while you live to see it, and will give them to
your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have
done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all
Israel,
and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord."
Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin:
you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed,
the child born to you must surely die." (The child dies seven days later.)
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NLT
Suppose you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God
hands them over to you and you take captives. And suppose you see
among the captives a beautiful woman, and you are attracted to her and
want to marry her. If this happens, you may take her to your home,
where she must shave her head, cut her fingernails, and change all
her clothes. Then she must remain in your home for a full month,
mourning for her father and mother. After that you may marry her.
But if you marry her and then decide you do not like her, you must
let her go free. You may not sell her or treat her as a slave,
for you have humiliated her.

Kent also fails to mention what Jesus taught about the rich and
posessions.

Yep, prevarication my omission. Typical for lying theist scum.

YOUR omission? While I agree that "Profesional" Christians DO lie
about things ( my religion being one of them), Kent Wills as far as
I've known him through the years on usenet doesn't strike me as a
liar.

Then you're an imbecile ... or a liar too.

Eric, however, IS a liar.

Who's "Eric" ?

AND IMO your racist rants and advocating
killing Kent and his wife makes YOU scum.

You're lying again.

Kent, like YOU and pretty
much everyone else, picks and chooses what to follow. I was just
reminding him that his wealth-prosperity-as god's blessing has a nasty
corrolary.

Or coronary.

And they can't get enough TV.

Lar$on is more a radio guy, though he's trying to get a TV
show in England.

BL hasn't actually BEEN on radio in YEARS, ever since Talk Back went
bye bye. Except for his two appearances on Coast To Coast that is.
Also Larson has the face suitable for radio.

"god's" will.

Considering how Larson fell badly and how Talk Back went bye bye,
somehow if I was G-d I'd be more thorough in kicking Larson's butt.
His fall within the Christian community was devastating. However there
will always be idiots supporting the creeps,

Like Kent "the imbecile" Wills.

witness Mike Warnke after
the truth about him came to light.

Christian televangelists are in the sweet spot.

At the confluence of those three streams of American life, they
rake in millions in donations.

This, in and of itself is acceptable. People donate to
whatever and whomever they wish. If they wish to give money to a
televangelist, so be it.

The freedom of choice to donate is one thing, Kent. MANIPULATING the
people to give their life savings and valuable property is quite
another matter. These assholes don't self sacrifice or do
without.Kent.

Only pig-ignorant superstitious imbeciles like Kent get fleeced,
it's financial Natural Selection in action.

Desperate people get fleeced, Eric.

So Kent is desperate?
BTW, who's "Eric" ?

People with serious, life
threatening illnesses desperate for remedy fall for these things in
the hope they will be cured. So much for your compassion,

You're looking to *me* for compassion for xtians ?
ROTFLMAO!!

Eric.

Who's "Eric" ?

And as
far as "natural selection" is concerned, I highly doubt YOU would
survive in the wilderness in winter.

Which is why those of us who've devloped brains via natural selection
avoid being stuck in the "wilderness in winter". Go figure.

I would hope they would spend a bit of time checking out the
person getting the money. I didn't and ended up being conned by
Lar$on for a few years.

Because you're a superstitious imbecile.

Probably because when he heard BL he thought Larson was doing "god's
work".

Only a pig-ignorant imbecile would believe such nonsense.

NAIVE people believe such thigs,

Naive, pig-ignorant people.

Eric.

Who's "Eric" ?

It happens in politics as
well. Aso racists believe in all sorts of nonsense. Everyone gets
fooled, Even you Eric.

I'm not "Eric", nor a racist.

BL was a great bullshitter about how much of a "spiritual
warrior" he is and how he's constantly in the red financially. Once
again Eric you forgot to mention that Kent DROPPED BL after he found
out the truth about Larson.

The "truth" existed BEFORE the imbecile Kent Wills got suckered
into such nonsense, and simply reflects upon how profoundly ignorant
Kent is, especially given his continued embrace of his superstitious
absurdities.

What you once again failed to mention is that Kent was FACED with the
truth, he CHECKED IT OUT. That is saying a lot about his integrity.

Oh yeah, such "integrity".

As
for his " continued embrace of his superstitious absurdities", one can
say a similar comment about YOU,

Do tell.

Eric.

Who's "Eric" ?

You hardly are one to talk
about continued embracing of absurdities, considering your IGNORANCE
about Kent's alleged criminal past.

You mean Kent Will's criminal record as published on the Iowa Department
of Corrections www site database?

