Religions > Atheism > ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~
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07 Oct 2007 02:16:11 AM |
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~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
· Breakthrough could combat global warming
a.. Ed Pilkington in New York
b.. The Guardian
c.. Saturday October 6 2007
Craig Venter, the controversial DNA researcher involved in the race to decipher
the human genetic code, has built a synthetic chromosome out of laboratory
chemicals and is poised to announce the creation of the first new artificial
life form on Earth.
The announcement, which is expected within weeks and could come as early as
Monday at the annual meeting of his scientific institute in San Diego,
California, will herald a giant leap forward in the development of designer
genomes. It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new
species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat
global warming.
Mr Venter told the Guardian he thought this landmark would be "a very important
philosophical step in the history of our species. We are going from reading our
genetic code to the ability to write it. That gives us the hypothetical ability
to do things never contemplated before".
The Guardian can reveal that a team of 20 top scientists assembled by Mr Venter,
led by the Nobel laureate Hamilton Smith, has already constructed a synthetic
chromosome, a feat of virtuoso bio-engineering never previously achieved. Using
lab-made chemicals, they have painstakingly stitched together a chromosome that
is 381 genes long and contains 580,000 base pairs of genetic code.
The DNA sequence is based on the bacterium Mycoplasma genitalium which the team
pared down to the bare essentials needed to support life, removing a fifth of
its genetic make-up. The wholly synthetically reconstructed chromosome, which
the team have christened Mycoplasma laboratorium, has been watermarked with inks
for easy recognition.
It is then transplanted into a living bacterial cell and in the final stage of
the process it is expected to take control of the cell and in effect become a
new life form. The team of scientists has already successfully transplanted the
genome of one type of bacterium into the cell of another, effectively changing
the cell's species. Mr Venter said he was "100% confident" the same technique
would work for the artificially created chromosome.
The new life form will depend for its ability to replicate itself and metabolise
on the molecular machinery of the cell into which it has been injected, and in
that sense it will not be a wholly synthetic life form. However, its DNA will be
artificial, and it is the DNA that controls the cell and is credited with being
the building block of life.
Mr Venter said he had carried out an ethical review before completing the
experiment. "We feel that this is good science," he said. He has further
heightened the controversy surrounding his potential breakthrough by applying
for a patent for the synthetic bacterium.
Pat Mooney, director of a Canadian bioethics organisation, ETC group, said the
move was an enormous challenge to society to debate the risks involved.
"Governments, and society in general, is way behind the ball. This is a wake-up
call - what does it mean to create new life forms in a test-tube?"
He said Mr Venter was creating a "chassis on which you could build almost
anything. It could be a contribution to humanity such as new drugs or a huge
threat to humanity such as bio-weapons".
Mr Venter believes designer genomes have enormous positive potential if properly
regulated. In the long-term, he hopes they could lead to alternative energy
sources previously unthinkable. Bacteria could be created, he speculates, that
could help mop up excessive carbon dioxide, thus contributing to the solution to
global warming, or produce fuels such as butane or propane made entirely from
sugar.
"We are not afraid to take on things that are important just because they
stimulate thinking," he said. "We are dealing in big ideas. We are trying to
create a new value system for life. When dealing at this scale, you can't expect
everybody to be happy."
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead! ~~ |
08 Oct 2007 10:46:07 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:09:00 -0700, Martin Phipps
<martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:08:43 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <Z8GdnT4A55vzI5XanZ2dnUVZ_rvin...@comcast.com>,
David Hartung <dhart...@quixnet.net> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Thank you.
Only God can create life.
And who 'synthesized' your god?
You realize you are having a conversation with a complete ignoramus, no?
That is "a given".
The idiot believes in a sky pixie.
What is weird about these people, is that they are the same people who
are absolutely certain extremely advanced super intelligent aliens do
*NOT* exist, when all the evidence indicates otherwise.
Whaaat?
Even if you believe the subjective evidence of UFOs, how do you know
they are piloted by aliens?
UFO reports are another story entirely. We treat the reports as
evidence, not the actual sightings. I was referring to the bulk of
knowledge of science, and the universality principle, which certainly
has been verified spectroscopically back to early enough in the universe
to be relevant to the discussion of life evolving from metal rich
supernova remnants. In addition to spectroscopic universality there is :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universality_%28dynamical_systems%29
Intelligent life in the universe is a consensus among astrobiologists.
