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Killed in Iraq crash, Fort Carson soldier was on 'mission from God'
By Hector Gutierrez, Rocky Mountain News
September 21, 2007
Since Sept. 11, 2001, Sgt. Edmund J. "Eddie" Jeffers felt he had a higher
calling.
After the terrorist attacks, Jeffers graduated from Dale-ville High School in
Daleville, Ala., in 2002 and joined the Army Reserve.
"He believed he was on a mission from God," his father said by telephone from
his home in Navar, Fla., explaining his son's decision to enlist in the
military. "He was a devout Christian as we all are. He said, 'This is our
generation's battle, you know,' and he believed in the cause. . . . He was my
hero."
On Wednesday, Sgt. Jeffers, 23, died in Taqqadum, Iraq, when his vehicle rolled
over, his father said Thursday.
It was the sergeant's second tour of duty when he died.
He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat
Team, 2nd Infantry Division, in Fort Carson.
Jeffers had a role model: His father was a master sergeant. Although he was in
the infantry, Jeffers used his pen as part of his offensive.
What started out as an e- mail he sent to his dad in February is now circulating
through the Internet.
In his letter titled "Hope Rides Alone," Sgt. Jeffers described his battle-weary
experiences in Iraq. It also detailed his frustrations with what he said is a
U.S. public more apt to criticize President Bush and the war on terror than
support American men and women who are fighting to protect freedoms.
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"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
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Killed in Iraq crash, Fort Carson soldier was on 'mission from God'
By Hector Gutierrez, Rocky Mountain News
September 21, 2007
Since Sept. 11, 2001, Sgt. Edmund J. "Eddie" Jeffers felt he had a higher
calling.
After the terrorist attacks, Jeffers graduated from Dale-ville High School
in Daleville, Ala., in 2002 and joined the Army Reserve.
"He believed he was on a mission from God," his father said by telephone
from his home in Navar, Fla., explaining his son's decision to enlist in
the military. "He was a devout Christian as we all are. He said, 'This is
our generation's battle, you know,' and he believed in the cause. . . . He
was my hero."
Poor *****.
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dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| Title: Re: ~~ Killed in Iraq, Fort Carson soldier was on 'mission from God' <= Allah sez: Mission Accomplished !! ~~ |
22 Sep 2007 02:01:02 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
Killed in Iraq crash, Fort Carson soldier was on 'mission from God'
By Hector Gutierrez, Rocky Mountain News
September 21, 2007
Since Sept. 11, 2001, Sgt. Edmund J. "Eddie" Jeffers felt he had a
higher calling.
After the terrorist attacks, Jeffers graduated from Dale-ville High
School in Daleville, Ala., in 2002 and joined the Army Reserve.
"He believed he was on a mission from God," his father said by
telephone from his home in Navar, Fla., explaining his son's
decision to enlist in the military. "He was a devout Christian as we
all are. He said, 'This is our generation's battle, you know,' and
he believed in the cause. . . . He was my hero."
Poor *****.
You misspelled - Ignorant.
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22 Sep 2007 02:24:03 PM |
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On 22 sep, 11:37, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
Killed in Iraq crash, Fort Carson soldier was on 'mission from God'
By Hector Gutierrez, Rocky Mountain News
September 21, 2007
Since Sept. 11, 2001, Sgt. Edmund J. "Eddie" Jeffers felt he had a higher
calling.
After the terrorist attacks, Jeffers graduated from Dale-ville High Schoo=
l in
Daleville, Ala., in 2002 and joined the Army Reserve.
"He believed he was on a mission from God," his father said by telephone =
from
his home in Navar, Fla., explaining his son's decision to enlist in the
military. "He was a devout Christian as we all are. He said, 'This is our
generation's battle, you know,' and he believed in the cause. . . . He wa=
s my
hero."
On Wednesday, Sgt. Jeffers, 23, died in Taqqadum, Iraq, when his vehicle =
rolled
over, his father said Thursday.
It was the sergeant's second tour of duty when he died.
He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade =
Combat
Team, 2nd Infantry Division, in Fort Carson.
Jeffers had a role model: His father was a master sergeant. Although he w=
as in
the infantry, Jeffers used his pen as part of his offensive.
What started out as an e- mail he sent to his dad in February is now circ=
ulating
through the Internet.
In his letter titled "Hope Rides Alone," Sgt. Jeffers described his battl=
e-weary
experiences in Iraq. It also detailed his frustrations with what he said =
is a
U.S. public more apt to criticize President Bush and the war on terror th=
an
support American men and women who are fighting to protect freedoms.
This is really sad.
Whatever good the soldiers in Iraq are doing
it is not making war against terror,
as clearly no terroristic threath was coming from Iraq when the war
started.
And God plays no part in it but in the mind of both sides.
Let's just hope though, it will bring freedom to Iraq in the end,
so sgt. Jeffers won't have died in vane.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Snipped the national guard as Google allowes only 5 NG's
I hope the guards are not offended
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| User: "_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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22 Sep 2007 02:50:17 PM |
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On 22 sep, 11:37, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
Killed in Iraq crash, Fort Carson soldier was on 'mission from God'
By Hector Gutierrez, Rocky Mountain News
September 21, 2007
Since Sept. 11, 2001, Sgt. Edmund J. "Eddie" Jeffers felt he had a
higher calling.
After the terrorist attacks, Jeffers graduated from Dale-ville High
School in Daleville, Ala., in 2002 and joined the Army Reserve.
"He believed he was on a mission from God," his father said by
telephone from his home in Navar, Fla., explaining his son's
decision to enlist in the military. "He was a devout Christian as we
all are. He said, 'This is our generation's battle, you know,' and
he believed in the cause. . . . He was my hero."
On Wednesday, Sgt. Jeffers, 23, died in Taqqadum, Iraq, when his
vehicle rolled over, his father said Thursday.
It was the sergeant's second tour of duty when he died.
He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment, 2nd
Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division, in Fort Carson.
Jeffers had a role model: His father was a master sergeant. Although
he was in the infantry, Jeffers used his pen as part of his
offensive.
What started out as an e- mail he sent to his dad in February is now
circulating through the Internet.
In his letter titled "Hope Rides Alone," Sgt. Jeffers described his
battle-weary experiences in Iraq. It also detailed his frustrations
with what he said is a U.S. public more apt to criticize President
Bush and the war on terror than support American men and women who
are fighting to protect freedoms.
This is really sad.
You misspelled - pathetic.
Whatever good the soldiers in Iraq are doing
The only soldiers doing good are the Iraqi insurgants
fighting and killing the war criminal U$ invaders.
it is not making war against terror,
as clearly no terroristic threath was coming from Iraq when the war
started. And God plays no part in it but in the mind of both sides.
Let's just hope though,
Yeah, your "hope" and 5? will buy you a decaf latte .
it will bring freedom to Iraq in the end,
Freedom? Do tell.
so sgt. Jeffers won't have died in vane.
He, and the 4000+ other U$ war criminals who've been
slaughtered fighting for the Bu$h Junta's LIES have
died meaningless deaths. No future event will change
that any more than the Nazi's who died in WWII brought
freedom to Holland.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Snipped the national guard as Google allowes only 5 NG's
I hope the guards are not offended
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23 Sep 2007 06:58:02 AM |
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On 22 sep, 21:50, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 22 sep, 11:37, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
Killed in Iraq crash, Fort Carson soldier was on 'mission from God'
By Hector Gutierrez, Rocky Mountain News
September 21, 2007
Since Sept. 11, 2001, Sgt. Edmund J. "Eddie" Jeffers felt he had a
higher calling.