You, dear Eric, FAILED to back up
your claims by going to the courthouse and getting the actual
documents.

Who's "Eric" ?
And you're lying again, I never made any such claim.

Pot,Kettle, Eric.

If you say so.

It's been my experience that the Xian
financial suckers don't want to face the truth about their
Christian " heroes". Kent at least had the integrity to check out
the claims,

Integrity would have entailed checking out Larson BEFORE he
blindly supported such a charlatan.

True,

Yep.

but bear in mind the era in question. At that time not much was
made public about Larson's darker dealings, as he has his employees
sign confidentiality agreements and Larson and his " ministry" wasn't
in the radar of most people. Then Larson started to act more uppity
and his tactics more blatant, and Cornerstone magazine ( a Christian
publication, BTW) and a few others, Ken Smith included, decided to dig
deeper into BLM.

They had to be pig-ignorant enough to swallow that xtain radio-evangelist
crap in the first place.

You conveniently forgot to mention three of those EXPOSING these
charlatans ARE reporters of a CHRISTIAN magazine.

News to me.

It was Christians who exposed Lauren Stratford's lies,

Who's "Lauren Stratford" ?

revealed Mike Warnke lied

Who's "Mike Warnke" ?

forn the get go and dragged some of BL's sins out of his closet. Yes, the
CSER did expose Peter Popoff and secular reports did get Larry Lea and
others, but let's be fair and stick to the truth, Eric.

Who are these people?

though no doubt his motivation was to stick it in Ken's face.

Ironic, ain't it?

He at least bothered to check out the claims,

After being pig-ignorant enough to get suckered by
a xtian radio-evangelist in the first place.
Stupid is as Stupid does.

Eric.

Who's "Eric" ?

I've met a number of devout Christians who refused to even go to a web site I
recommended for better information than the biased stuff they were
spoon fed. And their excuses are self-serving in remaining ignorant.

It's a required trait for all christians.

The Rev. Creflo Dollar's World Changers Church International in
College Park alone took in $69 million in 2006, according to a
brief report his church showed The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Dollar said he is releasing some information about his and his
church's finances in light of the probe of a powerful senator into
Dollar's and other ministries' finances.

"I generally don't make this public," Dollar said.

Why not? Being accountable is a good thing.

His income is separate from the church's, provided by businesses
he owns and from investments and real estate, he said.

So long as the investments and real estate deals are on the up
and up, no problem.

A church staff member said Dollar no longer gets a salary.

"I have signed million-dollar deals for books," Dollar said.

The church did give him a Rolls-Royce, he added, which is used
largely for special occasions and for picking up special guests.

Gee, a Honda Civic would get the special guest to the same
place.

It is the expensive cars, private jets, million-dollar homes,
jewelry and bevy of businesses associated with six evangelists'
media empires that got the attention of Sen. Charles Grassley
(R-Iowa), the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee.

Grassley asked last week for financial records from Dollar and his
wife, Taffi, Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist
Church in Lithonia, Randy and Paula White of Florida, the Rev.
Benny Hinn and Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of Texas and David and
Joyce Meyer of Missouri.

Long did not respond to the newspaper's requests for interviews.

Grassley says he believes televangelists receive billions in
donations each year. But he doesn't really know, because churches
don't have to make their finances public like most nonprofits and
charities.

Thanks to the First Amendment, the government treads carefully
when it comes to walking in religion's orchard. The federal
government does not tax ministries.

But Grassley said his probe has nothing to do with religion.

"I'm not interested in doctrine, just the tax laws," he said.

He has looked at the high-roller lifestyles of TV ministers and
wonders whether church leaders are using the breaks given to them
to enrich themselves.

Lar$on certainly did. Baker did as well.

The ministries in question have bought "Rolls-Royces, Bentleys,
corporate jets and now $23,000 for a marble-topped commode,"
Grassley said.

$23,000.00 would have gone far in helping the homeless.

One report to him said Joyce Meyer spent that much on the bathroom
device. He said last week, "The public's tolerance really gets
tested by these examples of excess. People wonder how society is
being served when money doesn't seem to matter."

It isn't being served.

Dollar said he understands the senator's worries but is concerned
at the same time about the government sticking its nose into
religion's business. Dollar said he is having legal experts look
over the senator's request.

Dollar is particularly concerned the government may be trying to
divine what people can or cannot believe. And Dollar believes in
prosperity.

One can be wealthy and serve God.

So you've found a way to get that camel through the needle's eye?

Good point Eric.

Who's "Eric" ?

You, dumbass.

