Religions > Atheism > ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! **
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16 Jun 2007 12:24:20 AM |
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** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** |
Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not returned
safe and well.
Gerry and Kate McCann have relied heavily on prayer to help them
survive the ordeal of Madeleine's disappearance which has now moved into a
sixth week.
They have visited Portugal's holy shrine at Fatima and met the Pope in
Rome. But Mr McCann said yesterday the prospect of the four-year-old not
coming home would stretch their belief.
In an interview with The Tablet, a Catholic newspaper, Mr McCann said:
"If we don't get Madeleine back alive and well, I am sure our faith will be
severely tested. At the end of it, we will still have our faith and we will
also have comfort that Madeleine will be looked after."
Mrs McCann added: "I have felt guilty asking, 'Will this make or break
my faith?' You could argue that what happened in the first place could make
or break your faith and it hasn't. It's done the opposite. It has given us
hope and strength."
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Mr McCann also told of an "extraordinary experience" inside the church
in Praia da Luz within days of Madeleine's disappearance which inspired him
to launch the global campaign to find his daughter.
He said: "I had this mental image of being in a tunnel and instead of
the light at the end of the tunnel being extremely narrow and a distant
spot, the light opened up and the tunnel got wider and wider and went in
many different directions.
"I can't say it was a vision because I am not clear what a vision is
but I had a mental image and it certainly helped me decide. I became a man
possessed that night. The next day I was up at dawn, making phone calls."
Yesterday police ruled out claims that Madeleine was buried in
scrubland nine miles from where she was abducted.
A letter and two maps had been sent to the Dutch newspaper De
Telegraaf claiming to pinpoint the area where the child was buried "under
branches and rocks".
Yesterday around 30 beat officers and four sniffer dogs moved into the
hamlet of Canafechal, near Odiaxere, in southern Portugal. They were
accompanied by 20 detectives from the Judicial Police.
The search was called off shortly after 9.30am.
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21 Jun 2007 04:50:53 PM |
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In article <WLedneYkOtrWXufbnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@comcast.com>,
Sippuddin <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote:
"Doesn't prove it's false." That's just theists trying their same old
lame old argument from lack of disproof. See #109 at
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
That is just Septic's argument from his own ignorance that those who do
not believe gods completely impossible really believe some gods actual.
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| User: "Martin" |
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16 Jun 2007 02:53:21 PM |
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Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:24:51 +0100, Tom
<tom@privacy.com> wrote:
The argument is about two possibilities that Madeleine may exist in,
either a reality A which she is dead, or in a reality B that she is
alive. You have made a statement that the reality A exists, but you do
not know that, there is no proof that reality A exists, just as there is
no proof that reality B exists. One thing is for sure, both reality A
and B are possible, that is the wonder of quantum physics.
You're trying to explain an elementary physics concept to a
guy who can't learn. And given my vast ignorance of physics, the
concept is elementary, since I understand it perfectly well.
Prayer is using energy to influence an outcome in favour of reality B,
however small the influence prayer has on the realities it is affecting
outcomes.
Years ago I heard on Coast to Coast AM about a study that was
being done about prayer and healing. I wasn't paying close attention,
so I don't recall what findings, if any, came about.
It makes the outcome worse for heart patients if they know they are
being prayed for!
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| User: "Kent Wills" |
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16 Jun 2007 03:51:18 PM |
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As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:53:21 +0100, Martin
<usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
Prayer is using energy to influence an outcome in favour of reality B,
however small the influence prayer has on the realities it is affecting
outcomes.
Years ago I heard on Coast to Coast AM about a study that was
being done about prayer and healing. I wasn't paying close attention,
so I don't recall what findings, if any, came about.
It makes the outcome worse for heart patients if they know they are
being prayed for!
It could be. I wasn't paying attention (C2C was typically on
for background noise only), so I don't know the outcome.
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Kent
Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
I poked a badger with a spoon.