After the terrorist attacks, Jeffers graduated from Dale-ville High
School in Daleville, Ala., in 2002 and joined the Army Reserve.
"He believed he was on a mission from God," his father said by
telephone from his home in Navar, Fla., explaining his son's
decision to enlist in the military. "He was a devout Christian as we
all are. He said, 'This is our generation's battle, you know,' and
he believed in the cause. . . . He was my hero."
On Wednesday, Sgt. Jeffers, 23, died in Taqqadum, Iraq, when his
vehicle rolled over, his father said Thursday.
It was the sergeant's second tour of duty when he died.
He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment, 2nd
Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division, in Fort Carson.
Jeffers had a role model: His father was a master sergeant. Although
he was in the infantry, Jeffers used his pen as part of his
offensive.
What started out as an e- mail he sent to his dad in February is now
circulating through the Internet.
In his letter titled "Hope Rides Alone," Sgt. Jeffers described his
battle-weary experiences in Iraq. It also detailed his frustrations
with what he said is a U.S. public more apt to criticize President
Bush and the war on terror than support American men and women who
are fighting to protect freedoms.
This is really sad.
You misspelled - pathetic.
Whatever good the soldiers in Iraq are doing
The only soldiers doing good are the Iraqi insurgants
fighting and killing the war criminal U$ invaders.
it is not making war against terror,
as clearly no terroristic threath was coming from Iraq when the war
started. And God plays no part in it but in the mind of both sides.
Let's just hope though,
Yeah, your "hope" and 5? will buy you a decaf latte .
it will bring freedom to Iraq in the end,
Freedom? Do tell.
so sgt. Jeffers won't have died in vane.
He, and the 4000+ other U$ war criminals who've been
slaughtered fighting for the Bu$h Junta's LIES have
died meaningless deaths. No future event will change
that any more than the Nazi's who died in WWII brought
freedom to Holland.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Snipped the national guard as Google allowes only 5 NG's
I hope the guards are not offended- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht ni=
et weergeven -
- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk =
bericht niet weergeven -
- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
I do not think that the Nazi's brought no change,
but I do get very sad whenever I realized that the German (and
Japanese!) soldiers in WOII suffered a lot too. And that for a cause
that was not to be,
and that in my opinion should not be.
As for your evaluation of the US presence in Iraq.
I doubt that any of the soldiers has any of the intentions you think
GW Bush has. And furtherore I do not dismiss the fact that Saddam was
a dictator (and a nasty one at that) as irrelevant. Finally you have
not proven that even one of the 4000 men who died in Iraq thus far,
was a was criminal.
Apart from that, I just hope that you are wrong and that something
good will happen to Iraq, but I admit that it might all turn out to be
meaningless.
Your choice of words though is very disturbing.
If you keep this up you might face severe charges for slander one day.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Sorry for - again - having to snip the National Guards
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23 Sep 2007 01:38:14 PM |
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On 22 sep, 21:50, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 22 sep, 11:37, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
Killed in Iraq crash, Fort Carson soldier was on 'mission from God'
By Hector Gutierrez, Rocky Mountain News
September 21, 2007
Since Sept. 11, 2001, Sgt. Edmund J. "Eddie" Jeffers felt he had a
higher calling.
After the terrorist attacks, Jeffers graduated from Dale-ville High
School in Daleville, Ala., in 2002 and joined the Army Reserve.
"He believed he was on a mission from God," his father said by
telephone from his home in Navar, Fla., explaining his son's
decision to enlist in the military. "He was a devout Christian as
we all are. He said, 'This is our generation's battle, you know,'
and he believed in the cause. . . . He was my hero."
On Wednesday, Sgt. Jeffers, 23, died in Taqqadum, Iraq, when his
vehicle rolled over, his father said Thursday.
It was the sergeant's second tour of duty when he died.
He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment, 2nd
Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division, in Fort Carson.
Jeffers had a role model: His father was a master sergeant.
Although he was in the infantry, Jeffers used his pen as part of
his offensive.
What started out as an e- mail he sent to his dad in February is
now circulating through the Internet.
In his letter titled "Hope Rides Alone," Sgt. Jeffers described his
battle-weary experiences in Iraq. It also detailed his frustrations
with what he said is a U.S. public more apt to criticize President
Bush and the war on terror than support American men and women who
are fighting to protect freedoms.
This is really sad.
You misspelled - pathetic.
Whatever good the soldiers in Iraq are doing
The only soldiers doing good are the Iraqi insurgants
fighting and killing the war criminal U$ invaders.
it is not making war against terror,
as clearly no terroristic threath was coming from Iraq when the war
started. And God plays no part in it but in the mind of both sides.
Let's just hope though,
Yeah, your "hope" and 5? will buy you a decaf latte .
it will bring freedom to Iraq in the end,
Freedom? Do tell.
so sgt. Jeffers won't have died in vane.
He, and the 4000+ other U$ war criminals who've been
slaughtered fighting for the Bu$h Junta's LIES have
died meaningless deaths. No future event will change
that any more than the Nazi's who died in WWII brought
freedom to Holland.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
I do not think that the Nazi's brought no change,
but I do get very sad whenever I realized that the German (and
Japanese!) soldiers in WOII suffered a lot too. And that for a cause
that was not to be, and that in my opinion should not be.
Support the Troops!
Support the Gestapo!
Support the Kamakazis!
As for your evaluation of the US presence in Iraq.
I doubt that any of the soldiers has any of the intentions you think
GW Bush has.
Really? Do tell.
And furtherore I do not dismiss the fact that Saddam was
a dictator (and a nasty one at that) as irrelevant.
Well then, how about you make a list of all the
"nasty" gov't and dictators around the world --
start with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and go from there --
and let the U$ know which sovereign nations you
want them to attack, invade and occupy next.
Finally you have
not proven that even one of the 4000 men who died in Iraq thus far,
was a was criminal.
The entire U$ operation in Iraq is unlawful, the U$ administrators
even admit that fact. And in the U$A, they don't have trails for
dead soldiers who commited war crimes -- do they do that in
the Netherlands?
If you want a record of the 1000s of U$ soldiers who are not
yet dead but have committed individual criminal acts, you can
Google for them all day long. Have fun.
Apart from that, I just hope that you are wrong and that something
good will happen to Iraq, but I admit that it might all turn out to be
meaningless.
It's meaningless now, moron. And only an imbecile as pig-ignorant
as the criminals Repugnikans who instigated this illegal attack,
invasion and occupation of a smaller, weaker and poorer sovereign
nation -- killing 100,000+ innocent civilians in the process -- would
ever think otherwise.
Your choice of words though is very disturbing.
More or less disturbing than the 1000s of burned, bombed,
shot, slaughtered bodies of innocent Iraqi women and children
who've died at the hands of the War Criminal U$ scumbags?
If you keep this up you might face severe charges for slander one day.
***** you, and ***** what you stand for, you simpering *****.
Any questions?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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22 Sep 2007 05:47:06 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:24:03 -0700, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl"
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
Let's just hope though, it will bring freedom to Iraq in the end,
so sgt. Jeffers won't have died in vane.
He already died in vain - there was no valid reason for us to be in
Iraq unless we're prepared to be there for at least a few hundred
years - which we're not..