Wrong again, you ignorant *****.

Stop pretending otheriwse or Sammie may come back and
make you his *****.

Shitbag sammy has been MIA since challenged by me and
others <no friends of mine> to verify and stand by his repeated
spewing of "Eric Ross" personal information.
You can check it in alt.smokers

Funny thing about wealthy "Christians". How many of
them GOT that wealth through immoral and unethical means?

By "immoral" you mean contrary to their own purported
religious scriptures and codes?

Their own " religious scriptures and codes" are hardly acceptable if
you look at ALL of them.

Big duh ...

The OT advocated slavery,

Yep.

subjugating women,

Wortheless wenches, chattel property.

killing of those with different religions than theirs,

Even a healthy dose of killing their OWN people.

and even human sacrifice to their god.

Why stop at rape, murder and mahem ?

My point was that the wealthy who call
themselves Christians GOT their wealth at the backs of the poor. Many
cheated their workers and avoided paying their fair share of taxes.
They also, contrary to what their own savior taught, ignored the cries
of the hurting and failed to support adequately the needy-- unless
they can make a good PR image with it.

100% would be a good approximation.

If Kent mentions the Walton Family of Wal-Mart, I'll blast his *****
with certain facts about those bastards and the company.

Surely Mitt Romney or the Religious Rightard endorsed Rudi Guiliani
have been unwavering bastions of morality in their ascendancy to
the peaks of Mt. Lucre, no?

Few of the " morality" faction can make the claim they have been
ethical and moral and honorable. Note how a number of those folks who
were against gays turned out to BE gay themselves.

Imagine that ... thou doth protest too much, methinks.

Don't forget also the verses that say, for example, if you have a
cloak and see one without a cloak, give him your cloak.

Before or after you deport him for lacking papers?

If you mean illegal immigrants, while they DID break our laws to get
here, its WHY they are here that is important.

Surely to "steal your job" ... says christian brother Tancredo

Most of them are desperate for a better life,

A live their wretched god foist upon them for their infidelity.

a life they cannot have in their native
Latin countries. I do NOT think they should vote in our elections,

Who does?

nor should they have our state and federal handouts and aids.

Oh, so you complain about giving others in need your cloaks,
just not state of federal cloaks, eh?
How righteously hypocritical of you, you unctuous *****.

However, may I add that they are people, not things.

Well thaaaaank you for pointing that out. Millions of people
will be enthralled with that newfound tidbit of knowledge.

I do not like them leeching off of us,

So much for cloaking the needy, eh you selfish *****?

falsifying papers to get jobs

Do they have a choice?

legal citizens need

***** the "legal citizens". If they're so pathetically under-performing
on the socio-economic ladder that some Johnny Wetback can
take their job and do it better -- at any price -- then they don't deserve
a job in the Capitalist U$A, no matter where the slackers were born.

or their requiring Spanish and demanding "rights".

Yeah, just like those pesky homosexuals ...

I aso do not like that they bring with them communicable diseases like
tuberculosis.

And why would they bring those with them? By choice?

But I understand why they take such risks to get here.

Yeah, you're soooo understanding and compassionate, Mother Teresa
is weaping in her grave ...
LOL!

Rich Chirstians seem unable to actually show great amounts of
selfless charity, and when they "give" its accompanied by blatant
self- publicity and self-congratulations.

So much for doing good deed in private, eh?

Few of them do. The Christians and others ( such as myself) that do
"good deeds in private" usually cannot afford much and we do so out of
compassion for others.

Like the "compassion" you exhibited above?
LOL! With "compassion" like that, who need enmity?

However, when money becomes
more important, then there's a problem.

The six religious broadcast empires under the gun all preach and
teach forms of a gospel that justifies the accumulation of money
and material goods as one sign of God's blessing. It includes
benefits like health, a good family life and benevolence toward
others.

All of which are gifts from God.

*****!

Agreed. Health is based upon many factors inclusing immunity and

genetic determinations. Family is something onecanot control. Many a
good child has been born in an abusive family, Kent. The main
problem with your assertion, Kent is that there is a corrolary--
that if you are NOT "blessed" "God" doesn't like you. Or worse that
its all your own fault for not following "god" enough.

Which of couse explains why 16,000 CHILDREN die EVERY DAY
from Starvation and Malnourishment. 11 CHILDREN every fucking
minute, so in the time it'll take that pig-ignorant shitbag Kent
Wills to respond to this posting, 100s of children will die a most
painful and wretched death at the hands if his perverted god
creature.

