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Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not returned
safe and well.
Gerry and Kate McCann have relied heavily on prayer to help them
survive the ordeal of Madeleine's disappearance which has now moved into a
sixth week.
They have visited Portugal's holy shrine at Fatima and met the Pope in
Rome. But Mr McCann said yesterday the prospect of the four-year-old not
coming home would stretch their belief.
In an interview with The Tablet, a Catholic newspaper, Mr McCann said:
"If we don't get Madeleine back alive and well, I am sure our faith will be
severely tested. At the end of it, we will still have our faith and we will
also have comfort that Madeleine will be looked after."
Mrs McCann added: "I have felt guilty asking, 'Will this make or break
my faith?' You could argue that what happened in the first place could make
or break your faith and it hasn't. It's done the opposite. It has given us
hope and strength."
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Mr McCann also told of an "extraordinary experience" inside the church
in Praia da Luz within days of Madeleine's disappearance which inspired him
to launch the global campaign to find his daughter.
He said: "I had this mental image of being in a tunnel and instead of
the light at the end of the tunnel being extremely narrow and a distant
spot, the light opened up and the tunnel got wider and wider and went in
many different directions.
"I can't say it was a vision because I am not clear what a vision is
but I had a mental image and it certainly helped me decide. I became a man
possessed that night. The next day I was up at dawn, making phone calls."
Yesterday police ruled out claims that Madeleine was buried in
scrubland nine miles from where she was abducted.
A letter and two maps had been sent to the Dutch newspaper De
Telegraaf claiming to pinpoint the area where the child was buried "under
branches and rocks".
Yesterday around 30 beat officers and four sniffer dogs moved into the
hamlet of Canafechal, near Odiaxere, in southern Portugal. They were
accompanied by 20 detectives from the Judicial Police.
The search was called off shortly after 9.30am.
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Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not
returned safe and well.
There must be millions of committed theists around the world praying for the
safe return of Madeleine and what is the result? Zilch. What do these
deluded fools *need* in order to convince them that there *IS NO GOD* !!
Of course, if she turns up in a week or so's time then it will be a case of;
"God has answered our prayers." Idiots.
Uno-Hoo!
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16 Jun 2007 05:55:57 AM |
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Uno-Hoo! wrote:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
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Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not
returned safe and well.
There must be millions of committed theists around the world praying for the
safe return of Madeleine and what is the result? Zilch. What do these
deluded fools *need* in order to convince them that there *IS NO GOD* !!
Of course, if she turns up in a week or so's time then it will be a case of;
"God has answered our prayers." Idiots.
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events. In other
words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes that
already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought into the
material world we exist in if there is enough energy to attract it. The
possibility that Madeleine is dead exists alongside the possibility that
Madeleine is alive, both are as possible as each other.
When you break all matter down, from the person, to the computer
keyboard you write on, to the servers that hold this message, it is all
energy, everything is energy, electrons. Put the energy together in a
certain way, matter is formed. Theory goes that thought is also energy,
it gives off a magnetic field, which sends ripples outwards, at a
certain frequency. Energy attracts energy, like a magnet it pulls energy
to it, much like iron is pulled in by a magnet.
In quantum physics they say everything is connected together by super
strings, this is what glues all existence together. Energy can move
along these strings vibrating them at a certain frequency, in theory
this is what pulls in events and matter along the same frequency i.e. if
you want some event to happen, it is likely it will happen, although it
may happen in an unexpected way.
You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of
prayer has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum physics.
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| User: "Uno-Hoo! Uno-Hoo@NOSPAMbigfootdotcom" |
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16 Jun 2007 09:01:03 AM |
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"Tom" <tom@privacy.com> wrote in message
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Uno-Hoo! wrote:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
news:5dhafvF33mplfU1@mid.individual.net...
Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not
returned safe and well.
There must be millions of committed theists around the world praying for
the safe return of Madeleine and what is the result? Zilch. What do these
deluded fools *need* in order to convince them that there *IS NO GOD* !!
Of course, if she turns up in a week or so's time then it will be a case
of; "God has answered our prayers." Idiots.
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events. In other
words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes that
already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought into the
material world we exist in if there is enough energy to attract it. The
possibility that Madeleine is dead exists alongside the possibility that
Madeleine is alive, both are as possible as each other.
When you break all matter down, from the person, to the computer keyboard
you write on, to the servers that hold this message, it is all energy,
everything is energy, electrons. Put the energy together in a certain way,
matter is formed. Theory goes that thought is also energy, it gives off a
magnetic field, which sends ripples outwards, at a certain frequency.
Energy attracts energy, like a magnet it pulls energy to it, much like
iron is pulled in by a magnet.
In quantum physics they say everything is connected together by super
strings, this is what glues all existence together. Energy can move along
these strings vibrating them at a certain frequency, in theory this is
what pulls in events and matter along the same frequency i.e. if you want
some event to happen, it is likely it will happen, although it may happen
in an unexpected way.
You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of prayer
has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum physics.