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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23 Sep 2007 07:04:26 AM |
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On 23 sep, 00:47, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:24:03 -0700, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote:
Let's just hope though, it will bring freedom to Iraq in the end,
so sgt. Jeffers won't have died in vane.
He already died in vain - there was no valid reason for us to be in
Iraq unless we're prepared to be there for at least a few hundred
years - which we're not..
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If Iraq turns out to be a working democracy in some way he might not
have died in vain. That's what I hope for. I think the USA is now in
debt to the people for Iraq, as it brought them more harm than good.
And I do hope that unlike in Vietnam, they are going to make
sufficient repairs. That is why I think the troops ought to stay
untill the Iraqi government asks them to leave. Alas I doubt wether
many Americans care about the people of Iraq.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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23 Sep 2007 01:43:17 PM |
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On 23 sep, 00:47, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:24:03 -0700, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote:
Let's just hope though, it will bring freedom to Iraq in the end,
so sgt. Jeffers won't have died in vane.
He already died in vain - there was no valid reason for us to be in
Iraq unless we're prepared to be there for at least a few hundred
years - which we're not..
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If Iraq turns out to be a working democracy in some way he might not
have died in vain.
If pigs could fly, then morons from Holland wouldn't be so fucking stupid.
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23 Sep 2007 01:07:53 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:04:26 -0700, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl"
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
On 23 sep, 00:47, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:24:03 -0700, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote:
Let's just hope though, it will bring freedom to Iraq in the end,
so sgt. Jeffers won't have died in vane.
He already died in vain - there was no valid reason for us to be in
Iraq unless we're prepared to be there for at least a few hundred
years - which we're not..
--
If Iraq turns out to be a working democracy in some way he might not
have died in vain.
If it happens despite our intervention, rather than because of it, he
will have.
And I do hope that unlike in Vietnam, they are going to make
sufficient repairs.
I doubt that will ever happen.
That is why I think the troops ought to stay
untill the Iraqi government asks them to leave.
Since the "Iraqi government" is just the puppet moving its lips while
the US government speaks, that's unlikely as well.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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23 Sep 2007 01:56:04 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
pbamvv@worldonline.nl wrote:
Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
Let's just hope though, it will bring freedom to Iraq in the end,
so sgt. Jeffers won't have died in vane.
He already died in vain - there was no valid reason for us to be in
Iraq unless we're prepared to be there for at least a few hundred
years - which we're not..
If Iraq turns out to be a working democracy in some way he might not
have died in vain.
If it happens despite our intervention, rather than because of it, he
will have.
And I do hope that unlike in Vietnam, they are going to make
sufficient repairs.
I doubt that will ever happen.
That is why I think the troops ought to stay
untill the Iraqi government asks them to leave.
Since the "Iraqi government" is just the puppet moving its lips while
the US government speaks, that's unlikely as well.
On Tuesday, May 8 2007, without note in the U.S. media, more than half of the
members of Iraq's parliament rejected the continuing occupation of their
country. 144 lawmakers signed onto a legislative petition calling on the United
States to set a timetable for withdrawal, according to Nassar Al-Rubaie, the
Iraqi nationalist group that sponsored the petition.
"If the provisional government asks us to leave we will leave . obviously we don't
stay in countries where we're not welcome."
-- L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. installed Viceroy in Iraq, May
13, 2004
"We are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government. This is a sovereign
nation. Twelve million people went to the polls to approve a constitution. It's
their government's choice.
If they were to say leave, we would leave."
-- War Criminal G aWol Bu$h, May 24 2007
Iraq tells US security company to leave after civilian murders
By Kim Senguptain Baghdad
Published: 18 September 2007
The Iraqi government has ordered the American private security contractor
Blackwater, which provides protection for US officials in the country, to shut
down its operations after its guards were accused of murdering10 civilians and
injuring 13 others in Baghdad.
Employees of the company opened fire indiscriminately after a bomb exploded on
Sunday in the Mansour district of the city, packed with people shopping for
Ramadan.
The Iraqi government's decision, personally endorsed by the Prime Minister Nouri
al-Maliki, is the strongest measure taken yet against private security
contractors, who have been repeatedly accused of carrying out unprovoked
shootings of Iraqi civilians
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23 Sep 2007 06:06:35 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:04:26 -0700, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl"
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
On 23 sep, 00:47, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:24:03 -0700, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote:
Let's just hope though, it will bring freedom to Iraq in the end,
so sgt. Jeffers won't have died in vane.
He already died in vain - there was no valid reason for us to be in
Iraq unless we're prepared to be there for at least a few hundred
years - which we're not..
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If Iraq turns out to be a working democracy in some way he might not
have died in vain. That's what I hope for. I think the USA is now in
debt to the people for Iraq, as it brought them more harm than good.
While at the same time the Iraqi people should apologize to the US for
allowing Saddam to get into power. His terror reminds one of Hitler -
a tendency to kill others en mass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Kuwait
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_Campaign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack
How could the people of Germany follow a mad man, similarly, how could
the people of Iraq follow a mad man?
On top of that, both Iran and Saudi Arabia owes the US big time for
removing Saddam as well.
And I do hope that unlike in Vietnam, they are going to make
sufficient repairs. That is why I think the troops ought to stay
untill the Iraqi government asks them to leave. Alas I doubt wether
many Americans care about the people of Iraq.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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23 Sep 2007 06:37:13 PM |
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On 2007-09-23 16:06:35 -0700, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> said:
How could the people of Germany follow a mad man, similarly, how could
the people of Iraq follow a mad man?
The real question is; How could the people of the USA follow a mad idiot.
On top of that, both Iran and Saudi Arabia owes the US big time for
removing Saddam as well.
No, we all owe China for buying our treasuries. We better just hope
they don't call them.
And I do hope that unlike in Vietnam, they are going to make
sufficient repairs. That is why I think the troops ought to stay
untill the Iraqi government asks them to leave. Alas I doubt wether
many Americans care about the people of Iraq.
No they should get out now. Leave everything behind, it's shot to hell anyway.
Éand you are correct, there are not too many Americans who actually
give a damn for the people of Iraq.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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No, we all owe China for buying our treasuries. We better just hope
they don't call them.
Why, is 350 billion to much for the US to pay?
We owe China(according to wiki):
$330 billion U.S. Treasury notes(.1% of GDP?), which after buying back
we would sell, to prevent a deflationary recession, to another
country.
China has(according to wiki):
$640 billion in US dollars, which they can't do ***** with except to
reinvest in the US. :)
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Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the primitives with fire wrote:
No, we all owe China for buying our treasuries. We better just hope
they don't call them.
Why, is 350 billion to much for the US to pay?
We owe China(according to wiki):
$330 billion U.S. Treasury notes(.1% of GDP?), which after buying back
we would sell, to prevent a deflationary recession, to another
country.
China has(according to wiki):
$640 billion in US dollars, which they can't do ***** with except to
reinvest in the US. :)
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
I dont think you'll find many suckers willing to invest in America, because of
the _shrinking_ American dollar value hurting their investment returns .... :-\
---> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001519.html
God's Creator!
( Sorry, I don't forgive *****! )
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On Sep 24, 1:05 am, "God's Creator!" <Why_Are_Go...@Always.Bro.ke>
wrote:
Anonymous Infidel - Scares away the primitives with fire wrote:>> No, we all owe China for buying our treasuries. We better just hope
they don't call them.
