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=> Montana kicks Ten Commandments monument to the gutter where it belongs ...! |
Ten Commandments Monument Removed From Montana Courthouse
Thursday, September 25, 2003
AP
MILES CITY, Mont. - A monument displaying the Ten Commandments (search) has
been removed from a courthouse lawn, ending a six-year dispute over a religious
display on public property.
Workers in this community in eastern Montana (search) on Wednesday moved the
stone to the city's Range Riders Museum (search), which is privately run.
"I'm pleased that the issue has been resolved," said County Commission
Chairwoman Janet Kelly, who voted to move the monument. The stone's removal
effectively ends a 4-year-old lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union
(search), which contended the monument violated the principle of separation of
church and state.
"We had no choice. They had to be moved," said Commissioner Duane Mathison, who
was among those who favored keeping the Ten Commandments in front of the
courthouse.
The Fraternal Order of Eagles donated the stone to Custer County in 1968. In
1997, several people complained about the monument and a nearby Nativity scene.
Two years later, the ACLU sued. In 2000, a consent decree was signed that
offered the county the options of removing the monument, or making it part of a
display at the courthouse on the evolution of law. However, commissioners
decided such a display would be too expensive.
In Montgomery, Ala., the state's top judge was suspended for refusing to remove
a Ten Commandments monument from the state judicial building's rotunda after he
was ordered to do so by a federal judge. That 5,300-pound monument was wheeled
out in August and put in a storage room.
The judge, Chief Justice Roy Moore, faces a misconduct charge and could be
removed from office.
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| User: "= Vox Populi ©" |
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| Title: Re: => Montana kicks Ten Commandments monument to the gutter where it belongs ...! |
25 Sep 2003 12:29:55 PM |
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"HoochieGooGoos" <hoochiegoogoos@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030925131007.00405.00000111@mb-m10.aol.com...
I guess the white supremacists in Montana, yeah you Plum, are a little slow on
the uptake.
The ignorant and inbred often turn to superstition to justify their bigotry.
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"How can you have order in a state without religion?
For, when one man is dying of hunger near another
who is ill of surfeit, he cannot resign himself to this
difference unless there is an authority which declares
´God wills it thus.´ Religion is excellent stuff for
keeping common people quiet."
-- Napoleon Bonaparte
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| User: "Uncle Samuel stars@bars" |
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| Title: Re: => Montana kicks Ten Commandments monument to the gutter where it belongs ...! |
25 Sep 2003 01:45:18 PM |
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:29:55 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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"HoochieGooGoos" <hoochiegoogoos@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030925131007.00405.00000111@mb-m10.aol.com...
I guess the white supremacists in Montana, yeah you Plum, are a little slow on
the uptake.
The ignorant and inbred often turn to superstition to justify their bigotry.
So yer superstitious too voxie?
....who knew...
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| User: "Take Clayton Only As Directed" |
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| Title: Re: => Montana kicks Ten Commandments monument to the gutter where it belongs ...! |
25 Sep 2003 08:24:03 PM |
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"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:29:55 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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"HoochieGooGoos" <hoochiegoogoos@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030925131007.00405.00000111@mb-m10.aol.com...
I guess the white supremacists in Montana, yeah you Plum, are a little
slow on
the uptake.
The ignorant and inbred often turn to superstition to justify their
bigotry.
So yer superstitious too voxie?
...who knew...
Awwww...how cute. A ten year old has gotten onto daddy's computer and
worked how to post on a newsgroup.
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| User: "Uncle Samuel stars@bars" |
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| Title: Re: => Montana kicks Ten Commandments monument to the gutter where it belongs ...! |
26 Sep 2003 12:22:57 AM |
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:24:03 +1000, "Take Clayton Only As Directed"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
"Uncle Samuel" <stars@bars> wrote in message
news:9id6nv8dsoguk6cahs44mi78sc9bd6d1ft@4ax.com...
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:29:55 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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"HoochieGooGoos" <hoochiegoogoos@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030925131007.00405.00000111@mb-m10.aol.com...
I guess the white supremacists in Montana, yeah you Plum, are a little
slow on
the uptake.
The ignorant and inbred often turn to superstition to justify their
bigotry.
So yer superstitious too voxie?
...who knew...