Oh dear............................................!!
Uno-Hoo!
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16 Jun 2007 06:06:13 AM |
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"Tom" <tom@privacy.com> wrote in message
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You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of prayer
has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum physics.
You wish.
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Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"The only problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them underwater long
enough"
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16 Jun 2007 06:10:41 AM |
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Steve O wrote:
"Tom" <tom@privacy.com> wrote in message
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You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of prayer
has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum physics.
You wish.
There is an old Chinese curse that goes along the lines that "may you
get all you wish for".
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| User: "Tom" |
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16 Jun 2007 06:18:23 AM |
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Steve O wrote:
"Tom" <tom@privacy.com> wrote in message
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You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of prayer
has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum physics.
You wish.
http://superstringtheory.com/basics/basic4a.html
Reduces the concept of super strings down to a mathematical level.
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| User: "Deadrat" |
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16 Jun 2007 12:13:33 PM |
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Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in
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Steve O wrote:
"Tom" <tom@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:4673c205$0$14041$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of
prayer has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum
physics.
You wish.
http://superstringtheory.com/basics/basic4a.html
Reduces the concept of super strings down to a mathematical level.
From the article:
<quote>
The quantized string oscillator modes wind up giving representations of the
Poincaré group, through which quantum states of mass and spin are
classified in a relativistic quantum field theory.
</quote>
I don't understand this sentence. Could you please explain it to me?
And you're confusing two things, string theory and supersymmetry. Both are
theoretical constructs; neither has the slightest experimental evidence for
backing.
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| User: "¥ UltraMan ¥" |
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16 Jun 2007 03:10:23 PM |
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Deadrat wrote:
Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in
news:4673c746$0$14004$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com:
Steve O wrote:
"Tom" <tom@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:4673c205$0$14041$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of
prayer has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum
physics.
You wish.
http://superstringtheory.com/basics/basic4a.html
Reduces the concept of super strings down to a mathematical level.
From the article:
<quote>
The quantized string oscillator modes wind up giving representations
of the Poincaré group, through which quantum states of mass and spin
are classified in a relativistic quantum field theory.
</quote>
I don't understand this sentence. Could you please explain it to me?
<chuckle>
And you're confusing two things, string theory and supersymmetry.
Both are theoretical constructs; neither has the slightest
experimental evidence for backing.
Did you happen to see "prayer" anywhere in either theory ...? I must have
missed it.
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16 Jun 2007 12:27:24 PM |
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Deadrat wrote:
Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in
news:4673c746$0$14004$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com:
Steve O wrote:
"Tom" <tom@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:4673c205$0$14041$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of
prayer has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum
physics.
You wish.
http://superstringtheory.com/basics/basic4a.html
Reduces the concept of super strings down to a mathematical level.
From the article:
<quote>
The quantized string oscillator modes wind up giving representations of the
Poincaré group, through which quantum states of mass and spin are
classified in a relativistic quantum field theory.
</quote>
I don't understand this sentence. Could you please explain it to me?
Easy. The Mary Quant Fashion School advocates moving the hips whilst
wearing scanty underwear. This causes complaints from the "Point and
Fuss" brigade. Mary's answer is to not do this in church - particularly
with a cousin who works for an MP. She thinks that it would be much
better where there is soft grass around...
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Sue
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16 Jun 2007 01:14:48 PM |
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=?UTF-8?B?UGFsaW5kcuKYu21l?= <me9@privacy.net> wrote in
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Deadrat wrote:
Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in
news:4673c746$0$14004$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com:
Steve O wrote:
"Tom" <tom@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:4673c205$0$14041$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of
prayer has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum
physics.
You wish.
http://superstringtheory.com/basics/basic4a.html
Reduces the concept of super strings down to a mathematical level.
From the article:
<quote>
The quantized string oscillator modes wind up giving representations
of the Poincaré group, through which quantum states of mass and spin
are classified in a relativistic quantum field theory.
</quote>
I don't understand this sentence. Could you please explain it to me?
Easy. The Mary Quant Fashion School advocates moving the hips whilst
wearing scanty underwear. This causes complaints from the "Point and
Fuss" brigade. Mary's answer is to not do this in church -
particularly with a cousin who works for an MP. She thinks that it
would be much better where there is soft grass around...
Easy for you, maybe.
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16 Jun 2007 09:29:00 AM |
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Tom wrote:
Steve O wrote:
"Tom" <tom@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:4673c205$0$14041$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of
prayer has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum
physics.
You wish.
http://superstringtheory.com/basics/basic4a.html
Reduces the concept of super strings down to a mathematical level.
Nothing it there about Braying to God ...
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| User: "Ian" |
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16 Jun 2007 02:38:58 PM |
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On 16 Jun, 11:55, Tom <t...@privacy.com> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events. In other
words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes that
already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought into the
material world we exist in if there is enough energy to attract it.
Gibberish. Total gibberish. What sort of "energy" do you think is
associated with prayer?