And may I add that your " concern" for these starving and dying
children seems not to have affected your bank account.

And you know that exactly how?

Hypocrite.

Lying *****.

Put your money where your mouth is, Eric.

Who's "Eric" ?

You PRETEND to care but its a ruse to attack Kent and his religion.

I don't care about Kent, and he and his superstitious nonsense are deserving
of ridicule and attack at every opportunity ... from Hell's heart I stab at thee
....
for Hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee ....

In fact you don't give a damn.

Do tell, m' dear ... do tell.

Tell me Jonesie, are you going to volunteer at the homeless shelter
this Thanksgiving?

Why king of superficial hypocritical ***** waits until Thanksgiving to
volunteer to help the needy ?

How about gathering toys for children for Christmas?

You really are one daft stump-stupid *****. Why the ***** would
I perpetuate crass CONSUMMERISM, MATERIALISM and
CHRISTIANITY and foist it upon CHILDREN, you stammering
jackass?
*****, you are one stupid *****!

You are so full of self-righteous crap that you don't see
you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. You MOUTH but
you don't DO.

Ibid x 2

You Kent see it with rose
colored glasses as you are fiancially well off. There are many good,
honest people who DON"T have these " gifts from god" Kent. No matter
how hard they TRY to make their lives better and help their families
they seem to never get out of the metaphorical gutter, Kent.

Kent can ponder that when he's out on his prescious new boat, burning
fossil fuels, while 300 more children suffer and die from the horrors
of slow, excrutiating starvation.

It's"precious" Eric.

Who's "Eric" ?

I make typos but at least I know how to spell
( pardon the pun). As for his possessions, that is his to deal with.
You're just jealous he has such a boat while you have a leaky rusted
john boat.

Riiiight. If you say so.

"Course my Boston Whaler, though older, has more personality :-D

Kent, open your eyes. When a loving father has to go through the
damn TRASH of rejected and broken toys to get a toy for his child
for Christmas, where is the blessings of your god, Kent? More
importantly where the Hell were YOU, Kent?

On his way TO HELLFIRE, for all of ETERNITY.

And you claim you don't believe in his god, yet that statement is one
a fundie Christian would make, Eric.

Who's "Eric" ?

Pick a lane.

Who's driving?

Nice double standard you have there, Jonesie. Hate all theists yet you
BELIEVE so much in Kent's religion you think hell exists- a Christian
concept, BTW.

Why do you habitually lie?
Are your friends and family ignorant enough to believe you?

As for the fate of Kent's soul, it's not mine to judge. Nor yours,
for that matter.

*****.

I get dammned to hell by Christians frequently just
for being a Pagan.

As you should be.

IMO we are all answerable for what we do while we
live this life. That includes you, Jonesie.

And here I am, answering your posts ... go figure.
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User: "Kent Wills"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	13 Nov 2007 11:31:27 PM

As I understand it, on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:37:40 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez
_" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:

It happens in politics as
well. Aso racists believe in all sorts of nonsense. Everyone gets
fooled, Even you Eric.

I'm not "Eric", nor a racist.

Liar.
A small sample of Prof. Jonez's racist rants:
"He's a fucking race traitor. Kill him, his spic pet, and the
demon spawn they created."
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
"Kent Wills married a spic named Joquina Cruz. They have two
half-breed children. All of them should be put to death. First the
race traitor Kent, then the genetic misfits they produced, then the
pet spic.
"Kent has committed the greatest crime imaginable. He
betrayed his own race!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
"Death to Kent Wills and all race traitors!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever
--
Kent
Jonez/Ultra/vox/etc. offers more evidence of his bigotry
by referring to the Royal Family as "inbred limey wankers".
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User: "_ Prof. Jonez _"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	14 Nov 2007 11:08:54 AM

Kent Wills wrote:

As I understand it, on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:37:40 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez
_" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:

It happens in politics as
well. Aso racists believe in all sorts of nonsense. Everyone gets
fooled, Even you Eric.

I'm not "Eric", nor a racist.

Liar.

A small sample of Prof. Jonez's racist rants:

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.
You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.
.

User: "Kent Wills"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	14 Nov 2007 06:13:53 PM

Context restored at no additional cost.
As I understand it, on Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:08:54 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez
_" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:

Kent Wills wrote:

As I understand it, on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:37:40 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez
_" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:

It happens in politics as
well. Aso racists believe in all sorts of nonsense. Everyone gets
fooled, Even you Eric.

I'm not "Eric", nor a racist.