Why, is 350 billion to much for the US to pay?
We owe China(according to wiki):
$330 billion U.S. Treasury notes(.1% of GDP?), which after buying back
we would sell, to prevent a deflationary recession, to another
country.
China has(according to wiki):
$640 billion in US dollars, which they can't do ***** with except to
reinvest in the US. :)
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
Idiot extraordinaire that is most likely bongblaster(admitted
crackhead).
I dont think you'll find many suckers willing to invest in America, because of
the _shrinking_ American dollar value hurting their investment returns ....
Yes, obviously you(mongoloid) don't think.
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23 Sep 2007 09:33:21 PM |
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Savageduck wrote:
On 2007-09-23 16:06:35 -0700, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> said:
How could the people of Germany follow a mad man, similarly, how
could the people of Iraq follow a mad man?
The real question is; How could the people of the USA follow a mad
idiot.
Americunts are pig-ignorant cowards.
On top of that, both Iran and Saudi Arabia owes the US big time for
removing Saddam as well.
No, we all owe China for buying our treasuries. We better just hope
they don't call them.
And I do hope that unlike in Vietnam, they are going to make
sufficient repairs. That is why I think the troops ought to stay
untill the Iraqi government asks them to leave. Alas I doubt wether
many Americans care about the people of Iraq.
No they should get out now. Leave everything behind, it's shot to
hell anyway. Éand you are correct, there are not too many Americans
who actually give a damn for the people of Iraq.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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23 Sep 2007 10:23:13 PM |
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On 2007-09-23 19:33:21 -0700, "´ UltraMan ´" <ultra@man.jp> said:
Savageduck wrote:
On 2007-09-23 16:06:35 -0700, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> said:
How could the people of Germany follow a mad man, similarly, how
could the people of Iraq follow a mad man?
The real question is; How could the people of the USA follow a mad
idiot.
Americunts are pig-ignorant cowards.
Don't confuse misguided ignorance with cowardice.
Remember, behind the "Ugly American" image, you are dealing with a
people whose unlimited generosity and courage has been called upon
Globally time and again since 1776, and we have answered that call.
The American people are also naively forgiving, instead of national
retribution after WWII we were instrumental in leading the recovery of
the major antagonists, Germany and Japan, as you should be well aware
of.
Our presence and contibutions have been unmatched by any other nation
when the call for help goes out after a natural disaster.
So call us what you will, if you read these NGs you will see we
recognize the idiots among us. We identify the mistakes that have been
made, though there are some still in denial. We have our differences
and we certainly love to hate each other, but we will, and have joined
together as Americans when we need to.
Courage exists in many forms, courage in combat is one thing, courage
to voice descent until the nation turns is another.
Don't underestimate all varieties of American courage. I am sure there
will be much of it needed in the future.
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24 Sep 2007 12:15:44 AM |
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Savageduck wrote:
On 2007-09-23 19:33:21 -0700, "´ UltraMan ´" <ultra@man.jp> said:
Savageduck wrote:
On 2007-09-23 16:06:35 -0700, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> said:
How could the people of Germany follow a mad man, similarly, how
could the people of Iraq follow a mad man?
The real question is; How could the people of the USA follow a mad
idiot.
Americunts are pig-ignorant cowards.
Don't confuse misguided ignorance with cowardice.
Americunts possess both traits.
Remember, behind the "Ugly American" image, you are dealing with a
people whose unlimited generosity
*****.
and courage has been called upon
More *****.
Globally time and again since 1776, and we have answered that call.
Your delusion is repugnant.
The American people are also naively forgiving, instead of national
retribution after WWII we were instrumental in leading the recovery of
the major antagonists, Germany and Japan, as you should be well aware
of.
Ancient history. Those values are long dead in the U$A.
Our presence and contibutions have been unmatched by any other nation
when the call for help goes out after a natural disaster.
More cimplete and utter jingoistic *****.
So call us what you will, if you read these NGs you will see we
recognize the idiots among us.
So who in the Bu$h administration have you impeached and imprisoned?
We identify the mistakes that have been
made, though there are some still in denial.
So who in the Bu$h administration have you impeached and imprisoned for War
Crimes
and Crimes Against Humanity?
We have our differences
and we certainly love to hate each other, but we will, and have joined
together as Americans when we need to.
You joined together to unlawfully attack, invade and occupy a smaler,
weaker and poorer sovereign nation, killing 100,000+ innocent
civilians in the process.
Courage exists in many forms,
Noe of which you, or the Americunts possess.
courage in combat is one thing, courage
to voice descent until the nation turns is another.
Don't underestimate all varieties of American courage. I am sure there
will be much of it needed in the future.
Keep deluding yourself, sucker.
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24 Sep 2007 12:59:48 AM |
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On 2007-09-23 22:15:44 -0700, "´ UltraMan ´" <ultra@man.jp> said:
Savageduck wrote:
On 2007-09-23 19:33:21 -0700, "« UltraMan «" <ultra@man.jp> said:
Savageduck wrote:
On 2007-09-23 16:06:35 -0700, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> said:
How could the people of Germany follow a mad man, similarly, how
could the people of Iraq follow a mad man?
The real question is; How could the people of the USA follow a mad
idiot.
Americunts are pig-ignorant cowards.
Don't confuse misguided ignorance with cowardice.
Americunts possess both traits.
Remember, behind the "Ugly American" image, you are dealing with a
people whose unlimited generosity
*****.
and courage has been called upon
More *****.
Globally time and again since 1776, and we have answered that call.
Your delusion is repugnant.
The American people are also naively forgiving, instead of national
retribution after WWII we were instrumental in leading the recovery of
the major antagonists, Germany and Japan, as you should be well aware
of.
Ancient history. Those values are long dead in the U$A.
Our presence and contibutions have been unmatched by any other nation
when the call for help goes out after a natural disaster.
More cimplete and utter jingoistic *****.
So call us what you will, if you read these NGs you will see we
recognize the idiots among us.
So who in the Bu$h administration have you impeached and imprisoned?
We identify the mistakes that have been
made, though there are some still in denial.
So who in the Bu$h administration have you impeached and imprisoned for
War Crimes
and Crimes Against Humanity?
We have our differences
and we certainly love to hate each other, but we will, and have joined
together as Americans when we need to.
You joined together to unlawfully attack, invade and occupy a smaler,
weaker and poorer sovereign nation, killing 100,000+ innocent
civilians in the process.
Courage exists in many forms,
Noe of which you, or the Americunts possess.
courage in combat is one thing, courage
to voice descent until the nation turns is another.
Don't underestimate all varieties of American courage. I am sure there
will be much of it needed in the future.
Keep deluding yourself, sucker.
No delussion here. The delussion is yours.
I have seen the courage and generosity of my fellow Americans first
hand, in combat, disaster and in the Law enforcement area given my
almost 60 years of life experience.
You on the otherhand feel free to make whatever provocative utterances
you choose, given the luxury of the shield of the USENET, behind which
we can all say some pretty foolish, pseudo courageous and insulting
things and flex our fingers threateningly, with macho posturing over
our keyboards.
I may be just as presumptious as you here, I have my doubts of your
ability to exhibit a moments courage or personal control if faced with
a crisis threatening you or one of your fellow man's survival.
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24 Sep 2007 01:26:54 AM |
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"Savageduck" <savageduck@savage.net> wrote in message
news:2007092322594878840-savageduck@savagenet...