They speak to him even when he has his tin-foil hat on.
It's really quite painful to dumb myself down to your level, so will you
do me a real big favor and call 911 if I suddenly quit posting? Thanks!
I'll hang in with you as long as I can stand the pain of your ignorance.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
09 Oct 2007 11:49:38 AM |
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On Oct 9, 11:46 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:09:00 -0700, Martin Phipps
<martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:08:43 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <Z8GdnT4A55vzI5XanZ2dnUVZ_rvin...@comcast.com>,
David Hartung <dhart...@quixnet.net> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "=C2=A5 UltraMan =C2=A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
=C2=B7 Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Thank you.
Only God can create life.
And who 'synthesized' your god?
You realize you are having a conversation with a complete ignoramus=
, no?
That is "a given".
The idiot believes in a sky pixie.
What is weird about these people, is that they are the same people who
are absolutely certain extremely advanced super intelligent aliens do
*NOT* exist, when all the evidence indicates otherwise.
Whaaat?
Even if you believe the subjective evidence of UFOs, how do you know
they are piloted by aliens?
UFO reports are another story entirely. We treat the reports as
evidence, not the actual sightings. I was referring to the bulk of
knowledge of science, and the universality principle, which certainly
has been verified spectroscopically back to early enough in the universe
to be relevant to the discussion of life evolving from metal rich
supernova remnants. In addition to spectroscopic universality there is :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universality_%28dynamical_systems%29
Intelligent life in the universe is a consensus among astrobiologists.
*****. There is no evidence of intelligent life on other planets.
The fact that life exists on ONE planet (Earth) does NOT mean that
life exists everywhere else or even anywhere else, let alone
intelligent life.
Martin
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| User: "kT" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead! ~~ |
09 Oct 2007 02:02:36 PM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:46 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:09:00 -0700, Martin Phipps
<martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:08:43 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <Z8GdnT4A55vzI5XanZ2dnUVZ_rvin...@comcast.com>,
David Hartung <dhart...@quixnet.net> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Thank you.
Only God can create life.
And who 'synthesized' your god?
You realize you are having a conversation with a complete ignoramus, no?
That is "a given".
The idiot believes in a sky pixie.
What is weird about these people, is that they are the same people who
are absolutely certain extremely advanced super intelligent aliens do
*NOT* exist, when all the evidence indicates otherwise.
Whaaat?
Even if you believe the subjective evidence of UFOs, how do you know
they are piloted by aliens?
UFO reports are another story entirely. We treat the reports as
evidence, not the actual sightings. I was referring to the bulk of
knowledge of science, and the universality principle, which certainly
has been verified spectroscopically back to early enough in the universe
to be relevant to the discussion of life evolving from metal rich
supernova remnants. In addition to spectroscopic universality there is :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universality_%28dynamical_systems%29
Intelligent life in the universe is a consensus among astrobiologists.
*****. There is no evidence
I love it when crackpots say that on the usenet.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
09 Oct 2007 12:22:16 PM |
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On Oct 10, 3:02 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:46 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:09:00 -0700, Martin Phipps
<martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:08:43 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <Z8GdnT4A55vzI5XanZ2dnUVZ_rvin...@comcast.com>,
David Hartung <dhart...@quixnet.net> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
=B7 Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Thank you.
Only God can create life.
And who 'synthesized' your god?
You realize you are having a conversation with a complete ignoram=
us, no?
That is "a given".
The idiot believes in a sky pixie.
What is weird about these people, is that they are the same people =
who
are absolutely certain extremely advanced super intelligent aliens =
do
*NOT* exist, when all the evidence indicates otherwise.
Whaaat?
Even if you believe the subjective evidence of UFOs, how do you know
they are piloted by aliens?
UFO reports are another story entirely. We treat the reports as
evidence, not the actual sightings. I was referring to the bulk of
knowledge of science, and the universality principle, which certainly
has been verified spectroscopically back to early enough in the univer=
se
to be relevant to the discussion of life evolving from metal rich
supernova remnants. In addition to spectroscopic universality there is=
:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universality_%28dynamical_systems%29
Intelligent life in the universe is a consensus among astrobiologists.