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| User: "" |
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16 Jun 2007 11:53:05 AM |
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On Jun 16, 9:24 am, Tom <t...@privacy.com> wrote:
=A5 UltraMan =A5 wrote:
Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:28:07 -0600, "=A5 UltraMan =
=A5"
<u...@man.jp> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum
physics that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of
events. In other words for a given event there are a thousand and
more outcomes that already exist, that one of those possibilities
can be brought into the material world we exist in if there is
enough energy to attract it.
Complete *****!
Not so. There is such a theory. It's yet to be fully
supported, but there is such a theory.
More ***** from the imbecile Kent.
The possibility that Madeleine is dead exists alongside
the possibility that Madeleine is alive, both are as possible as
each other.
More *****. The probability that she is dead is far greater at
this point.
Schr=F6dinger's cat. It's a very simple concept in quantum
mechanics. I would have thought even you would understand it.
It doesn't apply beyond the quantum level, moron. And even if Madeleine
was a quantum particle, the fact that people are actively looking for
her would collapse the paradox, you stammering ignoramus.
The argument is about two possibilities that Madeleine may exist in,
either a reality A which she is dead, or in a reality B that she is
alive.
Actually, you've got that so wrong. There are not two realities
currently. There is only one. Do you have any evidence to support your
assertion? I think not.
There is only one reality. If she is dead, then she is dead. If she is
alive, then she is alive. Just because her lifeless body hasn't been
found does not mean that she can't be dead.
This isn't a physics "thought problem," like S's cat, yet you try to
make it one. Were you aware that S's cat was a thought problem? Do you
even know what a thought problem is? Or do you only spout nonsense?
Nice try but it's fairly obvious you don't even remotely understand
quantum theory. I have an MS physics and I barely understand it, my
friends with MS and PhD physics also have trouble with understanding
it, so then you are obviously so far removed from any sort of
knowledge it isn't funny. I think you've got that "new age" quantum
***** running through your head.
You have made a statement that the reality A exists, but you do
not know that, there is no proof that reality A exists, just as there is
no proof that reality B exists.
Again, there are not two realities. Only one. This isn't a case of
quantum mechanics. Why don't you actually try to learn about it? Study
it for 10 years or so, read every book available on it, take a load of
QM classes, and then come back.
One thing is for sure, both reality A
and B are possible, that is the wonder of quantum physics.
Yeah, right. Your knowledge of quantum mechanics is sorely lacking. If
I told one of my physics professors this load of crap, he'd beat me
with deBroglie's paper to within an inch of my life.
Have any papers you'd care to show that support your bald assertion?
Nope, that's cause there aren't any.
Prayer is using energy to influence an outcome in favour of reality B,
however small the influence prayer has on the realities it is affecting
outcomes.
So what if she's already dead and A has happened? Will that cause her
to raise from the dead and cause B to happen?
Prayer and quantum mechanics are mutually exclusive. Please provide
scientific papers to support your wild assertion. You can't because
they don't exist.
/BC
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| User: "judith" |
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16 Jun 2007 12:39:01 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:24:51 +0100, Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote:
¥ UltraMan ¥ wrote:
Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:28:07 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum
physics that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of
events. In other words for a given event there are a thousand and
more outcomes that already exist, that one of those possibilities
can be brought into the material world we exist in if there is
enough energy to attract it.
Complete *****!
Not so. There is such a theory. It's yet to be fully
supported, but there is such a theory.
More ***** from the imbecile Kent.
The possibility that Madeleine is dead exists alongside
the possibility that Madeleine is alive, both are as possible as
each other.
More *****. The probability that she is dead is far greater at
this point.
Schrödinger's cat. It's a very simple concept in quantum
mechanics. I would have thought even you would understand it.
It doesn't apply beyond the quantum level, moron. And even if Madeleine
was a quantum particle, the fact that people are actively looking for
her would collapse the paradox, you stammering ignoramus.
The argument is about two possibilities that Madeleine may exist in,
either a reality A which she is dead, or in a reality B that she is
alive. You have made a statement that the reality A exists, but you do
not know that, there is no proof that reality A exists, just as there is
no proof that reality B exists. One thing is for sure, both reality A
and B are possible, that is the wonder of quantum physics.