Liar.

A small sample of Prof. Jonez's racist rants:

"He's a fucking race traitor. Kill him, his spic pet, and the
demon spawn they created."
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever

"Kent Wills married a spic named Joquina Cruz. They have two
half-breed children. All of them should be put to death. First the
race traitor Kent, then the genetic misfits they produced, then the
pet spic.

"Kent has committed the greatest crime imaginable. He
betrayed his own race!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever

"Death to Kent Wills and all race traitors!"
-- jonez/vox/ultra/whatever

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.

You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.

Truth is truth no matter how often you LIE and claim it is
not.
--
Kent
Jonez/ultra/vox/etc. follows my every order without question.
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User: "_ Prof. Jonez _"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	14 Nov 2007 09:26:46 PM

"Kent Wills" <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote in message
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As I understand it, on Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:08:54 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez
_" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:

Kent Wills wrote:

As I understand it, on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:37:40 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez
_" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:

It happens in politics as
well. Aso racists believe in all sorts of nonsense. Everyone gets
fooled, Even you Eric.

I'm not "Eric", nor a racist.

Liar.

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.

You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.

Truth is truth no matter how often you LIE and claim it is
not.

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.
You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.
.

User: "forevernitefan"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= starttaxing these charlatans ~~	17 Nov 2007 01:11:27 AM

On Nov 14, 9:26 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:

"Kent Wills" <compu...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:pm3nj3huca0opam5fjruru961rq07nt2t2@4ax.com...

Context restored at no additional cost.

As I understand it, on Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:08:54 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez
_" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:

Kent Wills wrote:

As I understand it, on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:37:40 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez
_" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:

It happens in politics as
well. Aso racists believe in all sorts of nonsense. Everyone gets
fooled, Even you Eric.

I'm not "Eric", nor a racist.

Liar.

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.

You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.

Truth is truth no matter how often you LIE and claim it is
not.

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.

You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wow, a repeated post. Guess Eric can't come up with anything new. Must
be watching Bill O"Reilly too much. Or jerking off to Ann Coulter.
Serously Eric, come up with new insults, wll you?
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
http://www.boblarsonfanclub.tk/
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User: "Kent Wills"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	17 Nov 2007 08:01:15 AM

As I understand it, on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:11:27 -0800 (PST),
forevernitefan <fvrnite@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]

Truth is truth no matter how often you LIE and claim it is
not.

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.

You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.- Hide quoted text -

Wow, a repeated post. Guess Eric can't come up with anything new. Must
be watching Bill O"Reilly too much. Or jerking off to Ann Coulter.

Unlikely. Jonezie offers the evidence of his homosexuality
himself. As such, he isn't likely to find Ann sexually stimulating.
Most heterosexuals don't as well.
Further, when I stated it's unlikely he's a pedophile, he
stated I was wrong. Further he stated the Iowa Supreme Court was
stating I was wrong. Ann is an adult, and unlikely to be of interest
to him.
Either he was convicted of some charge dealing with
pedophilia, and the Iowa Supreme Court got involved, or he wants
people to think it.
There are reasons to want to have others think a criminal
conviction exists. But why would someone want to claim they were
convicted of a charge related to pedophilia if they weren't? I can't
think of a single reason.

Serously Eric, come up with new insults, wll you?

He's doing the best he can with the limited abilities he has.
--
"Worthless wenches, chattel property."
Jonez/Vox/Ultra/Etc. expressing his view of women.
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User: "forevernitefan"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= starttaxing these charlatans ~~	18 Nov 2007 08:22:45 AM

On Nov 17, 8:01 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:

As I understand it, on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:11:27 -0800 (PST),

forevernitefan <fvrn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[...]

Truth is truth no matter how often you LIE and claim it is
not.

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.

You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.- Hide quoted text -

Wow, a repeated post. Guess Eric can't come up with anything new. Must
be watching Bill O"Reilly too much. Or jerking off to Ann Coulter.

Unlikely. Jonezie offers the evidence of his homosexuality
himself. As such, he isn't likely to find Ann sexually stimulating.
Most heterosexuals don't as well.

Some do, or why else could she get away with her big mouth for as
long as she has? Actually, there's this rumor going around online that
Ann Coulter looks too much like a guy to actually be a real girl.
Whatever the case may be, her recent crack against Jewish people shows
her own twisted form of Christianity and she's almost as pathetic as
Eric. I don't mind listening or reading the opinions of someone I
disagree with, it's the crappy little mean attacks that discredit
their own views that lowers the pundit field.