Energy attracts energy, like a magnet it pulls energy
to it, much like iron is pulled in by a magnet.
Except that iron is attracted to a magnet to reduce energy, of course.
In quantum physics they say everything is connected together by super
strings, this is what glues all existence together.
No they don't.
You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of
prayer has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum physics.
Credulous cobblers. You've been had, pal.
Ian
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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16 Jun 2007 10:27:57 AM |
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On Jun 16, 12:55 pm, Tom <t...@privacy.com> wrote:
Uno-Hoo! wrote:
"=A5 UltraMan =A5" <u...@man.jp> wrote in message
news:5dhafvF33mplfU1@mid.individual.net...
Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not
returned safe and well.
There must be millions of committed theists around the world praying fo=
r the
safe return of Madeleine and what is the result? Zilch. What do these
deluded fools *need* in order to convince them that there *IS NO GOD* !!
Of course, if she turns up in a week or so's time then it will be a cas=
e of;
"God has answered our prayers." Idiots.
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events.
Only in your feverish imagination.
RS
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| User: "Mike" |
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17 Jun 2007 12:35:12 AM |
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On Jun 16, 6:55 am, Tom <t...@privacy.com> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events.
Ridiculous nonsense. Don't confuse a scientific theory with wild
unwarranted philosophical speculation as to how to metaphysically
interpret a scientific theory.
In other
words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes that
already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought into the
material world we exist in if there is enough energy to attract it.
You are playing a very foolish word game with the word "energy". If
you want to use the word "energy" in a metaphorical way and associate
some kind of "energy" to thought processes, fine. But don't
deliberately conflate such a metaphorical or analogical usage with the
precise meaning of the word in physics.
The
possibility that Madeleine is dead exists alongside the possibility that
Madeleine is alive, both are as possible as each other.
NO! There is a fundamental difference between a genuine quantum
superposition of states (that occurs for Schrodinger's hypothetical
cat) and a well defined eigenstate of which we happen to be ignorant
(as is the case for Madeleine).
When you break all matter down, from the person, to the computer
keyboard you write on, to the servers that hold this message, it is all
energy, everything is energy, electrons.
Are you trying to equate energy with electrons?
Put the energy together in a
certain way, matter is formed. Theory goes that thought is also energy,
it gives off a magnetic field, which sends ripples outwards, at a
certain frequency.
LOL! This is hilarious pseudoscience even by the pathetic standards
of the cognitively impaired religious cranks and trolls who infest
alt.atheism with their drivel. What kind of new age crap have you
been reading? Magnetic fields you say? Don't you realize that the
magnetic fields generated by electric currents in the brain are orders
of magnitude smaller than most man-made fields let alone the permanent
magnetic field of the earth? A microwave oven a mile away generates
MUCH more powerful magnetic fields then your brain a couple feet
away. How could the feeble magnetic fields produced by brain function
have any causal effect on the world since they are so overwhelmingly
drowned out by the much more powerful random electromagnetic "noise"
in the environment?
Energy attracts energy, like a magnet it pulls energy
to it, much like iron is pulled in by a magnet.
This should be entertaining. Please explain a magnet "pulls energy to
it". Give full mathematical details please. It is true that energy
attracts energy gravitationally, but somehow I don't think you were
referring to general relativity here.
In quantum physics they say everything is connected together by super
strings, this is what glues all existence together.
No! Superstrings, if they exist, are not some kind of cosmic "glue".
They are models for elementary particles in an ongoing effort to make
general relativity and the quantum field theory of the standard model
compatible with each other.
Energy can move
along these strings vibrating them at a certain frequency, in theory
this is what pulls in events and matter along the same frequency i.e. if
you want some event to happen, it is likely it will happen, although it
may happen in an unexpected way.
You pile the horseshit higher and deeper. Show a citation by any
physicist claiming that human volition can causally influence physical
events. Look, if your ignorance is honest I don't want to just pick
on you for having been misled by some new age quantum mysticism crap
you have read. But you don't know what you're talking about. Better
information is easily available. You can start with wikipedia's
series on quantum mechanics which is fairly well written and mostly
not mathematically demanding. If on the other hand you are just a
fluff brain who finds quantum mysticism fun and intellectually
masturbatory then take another bong hit and enjoy yourself.
To quote Steven Weinberg: Those who seek religious or mystical
messages in what they think they understand about modern physics are
digging dry wells.
You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of
prayer has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum physics.- Hide quoted text -
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| User: "Ian" |
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17 Jun 2007 04:07:54 PM |
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On 17 Jun, 06:35, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
NO! There is a fundamental difference between a genuine quantum
superposition of states (that occurs for Schrodinger's hypothetical
cat) and a well defined eigenstate of which we happen to be ignorant
(as is the case for Madeleine).
The cat must know whether the vial has broken or not. Isn't it a bit
anthropocentric to assume that only a human observer will suffice? And
what happens to the cat's state if the first scientist to look in the
box says "Oh", closes the lid, and dies of a heart attack?