Prayer is using energy to influence an outcome in favour of reality B,
however small the influence prayer has on the realities it is affecting
outcomes.
Have you considered seeking treatment?
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| User: "Deadrat" |
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16 Jun 2007 12:57:11 PM |
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Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in
news:46740f1a$0$14030$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com:
¥ UltraMan ¥ wrote:
Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:28:07 -0600, "¥ UltraMan
¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum
physics that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of
events. In other words for a given event there are a thousand and
more outcomes that already exist, that one of those possibilities
can be brought into the material world we exist in if there is
enough energy to attract it.
Complete *****!
Not so. There is such a theory. It's yet to be fully
supported, but there is such a theory.
More ***** from the imbecile Kent.
The possibility that Madeleine is dead exists alongside
the possibility that Madeleine is alive, both are as possible as
each other.
More *****. The probability that she is dead is far greater at
this point.
Schrödinger's cat. It's a very simple concept in quantum
mechanics. I would have thought even you would understand it.
It doesn't apply beyond the quantum level, moron. And even if
Madeleine was a quantum particle, the fact that people are actively
looking for her would collapse the paradox, you stammering ignoramus.
The argument is about two possibilities that Madeleine may exist in,
either a reality A which she is dead, or in a reality B that she is
alive. You have made a statement that the reality A exists, but you do
not know that, there is no proof that reality A exists, just as there
is no proof that reality B exists. One thing is for sure, both reality
A and B are possible, that is the wonder of quantum physics.
You are confusing quantum superposition and the fact that you just don't
know whether Madeleine is alive or not.
Prayer is using energy to influence an outcome in favour of reality B,
however small the influence prayer has on the realities it is
affecting outcomes.
There is no evidence that prayer has any influence on events, let alone
favors different realities. Feel free to demonstrate the mathematics of
the influence of prayer, though.
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| User: "Martin" |
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16 Jun 2007 02:50:43 PM |
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Tom wrote:
The argument is about two possibilities that Madeleine may exist in,
either a reality A which she is dead, or in a reality B that she is
alive. You have made a statement that the reality A exists, but you do
not know that, there is no proof that reality A exists, just as there is
no proof that reality B exists. One thing is for sure, both reality A
and B are possible, that is the wonder of quantum physics.
Can you post the field equations please? Either that or you're
bullshitting yourself.
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| User: "¥ UltraMan ¥" |
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16 Jun 2007 03:21:23 PM |
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Tom wrote:
¥ UltraMan ¥ wrote:
Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:28:07 -0600, "¥ UltraMan
¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum
physics that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of
events. In other words for a given event there are a thousand and
more outcomes that already exist, that one of those possibilities
can be brought into the material world we exist in if there is
enough energy to attract it.
Complete *****!
Not so. There is such a theory. It's yet to be fully
supported, but there is such a theory.
More ***** from the imbecile Kent.
The possibility that Madeleine is dead exists alongside
the possibility that Madeleine is alive, both are as possible as
each other.
More *****. The probability that she is dead is far greater at
this point.
Schrödinger's cat. It's a very simple concept in quantum
mechanics. I would have thought even you would understand it.
It doesn't apply beyond the quantum level, moron. And even if
Madeleine was a quantum particle, the fact that people are actively
looking for her would collapse the paradox, you stammering ignoramus.
The argument is about two possibilities that Madeleine may exist in,
either a reality A which she is dead, or in a reality B that she is
alive. You have made a statement that the reality A exists, but you do
not know that, there is no proof that reality A exists, just as there
is no proof that reality B exists. One thing is for sure, both
reality A and B are possible, that is the wonder of quantum physics.
You stammering imbecile.
Prayer is using energy to influence an outcome in favour of reality B,
however small the influence prayer has on the realities it is
affecting outcomes.
Complete *****.
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| User: "judith" |
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16 Jun 2007 10:53:48 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:08:32 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:28:07 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events. In
other words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes
that already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought
into the material world we exist in if there is enough energy to
attract it.