Awwww...how cute.
Ain't it tho?
A ten year old has gotten onto daddy's computer and
worked how to post on a newsgroup.
Sshhh...I'll make sure ya don't git caught junior...
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| User: "Uncle Samuel stars@bars" |
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| Title: Re: => Montana kicks Ten Commandments monument to the gutter where it belongs ...! |
25 Sep 2003 10:46:12 AM |
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:56:05 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <vox@popu.li>
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In 1997, several people complained about the monument and a nearby Nativity scene.
Oh no, we can't have any Christmas in the plains either now can we?
Two years later, the ACLU sued. In 2000, a consent decree was signed that
offered the county the options of removing the monument, or making it part of a
display at the courthouse on the evolution of law. However, commissioners
decided such a display would be too expensive.
Gee..that sounds like a budget decision...
In Montgomery, Ala., the state's top judge was suspended
For a "budget decision"?
Read the facts and weep you gutless atheistic rent discriminator...
http://www.alliance4lifemin.org/amchristii.html
A QUICK TOUR OF OUR CAPITOL REMINDS US THAT THIS NATION WAS BUILT UPON
THE FOUNDATIONS OF CHRISTIAN BELIEF.
The Supreme Court building portrays Moses holding the Ten Commandments
through which the voice of God thunders "Thou shalt not murder."
The Capitol Rotunda contains eight massive oil paintings, each
depicting a major event in history. Four of these paintings portray
Jesus Christ and the Bible: 1) Columbus landing on the shores of the
New World, and holding high the cross of Jesus Christ, 2) a group of
Dutch pilgrims gathered around a large, opened Bible, 3) a cross being
planted in the soil, commemorating the discovery of the Mississippi
River by the Explorer De Soto, and 4) the Christian baptism of the
Indian convert Pocahontas.
Statuary Hall contains life size statues of famous citizens that have
been given by individual states. Medical missionary Marcus Whitman
stands big as life, holding a Bible. Another statue is of missionary
Junipero Serra, who founded the missions of Los Angeles, San
Francisco, Montery and San Diego. Illinois sent a statue of Francis
Willard, an associate of the evangelist Dwight L. Moody.
Inscribed on the walls of the Library of Congress are quotes honoring
the study of art, the wall is etched with "Nature is the art of God."
A quote honoring Science says, "The heavens declare the glory of God."
An inspiration honoring religion is Micah 6:8, "What doth the Lord
require of thee but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly
with thy God."
On a wall in the Jefferson Memorial we read, "God who gave us life
gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when
we removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of people
that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be
violated without His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I
reflect that God is just; that His justice sleep forever."
As you climb the steps inside the Washington Monument you will notice
stones with inscriptions on them. Some of them are, "Search the
Scriptures" – "Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is
old he will not depart from it" – "The memory of the just is blessed"
– "Holiness to the Lord" – and the top which says "Praise be to God!"
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| Title: Re: => Montana kicks Ten Commandments monument to the gutter where it belongs ...! |
25 Sep 2003 10:36:23 AM |
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The Ten Commandments fight will probably end in the US Supreme Court
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As religious conservatives rally in defense of the so-called Ten Commandments
monument at the Alabama State Judicial Building in Montgomery, legal observers
said recent conflicting legal rulings on similar displays around the country could
eventually force a reluctant U.S. Supreme Court to decide the case.
In a dispute that has become the flashpoint of a national debate on the legality of
religious displays at government facilities, a federal judge on Tuesday ordered
Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore to remove from the State Supreme Court Building
a 1.5 ton monument that portrays, among other writings, the Ten Commandments.
In May 2001, the Supreme Court declined to review whether a Ten Commandments
monument that had been on display outside the municipal building in Elkhart, Ind.,
was unconstitutional.
Christian groups are planning a rally in support of the monument at the Supreme Court
building in Montgomery, Ala., on Saturday, August 16, and non-stop vigils are
planned to begin August 20, the deadline U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson set for
the monument's removal.
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This is only a synopsis.
Read the full text at this www site :
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1213583.html
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| User: "Uncle Samuel stars@bars" |
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25 Sep 2003 10:47:26 AM |
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:36:23 +0100,
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The Ten Commandments fight will probably end in the US Supreme Court
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If it does it will be OUR court you limey wank.
http://www.alliance4lifemin.org/amchristii.html
The Supreme Court building portrays Moses holding the Ten Commandments
through which the voice of God thunders "Thou shalt not murder."