Ian
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17 Jun 2007 09:09:31 PM |
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Ian wrote:
On 17 Jun, 06:35, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
NO! There is a fundamental difference between a genuine quantum
superposition of states (that occurs for Schrodinger's hypothetical
cat) and a well defined eigenstate of which we happen to be ignorant
(as is the case for Madeleine).
The cat must know whether the vial has broken or not.
That cat may know if the vial is broken, but until someone
observes the path of the photon(s), the vial too is in a superposition
state of both broken and not broken.
Isn't it a bit
anthropocentric to assume that only a human observer will suffice? And
what happens to the cat's state if the first scientist to look in the
box says "Oh", closes the lid, and dies of a heart attack?
The observation collapses the superposition, there is no requirement that
the observer live any indeterminate time after the observation, nor that
the observer communicate that result to others.
Ian
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18 Jun 2007 08:31:38 AM |
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On Jun 17, 5:07 pm, Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 17 Jun, 06:35, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
NO! There is a fundamental difference between a genuine quantum
superposition of states (that occurs for Schrodinger's hypothetical
cat) and a well defined eigenstate of which we happen to be ignorant
(as is the case for Madeleine).
The cat must know whether the vial has broken or not.
The cat is in a superposition of states. State 1 in which the
cat is alive and knows the vial is unbroken and state 2 in which the
cat is dead and perhaps had time to observe that the vial had broken
before it died.
Isn't it a bit
anthropocentric to assume that only a human observer will suffice?
Who said anything about observers, let alone the distinction
between human and feline observers? There used to be a heretical
school of thought, that was at one time championed by Eugene Wigner,
that the consiousness of an observer is somehow physically relevant to
causing the collapse of wave functions. But this seems like quite an
arbitrary ad hoc assumption and was never accepted by most of the
quantum gurus. Einstein, among others, had some very acid remarks
about that interpretation of QM.
There is nothing special about cats. We could equally well put
YOU in the Schrodinger apparatus and have you in a coherent
superposition of live and dead states. Or instead of a human or a cat
we could have a computerized device monitering the state of the vial
--- it all works out the same.
You must understand that S's thought experiment, whether the
subject be human, feline, or mechanical, depends on an idealized
laboratory setup in which the subject and apparatus are isolate from
the rest of the universe. In the world at large, quantum
superpositions of quantum states are prevented from occuring for
macroscopic objects by quantum decoherence.
It goes like this. First you must realize that quantum
superpositions can only produce observable effects when the components
of the wave function corresponding to distinct eigenstates are in
phase. Consider for example the famous double slit experiment. The
photon or electron is in a superposition of two states. State 1
describes a particle that has passed through slit 1 and state 2
describes a particle that has passed through slit 2. The reason wave
interference happens is that the two states are in phase.
Outside of the contrived and artificial conditions Schrodinger sets up
for his thought experiment, in the real world the a macroscopic
object interacts with random "noise" in the environment and the
different components of the wave function rapidly become out of phase
(in a miniscule fraction of a second). The wave function is then said
to decohere. You can think of the interaction of the particle with
either the ambient environment or a measuring apparatus and the
resulting decoherence of the wave function as analogous to an
irreversible thermodynamic process. The clearest and simplest
nontechnical description of quantum decoherence I know of can be found
at the following link:
www.ipod.org.uk.reality/reality_decoherence.asp
And
what happens to the cat's state if the first scientist to look in the
box says "Oh", closes the lid, and dies of a heart attack?
Makes absolutely no difference. Once an act of observation, or any
other interaction with the system, has occured the wave function has
decohered.
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16 Jun 2007 07:08:33 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:55:57 +0100, Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events. In other
words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes that
already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought into the
material world we exist in if there is enough energy to attract it.
There's no such "theory", it's your misunderstanding of a few
different branches of science applied to your irrational belief.
There's not enough "energy" in the "prayers" of a thousand people to
light a flashlight bulb.
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| User: "Deadrat" |
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16 Jun 2007 12:08:53 PM |
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Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in
news:4673c205$0$14041$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com:
Uno-Hoo! wrote:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
news:5dhafvF33mplfU1@mid.individual.net...
Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their Roman
Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter was not
returned safe and well.
There must be millions of committed theists around the world praying
for the safe return of Madeleine and what is the result? Zilch. What
do these deluded fools *need* in order to convince them that there
*IS NO GOD* !!
Of course, if she turns up in a week or so's time then it will be a
case of; "God has answered our prayers." Idiots.
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events.
Please give us the details of this "theory." Hint: You can't. It
doesn't exist. In fact, experimental evidence shows that prayers have
no affect on such things as medical outcomes.
In
other words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes
that already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought
into the material world we exist in if there is enough energy to
attract it.
In other words, that sentence makes no sense. There is no scientific
meaning to energy attracting possibilities.
The possibility that Madeleine is dead exists alongside
the possibility that Madeleine is alive, both are as possible as each
other.