On 2007-09-23 22:15:44 -0700, "´ UltraMan ´" <ultra@man.jp> said:
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Keep deluding yourself, sucker.
No delussion here. The delussion is yours.
I have seen the courage and generosity of my fellow Americans first hand,
in combat, disaster and in the Law enforcement area given my almost 60
years of life experience.
You on the otherhand feel free to make whatever provocative utterances you
choose, given the luxury of the shield of the USENET, behind which we can
all say some pretty foolish, pseudo courageous and insulting things and
flex our fingers threateningly, with macho posturing over our keyboards.
I may be just as presumptious as you here, I have my doubts of your
ability to exhibit a moments courage or personal control if faced with a
crisis threatening you or one of your fellow man's survival.
--
ð ¹ 4 ·Æ
For some reason ´ UltraMan ´ seems to be in my kill file. Maybe it was the
insults. Maybe it was the irrationality. Maybe it was just keeping my
sanity, and not reading crap. But that's just me.
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24 Sep 2007 01:44:27 AM |
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Billzz wrote:
"Savageduck" <savageduck@savage.net> wrote in message
news:2007092322594878840-savageduck@savagenet...
On 2007-09-23 22:15:44 -0700, "´ UltraMan ´" <ultra@man.jp> said:
-stuff snipped-
Keep deluding yourself, sucker.
No delussion here. The delussion is yours.
I have seen the courage and generosity of my fellow Americans first
hand, in combat, disaster and in the Law enforcement area given my
almost 60 years of life experience.
You on the otherhand feel free to make whatever provocative
utterances you choose, given the luxury of the shield of the USENET,
behind which we can all say some pretty foolish, pseudo courageous
and insulting things and flex our fingers threateningly, with macho
posturing over our keyboards. I may be just as presumptious as you
here, I have my doubts of your ability to exhibit a moments courage
or personal control if faced with a crisis threatening you or one of
your fellow man's survival. --
ð ¹ 4 ·Æ
For some reason ´ UltraMan ´ seems to be in my kill file. Maybe it
was the insults. Maybe it was the irrationality. Maybe it was just
keeping my sanity, and not reading crap. But that's just me.
Maybe it's your denial in the face of reality and the cognitive dissonance
it causes in your feeble brain.
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24 Sep 2007 02:32:43 AM |
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On 2007-09-23 23:26:54 -0700, "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> said:
"Savageduck" <savageduck@savage.net> wrote in message
news:2007092322594878840-savageduck@savagenet...
On 2007-09-23 22:15:44 -0700, "´ UltraMan ´" <ultra@man.jp> said:
-stuff snipped-
Keep deluding yourself, sucker.
No delussion here. The delussion is yours.
I have seen the courage and generosity of my fellow Americans first
hand, in combat, disaster and in the Law enforcement area given my
almost 60 years of life experience.
You on the otherhand feel free to make whatever provocative utterances
you choose, given the luxury of the shield of the USENET, behind which
we can all say some pretty foolish, pseudo courageous and insulting
things and flex our fingers threateningly, with macho posturing over
our keyboards.
I may be just as presumptious as you here, I have my doubts of your
ability to exhibit a moments courage or personal control if faced with
a crisis threatening you or one of your fellow man's survival.
--
ð ¹ 4 ·Æ
For some reason ´ UltraMan ´ seems to be in my kill file. Maybe it was
the insults. Maybe it was the irrationality. Maybe it was just
keeping my sanity, and not reading crap. But that's just me.
If you examine the headers for Ultraman and _Prof. Jonez_ you will
find that they are one and the same person, an obvious TROLL.
--
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24 Sep 2007 12:13:53 PM |
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Savageduck wrote:
On 2007-09-23 23:26:54 -0700, "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net>
"Savageduck" <savageduck@savage.net> wrote in message
On 2007-09-23 22:15:44 -0700, "´ UltraMan ´" <ultra@man.jp> said:
-stuff snipped-
Keep deluding yourself, sucker.
No delussion here. The delussion is yours.
I have seen the courage and generosity of my fellow Americans first
hand, in combat, disaster and in the Law enforcement area given my
almost 60 years of life experience.
You on the otherhand feel free to make whatever provocative
utterances you choose, given the luxury of the shield of the
USENET, behind which we can all say some pretty foolish, pseudo
courageous and insulting things and flex our fingers threateningly,
with macho posturing over our keyboards.
I may be just as presumptious as you here, I have my doubts of your
ability to exhibit a moments courage or personal control if faced
with a crisis threatening you or one of your fellow man's survival.
--
ð ¹ 4 ·Æ
For some reason ´ UltraMan ´ seems to be in my kill file. Maybe it
was the insults. Maybe it was the irrationality. Maybe it was just
keeping my sanity, and not reading crap. But that's just me.
If you examine the headers for Ultraman and _Prof. Jonez_ you will
find that they are one and the same person, an obvious TROLL.
Savage Dictionary - TROLL = anyone who presents arguments that you can't refute.
Now run along and hide little boy.
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24 Sep 2007 01:54:43 AM |
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On 2007-09-23 23:26:54 -0700, "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> said:
"Savageduck" <savageduck@savage.net> wrote in message
news:2007092322594878840-savageduck@savagenet...
On 2007-09-23 22:15:44 -0700, "´ UltraMan ´" <ultra@man.jp> said:
-stuff snipped-
Keep deluding yourself, sucker.
No delussion here. The delussion is yours.
I have seen the courage and generosity of my fellow Americans first
hand, in combat, disaster and in the Law enforcement area given my
almost 60 years of life experience.
You on the otherhand feel free to make whatever provocative utterances
you choose, given the luxury of the shield of the USENET, behind which
we can all say some pretty foolish, pseudo courageous and insulting
things and flex our fingers threateningly, with macho posturing over
our keyboards.
I may be just as presumptious as you here, I have my doubts of your
ability to exhibit a moments courage or personal control if faced with
a crisis threatening you or one of your fellow man's survival.
--
ð ¹ 4 ·Æ
For some reason ´ UltraMan ´ seems to be in my kill file. Maybe it was
the insults. Maybe it was the irrationality. Maybe it was just
keeping my sanity, and not reading crap. But that's just me.
Yes the time has come, I have tried to be rational and reasonable, to
no avail. So there he goes.
--
 π 4 ∑∆
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24 Sep 2007 12:12:35 PM |
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Savageduck wrote:
On 2007-09-23 23:26:54 -0700, "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net>
"Savageduck" <savageduck@savage.net> wrote in message
On 2007-09-23 22:15:44 -0700, "´ UltraMan ´" <ultra@man.jp> said:
-stuff snipped-
Keep deluding yourself, sucker.
No delussion here. The delussion is yours.
I have seen the courage and generosity of my fellow Americans first
hand, in combat, disaster and in the Law enforcement area given my
almost 60 years of life experience.
You on the otherhand feel free to make whatever provocative
utterances you choose, given the luxury of the shield of the
USENET, behind which we can all say some pretty foolish, pseudo
courageous and insulting things and flex our fingers threateningly,
with macho posturing over our keyboards.
I may be just as presumptious as you here, I have my doubts of your
ability to exhibit a moments courage or personal control if faced
with a crisis threatening you or one of your fellow man's survival.
--
ð ¹ 4 ·Æ
For some reason ´ UltraMan ´ seems to be in my kill file. Maybe it
was the insults. Maybe it was the irrationality. Maybe it was just
keeping my sanity, and not reading crap. But that's just me.