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| User: "Steve Gombosi" |
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| Title: Re: => Montana kicks Ten Commandments monument to the gutter where it belongs ...! |
26 Sep 2003 04:01:33 PM |
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In article <oe36nvkglllrn0p58lg33aqiq06g7kmgid@4ax.com>,
Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> wrote:
The Supreme Court building portrays Moses holding the Ten Commandments
through which the voice of God thunders "Thou shalt not murder."
The "voice of God" is not depicted. Commandments 6 through 10 are
partially legible (in Hebrew, of course) on the tablets carried
by the figure of Moses.
Note that this means that the frieze specifically does *not* include:
Anochi YHVH eloheicha asher hotzeiticha me-eretz
Mitzraim mibeit avadim. Lo yihyeh l'cha elohim
acherim al panai.
I am the Lord your God, that brought you out of the
land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall
have no other gods before me.
namely, the first commandment (and the one which would most
clearly violate the separation of church and state). It also
doesn't depict the commandments regarding the sabbath, idolatry,
or taking the tetragrammaton in vain.
In other words, it omits every single one of the commandments
that describe any religious observation, custom, or regulation
which might conceivably be considered characteristic of the
Judeo-Christian-Islamic religious tradition.
It conveniently begins with "Lo tirtzach", "Don't murder"
a prohibition which is hardly either unique or original
to the Mosaic law.
The Weinman frieze on the Supreme Court building *also* portrays:
1) Menes, First Pharoah of the First Dynasty of Egypt, who unified
Upper and Lower Egypt and promulgated the first legal code for the
kingdom
2) Hammurabi, founder of the Babylonian Empire, who devised the Code of
Hammurabi. It shows him receiving the code from the Babylonian Sun God.
3) Solomon
4) Lycurgus of Sparta, who reformed Sparta's constitution
5) Solon of Athens, who revised the Athenian Constitution in 594 BCE.
6) Draco of Athens, who authored the infamous Draconian Code around 620 BCE
7) Confucius
8) The Emperor Augustus of Rome
9) Justinian, Emperor of Byzantium and author of the Corpus Juris Civilis
10) Muhammad, who is depicted holding the Qu'ran just as Moses is depicted
with the tablets.
11) Charlemagne
12) King John (for being dragged, kicking and screaming, into signing the
Magna Carta). He is depicted holding a scroll representing the Magna
Carta.
13) Louis IX of France, who created the Curia Regis (the first appeals court)
14) Hugo Grotius, author of De Jure Belly ac Pacis (Concerning the Law
of War and Peace), the first book of international law.
15) Sir William Blackstone, author of _Commentaries on the Laws of England_
16) John Marshall, fourth Chief Justice of the United States, who created
the whole doctrine of judicial review
17) Napoleon (for the Napoleonic Code)
The frieze also depicts figures denoting "Fame", "Authority", "Wisdom",
"History", "Liberty", the "Rights of Man", "Equity, and "Philosophy".
Moses is right between Hammurabi and Solomon. Just another lawgiver in a long
chain stretching from Menes to Napoleon. He is accorded no more significance
than Muhammad, Confucius, or Justice Marshall. If you're counting "numbers
of lawgivers" in an effort to derive some sort of relative significance,
you'll see that the Jews are represented by 2 figures (Moses and Solomon),
while Greek pagans are represented by 3 (Lycurgus, Solon, and Draco),
as are (horrors!) the French (Charlemagne [okay he's a Frank and is therefore
as much German as French], Louis IX, and Napoleon). Jews *do* get equal billing
with the Brits and the Romans (counting Byzantium as the Eastern Empire),
and come in ahead of the Dutch, the Arabs, the Chinese, and the Americans.
*Your* job, Uncle Samael, is to come up with the punch line to the joke that
begins:
An Egyptian, a Babylonian, 2 Jews, 3 Greeks, 2 Romans (counting
Byzantium as the Eastern Empire), a Chinese man, an Arab, 3
Frenchmen, a Dutchman, 2 Brits and a Yank walked into a
courtroom...