Please give the calculations that shows that both possibilities are
equally likely. Show your work. You're likely thinking of Schrodinger's
Cat, a gedankenexperiment in which macroevents are directlly connected to a
quantum mechanical event. This has nothing to do with what's happened to
Madeleine.
When you break all matter down, from the person, to the computer
keyboard you write on, to the servers that hold this message, it is
all energy, everything is energy, electrons.
Energy and matter are the same in the sense that E = mc^2. This has
nothing to do with electrons per se.
Put the energy together
in a certain way, matter is formed. Theory goes that thought is also
energy, it gives off a magnetic field, which sends ripples outwards,
at a certain frequency.
A field assigns a value (scalar, vector, or tensor) to each point. It
doesn't "send ripples" anywhere.
Energy attracts energy, like a magnet it pulls
energy to it, much like iron is pulled in by a magnet.
You're thinking of forces, some of which attract (like gravity) and
others of which (like magnetism) may actually repel.
In quantum physics they say everything is connected together
As opposed to being connected apart, I suppose.
by super strings, this is what glues all existence together.
You're thinking of string theory, which is separate from quantum
electrodynamics and quantum chromodynamics, not least in that there is no
evidence for the first and plenty for the last two.
Energy
can move along these strings vibrating them at a certain frequency, in
theory this is what pulls in events and matter along the same
frequency i.e. if you want some event to happen, it is likely it will
happen, although it may happen in an unexpected way.
This is utter nonsense. The strings supposedly vibrate with certain
frequencies, which gives them energy. But this has nothing to do with
"events," the likelihood that events will "happen," or anyone's "wanting."
You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of
prayer has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum
physics.
Or not.
Doesn't it hurt to be so ignorant?
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| User: "¥ UltraMan ¥" |
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| Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** |
16 Jun 2007 04:46:18 PM |
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Deadrat wrote:
Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in
news:4673c205$0$14041$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com:
Uno-Hoo! wrote:
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote in message
news:5dhafvF33mplfU1@mid.individual.net...
Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith'
By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 1:23am BST 16/06/2007
The parents of Madeleine McCann said yesterday that their
Roman Catholic faith would be "severely tested" if their daughter
was not returned safe and well.
There must be millions of committed theists around the world praying
for the safe return of Madeleine and what is the result? Zilch. What
do these deluded fools *need* in order to convince them that there
*IS NO GOD* !!
Of course, if she turns up in a week or so's time then it will be a
case of; "God has answered our prayers." Idiots.
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum
physics that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of
events.
Please give us the details of this "theory." Hint: You can't. It
doesn't exist. In fact, experimental evidence shows that prayers have
no affect on such things as medical outcomes.
Actually there has been data that shows an inverse placebo effect
in patients with serious aliments, where knowing that people
were braying for them produced a deleterious psycho-emotional
state in the patients.
In
other words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes
that already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought
into the material world we exist in if there is enough energy to
attract it.
In other words, that sentence makes no sense. There is no scientific
meaning to energy attracting possibilities.
Awww, now you've gone an spoiled it for all the New Age crystal worshippers.
The possibility that Madeleine is dead exists alongside
the possibility that Madeleine is alive, both are as possible as each
other.
Please give the calculations that shows that both possibilities are
equally likely. Show your work. You're likely thinking of
Schrodinger's Cat, a gedankenexperiment in which macroevents are
directlly connected to a quantum mechanical event. This has nothing
to do with what's happened to Madeleine.
Unless she was kidnapped by a rogue photon.
When you break all matter down, from the person, to the computer
keyboard you write on, to the servers that hold this message, it is
all energy, everything is energy, electrons.
Energy and matter are the same in the sense that E = mc^2. This has
nothing to do with electrons per se.
Put the energy together
in a certain way, matter is formed. Theory goes that thought is also
energy, it gives off a magnetic field, which sends ripples outwards,
at a certain frequency.
A field assigns a value (scalar, vector, or tensor) to each point. It
doesn't "send ripples" anywhere.
Energy attracts energy, like a magnet it pulls
energy to it, much like iron is pulled in by a magnet.
You're thinking of forces, some of which attract (like gravity) and
others of which (like magnetism) may actually repel.
In quantum physics they say everything is connected together
As opposed to being connected apart, I suppose.
by super strings, this is what glues all existence together.
You're thinking of string theory, which is separate from quantum
electrodynamics and quantum chromodynamics, not least in that there
is no evidence for the first and plenty for the last two.
Energy
can move along these strings vibrating them at a certain frequency,
in theory this is what pulls in events and matter along the same
frequency i.e. if you want some event to happen, it is likely it will
happen, although it may happen in an unexpected way.
This is utter nonsense. The strings supposedly vibrate with certain
frequencies, which gives them energy. But this has nothing to do with
"events," the likelihood that events will "happen," or anyone's
"wanting."
You do not have to believe in a religion or a god, as this idea of
prayer has a sound scientific basis in mathematics and quantum
physics.
Or not.