*****. There is no evidence
I love it when crackpots say that on the usenet.
Produce some.
Martin
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| User: "kT" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead! ~~ |
09 Oct 2007 03:19:51 PM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 10, 3:02 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:46 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:09:00 -0700, Martin Phipps
<martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:08:43 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <Z8GdnT4A55vzI5XanZ2dnUVZ_rvin...@comcast.com>,
David Hartung <dhart...@quixnet.net> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Thank you.
Only God can create life.
And who 'synthesized' your god?
You realize you are having a conversation with a complete ignoramus, no?
That is "a given".
The idiot believes in a sky pixie.
What is weird about these people, is that they are the same people who
are absolutely certain extremely advanced super intelligent aliens do
*NOT* exist, when all the evidence indicates otherwise.
Whaaat?
Even if you believe the subjective evidence of UFOs, how do you know
they are piloted by aliens?
UFO reports are another story entirely. We treat the reports as
evidence, not the actual sightings. I was referring to the bulk of
knowledge of science, and the universality principle, which certainly
has been verified spectroscopically back to early enough in the universe
to be relevant to the discussion of life evolving from metal rich
supernova remnants. In addition to spectroscopic universality there is :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universality_%28dynamical_systems%29
Intelligent life in the universe is a consensus among astrobiologists.
*****. There is no evidence
I love it when crackpots say that on the usenet.
Produce some.
Wake up and open your eyes, big boy.
The trick is : open your eyes, look at the screen, read the words.
Can't read or write? Learn, and then learn to type keywords into the
search bar. I thought all post Google children knew how to do that.
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
The real fun begins when the crackpots start their mating dance.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
09 Oct 2007 11:16:58 PM |
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On Oct 10, 4:19 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 10, 3:02 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:46 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:09:00 -0700, Martin Phipps
<martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:08:43 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wro=
te:
johac wrote:
In article <Z8GdnT4A55vzI5XanZ2dnUVZ_rvin...@comcast.com>,
David Hartung <dhart...@quixnet.net> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
=B7 Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA=
is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Thank you.
Only God can create life.
And who 'synthesized' your god?
You realize you are having a conversation with a complete ignor=
amus, no?
That is "a given".
The idiot believes in a sky pixie.
What is weird about these people, is that they are the same peopl=
e who
are absolutely certain extremely advanced super intelligent alien=
s do
*NOT* exist, when all the evidence indicates otherwise.
Whaaat?
Even if you believe the subjective evidence of UFOs, how do you kn=
ow
they are piloted by aliens?
UFO reports are another story entirely. We treat the reports as
evidence, not the actual sightings. I was referring to the bulk of
knowledge of science, and the universality principle, which certainly
has been verified spectroscopically back to early enough in the univ=
erse
to be relevant to the discussion of life evolving from metal rich
supernova remnants. In addition to spectroscopic universality there =
is :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universality_%28dynamical_systems%29
Intelligent life in the universe is a consensus among astrobiologist=
s=2E
*****. There is no evidence
I love it when crackpots say that on the usenet.
Produce some.
Wake up and open your eyes, big boy.
The trick is : open your eyes, look at the screen, read the words.
Can't read or write? Learn, and then learn to type keywords into the
search bar. I thought all post Google children knew how to do that.
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
Words on a screen are not evidence. Try again.
The real fun begins when the crackpots start their mating dance.
Indeed. Have you started yours yet?
Martin
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
09 Oct 2007 07:32:53 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:19:51 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 10, 3:02 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:46 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:09:00 -0700, Martin Phipps
<martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:08:43 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <Z8GdnT4A55vzI5XanZ2dnUVZ_rvin...@comcast.com>,
David Hartung <dhart...@quixnet.net> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Thank you.
Only God can create life.
And who 'synthesized' your god?
You realize you are having a conversation with a complete ignoramus, no?
That is "a given".
The idiot believes in a sky pixie.
What is weird about these people, is that they are the same people who
are absolutely certain extremely advanced super intelligent aliens do
*NOT* exist, when all the evidence indicates otherwise.
Whaaat?
Even if you believe the subjective evidence of UFOs, how do you know
they are piloted by aliens?