Yes the time has come, I have tried to be rational and reasonable, to
no avail. So there he goes.
Typical response from a delusional imbecile when faced with uncomfortable
realities ... run and hide.
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24 Sep 2007 01:12:54 AM |
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Savageduck wrote:
On 2007-09-23 22:15:44 -0700, "´ UltraMan ´" <ultra@man.jp> said:
Savageduck wrote:
On 2007-09-23 19:33:21 -0700, "« UltraMan «" <ultra@man.jp> said:
Savageduck wrote:
On 2007-09-23 16:06:35 -0700, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> said:
How could the people of Germany follow a mad man, similarly, how
could the people of Iraq follow a mad man?
The real question is; How could the people of the USA follow a mad
idiot.
Americunts are pig-ignorant cowards.
Don't confuse misguided ignorance with cowardice.
Americunts possess both traits.
Remember, behind the "Ugly American" image, you are dealing with a
people whose unlimited generosity
*****.
and courage has been called upon
More *****.
Globally time and again since 1776, and we have answered that call.
Your delusion is repugnant.
The American people are also naively forgiving, instead of national
retribution after WWII we were instrumental in leading the recovery
of the major antagonists, Germany and Japan, as you should be well
aware of.
Ancient history. Those values are long dead in the U$A.
Our presence and contibutions have been unmatched by any other
nation when the call for help goes out after a natural disaster.
More cimplete and utter jingoistic *****.
So call us what you will, if you read these NGs you will see we
recognize the idiots among us.
So who in the Bu$h administration have you impeached and imprisoned?
We identify the mistakes that have been
made, though there are some still in denial.
So who in the Bu$h administration have you impeached and imprisoned
for War Crimes
and Crimes Against Humanity?
We have our differences
and we certainly love to hate each other, but we will, and have
joined together as Americans when we need to.
You joined together to unlawfully attack, invade and occupy a smaler,
weaker and poorer sovereign nation, killing 100,000+ innocent
civilians in the process.
Courage exists in many forms,
Noe of which you, or the Americunts possess.
courage in combat is one thing, courage
to voice descent until the nation turns is another.
Don't underestimate all varieties of American courage. I am sure
there will be much of it needed in the future.
Keep deluding yourself, sucker.
No delussion here. The delussion is yours.
I have seen the courage and generosity of my fellow Americans first
hand, in combat, disaster and in the Law enforcement area given my
almost 60 years of life experience.
1988
U.S. NAVY MASS-MURDER OF CIVILIAN IRANIAN AIRLINE PASSENGERS
Known civilian deaths: 290 people
On July 3, 1988 the U.S. Navy warship the Vincennes was operating within
Iranian waters, providing military support for Iraq in the ongoing Iran/Iraq
war. During a one-sided battle against a small number of lightly armed
Iranian gunboats, the Vincennes fired two missiles at an [Iranian] Airbus,
which was on a routine civilian flight. All 290 civilians onboard were
killed.
This act of mass murder by the U.S. has never resulted in any court case.
The captain and crew of the Vincennes were militarily decorated. Attempts by
relatives of the victims to bring legal action against the American
government were rejected by the US Supreme Court in 1993. Despite the fact
that the vast majority of victims were Iranian, the US paid $2.9 million in
compensation only to non-Iranian victims of the shooting.
"I will never apologize for the United States of America - I don't care what
the facts are."
- President George Bush, Sr. referring to the mass-murder
of Iranian civilian people by the U.S.S. Vincennes
1959 - PRESENT
AMERICAN SUBVERSION AND STATE TERRORISM OF THE CUBAN PEOPLE
Fidel Castro came to power at the beginning of 1959. A U.S. National
Security Council meeting of March 10, 1959 included on its agenda the
feasibility of bringing "another government to power in Cuba." There
followed 40 years of terrorist attacks, bombings, full-scale military
invasion, sanctions, embargoes, isolation, assassinations...Cuba had carried
out The Unforgivable Revolution, a very serious threat of setting a "good
example" in Latin America.
The saddest part of this is that the world will never know what kind of
society Cuba could have produced if left alone, if not constantly under the
gun and the threat of invasion, if allowed to relax its control at home. The
idealism, the vision, the talent were all there. But we'll never know. And
that of course was the idea.
1960 - PRESENT
AMERICAN ASSASSINATION OF PATRICE LUMUMBA AND SUPPORT OF STATE TERRORISM OF THE
PEOPLE OF THE CONGO/ZAIRE
From Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since WWII
In June 1960, Patrice Lumumba became the Congo's first prime minister after
independence from Belgium. But Belgium retained its vast mineral wealth in
Katanga province, prominent Eisenhower administration officials had
financial ties to the same wealth, and Lumumba, at Independence Day
ceremonies before a host of foreign dignitaries, called for the nation's
economic as well as its political liberation, and recounted a list of
injustices against the natives by the white owners of the country. The man
was obviously a "Communist." The poor man was obviously doomed.
Eleven days later, Katanga province seceded, in September, Lumumba was
dismissed by the president at the instigation of the United States, and in
January 1961 he was assassinated at the express request of [President]
Dwight Eisenhower. There followed several years of civil conflict and chaos
and the rise to power of Mobutu Sese Seko, a man not a stranger to the CIA.
Mobutu went on to rule the country for more than 30 years, with a level of
corruption and cruelty that shocked even his CIA handlers. The Zairian
people lived in abject poverty despite the plentiful natural wealth, while
Mobutu became a multibillionaire.
1960S - PRESENT
AMERICAN SUPPORT FOR COLOMBIAN STATE TERRORISM OF THE COLOMBIAN PEOPLE
Estimated civilian deaths: over 67,000 people
Under the guise of aid for "counternarcotics" operations, the U.S. Corporate
Mafia Government is supplying weapons, training, troops and $1.3 billion of
American taxpayers' money to its murderous apprentices in the Colombian
military. The real purpose of all this aid is to support the government's
massive political oppression of the Colombian people. It's Vietnam all over
again.
Colombia is the most violent country in the world. The vast majority of the
terror is committed by the U.S.-supported military and right-wing
paramilitary forces - who are heavily involved in cocaine production and
smuggling. They have tortured and murdered tens of thousands of people in
trade unions and left-wing movements, including many human rights activists
and grassroots organizers.
1963
AMERICAN/BRITISH ASSASSINATION OF THE LEADER OF IRAQ
In July 1958, Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem overthrew the monarchy and established
a republic. Though somewhat of a reformist, he was by no means any kind of
radical. His action, however, awakened revolutionary fervor in the masses
and increased the influence of the Iraqi Communist Party.
By April of the following year, CIA Director Allen Dulles, with his
customary hyperbole, was telling Congress that the Iraqi Communists were
close to a "complete takeover" and the situation in that country was "the
most dangerous in the world today." In actuality, Kassem aimed at being a
neutralist in the Cold War and pursued rather inconsistent policies toward
the Iraqi Communists, never allowing them formal representation in his
cabinet, nor even full legality, though they strongly desired both. He tried
to maintain power by playing the Communists off against other ideological
groups.
A secret plan for a joint US-Turkish invasion of the country was drafted by
the United States Joint Chiefs of Staff shortly after the 1958 coup.
Reportedly, only Soviet threats to intercede on Iraq's side forced
Washington to hold back. But in 1960, the United States began to fund the
Kurdish guerrillas in Iraq who were fighting for a measure of autonomy and
the CIA undertook an assassination attempt against Kassem, which was
unsuccessful.