Complete *****!
Not so. There is such a theory. It's yet to be fully
supported, but there is such a theory.
Please point us at a scientific discussion/article on this matter. No
need to bother if it's just religious quackery.
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| User: "Tom" |
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16 Jun 2007 11:46:01 AM |
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judith wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:08:32 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:28:07 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events. In
other words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes
that already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought
into the material world we exist in if there is enough energy to
attract it.
Complete *****!
Not so. There is such a theory. It's yet to be fully
supported, but there is such a theory.
Please point us at a scientific discussion/article on this matter. No
need to bother if it's just religious quackery.
Simple journalist approach:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/bernie/honk/looklike.htm
More indepth:
http://library.thinkquest.org/3487/qp.html
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| User: "judith" |
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16 Jun 2007 12:42:56 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:46:01 +0100, Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote:
judith wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:08:32 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:28:07 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events. In
other words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes
that already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought
into the material world we exist in if there is enough energy to
attract it.
Complete *****!
Not so. There is such a theory. It's yet to be fully
supported, but there is such a theory.
Please point us at a scientific discussion/article on this matter. No
need to bother if it's just religious quackery.
Simple journalist approach:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/bernie/honk/looklike.htm
More indepth:
http://library.thinkquest.org/3487/qp.html
I am sorry you misunderstood - I was looking for some scientific
information on " there is a scientific theory in quantum physics that
suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events."
Do you have anything on that please?
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| User: "Joe Lee invalid@noaddress" |
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18 Jun 2007 10:28:03 PM |
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"judith" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:46:01 +0100, Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote:
judith wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:08:32 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:28:07 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum
physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events. In
other words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes
that already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought
into the material world we exist in if there is enough energy to
attract it.
Complete *****!
Not so. There is such a theory. It's yet to be fully
supported, but there is such a theory.
Please point us at a scientific discussion/article on this matter. No
need to bother if it's just religious quackery.
Simple journalist approach:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/bernie/honk/looklike.htm
More indepth:
http://library.thinkquest.org/3487/qp.html
I am sorry you misunderstood - I was looking for some scientific
information on " there is a scientific theory in quantum physics that
suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events."
Do you have anything on that please?
Maybe there is a theory in quantum physics that suggests that prayer can
influence the outcome of events but it seems they're all too busy massaging
their quantum ego's rather than give you an answer !!
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Joe Lee
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| User: "Deadrat" |
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18 Jun 2007 11:09:42 PM |
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"Joe Lee" <invalid@noaddress> wrote in
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"judith" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:46:01 +0100, Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote:
judith wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:08:32 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:28:07 -0600, "¥
UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum
physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events.
In other words for a given event there are a thousand and more
outcomes that already exist, that one of those possibilities can
be brought into the material world we exist in if there is
enough energy to attract it.
Complete *****!
Not so. There is such a theory. It's yet to be fully
supported, but there is such a theory.
Please point us at a scientific discussion/article on this matter.
No need to bother if it's just religious quackery.
Simple journalist approach:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/bernie/honk/looklike.htm
More indepth:
http://library.thinkquest.org/3487/qp.html
I am sorry you misunderstood - I was looking for some scientific
information on " there is a scientific theory in quantum physics that
suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events."
Do you have anything on that please?
Maybe there is a theory in quantum physics that suggests that prayer
can influence the outcome of events but it seems they're all too busy
massaging their quantum ego's rather than give you an answer !!
Here's the answer: there isn't such a "theory in quantum physics."
You obviously mean for "quantum ego" to be an insult implying that
"they" have (too) large egos. But quantum merely means that a property
comes in discrete units, all of which in QM are extremely small by the
standards of our everyday experience.
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| User: "Joe Lee invalid@noaddress" |
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19 Jun 2007 04:43:55 PM |
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"Deadrat" <a@b.com> wrote in message
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"Joe Lee" <invalid@noaddress> wrote in
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"judith" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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I am sorry you misunderstood - I was looking for some scientific
information on " there is a scientific theory in quantum physics that
suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events."