UFO reports are another story entirely. We treat the reports as
evidence, not the actual sightings. I was referring to the bulk of
knowledge of science, and the universality principle, which certainly
has been verified spectroscopically back to early enough in the universe
to be relevant to the discussion of life evolving from metal rich
supernova remnants. In addition to spectroscopic universality there is :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universality_%28dynamical_systems%29
Intelligent life in the universe is a consensus among astrobiologists.
*****. There is no evidence
I love it when crackpots say that on the usenet.
Produce some.
Wake up and open your eyes, big boy.
The trick is : open your eyes, look at the screen, read the words.
Can't read or write? Learn, and then learn to type keywords into the
search bar. I thought all post Google children knew how to do that.
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "kT" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead! ~~ |
09 Oct 2007 09:43:43 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:19:51 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 10, 3:02 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:46 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:09:00 -0700, Martin Phipps
<martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:08:43 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <Z8GdnT4A55vzI5XanZ2dnUVZ_rvin...@comcast.com>,
David Hartung <dhart...@quixnet.net> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Thank you.
Only God can create life.
And who 'synthesized' your god?
You realize you are having a conversation with a complete ignoramus, no?
That is "a given".
The idiot believes in a sky pixie.
What is weird about these people, is that they are the same people who
are absolutely certain extremely advanced super intelligent aliens do
*NOT* exist, when all the evidence indicates otherwise.
Whaaat?
Even if you believe the subjective evidence of UFOs, how do you know
they are piloted by aliens?
UFO reports are another story entirely. We treat the reports as
evidence, not the actual sightings. I was referring to the bulk of
knowledge of science, and the universality principle, which certainly
has been verified spectroscopically back to early enough in the universe
to be relevant to the discussion of life evolving from metal rich
supernova remnants. In addition to spectroscopic universality there is :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universality_%28dynamical_systems%29
Intelligent life in the universe is a consensus among astrobiologists.
*****. There is no evidence
I love it when crackpots say that on the usenet.
Produce some.
Wake up and open your eyes, big boy.
The trick is : open your eyes, look at the screen, read the words.
Can't read or write? Learn, and then learn to type keywords into the
search bar. I thought all post Google children knew how to do that.
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
Plenty of things don't exist, you've got evidence.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
09 Oct 2007 09:11:29 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
- A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
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| User: "kT" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead! ~~ |
09 Oct 2007 11:19:27 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence, when the probability approaches one in
the limit. That is as wrong as you can get. Skeptics have poor memories.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
09 Oct 2007 11:19:13 PM |
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On Oct 10, 12:19 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
"There is no evidence" means "There is no evidence". If and when
actual aliens come to Earth in their space ships then we will have
evidence.
Martin
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10 Oct 2007 01:28:12 AM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 10, 12:19 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
"There is no evidence" means "There is no evidence". If and when
actual aliens come to Earth in their space ships then we will have
evidence.
So, how will you distinguish that from a very clever hologram?
How can you be sure it's not a hoax? You seem awfully sure actual aliens
will have actual spaceships, one can almost imagine your preconceptions.
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| User: "_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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09 Oct 2007 11:58:43 PM |
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"kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:VwYOi.61$KS3.42@newsfe03.lga...
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 10, 12:19 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
"There is no evidence" means "There is no evidence". If and when
actual aliens come to Earth in their space ships then we will have
evidence.
So, how will you distinguish that from a very clever hologram?
How can you be sure it's not a hoax? You seem awfully sure actual aliens will
have actual spaceships, one can almost imagine your preconceptions.
So where's your evidence of "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens" ?
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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10 Oct 2007 12:15:05 AM |
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On Oct 10, 2:28 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 10, 12:19 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
"There is no evidence" means "There is no evidence". If and when
actual aliens come to Earth in their space ships then we will have
evidence.
So, how will you distinguish that from a very clever hologram?
It's better than nothing.
How can you be sure it's not a hoax? You seem awfully sure actual aliens
will have actual spaceships, one can almost imagine your preconceptions.
What do you suggest? Teleportation?
Martin
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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10 Oct 2007 09:34:46 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate."
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "kT" |
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10 Oct 2007 12:15:42 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we
understand to be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the
universe and our understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets, life on extrasolar planets and
intelligent life in the universe, and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
The nuts win, every time.
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| User: "_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
10 Oct 2007 11:59:23 AM |
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"kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:U%5Pi.26$Z36.15@newsfe02.lga...