Doesn't it hurt to be so ignorant?
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| User: "FragileWarrior" |
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| Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** |
17 Jun 2007 11:14:45 AM |
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Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in news:4673c205$0$14041$a82e2bb9
@reader.athenanews.com:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events
And, believe it or not, a recent study has shown that out out of two groups
of people in the hospital -- one group which had people praying for them
and one group which didn't -- the prayed for group did worse than the ones
not receiving divine intervention.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** |
16 Jun 2007 10:58:45 AM |
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Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in news:4673c205$0$14041$a82e2bb9
@reader.athenanews.com:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events. In other
words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes that
already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought into the
material world we exist in if there is enough energy to attract it. The
possibility that Madeleine is dead exists alongside the possibility
that Madeleine is alive, both are as possible as each other.
Yeah. There is another theory . . . that this claim is bompete *****,
and that you can't substantiate it in any way with any reference to a
reputable, or indeed, even a disreputable source.
I think my theory is far more likely than yours to be true, but I'm
willing to look at the evidence. Post it if you have it.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"The Old Testament is responsible for more atheism, agnosticism,
disbelief call it what you will than all of the counterattractions of
cinema, motor bicycle, and golf course."
A. A. Milne
(01/18/1882 - 01/31/1956)
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| User: "Kent Wills" |
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| Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** |
16 Jun 2007 01:11:12 PM |
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As I understand it, on 16 Jun 2007 15:58:45 GMT, Enkidu
<fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote:
Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in news:4673c205$0$14041$a82e2bb9
@reader.athenanews.com:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum physics
that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of events. In other
words for a given event there are a thousand and more outcomes that
already exist, that one of those possibilities can be brought into the
material world we exist in if there is enough energy to attract it. The
possibility that Madeleine is dead exists alongside the possibility
that Madeleine is alive, both are as possible as each other.
Yeah. There is another theory . . . that this claim is bompete *****,
and that you can't substantiate it in any way with any reference to a
reputable, or indeed, even a disreputable source.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat
Your move.
I think my theory is far more likely than yours to be true, but I'm
willing to look at the evidence. Post it if you have it.
Schrödinger's cat is the most widely known example of the
theory, which, as the above link proves, does exist.
--
Kent
"I'm a ten gov a day guy. It's all I know, and it's all
you need to know, gov!"
- Shouting George
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| User: "¥ UltraMan ¥" |
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| Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** |
16 Jun 2007 04:39:40 PM |
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Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on 16 Jun 2007 15:58:45 GMT, Enkidu
<fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote:
Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in news:4673c205$0$14041$a82e2bb9
@reader.athenanews.com:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum
physics that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of
events. In other words for a given event there are a thousand and
more outcomes that already exist, that one of those possibilities
can be brought into the material world we exist in if there is
enough energy to attract it. The possibility that Madeleine is dead
exists alongside the possibility that Madeleine is alive, both are
as possible as each other.
Yeah. There is another theory . . . that this claim is bompete
*****, and that you can't substantiate it in any way with any
reference to a reputable, or indeed, even a disreputable source.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat
Your move.
I think my theory is far more likely than yours to be true, but I'm
willing to look at the evidence. Post it if you have it.
Schrödinger's cat is the most widely known example of the
theory, which, as the above link proves, does exist.
Once again Kent Will caught lying in a pathetic attempt to
support his grotesque perverted superstition.
Where in Quantum Mechanical theory of Superposition is there
anything about "prayer" you stammering jackass?
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| User: "Kent Wills" |
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| Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** |
16 Jun 2007 09:34:04 PM |
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As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:39:40 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on 16 Jun 2007 15:58:45 GMT, Enkidu
<fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote:
Tom <tom@privacy.com> wrote in news:4673c205$0$14041$a82e2bb9
@reader.athenanews.com:
Believe in god or not, there is a scientific theory in quantum
physics that suggests that prayer can influence the outcome of
events. In other words for a given event there are a thousand and
more outcomes that already exist, that one of those possibilities
can be brought into the material world we exist in if there is
enough energy to attract it. The possibility that Madeleine is dead
exists alongside the possibility that Madeleine is alive, both are
as possible as each other.
Yeah. There is another theory . . . that this claim is bompete
*****, and that you can't substantiate it in any way with any
reference to a reputable, or indeed, even a disreputable source.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat
Your move.
I think my theory is far more likely than yours to be true, but I'm
willing to look at the evidence. Post it if you have it.
Schrödinger's cat is the most widely known example of the
theory, which, as the above link proves, does exist.
Once again Kent Will caught lying in a pathetic attempt to
support his grotesque perverted superstition.
Where in Quantum Mechanical theory of Superposition is there
anything about "prayer" you stammering jackass?
When did I ever mention prayer, pathological liar? Tom is the
only one to mention prayer. I simply proved the idea that Madeleine
is equally alive or dead to be valid. You wanted a link to the theory
I based this on, and I supplied it, proving you wrong yet again.