Do you have anything on that please?
Maybe there is a theory in quantum physics that suggests that prayer
can influence the outcome of events but it seems they're all too busy
massaging their quantum ego's rather than give you an answer !!
Here's the answer: there isn't such a "theory in quantum physics."
You obviously mean for "quantum ego" to be an insult implying that
"they" have (too) large egos. But quantum merely means that a property
comes in discrete units, all of which in QM are extremely small by the
standards of our everyday experience.
Amply demonstrated when Sinclair badged their new machine the 'QL', back in
the 80's - having the opposite meaning to that which they had intended to
convey.
So any insult perceived can only be in the eye of the beholder :)
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Joe Lee
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| User: "Deadrat" |
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16 Jun 2007 01:09:55 PM |
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Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in
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judith wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:08:32 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:28:07 -0600, "¥ UltraMan
¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum
physics that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of
events. In other words for a given event there are a thousand and
more outcomes that already exist, that one of those possibilities
can be brought into the material world we exist in if there is
enough energy to attract it.
Complete *****!
Not so. There is such a theory. It's yet to be fully
supported, but there is such a theory.
Please point us at a scientific discussion/article on this matter.
No need to bother if it's just religious quackery.
Simple journalist approach:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/bernie/honk/looklike.htm
Conclusion from this article: "God's a dog lover, ...."
No help for your silly ideas there.
More indepth:
http://library.thinkquest.org/3487/qp.html
Conclusion from this article: "The atomic world is _nothing_ like the
world we live in."
And yet you claim otherwise in the case of Madeleine.
Do you even read the sources you quote?
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| User: "Gareth" |
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16 Jun 2007 01:08:55 PM |
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Tom wrote:
judith wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:08:32 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:28:07 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events. In
other words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes
that already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought
into the material world we exist in if there is enough energy to
attract it.
Complete *****!
Not so. There is such a theory. It's yet to be fully
supported, but there is such a theory.
Please point us at a scientific discussion/article on this matter. No
need to bother if it's just religious quackery.
Simple journalist approach:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/bernie/honk/looklike.htm
More indepth:
http://library.thinkquest.org/3487/qp.html
I don't think anyone in this thread was saying that quantum mechanics
doesn't exist. The disagreement (as I read it anyway) was about whether
there is a theory in quantum mechanics which says prayer can influence
events. Neither of these articles mention prayer.
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Tom wrote:
Uno-Hoo! wrote:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
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Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not
returned safe and well.
There must be millions of committed theists around the world praying
for the safe return of Madeleine and what is the result? Zilch. What
do these deluded fools *need* in order to convince them that there *IS
NO GOD* !!
Of course, if she turns up in a week or so's time then it will be a
case of; "God has answered our prayers." Idiots.
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events.
Is there? There is some research here which suggests otherwise:
"Praying for someone might give you hope, but it won't help them recover
from heart surgery. It may even harm them. That's the surprising result
from a multi-year clinical trial on the therapeutic effects of prayer."
from:
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19025463.200-prayers-found-ineffective-in-speeding-recovery.html
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16 Jun 2007 09:31:20 AM |
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Tom wrote:
You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of
prayer has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum physics.
Yet still the JREF prize goes unclaimed!
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17 Jun 2007 08:26:20 AM |
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"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
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Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
It's a pity they didn't consider that before abandoning her to go off for a
good time with their friends.
They should have their other children taken from them and put into care.
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"Alan Holmes" <alan_holmes@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
It's a pity they didn't consider that before abandoning her to go off for
a good time with their friends.
They should have their other children taken from them and put into care.
I agree. Leaving children of that age at home alone is a criminal offence in
the UK.
Uno-Hoo!
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21 Jun 2007 11:29:36 PM |
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"¥ UltraMan ¥" wrote:
Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not returned
safe and well.
Facists never learn!
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16 Jun 2007 05:21:10 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:24:20 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp>
wrote:
Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not returned
safe and well.