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let those
other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we understand to
be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the universe and our
understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
Yet you have posted no evidence, so it seems to all reading this
thread that you are a liar.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets,
Who, besides you, made such an assertion?
That's your strawman, you feed it.
life on extrasolar planets and intelligent life in the universe,
What evidence do you have of "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens"
living on extrasolar planets?
and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
If they were really biologists, astro or otherwise, they would
post and provide actual evidence for their assertions,
if they wanted anyone to believe them.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
Your laughter isn't evidence for "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens".
Post some specific evidence so we can all have a look at your joke.
The nuts win, every time.
If you say so, nutter.
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| User: "kT" |
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| Title: I am an idiot American, what is a search engine and where can I findone? |
10 Oct 2007 02:10:04 PM |
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_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
"kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:U%5Pi.26$Z36.15@newsfe02.lga...
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let those
other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
Sure : http://www.google.com
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we understand to
be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the universe and our
understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
Yet you have posted no evidence, so it seems to all reading this
thread that you are a liar.
I've posted several links to discussions of universality principles
during the course of these so called one sided discussions of the
origins and evolution of life in the universe. So far the only person
discussing it has been me, however.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets,
Who, besides you, made such an assertion?
Everyone who invokes the phrase 'no evidence' in a science discussion.
That's your strawman, you feed it.
life on extrasolar planets and intelligent life in the universe,
What evidence do you have of "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens"
living on extrasolar planets?
Life on Earth, the entire universe which is available for your immediate
inspection, and our entire understanding of it, instantly available for
your perusal on the internet, and numerous spectroscopically confirmed
universality principles, just how many times do I have to repeat that?
and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
If they were really biologists, astro or otherwise, they would
post and provide actual evidence for their assertions,
'Actual evidence'? Who decides what is real or not? A judge?
if they wanted anyone to believe them.
Most rational people don't much care what nuts who constantly invoke the
'no evidence' mantra 'actually' think.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
Your laughter isn't evidence for "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens".
It's just another confirmation of the 'universality principles'.
I can't prove the second law of thermodynamics either.
Post some specific evidence so we can all have a look at your joke.
The nuts win, every time.
If you say so, nutter.
I have said so during the course of these discussions - many times.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: I am an idiot American, what is a search engine and where can I find one? |
10 Oct 2007 07:37:47 PM |
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On Oct 11, 3:10 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
Sure :http://www.google.com
What do you want us to type in? "Evidence intelligent
extraterrestrial life"? Because that's what we asked for.
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we understand to
be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the universe and our
understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
Yet you have posted no evidence, so it seems to all reading this
thread that you are a liar.
I've posted several links to discussions of universality principles
during the course of these so called one sided discussions of the
origins and evolution of life in the universe. So far the only person
discussing it has been me, however.
Did you post links to evidence for intelligent extraterrestrial life?
Because that's what we asked for.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets,
Who, besides you, made such an assertion?
Everyone who invokes the phrase 'no evidence' in a science discussion.
Evidence of extrasolar planets is not evidence of extraterrestrial
life.
Think of it this way: suppose someone gets murdered. What are you
going to do? Arrest everybody in the phone book on suspicion of
murder? You need to gather evidence before you make an arrest. In
this case, you would have to examine the body and the crime scene to
find evidence linking somebody to the murder. Similarly, you can't
argue that every extrasolar planet is "evidence" of intelligent
extraterrestrial life because you don't have an evidence to show that
these planets actually have life, let alone intelligent life.
That's your strawman, you feed it.
life on extrasolar planets and intelligent life in the universe,
What evidence do you have of "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens"
living on extrasolar planets?
Life on Earth, the entire universe which is available for your immediate
inspection, and our entire understanding of it, instantly available for
your perusal on the internet, and numerous spectroscopically confirmed
universality principles, just how many times do I have to repeat that?
How amny times do we have to repeat that the existance of life here on
Earth is not evidence for life on other planets?
and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
If they were really biologists, astro or otherwise, they would
post and provide actual evidence for their assertions,
'Actual evidence'? Who decides what is real or not? A judge?
In this case, actual biologists and astrophysicists. There aren't
really any "astrobiologists", kT, because all life as we know it has
come from the Earth and not from the stars. You've been reading too
much science fiction.
if they wanted anyone to believe them.