The Iraqi leader made himself even more of a marked man when, in that same
year, he began to help create the Organization of Petroleum Exporting
Countries (OPEC), which challenged the stranglehold Western oil companies
had on the marketing of Arab oil; and in 1962 he created a national oil
company to exploit the nation's oil.
In February 1963, Kassem told the French daily, Le Monde, that he had
received a note from Washington - "in terms scarcely veiled, calling upon me
to change my attitude, under threat of sanctions against Iraq... All our
trouble with the imperialists [the US and the UK] began the day we claimed
our legitimate rights to Kuwait." (Kuwait was a key element in US and UK
hegemonic designs over mid-east oil.)
A few days after Kassem's remarks were published, he was overthrown in a
coup and summarily executed; thousands of communists were killed.
The State Department soon informed the press that it was pleased that the
new regime would respect international agreements and was not interested in
nationalizing the giant Iraq Petroleum Co., of which the US was a major
owner. The new government, at least for the time being, also cooled its
claim to Kuwait.
Papers of the British cabinet of 1963, later declassified, disclose that the
coup had been backed by the British and the CIA.
1975 - 1999
AMERICAN-BACKED GENOCIDE OF THE PEOPLE OF EAST TIMOR
Estimated civilian deaths: over 200,000 people
In December 1975, Indonesia invaded East Timor, which lies at the eastern
end of the Indonesian archipelago, and which had proclaimed its independence
after Portugal had relinquished control of it. The invasion was launched the
day after U.S. President Gerald Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger
had left Indonesia after giving Suharto permission to use American arms,
which, under U.S. law, could not be used for aggression. Indonesia was
Washington's most valuable tool in Southeast Asia.
Amnesty International estimated that by 1989, Indonesian troops, with the
aim of forcibly annexing East Timor, had killed 200,000 people out of a
population of between 600,000 and 700,000. The United States consistently
supported Indonesia's claim to East Timor (unlike the UN and the EU), and
downplayed the slaughter to a remarkable degree, at the same time supplying
Indonesia with all the military hardware and training it needed to carry out
the job.
From Derailing Democracy
The U.S.-backed government of Indonesia invaded East Timor just one day
after a visit by President Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger. As many as a
third of the tiny island's population were exterminated using American
supplied weaponry.
The Indonesian government, kept propped up with U.S. taxpayers' money,
continues to this day to be one of the worst human rights abusers on the
planet.
1979 - 1992
AMERICAN SUBVERSION IN AFGHANISTAN
Estimated civilian deaths: over 1,000,000 people
Everyone knows of the unbelievable repression of women in Afghanistan,
carried out by Islamic fundamentalists, even before the Taliban. But how
many people know that during the late 1970s and most of the 1980s,
Afghanistan had a government committed to bringing the incredibly backward
nation into the 20th century, including giving women equal rights?
What happened, however, is that the United States poured billions of dollars
into waging a terrible war against this government, simply because it was
supported by the Soviet Union. Prior to this, CIA operations had knowingly
increased the probability of a Soviet intervention, which is what occurred.
In the end, the United States won, and the women, and the rest of
Afghanistan, lost. More than a million dead, three million disabled, five
million refugees, in total about half the population.
See also:
1981 - 1990
AMERICAN TERRORISM OF THE NICARAGUAN PEOPLE
Estimated civilian deaths: over 13,000 people
From Derailing Democracy
Following the fall of the Somoza regime, which had been backed for decades
by the U.S., the CIA formed and armed the covert army known as the "Contras"
from the remains of Somoza's National Guard. Assisted by covert U.S. air
power, this proxy army inflicted considerable death and destruction across
the Nicaraguan countryside.
When the Sandinistas overthrew the Somoza dictatorship in 1978, it was clear
to Washington that they might well be that long-dreaded beast - "another
Cuba." Under President Carter, attempts to sabotage the revolution took
diplomatic and economic forms. Under Reagan, violence was the method of
choice. For eight terribly long years, the people of Nicaragua were under
attack by Washington's proxy army, the Contras, formed from Somoza's vicious
National Guard and other supporters of the dictator.
It was all-out war, aiming to destroy the progressive social and economic
programs of the government, burning down schools and medical clinics,
raping, torturing, mining harbors, bombing and strafing. These were Ronald
Reagan's "freedom fighters." There would be no revolution in Nicaragua.
From a talk by John Stockwell, 13-year veteran of the CIA and former U.S.
Marine Corps major:
"Systematically, the Contras have been assassinating religious workers,
teachers, health workers, elected officials, government administrators.
Remember the 'Assassination Manual' that surfaced in 1984? It caused such a
stir that President Reagan had to address it himself in the presidential
debates with Walter Mondale. They use terror to traumatize society so that
it cannot function.
"I don't mean to abuse you with verbal violence, but you have to understand
what your Government and its agents are doing.
"They go into villages. They haul out families. With the children forced to
watch, they castrate the father. They peel the skin off his face. They put a
grenade in his mouth, and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch,
they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes, for
variety, they make the parents watch while they do these things to the
children.
"This is nobody's propaganda!
"There have been over a hundred thousand American 'Witnesses for Peace' who'
ve gone down there, and they have filmed and photographed and witnessed
these atrocities immediately after they've happened, and documented thirteen
thousand people killed this way - mostly women and children.
"These are the activities done by the Contras. The Contras are the people
President Reagan called 'freedom fighters.' He said: 'they are the moral
equivalent of our founding fathers.'"
1980 - PRESENT
AMERICAN TERRORISM OF THE EL SALVADORAN PEOPLE
Estimated civilian deaths: over 75,000 people
From Derailing Democracy: The America the Media Don't Want You to See
Massive amounts of arms, training and funding were poured into El Salvador
to prop up the puppet government against a popular uprising. Featured the
covert use of U.S. air power and ground forces, as well as the training, at
the "School of the Americas" [in Ft. Benning, Georgia], of the leaders of
the right-wing death squads which executed thousands of Salvadorans.
Some of the highlights of the death squad activities included the
assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero, the execution of six Jesuit
priests along with their housekeeper and her daughter, the rape and
execution of four American church women, and the mass execution of some 800
civilians at the village of El Mozote.
From Killing Hope:
El Salvador's dissidents tried to work within the system. But with U.S.
support, the government made that impossible, using repeated electoral fraud
and murdering hundreds of protesters and strikers. In 1980, the dissidents
took to the gun, and civil war.
Officially, the U.S. military presence in El Salvador was limited to an
advisory capacity. In actuality, military and CIA personnel played a more
active role on a continuous basis. About 20 Americans were killed or wounded
in helicopter and plane crashes while flying reconnaissance or other
missions over combat areas, and considerable evidence surfaced of a U.S.
role in the ground fighting as well. The war came to an official end in
1992; 75,000 civilian deaths and the U.S. Treasury depleted by six billion
dollars.
Meaningful social change has been largely thwarted. A handful of the wealthy
still own the country, the poor remain as ever, and dissidents still have to
fear right-wing death squads.
1987 - 1994
AMERICAN-SUPPORTED STATE TERRORISM OF THE HAITIAN PEOPLE
The U.S. supported the Duvalier family dictatorship for 30 years, then
opposed the reformist priest, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Meanwhile, the CIA was
working intimately with death squads, torturers, and drug traffickers.