We can all stop worrying - the Daily Express say the McCanns believe
she is still alive.
Well, that's a weight of my mind for one.
I don't think their faith should be tested - if she has been snatched
by a pervert who has done awful things to her, then they need to
realise that it will have been the will of God who has approved and
overseen the activities.
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| User: "Tom" |
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16 Jun 2007 05:38:29 AM |
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judith wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:24:20 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp>
wrote:
Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not returned
safe and well.
We can all stop worrying - the Daily Express say the McCanns believe
she is still alive.
Well, that's a weight of my mind for one.
I don't think their faith should be tested - if she has been snatched
by a pervert who has done awful things to her, then they need to
realise that it will have been the will of God who has approved and
overseen the activities.
I think it is the McCanns who say they believe their daughter is still
alive, the newspapers such as the Daily Express, just report the parents
belief. In practice, it is possible that their daughter is still alive,
as parents have a sixth sense if their children are alive or dead, the
McCanns do not sense the death of their daughter, this may be just false
hope, then again I do not discount the truth of parental sixth sense.
I think many in the world hope there will be a happy ending, the
daughter reunited alive with her parents.
The subject of Gods Will is an interesting one, I cannot believe that
God would "approve" or "oversee" the harm of a child, but also I do
understand that everything that will happen has already been set in
place. I would be interested to hear from religious minds an explanation
for this paradox.
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16 Jun 2007 09:06:04 AM |
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"Tom" <tom@privacy.com> wrote in message
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judith wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:24:20 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp>
wrote:
Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not
returned safe and well.
We can all stop worrying - the Daily Express say the McCanns believe
she is still alive.
Well, that's a weight of my mind for one.
I don't think their faith should be tested - if she has been snatched
by a pervert who has done awful things to her, then they need to
realise that it will have been the will of God who has approved and
overseen the activities.
I think it is the McCanns who say they believe their daughter is still
alive, the newspapers such as the Daily Express, just report the parents
belief. In practice, it is possible that their daughter is still alive, as
parents have a sixth sense if their children are alive or dead, the
McCanns do not sense the death of their daughter, this may be just false
hope, then again I do not discount the truth of parental sixth sense.
I think many in the world hope there will be a happy ending, the daughter
reunited alive with her parents.
The subject of Gods Will is an interesting one, I cannot believe that God
would "approve" or "oversee" the harm of a child, but also I do understand
that everything that will happen has already been set in place. I would be
interested to hear from religious minds an explanation for this paradox.
George H. Smith (from his book: "Atheism - The Case Against God")
If God does not know there is evil, he is not omniscient. If God knows
there is evil but cannot prevent it, he is not omnipotent. If God knows
there is evel and can prevent it but desires not to, he is not
omnibenevolent. If, as the Christian claims, God is all-knowing and
all-powerful, we must conclude that God is not all-good. The existence of
evil in the universe excludes this possibility.
Uno-Hoo!
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16 Jun 2007 09:07:57 AM |
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Uno-Hoo! (Uno-Hoo@NOSPAMbigfootdotcom) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :
George H. Smith (from his book: "Atheism - The Case Against God")
If God does not know there is evil, he is not omniscient. If God
knows there is evil but cannot prevent it, he is not omnipotent. If
God knows there is evel and can prevent it but desires not to, he is
not omnibenevolent. If, as the Christian claims, God is all-knowing
and all-powerful, we must conclude that God is not all-good. The
existence of evil in the universe excludes this possibility.
Uno-Hoo!
Have to admit, Kev, I had you down as being the proud possessor of a fish
sticker on the back of the caravan...
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16 Jun 2007 10:03:04 AM |
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"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns995199F19596Badrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.245.131...
Uno-Hoo! (Uno-Hoo@NOSPAMbigfootdotcom) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :
George H. Smith (from his book: "Atheism - The Case Against God")
If God does not know there is evil, he is not omniscient. If God
knows there is evil but cannot prevent it, he is not omnipotent. If
God knows there is evel and can prevent it but desires not to, he is
not omnibenevolent. If, as the Christian claims, God is all-knowing
and all-powerful, we must conclude that God is not all-good. The
existence of evil in the universe excludes this possibility.