Most rational people don't much care what nuts who constantly invoke the
'no evidence' mantra 'actually' think.
I think you would change your tune pretty quickly if YOU were accused
of murder. "There's no evidence!" you would scream. Guaranteed.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
Your laughter isn't evidence for "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens".
It's just another confirmation of the 'universality principles'.
Laughter is? Your laughter just proves you're a loon.
I can't prove the second law of thermodynamics either.
No but you can provide evidence for it. Do you understand the
difference? Probably not.
Post some specific evidence so we can all have a look at your joke.
The nuts win, every time.
If you say so, nutter.
I have said so during the course of these discussions - many times.
Saying something doesn't make it so.
Martin
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| User: "kT" |
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10 Oct 2007 11:57:46 PM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 3:10 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
Sure :http://www.google.com
What do you want us to type in?
I usually type in keywords.
Since you appear to be an idiot, I've simply ignored the rest of your
post because surely there wasn't anything significant to address.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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10 Oct 2007 10:54:59 PM |
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On Oct 11, 12:57 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 3:10 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
Sure :http://www.google.com
What do you want us to type in?
I usually type in keywords.
Fine. I typed in "keywords" and it led me to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Keyword
Since you appear to be an idiot, I've simply ignored the rest of your
post because surely there wasn't anything significant to address.
Good. So now you admit that you're the ignorant one. That's
progress.
Martin
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11 Oct 2007 02:55:04 AM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:10:04 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
"kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:U%5Pi.26$Z36.15@newsfe02.lga...
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let those
other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
Sure : http://www.google.com
I note with some disinterest that you are remaining loyal to the title
of this thread.
You *are* an idiot.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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10 Oct 2007 12:55:42 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:10:04 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
Sure : http://www.google.com
Universality principle is a controversial principle in *international
law* which deals with *criminal jurisdiction*. It has nothing to do
with astrobiology.
I've posted several links to discussions of universality principles
Which have nothing to do with the subject.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets,
Who, besides you, made such an assertion?
Everyone who invokes the phrase 'no evidence' in a science discussion.
You don't understand the difference between 'planet' and
'intelligence'?
life on extrasolar planets and intelligent life in the universe,
What evidence do you have of "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens"
living on extrasolar planets?
Life on Earth, the entire universe which is available for your immediate
inspection, and our entire understanding of it, instantly available for
your perusal on the internet
Lead you to the CONCLUSION that there are 'extremely advanced super
intelligent aliens'. How about ACTUAL EVIDENCE of those aliens? Like
the name of the star their home planet circles?
and numerous spectroscopically confirmed universality principles
How do you 'spectroscopically confirm' a legal principle?
just how many times do I have to repeat that?
Once was two times too many.
and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
If they were really biologists, astro or otherwise, they would
post and provide actual evidence for their assertions,
'Actual evidence'? Who decides what is real or not? A judge?
So you CAN'T post links to claims by actual astrobiologists that there
are known 'extremely advanced super intelligent aliens'?
Your laughter isn't evidence for "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens".
It's just another confirmation of the 'universality principles'.
You learned a new phrase - 'universality principles'. How cute. In
how many years do you reach puberty?
I can't prove the second law of thermodynamics either.
Scientific theories don't get proved, but they're based on objective
evidence. Your claim is based on your opinion.
Post some specific evidence so we can all have a look at your joke.
None, huh?
I have said so during the course of these discussions - many times.
You just haven't provided any actual evidence to back up what you say
- which is the only thing that really matters.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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10 Oct 2007 03:40:01 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:10:04 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
Sure : http://www.google.com
Universality principle is a controversial principle in *international
law* which deals with *criminal jurisdiction*. It has nothing to do
with astrobiology.
Cus you said so, on the usenet. I can find at least half a dozen
universality principles in even a cursory search, the relevant
universality principles being spectroscopic and statistical.
I've posted several links to discussions of universality principles
Which have nothing to do with the subject.
You kooks really like 'no', 'none' and 'nothing'.
Do you even believe the universe exists at all?
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets,
Who, besides you, made such an assertion?
Everyone who invokes the phrase 'no evidence' in a science discussion.
You don't understand the difference between 'planet' and
'intelligence'?