Further, when I stated it's unlikely he's a pedophile, he
stated I was wrong. Further he stated the Iowa Supreme Court was
stating I was wrong. Ann is an adult, and unlikely to be of interest
to him.
Either he was convicted of some charge dealing with
pedophilia, and the Iowa Supreme Court got involved, or he wants
people to think it.

Why woud he want people to think he's a child molester? That's just
asking to get severely beaten to a pulp. I don't think anyone thinks
highly of child molesters. Even the criminals in prison don't like
them.

There are reasons to want to have others think a criminal
conviction exists. But why would someone want to claim they were
convicted of a charge related to pedophilia if they weren't? I can't
think of a single reason.

Eric is not one to use reason very much. If he wanted to give thei
mage of a tough guy you don't mess with, a charge like the one you
mentioned would be way off the mark. In fact, it could lead to him
getting seriously injured or worse. IOW it's a dumb thing to do.

Serously Eric, come up with new insults, wll you?

He's doing the best he can with the limited abilities he has.

Yeah, you have a good point. Even a sixth grader can do better than he
does.
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
http://www.boblarsonfanclub.tk/

--
"Worthless wenches, chattel property."
Jonez/Vox/Ultra/Etc. expressing his view of women.
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User: "Kent Wills"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	18 Nov 2007 12:22:33 PM

As I understand it, on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:22:45 -0800 (PST),
forevernitefan <fvrnite@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 17, 8:01 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:

As I understand it, on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:11:27 -0800 (PST),

forevernitefan <fvrn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[...]

Truth is truth no matter how often you LIE and claim it is
not.

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.

You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.- Hide quoted text -

Wow, a repeated post. Guess Eric can't come up with anything new. Must
be watching Bill O"Reilly too much. Or jerking off to Ann Coulter.

Unlikely. Jonezie offers the evidence of his homosexuality
himself. As such, he isn't likely to find Ann sexually stimulating.
Most heterosexuals don't as well.

Some do, or why else could she get away with her big mouth for as
long as she has?

Controversy sells adds. Advertisers know people are paying
attention to her, so they sponsor the time.

Actually, there's this rumor going around online that
Ann Coulter looks too much like a guy to actually be a real girl.

Hmmmm... Post-op transsexual? It's possible. I don't expect
to have cause to be able to confirm or deny it.

Whatever the case may be, her recent crack against Jewish people shows
her own twisted form of Christianity and she's almost as pathetic as
Eric. I don't mind listening or reading the opinions of someone I
disagree with, it's the crappy little mean attacks that discredit
their own views that lowers the pundit field.

I'll never understand anti-Semitism. I've tried to figure out
the idea behind it, but I've never been able.

I can't think of a single valid reason. He's offered none.

He does prove that it's a bad idea when cousins marry :-)

Serously Eric, come up with new insults, wll you?

He's doing the best he can with the limited abilities he has.

Yeah, you have a good point. Even a sixth grader can do better than he
does.

And often do.
--
Kent
A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting.
Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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User: "forevernitefan"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= starttaxing these charlatans ~~	17 Nov 2007 01:07:50 AM

On Nov 14, 11:08 am, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:

Kent Wills wrote:

As I understand it, on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:37:40 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez
_" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:

It happens in politics as
well. Aso racists believe in all sorts of nonsense. Everyone gets
fooled, Even you Eric.

I'm not "Eric", nor a racist.

Liar.

A small sample of Prof. Jonez's racist rants:

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.

You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.

"Jerking yourself"? Ah, a sexual reference, male ***** and all that.
SO Eric, do you get off imagining Kent is "jerking off" about you?
BTW you claim you are not a racist but you used the same phrase " pig
ignorant" that was used on Larry, who is Jewish. And " ignorant *****"
came from that white supremacist poster, Eric. Even Tjab can figure
this one out.
You're kinda like Bizarro. Whatever you say means the opposite to the
rest of us. I'm SO "ignorant" I figured out the odd discrepancy in the
online charges agaisnt Kent you and Teddie repeatedly spewed out. And
I am so " dumb" I kept the white supremacist dicklick posting long
enough for him to be traced.
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
http://www.boblarsonfanclub.tk/
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User: "Kent Wills"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	17 Nov 2007 07:56:19 AM

As I understand it, on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:07:50 -0800 (PST),
forevernitefan <fvrnite@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]

A small sample of Prof. Jonez's racist rants:

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.

You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.

"Jerking yourself"? Ah, a sexual reference, male ***** and all that.

