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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "¥ UltraMan ¥"
Date: 16 Jun 2007 12:24:20 AM
Object: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! **
Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not returned
safe and well.
Gerry and Kate McCann have relied heavily on prayer to help them
survive the ordeal of Madeleine's disappearance which has now moved into a
sixth week.
They have visited Portugal's holy shrine at Fatima and met the Pope in
Rome. But Mr McCann said yesterday the prospect of the four-year-old not
coming home would stretch their belief.
In an interview with The Tablet, a Catholic newspaper, Mr McCann said:
"If we don't get Madeleine back alive and well, I am sure our faith will be
severely tested. At the end of it, we will still have our faith and we will
also have comfort that Madeleine will be looked after."
Mrs McCann added: "I have felt guilty asking, 'Will this make or break
my faith?' You could argue that what happened in the first place could make
or break your faith and it hasn't. It's done the opposite. It has given us
hope and strength."
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Mr McCann also told of an "extraordinary experience" inside the church
in Praia da Luz within days of Madeleine's disappearance which inspired him
to launch the global campaign to find his daughter.
He said: "I had this mental image of being in a tunnel and instead of
the light at the end of the tunnel being extremely narrow and a distant
spot, the light opened up and the tunnel got wider and wider and went in
many different directions.
"I can't say it was a vision because I am not clear what a vision is
but I had a mental image and it certainly helped me decide. I became a man
possessed that night. The next day I was up at dawn, making phone calls."
Yesterday police ruled out claims that Madeleine was buried in
scrubland nine miles from where she was abducted.
A letter and two maps had been sent to the Dutch newspaper De
Telegraaf claiming to pinpoint the area where the child was buried "under
branches and rocks".
Yesterday around 30 beat officers and four sniffer dogs moved into the
hamlet of Canafechal, near Odiaxere, in southern Portugal. They were
accompanied by 20 detectives from the Judicial Police.
The search was called off shortly after 9.30am.
.

User: "judith"

Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** 17 Jun 2007 10:41:19 AM
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:42:16 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
<alan_holmes@nowhere.com> wrote:


"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:dmv873dmrngt815ferg0ot82hc54bs0lsp@4ax.com...

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:32:54 +0100, Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote:

Or that God created all the possibilities, good and evil, and it is down
to man to decide which path he wishes to take.


Since he knows all, he'd already know which path man would take, so
it's back to "his will".


And (s)he knows where Maddy is, but is far too evil and cruel to let anyone
know, especially the parents!

I'm not sure you're right - where are the clairvoyants getting their
info from?
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** 17 Jun 2007 08:44:39 PM
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 16:41:19 +0100, judith <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:42:16 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
<alan_holmes@nowhere.com> wrote:

"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:dmv873dmrngt815ferg0ot82hc54bs0lsp@4ax.com...

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:32:54 +0100, Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote:

Or that God created all the possibilities, good and evil, and it is down
to man to decide which path he wishes to take.

Since he knows all, he'd already know which path man would take, so
it's back to "his will".

And (s)he knows where Maddy is, but is far too evil and cruel to let anyone
know, especially the parents!

I'm not sure you're right - where are the clairvoyants getting their
info from?

The same place all fiction comes from. Or is there some "real
clairvoyant" who just doesn't want to collect Randi's million dollars?
.


User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** 16 Jun 2007 07:21:32 PM
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:38:29 +0100, Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote:

I think it is the McCanns who say they believe their daughter is still
alive, the newspapers such as the Daily Express, just report the parents
belief. In practice, it is possible that their daughter is still alive,
as parents have a sixth sense if their children are alive or dead, the
McCanns do not sense the death of their daughter, this may be just false
hope, then again I do not discount the truth of parental sixth sense.

It's never actually been demonstrated. (Anecdotal "evidence" isn't
evidence.)

The subject of Gods Will is an interesting one, I cannot believe that
God would "approve" or "oversee" the harm of a child

Since all things are, according to Christianity, God's will, and since
children are harmed, children being harmed IS God's will.

I would be interested to hear from religious minds an explanation
for this paradox.

Explain it yourself. Only a Christian capitalizes every word having
to do with the Christian god.
.

User: "James Norris"

Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** 21 Jun 2007 02:32:33 AM
On Jun 16, 6:24?am, "? UltraMan ?" <u...@man.jp> wrote:

Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'

By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007

The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not returned
safe and well.

Gerry and Kate McCann have relied heavily on prayer to help them
survive the ordeal of Madeleine's disappearance which has now moved into a
sixth week.

They have visited Portugal's holy shrine at Fatima and met the Pope in
Rome. But Mr McCann said yesterday the prospect of the four-year-old not
coming home would stretch their belief.

In an interview with The Tablet, a Catholic newspaper, Mr McCann said:
"If we don't get Madeleine back alive and well, I am sure our faith will be
severely tested. At the end of it, we will still have our faith and we will
also have comfort that Madeleine will be looked after."

Mrs McCann added: "I have felt guilty asking, 'Will this make or break
my faith?' You could argue that what happened in the first place could make
or break your faith and it hasn't. It's done the opposite. It has given us
hope and strength."

advertisement
Mr McCann also told of an "extraordinary experience" inside the church
in Praia da Luz within days of Madeleine's disappearance which inspired him
to launch the global campaign to find his daughter.

He said: "I had this mental image of being in a tunnel and instead of
the light at the end of the tunnel being extremely narrow and a distant
spot, the light opened up and the tunnel got wider and wider and went in
many different directions.

"I can't say it was a vision because I am not clear what a vision is
but I had a mental image and it certainly helped me decide. I became a man
possessed that night. The next day I was up at dawn, making phone calls."

Yesterday police ruled out claims that Madeleine was buried in
scrubland nine miles from where she was abducted.

A letter and two maps had been sent to the Dutch newspaper De
Telegraaf claiming to pinpoint the area where the child was buried "under
branches and rocks".

Yesterday around 30 beat officers and four sniffer dogs moved into the
hamlet of Canafechal, near Odiaxere, in southern Portugal. They were
accompanied by 20 detectives from the Judicial Police.

The search was called off shortly after 9.30am.

I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
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