With this as background, the Clinton White House found itself in the awkward
position of having to pretend - because of all their rhetoric about
"democracy" - that they supported Aristide's return to power in Haiti after
he had been ousted in a 1991 military coup. After delaying his return for
more than two years, Washington finally had its military restore Aristide to
office, but only after obliging the priest to guarantee that he would not
help the poor at the expense of the rich, and that he would stick closely to
free-market economics. This meant that Haiti would continue to be the
assembly plant of the Western Hemisphere, with its workers receiving
literally starvation wages.
1979 - 1984
AMERICAN SUBVERSION AND INVASION OF TINY GRENADA
Estimated civilian deaths: several hundred people
How impoverished, small, weak or far away must a country be before it is not
a threat to the U.S. government? In a 1979 coup, Maurice Bishop and his
followers had taken power in this island country of 110 thousand, and though
their actual policies were not as revolutionary as Castro's, Washington was
again driven by its fear of "another Cuba," particularly when public
appearances by the Grenadian leaders in other countries of the region met
with great enthusiasm.
Reagan administration destabilization tactics against the Bishop government
began soon after the coup, featuring outrageous disinformation and
deception. Finally came the invasion in October 1983, which put into power
individuals more beholden to U.S. foreign policy objectives. The U.S.
suffered 135 killed or wounded; there were also some 400 Grenadian
casualties, and 84 Cubans, mainly construction workers. The invasion was
attended by yet more transparent lies, created by Washington to justify its
gross violations of international law.
(Added note: This invasion was not attended, however, by newsreporters. The
1983 invasion of Grenada was the first major American military assault in
which newsreporters were barred from being present. The U.S. government didn
't want the world to witness the great superpower beating up on a tiny
island and murdering its civilian inhabitants.)
From What Uncle Sam Really Wants
by Noam Chomsky:
No country is exempt from this treatment [i.e. American state terrorism], no
matter how unimportant. In fact, it's the weakest, poorest countries that
often arouse the greatest hysteria.
Grenada has a hundred thousand people who produce a little nutmeg, and you
could hardly find it on a map. But when Grenada began to undergo a mild
social revolution, Washington quickly moved to destroy the threat.
There's a reason for that. The weaker and poorer a country is, the more
dangerous it is as an example. If a tiny, poor country like Grenada can
succeed in bringing about a better life for its people, some other place
that has more resources will ask, "why not us?"
From Killing Hope
by William Blum:
At the end of 1984, a questionable election was held which was won by a man
supported by the Reagan administration. One year later, the human rights
organization, Council on Hemispheric Affairs, reported that Grenada's new
U.S.-trained police force and counter-insurgency forces had acquired a
reputation for brutality, arbitrary arrest, and abuse of authority, and were
eroding civil rights.
In April 1989, the government issued a list of more than 80 books which were
prohibited from being imported. Four months later, the prime minister
suspended parliament to forestall a threatened no-confidence vote resulting
from what his critics called "an increasingly authoritarian style."
1989
AMERICAN INVASION OF PANAMA
Estimated civilian deaths: several thousand people
Less than two weeks after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the United States
showed its joy that a new era of world peace was now possible by invading
Panama, as Washington's mad bombers struck again. On December 20, 1989, a
large tenement barrio in Panama City was wiped out; 15,000 people were left
homeless. Counting several days of ground fighting between U.S. and
Panamanian forces, 500-something natives dead was the official body count -
i.e., what the United States and the new U.S.-installed Panamanian
government admitted to. Other sources, examining more evidence, concluded
that thousands had died. Additionally, some 3,000 Panamanians were wounded,
23 Americans died, 324 were wounded.
Question from reporter: "Was it really worth it to send people to their
death for this? To get Noriega?"
George Bush: "Every human life is precious, and yet I have to answer, yes,
it has been worth it."
Manuel Noriega had been an American ally and informant for years until he
outlived his usefulness. But getting him was hardly a major motive for the
attack. Bush wanted to send a clear message to the people of Nicaragua, who
had an election scheduled in two months, that this might be their fate if
they reelected the Sandinistas. Bush also wanted to flex some military
muscle to illustrate to Congress the need for a large combat-ready force
even after the very recent dissolution of the "Soviet threat." The official
explanation for the American ouster was Noriega's drug trafficking, which
Washington had known about for years and had not been at all bothered by.
And they could easily have gotten their hands on the man without wreaking
such terrible devastation upon the Panamanian people.
1991 - PRESENT
AMERICAN/BRITISH STATE TERRORISM OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE
Estimated total civilian deaths: at least 200,000 people directly from the
1991 terror campaign;
1,000,000 - 2,000,000 people since then from the combined effects of
depleted uranium poisoning, polluted water and sanctions
Like the terrorization of the entire civilian population of Yugoslavia, the
so-called Gulf "War" was in fact a cowardly, high-tech slaughter, a total
mismatch of military power. 177 million pounds of bombs were dropped on the
people of Iraq in the most concentrated aerial bombardment in the history of
the world. Sadistic American forces even slaughtered retreating Iraqi
soldiers as they tried to flee along a highway back to Iraq.
And as with Yugoslavia, the "Desert Storm" terror campaign was directed
primarily against the civilian population, a genocidal six-week assault on
all the civilian people and infrastructure of Iraq. Particularly targeted
were every grain silo and public water-treatment plant in the country. The
assault included the most extensive use in history of depleted uranium
missiles, and the most intensive use of cluster bombs, fuel-air bombs,
napalm, cruise missiles and so-called "smart bombs".
The Dutch Laka Foundation estimates that this particular U.S. terror
campaign left behind 300-800 tons of radioactive waste from the depleted
uranium ammunition all over Kuwait and Iraq - poisoning the air, the land,
the water and the people everywhere.
Afterwards, wherever the depleted uranium firing had been concentrated,
there were cancer epidemics among Iraqi civilians living nearby. In the ten
years since, sanctions, bacteria-laden water and depleted uranium together
have killed somewhere between 1,000,000 and 2,000,000 Iraqi civilians. Most
of the victims were, and are, children.
Since the American terror campaign, thousands of Iraqi babies have been born
with horrible birth defects. This is something that has never before been
seen in Iraq.
More than 120,000 American Gulf War veterans are chronically ill - suffering
from Gulf War Syndrome. A U.S. Department of Veterans study of 251 veterans'
families found that 67% had children with severe illnesses or birth defects.
Even the United Nations estimates that over one million Iraqi civilians,
including 600,000 children below the age of five have died as a result of
diseases from polluted water - and the American sanctions which deny them
the needed medicines.
1992 - PRESENT
AMERICAN/NATO STATE TERRORISM AND SUBVERSION OF THE YUGOSLAVIAN PEOPLES
Estimated civilian deaths: over 3000 people from the 1999 terror-bombing
Weapons of mass-destruction used by U.S.-dominated NATO forces included
cluster bombs, depleted uranium missiles, fuel-air bombs, napalm, cruise
missiles and other so-called "smart bombs".
250,000 people were killed during the U.S./German-sponsored civil war in
Bosnia of 1992-1995, and in Krajina, 1995.
Estimated civilian injuries: 9000+ people from the 1999 American terror
campaign alone. Many people, including children, dismembered and crippled
for life by cluster bombs.
In addition, over 1 million people who now live in Serbia-Yugoslavia are
refugees from Krajina, Bosnia and Kosovo - victims of the
U.S./German-sponsored terror campaigns of the 1990s.
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