The guy is gay. He's hoping that someone will start gay
bashing him, which will give him justification for his actions.
Someday he'll realize it's NOT going to work.

SO Eric, do you get off imagining Kent is "jerking off" about you?

I'd hope he'd have better taste. I'm NOT a hunk.

BTW you claim you are not a racist but you used the same phrase " pig
ignorant" that was used on Larry, who is Jewish.

Jonezie uses other anti-Semitic terms as well.

And " ignorant *****"
came from that white supremacist poster, Eric. Even Tjab can figure
this one out.

He's been quite of late. I'm guessing, and hoping, he's busy
with school. And I don't fault him at all for spending more time with
study than with Usenet.

You're kinda like Bizarro. Whatever you say means the opposite to the
rest of us. I'm SO "ignorant" I figured out the odd discrepancy in the
online charges agaisnt Kent you and Teddie repeatedly spewed out. And
I am so " dumb" I kept the white supremacist dicklick posting long
enough for him to be traced.

So long as the headers were available, those who know how to
trace such were able.
The best bit of evidence, available to everyone, was when he
forgot to change his nym in a few posts. Oops :)
--
Kent
Vegetarian: Indian word for lousy hunter.
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User: "forevernitefan"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= starttaxing these charlatans ~~	18 Nov 2007 08:43:14 AM

On Nov 17, 7:56 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:

As I understand it, on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:07:50 -0800 (PST),

forevernitefan <fvrn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[...]

A small sample of Prof. Jonez's racist rants:

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.

You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.

"Jerking yourself"? Ah, a sexual reference, male ***** and all that.

The guy is gay. He's hoping that someone will start gay
bashing him, which will give him justification for his actions.
Someday he'll realize it's NOT going to work.

Yeah Tjab was trying to make the gay-bashing claim. Personally I
don't care if someone is straight or gay. Some things straights do
are worse than what gays supposedly do. And statistically speaking
most rape, child molestation and so forth are hetero. Unfortunately
gay people, including teens, have to hide that aspect of their lives.
Not unlike some Pagans, BTW. I may not understand the gay "world", or
whatever they call it, but at least I emphasize with some of their
problems.

SO Eric, do you get off imagining Kent is "jerking off" about you?

I'd hope he'd have better taste. I'm NOT a hunk.

Kent, some people get off on foot fetishes, for example, so maybe he
would see you as "attractive". I find it amusing that some gay guys
think Welling is, ahem, well endowed because of a screen shot on
Smallville.
Okay, Okay I admit it I checked it out. It was the way Welling was
running and they took only one screen shot that gave an impression his
"goodie" was on his right thigh. Disappointing..... :-D
Besides, how the hell can a guy with his goodie that way in his blue
jeans WALK, much less run, without it chafing or something? I mean,
if it's anything like female boobies it'd be awful after awhile. And
don't guys prefer to keep their goodies protected as much as possible?
(( Shrugs))

BTW you claim you are not a racist but you used the same phrase " pig
ignorant" that was used on Larry, who is Jewish.

Jonezie uses other anti-Semitic terms as well.

I only picked the more obvious one affirming the connection between
Jonez and the white supremacist poster.

And " ignorant *****"
came from that white supremacist poster, Eric. Even Tjab can figure
this one out.

He's been quite of late. I'm guessing, and hoping, he's busy
with school. And I don't fault him at all for spending more time with
study than with Usenet.

Actually I kinda pity Tjab. Let's hope the kid learns some critical
thinking skills.

Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
http://www.boblarsonfanclub.tk/
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User: "Kent Wills"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= start taxing these charlatans ~~	18 Nov 2007 12:35:48 PM

As I understand it, on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:43:14 -0800 (PST),
forevernitefan <fvrnite@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 17, 7:56 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:

As I understand it, on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:07:50 -0800 (PST),

forevernitefan <fvrn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[...]

A small sample of Prof. Jonez's racist rants:

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.

You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.

"Jerking yourself"? Ah, a sexual reference, male ***** and all that.

The guy is gay. He's hoping that someone will start gay
bashing him, which will give him justification for his actions.
Someday he'll realize it's NOT going to work.

This is why I stated that it was unlikely that Jonezie is a
pedophile. Statistic supported the claim.
By his own words, I was wrong.

Unfortunately
gay people, including teens, have to hide that aspect of their lives.
Not unlike some Pagans, BTW. I may not understand the gay "world", or
whatever they call it, but at least I emphasize with some of their
problems.