Maybe you should just walk away now. You'll do nothing more
than make yourself look more foolish, if that's possible.
--
Kent
"I'm a ten gov a day guy. It's all I know, and it's all
you need to know, gov!"
- Shouting George
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** |
17 Jun 2007 02:43:27 AM |
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On Jun 16, 10:34 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:39:40 -0600, "=A5 UltraMan =A5"
Where in Quantum Mechanical theory of Superposition is there
anything about "prayer" you stammering jackass?
When did I ever mention prayer, pathological liar? Tom is the
only one to mention prayer. I simply proved the idea that Madeleine
is equally alive or dead to be valid. =20
No. You proved no such thing. You mistakenly equate a superposition
of quantum eigenstates (as is the case for the cat) with a well
defined quantum state of which we are ignorant (which is the case for
Madeleine). This is completely erroneous. I assure you that
Schrodinger was quite clear on the distinction. After proposing his
famous cat thought experiment Schrodinger worked out the basic notions
of quantum entanglement of observers with measuring apparatus and the
measured phenomena and quantum decoherence precisely for the purpose
of clarifying why macroscopic objects in the world are NOT ordinarily
subject to quantum superpositions as is the case for the hypothetical
cat. The cat requires a carefully contrived lab setup. In the real
world where conditions are random and not carefully controlled quantum
decoherence rules macroscopic phenomena.
You wanted a link to the theory
I based this on, and I supplied it, proving you wrong yet again.
Maybe you should just walk away now. You'll do nothing more
than make yourself look more foolish, if that's possible.
--
Kent
"I'm a ten gov a day guy. It's all I know, and it's all
you need to know, gov!"
- Shouting George- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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| User: "¥ UltraMan ¥" |
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17 Jun 2007 09:18:14 AM |
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Mike wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:34 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:39:40 -0600, "¥ UltraMan
¥"
Where in Quantum Mechanical theory of Superposition is there
anything about "prayer" you stammering jackass?
When did I ever mention prayer, pathological liar? Tom is
the only one to mention prayer. I simply proved the idea that
Madeleine is equally alive or dead to be valid.
No. You proved no such thing. You mistakenly equate a superposition
of quantum eigenstates (as is the case for the cat) with a well
defined quantum state of which we are ignorant
Ignorance is Kent's specialty.
(which is the case for
Madeleine). This is completely erroneous. I assure you that
Schrodinger was quite clear on the distinction. After proposing his
famous cat thought experiment Schrodinger worked out the basic notions
of quantum entanglement of observers with measuring apparatus and the
measured phenomena and quantum decoherence precisely for the purpose
of clarifying why macroscopic objects in the world are NOT ordinarily
subject to quantum superpositions as is the case for the hypothetical
cat. The cat requires a carefully contrived lab setup. In the real
world where conditions are random and not carefully controlled quantum
decoherence rules macroscopic phenomena.
You wanted a link to the theory
I based this on, and I supplied it, proving you wrong yet again.
Maybe you should just walk away now. You'll do nothing more
than make yourself look more foolish, if that's possible.
"Let's pretend breathing is outlawed and everyone the world
over ceases inhaling and exhaling.
There will be NO change in CO2 levels since we exhale carbon
monoxide, not carbon dioxide, stupid."
-- Kent Wills
--
Kent
"I'm a ten gov a day guy. It's all I know, and it's all
you need to know, gov!"
- Shouting George- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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| User: "Kent Wills" |
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| Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** |
17 Jun 2007 04:39:57 PM |
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As I understand it, on Sun, 17 Jun 2007 08:18:14 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Mike wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:34 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:39:40 -0600, "¥ UltraMan
¥"
Where in Quantum Mechanical theory of Superposition is there
anything about "prayer" you stammering jackass?
When did I ever mention prayer, pathological liar? Tom is
the only one to mention prayer. I simply proved the idea that
Madeleine is equally alive or dead to be valid.
No. You proved no such thing. You mistakenly equate a superposition
of quantum eigenstates (as is the case for the cat) with a well
defined quantum state of which we are ignorant
Ignorance is Kent's specialty.
Pathological lying is your only obsession, as evidenced below.
(which is the case for
Madeleine). This is completely erroneous. I assure you that
Schrodinger was quite clear on the distinction. After proposing his
famous cat thought experiment Schrodinger worked out the basic notions
of quantum entanglement of observers with measuring apparatus and the
measured phenomena and quantum decoherence precisely for the purpose
of clarifying why macroscopic objects in the world are NOT ordinarily
subject to quantum superpositions as is the case for the hypothetical
cat. The cat requires a carefully contrived lab setup. In the real
world where conditions are random and not carefully controlled quantum
decoherence rules macroscopic phenomena.
You wanted a link to the theory
I based this on, and I supplied it, proving you wrong yet again.
Maybe you should just walk away now. You'll do nothing more
than make yourself look more foolish, if that's possible.
"Let's pretend breathing is outlawed and everyone the world
over ceases inhaling and exhaling.