I understand that the same people that were saying 'no evidence' for
extrasolar planets are the same people that are now saying no evidence
for extrasolar life, and were the same people saying 'no evidence' for
continental drift and a host of other things that are now taken as self
evident. I have great faith in skepticism as an utterly failed paradigm.
life on extrasolar planets and intelligent life in the universe,
What evidence do you have of "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens"
living on extrasolar planets?
Life on Earth, the entire universe which is available for your immediate
inspection, and our entire understanding of it, instantly available for
your perusal on the internet
Lead you to the CONCLUSION that there are 'extremely advanced super
intelligent aliens'. How about ACTUAL EVIDENCE of those aliens?
Who's job is it to say that evidence or 'actual' or not?
Like the name of the star their home planet circles?
All stars have to have names. Everybody knows that.
and numerous spectroscopically confirmed universality principles
How do you 'spectroscopically confirm' a legal principle?
Your ignorance is astonishing. There must be some sort of structural or
biochemical basis for it.
just how many times do I have to repeat that?
Once was two times too many.
and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
If they were really biologists, astro or otherwise, they would
post and provide actual evidence for their assertions,
But first we have to have a long and protracted debate on the meaning of
'actual'.
'Actual evidence'? Who decides what is real or not? A judge?
So you CAN'T post links to claims by actual astrobiologists that there
are known 'extremely advanced super intelligent aliens'?
I can't see an actual atom either. So sad.
Your laughter isn't evidence for "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens".
It's just another confirmation of the 'universality principles'.
You learned a new phrase - 'universality principles'. How cute. In
how many years do you reach puberty?
I reached it when I learned the meaning of 'ridicule'.
I can't prove the second law of thermodynamics either.
Scientific theories don't get proved, but they're based on objective
evidence. Your claim is based on your opinion.
It is my opinion that thermodynamics is a viable theory, and it is also
my opinion that, given the spectroscopic and statistical evidence of
universality of physical laws (within the timeframe relevant to the
origin and evolution of life from metal rich supernova remnants) I have
every reason to believe that thermodynamics operates around nearby stars
much in the same way it operates here. Ditto other physical principles.
Thus life and intelligence (whatever that is) certainly is widespread
throughout the universe.
Post some specific evidence so we can all have a look at your joke.
None, huh?
I have said so during the course of these discussions - many times.
You just haven't provided any actual evidence to back up what you say
Sure I have - universality principles in the observable universe.
You claim universality is a legal principle alone, which is ludicrous.
- which is the only thing that really matters.
Yes, henceforth, all evidence must be 'actual' - so declared by some guy
named Al Klein on the usenet. Aliens everywhere are suitably impressed.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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10 Oct 2007 07:42:11 PM |
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On Oct 11, 4:40 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:10:04 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
Sure :http://www.google.com
Universality principle is a controversial principle in *international
law* which deals with *criminal jurisdiction*. It has nothing to do
with astrobiology.
Cus you said so, on the usenet. I can find at least half a dozen
universality principles in even a cursory search, the relevant
universality principles being spectroscopic and statistical.
I've posted several links to discussions of universality principles
Which have nothing to do with the subject.
You kooks really like 'no', 'none' and 'nothing'.
Do you even believe the universe exists at all?
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets,
Who, besides you, made such an assertion?
Everyone who invokes the phrase 'no evidence' in a science discussion.
You don't understand the difference between 'planet' and
'intelligence'?
I understand that the same people that were saying 'no evidence' for
extrasolar planets are the same people that are now saying no evidence
for extrasolar life, and were the same people saying 'no evidence' for
continental drift and a host of other things that are now taken as self
evident. I have great faith in skepticism as an utterly failed paradigm.
But they were RIGHT. Until you have evidence there is no evidence.
Doesn't mean there never will be any.
life on extrasolar planets and intelligent life in the universe,
What evidence do you have of "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens"
living on extrasolar planets?
Life on Earth, the entire universe which is available for your immediate
inspection, and our entire understanding of it, instantly available for
your perusal on the internet
Lead you to the CONCLUSION that there are 'extremely advanced super
intelligent aliens'. How about ACTUAL EVIDENCE of those aliens?
Who's job is it to say that evidence or 'actual' or not?
Like the name of the star their home planet circles?
All stars have to have names. Everybody knows that.