Steve
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| User: "= Vox Populi ©" |
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26 Sep 2003 11:35:23 PM |
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"Steve Gombosi" <sog@niwot.scd.ucar.edu> wrote in message
news:bl29fd$fk7$1@niwot.scd.ucar.edu...
In article <oe36nvkglllrn0p58lg33aqiq06g7kmgid@4ax.com>,
Uncle Samuel <stars@bars> wrote:
The Supreme Court building portrays Moses holding the Ten Commandments
through which the voice of God thunders "Thou shalt not murder."
The "voice of God" is not depicted. Commandments 6 through 10 are
partially legible (in Hebrew, of course) on the tablets carried
by the figure of Moses.
Note that this means that the frieze specifically does *not* include:
Anochi YHVH eloheicha asher hotzeiticha me-eretz
Mitzraim mibeit avadim. Lo yihyeh l'cha elohim
acherim al panai.
I am the Lord your God, that brought you out of the
land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall
have no other gods before me.
namely, the first commandment (and the one which would most
clearly violate the separation of church and state). It also
doesn't depict the commandments regarding the sabbath, idolatry,
or taking the tetragrammaton in vain.
In other words, it omits every single one of the commandments
that describe any religious observation, custom, or regulation
which might conceivably be considered characteristic of the
Judeo-Christian-Islamic religious tradition.
It conveniently begins with "Lo tirtzach", "Don't murder"
a prohibition which is hardly either unique or original
to the Mosaic law.
The Weinman frieze on the Supreme Court building *also* portrays:
1) Menes, First Pharoah of the First Dynasty of Egypt, who unified
Upper and Lower Egypt and promulgated the first legal code for the
kingdom
2) Hammurabi, founder of the Babylonian Empire, who devised the Code of
Hammurabi. It shows him receiving the code from the Babylonian Sun God.
3) Solomon
4) Lycurgus of Sparta, who reformed Sparta's constitution
5) Solon of Athens, who revised the Athenian Constitution in 594 BCE.
6) Draco of Athens, who authored the infamous Draconian Code around 620 BCE
7) Confucius
8) The Emperor Augustus of Rome
9) Justinian, Emperor of Byzantium and author of the Corpus Juris Civilis
10) Muhammad, who is depicted holding the Qu'ran just as Moses is depicted
with the tablets.
11) Charlemagne
12) King John (for being dragged, kicking and screaming, into signing the
Magna Carta). He is depicted holding a scroll representing the Magna
Carta.
13) Louis IX of France, who created the Curia Regis (the first appeals court)
14) Hugo Grotius, author of De Jure Belly ac Pacis (Concerning the Law
of War and Peace), the first book of international law.
15) Sir William Blackstone, author of _Commentaries on the Laws of England_
16) John Marshall, fourth Chief Justice of the United States, who created
the whole doctrine of judicial review
17) Napoleon (for the Napoleonic Code)
The frieze also depicts figures denoting "Fame", "Authority", "Wisdom",
"History", "Liberty", the "Rights of Man", "Equity, and "Philosophy".
Moses is right between Hammurabi and Solomon. Just another lawgiver in a long
chain stretching from Menes to Napoleon. He is accorded no more significance
than Muhammad, Confucius, or Justice Marshall. If you're counting "numbers
of lawgivers" in an effort to derive some sort of relative significance,
you'll see that the Jews are represented by 2 figures (Moses and Solomon),
while Greek pagans are represented by 3 (Lycurgus, Solon, and Draco),
as are (horrors!) the French (Charlemagne [okay he's a Frank and is therefore
as much German as French], Louis IX, and Napoleon). Jews *do* get equal
billing
with the Brits and the Romans (counting Byzantium as the Eastern Empire),
and come in ahead of the Dutch, the Arabs, the Chinese, and the Americans.
*Your* job, Uncle Samael, is to come up with the punch line to the joke that
begins:
An Egyptian, a Babylonian, 2 Jews, 3 Greeks, 2 Romans (counting
Byzantium as the Eastern Empire), a Chinese man, an Arab, 3
Frenchmen, a Dutchman, 2 Brits and a Yank walked into a
courtroom...
Steve
Well done Stevie ... my, have you improved.
Touché!
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