Uno-Hoo!
Have to admit, Kev, I had you down as being the proud possessor of a fish
sticker on the back of the caravan...
Nope - I'm a militant atheist. I believe half the problems in our world
today stem from theism.
Uno-Hoo!
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17 Jun 2007 08:33:06 AM |
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"Uno-Hoo!" <Uno-Hoo@NOSPAMbigfootdotcom> wrote in message
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"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns995199F19596Badrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.245.131...
Uno-Hoo! (Uno-Hoo@NOSPAMbigfootdotcom) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :
George H. Smith (from his book: "Atheism - The Case Against God")
If God does not know there is evil, he is not omniscient. If God
knows there is evil but cannot prevent it, he is not omnipotent. If
God knows there is evel and can prevent it but desires not to, he is
not omnibenevolent. If, as the Christian claims, God is all-knowing
and all-powerful, we must conclude that God is not all-good. The
existence of evil in the universe excludes this possibility.
Uno-Hoo!
Have to admit, Kev, I had you down as being the proud possessor of a fish
sticker on the back of the caravan...
Nope - I'm a militant atheist. I believe half the problems in our world
today stem from theism.
I would put it as at least 99%
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16 Jun 2007 10:05:43 AM |
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Uno-Hoo! wrote:
"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns995199F19596Badrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.245.131...
Uno-Hoo! (Uno-Hoo@NOSPAMbigfootdotcom) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :
George H. Smith (from his book: "Atheism - The Case Against God")
If God does not know there is evil, he is not omniscient. If God
knows there is evil but cannot prevent it, he is not omnipotent. If
God knows there is evel and can prevent it but desires not to, he is
not omnibenevolent. If, as the Christian claims, God is all-knowing
and all-powerful, we must conclude that God is not all-good. The
existence of evil in the universe excludes this possibility.
Uno-Hoo!
Have to admit, Kev, I had you down as being the proud possessor of a
fish sticker on the back of the caravan...
Nope - I'm a militant atheist. I believe half the problems in our
world today stem from theism.
And the other half stem from morons ignorant enough to believe in theism ...
Uno-Hoo!
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| User: "Martin" |
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17 Jun 2007 08:54:09 AM |
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Adrian wrote:
Uno-Hoo! (Uno-Hoo@NOSPAMbigfootdotcom) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :
George H. Smith (from his book: "Atheism - The Case Against God")
If God does not know there is evil, he is not omniscient. If God
knows there is evil but cannot prevent it, he is not omnipotent. If
God knows there is evel and can prevent it but desires not to, he is
not omnibenevolent. If, as the Christian claims, God is all-knowing
and all-powerful, we must conclude that God is not all-good. The
existence of evil in the universe excludes this possibility.
Uno-Hoo!
Have to admit, Kev, I had you down as being the proud possessor of a fish
sticker on the back of the caravan...
I would have agreed with you too. I'm suprised.
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| User: "Uno-Hoo! Uno-Hoo@NOSPAMbigfootdotcom" |
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17 Jun 2007 09:35:33 AM |
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"Martin" <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
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Adrian wrote:
Uno-Hoo! (Uno-Hoo@NOSPAMbigfootdotcom) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :
George H. Smith (from his book: "Atheism - The Case Against God")
If God does not know there is evil, he is not omniscient. If God
knows there is evil but cannot prevent it, he is not omnipotent. If
God knows there is evel and can prevent it but desires not to, he is
not omnibenevolent. If, as the Christian claims, God is all-knowing
and all-powerful, we must conclude that God is not all-good. The
existence of evil in the universe excludes this possibility.
Uno-Hoo!
Have to admit, Kev, I had you down as being the proud possessor of a fish
sticker on the back of the caravan...
I would have agreed with you too. I'm suprised.
Well there you go, you see - you should be careful about making assumptions
!
Uno-Hoo!
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