There will be NO change in CO2 levels since we exhale carbon
monoxide, not carbon dioxide, stupid."
-- Kent Wills
Why do you fail to include the post I made mere minutes later
acknowledging that I confused carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide? The
honest answer is simple. You are UNABLE to be honest. You are a
pathological liar.
You should seek help for this. Seriously. You aren't doing
yourself any good.
--
Kent
Born once - Die twice. Born twice - Die only once. Your choice...
Sig "borrowed" from Joe.
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| User: "¥ UltraMan ¥" |
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| Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** |
17 Jun 2007 09:05:32 PM |
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Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 17 Jun 2007 08:18:14 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Mike wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:34 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:39:40 -0600, "¥ UltraMan
¥"
Where in Quantum Mechanical theory of Superposition is there
anything about "prayer" you stammering jackass?
When did I ever mention prayer, pathological liar? Tom is
the only one to mention prayer. I simply proved the idea that
Madeleine is equally alive or dead to be valid.
No. You proved no such thing. You mistakenly equate a
superposition of quantum eigenstates (as is the case for the cat)
with a well defined quantum state of which we are ignorant
Ignorance is Kent's specialty.
Pathological lying is your only obsession, as evidenced below.
(which is the case for
Madeleine). This is completely erroneous. I assure you that
Schrodinger was quite clear on the distinction. After proposing his
famous cat thought experiment Schrodinger worked out the basic
notions of quantum entanglement of observers with measuring
apparatus and the measured phenomena and quantum decoherence
precisely for the purpose of clarifying why macroscopic objects in
the world are NOT ordinarily subject to quantum superpositions as
is the case for the hypothetical cat. The cat requires a carefully
contrived lab setup. In the real world where conditions are random
and not carefully controlled quantum decoherence rules macroscopic
phenomena.
You wanted a link to the theory
I based this on, and I supplied it, proving you wrong yet again.
Maybe you should just walk away now. You'll do nothing
more than make yourself look more foolish, if that's possible.
"Let's pretend breathing is outlawed and everyone the world
over ceases inhaling and exhaling.
There will be NO change in CO2 levels since we exhale carbon
monoxide, not carbon dioxide, stupid."
-- Kent Wills
Why do you fail to include the post I made mere minutes later
What post Kent? You're such the stammering jackass and
intellectual coward that you use the X-no-Archive header
to erase your own nonsense.
acknowledging that I confused carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide?
Even 5th graders know the difference, moron. Just how stupid are you?
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| User: "Kent Wills" |
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| Title: Re: ** Losing Maddy for ever 'would test our faith' <= superstitious imbeciles! ** |
17 Jun 2007 11:26:36 PM |
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As I understand it, on Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:05:32 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Kent Wills wrote:
As I understand it, on Sun, 17 Jun 2007 08:18:14 -0600, "¥ UltraMan ¥"
<ultra@man.jp> wrote:
Mike wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:34 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand it, on Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:39:40 -0600, "¥ UltraMan
¥"
Where in Quantum Mechanical theory of Superposition is there
anything about "prayer" you stammering jackass?
When did I ever mention prayer, pathological liar? Tom is
the only one to mention prayer. I simply proved the idea that
Madeleine is equally alive or dead to be valid.
No. You proved no such thing. You mistakenly equate a
superposition of quantum eigenstates (as is the case for the cat)
with a well defined quantum state of which we are ignorant
Ignorance is Kent's specialty.
Pathological lying is your only obsession, as evidenced below.
(which is the case for
Madeleine). This is completely erroneous. I assure you that
Schrodinger was quite clear on the distinction. After proposing his
famous cat thought experiment Schrodinger worked out the basic
notions of quantum entanglement of observers with measuring
apparatus and the measured phenomena and quantum decoherence
precisely for the purpose of clarifying why macroscopic objects in
the world are NOT ordinarily subject to quantum superpositions as
is the case for the hypothetical cat. The cat requires a carefully
contrived lab setup. In the real world where conditions are random
and not carefully controlled quantum decoherence rules macroscopic
phenomena.
You wanted a link to the theory
I based this on, and I supplied it, proving you wrong yet again.
Maybe you should just walk away now. You'll do nothing
more than make yourself look more foolish, if that's possible.
"Let's pretend breathing is outlawed and everyone the world
over ceases inhaling and exhaling.
There will be NO change in CO2 levels since we exhale carbon
monoxide, not carbon dioxide, stupid."
-- Kent Wills
Why do you fail to include the post I made mere minutes later
What post Kent? You're such the stammering jackass and
intellectual coward that you use the X-no-Archive header
to erase your own nonsense.
If you saw the first one, you saw the follow up. Since you
CAN'T be honest, ever, about anything, you refuse to admit it. It
doesn't come as a surprise to anyone.
acknowledging that I confused carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide?
Even 5th graders know the difference, moron. Just how stupid are you?
I'm still smarter than you, as you consistently prove.
--
Kent
Vegetarian: Indian word for lousy hunter.
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