No one should have to hide who they are. This is real easy
for me to write on Usenet. Not so easy is getting the world to
understand.

SO Eric, do you get off imagining Kent is "jerking off" about you?

I'd hope he'd have better taste. I'm NOT a hunk.

Kent, some people get off on foot fetishes, for example, so maybe he
would see you as "attractive".

EEEWWW! :-)
Actually, Lin claims he has great taste, but what doe she
know? Have you seen the guy she married?
<insert rim shot SFX>

I find it amusing that some gay guys
think Welling is, ahem, well endowed because of a screen shot on
Smallville.

Clearly I'm watching the wrong parts of the screen. I've
never noticed Tom's stuff.
I have noticed Kristin Kreuk a time or two. And even though
she's a blond, Allison Mack has managed to make me think, "If I wasn't
married, and she were blind, we'd make a perfect couple." A couple of
what I'll not say. :-)

Okay, Okay I admit it I checked it out. It was the way Welling was
running and they took only one screen shot that gave an impression his
"goodie" was on his right thigh. Disappointing..... :-D

Besides, how the hell can a guy with his goodie that way in his blue
jeans WALK, much less run, without it chafing or something? I mean,
if it's anything like female boobies it'd be awful after awhile. And
don't guys prefer to keep their goodies protected as much as possible?
(( Shrugs))

We do. While it's possible his package slipped out of his
undies, and he kept going while filming, it's something that would get
noticed quickly. He wouldn't likely allow his penis to remain in a
possition where it would rub against the denim of his jeans.

BTW you claim you are not a racist but you used the same phrase " pig
ignorant" that was used on Larry, who is Jewish.

Jonezie uses other anti-Semitic terms as well.

I only picked the more obvious one affirming the connection between
Jonez and the white supremacist poster.

Granted, but I wanted anyone new to realize the guy is a world
class bigot.

And " ignorant *****"
came from that white supremacist poster, Eric. Even Tjab can figure
this one out.

He's been quite of late. I'm guessing, and hoping, he's busy
with school. And I don't fault him at all for spending more time with
study than with Usenet.

Actually I kinda pity Tjab. Let's hope the kid learns some critical
thinking skills.

He's young. From his posts I'm guessing 19 to 21 years of
age. I expect I was similar around that age. I just didn't have
access to Usenet, so I couldn't display it to as wide an audience. I
was limited to friends.
--
Kent
Jonez/ultra/vox/etc. follows my every order without question.
Message-ID: <rk49h31on5h8as77e6e75io57pb9b9m176@4ax.com>
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User: "forevernitefan"
Title: Re: ~~ Imbeciles give Televangelist $69 MILLION / year ! <= starttaxing these charlatans ~~	19 Nov 2007 01:27:19 AM

On Nov 18, 12:35 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:

As I understand it, on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:43:14 -0800 (PST),

forevernitefan <fvrn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 17, 7:56 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:

As I understand it, on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:07:50 -0800 (PST),

forevernitefan <fvrn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[...]

A small sample of Prof. Jonez's racist rants:

Kent, no one besides the ignorant ***** FNF believes you.

You're jerking yourself straight into Hell with your lies.

"Jerking yourself"? Ah, a sexual reference, male ***** and all that.

The guy is gay. He's hoping that someone will start gay
bashing him, which will give him justification for his actions.
Someday he'll realize it's NOT going to work.

This is why I stated that it was unlikely that Jonezie is a
pedophile. Statistic supported the claim.
By his own words, I was wrong.

No one should have to hide who they are. This is real easy
for me to write on Usenet. Not so easy is getting the world to
understand.

SO Eric, do you get off imagining Kent is "jerking off" about you?

I'd hope he'd have better taste. I'm NOT a hunk.

Kent, some people get off on foot fetishes, for example, so maybe he
would see you as "attractive".

EEEWWW! :-)
Actually, Lin claims he has great taste, but what doe she
know? Have you seen the guy she married?

<insert rim shot SFX>

I find it amusing that some gay guys
think Welling is, ahem, well endowed because of a screen shot on
Smallville.

Well that proves you are straight. I presume you missed the shots
where Tom is without a shirt and a few shots where he is buck nekkid
( always from the rear, assuming that is him and not a stand in). Oh,
for example, him dreaming of skinny dipping with Lana ( the dive was
shadowed but au natural), the dropping his towel at the hospital when
Lois encountered him when he was the brainwashed Kal-El, him coming
out of the furnace after being weakened by kryptonie... well there's a
number of scenes like that