Actually most of them just have numbers. And what about the ones that
simply haven't been observed?
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Martin
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10 Oct 2007 11:56:45 PM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 4:40 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:10:04 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
Sure :http://www.google.com
Universality principle is a controversial principle in *international
law* which deals with *criminal jurisdiction*. It has nothing to do
with astrobiology.
Cus you said so, on the usenet. I can find at least half a dozen
universality principles in even a cursory search, the relevant
universality principles being spectroscopic and statistical.
I've posted several links to discussions of universality principles
Which have nothing to do with the subject.
You kooks really like 'no', 'none' and 'nothing'.
Do you even believe the universe exists at all?
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets,
Who, besides you, made such an assertion?
Everyone who invokes the phrase 'no evidence' in a science discussion.
You don't understand the difference between 'planet' and
'intelligence'?
I understand that the same people that were saying 'no evidence' for
extrasolar planets are the same people that are now saying no evidence
for extrasolar life, and were the same people saying 'no evidence' for
continental drift and a host of other things that are now taken as self
evident. I have great faith in skepticism as an utterly failed paradigm.
But they were RIGHT. Until you have evidence there is no evidence.
Doesn't mean there never will be any.
life on extrasolar planets and intelligent life in the universe,
What evidence do you have of "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens"
living on extrasolar planets?
Life on Earth, the entire universe which is available for your immediate
inspection, and our entire understanding of it, instantly available for
your perusal on the internet
Lead you to the CONCLUSION that there are 'extremely advanced super
intelligent aliens'. How about ACTUAL EVIDENCE of those aliens?
Who's job is it to say that evidence or 'actual' or not?
Like the name of the star their home planet circles?
All stars have to have names. Everybody knows that.
Actually most of them just have numbers.
Really, and you have a handle on most of the stars in the universe?
You're too stupid even to recognize satire, and that's most of what I've
been doing here. Rabid skeptics are so easy marks. Much easier than
creationists, and I mean that in the most demeaning manner.
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10 Oct 2007 10:52:26 PM |
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On Oct 11, 12:56 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 4:40 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:10:04 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
Sure :http://www.google.com
Universality principle is a controversial principle in *international
law* which deals with *criminal jurisdiction*. It has nothing to do
with astrobiology.
Cus you said so, on the usenet. I can find at least half a dozen
universality principles in even a cursory search, the relevant
universality principles being spectroscopic and statistical.
I've posted several links to discussions of universality principles
Which have nothing to do with the subject.
You kooks really like 'no', 'none' and 'nothing'.
Do you even believe the universe exists at all?
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets,
Who, besides you, made such an assertion?
Everyone who invokes the phrase 'no evidence' in a science discussion.
You don't understand the difference between 'planet' and
'intelligence'?
I understand that the same people that were saying 'no evidence' for
extrasolar planets are the same people that are now saying no evidence
for extrasolar life, and were the same people saying 'no evidence' for
continental drift and a host of other things that are now taken as self
evident. I have great faith in skepticism as an utterly failed paradigm.
But they were RIGHT. Until you have evidence there is no evidence.
Doesn't mean there never will be any.
life on extrasolar planets and intelligent life in the universe,
What evidence do you have of "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens"
living on extrasolar planets?
Life on Earth, the entire universe which is available for your immediate
inspection, and our entire understanding of it, instantly available for
your perusal on the internet
Lead you to the CONCLUSION that there are 'extremely advanced super
intelligent aliens'. How about ACTUAL EVIDENCE of those aliens?
Who's job is it to say that evidence or 'actual' or not?
Like the name of the star their home planet circles?
All stars have to have names. Everybody knows that.
Actually most of them just have numbers.
Really, and you have a handle on most of the stars in the universe?
People name stars. Do you think stars are given names by their
mommies?
You're too stupid even to recognize satire, and that's most of what I've
been doing here.
It's so hard to tell. So you were only kidding about believing that
there's actual evidence of "superintelligent beings" from other
planets?
Rabid skeptics are so easy marks. Much easier than
creationists, and I mean that in the most demeaning manner.
Creationists consider themselves to be skeptics with regard to
evolution but, in reality, they dogmatically believe in creationism
and even claim that there is evidence for it. You are the same in
that you dogmatically believe in superintelligent extraterrestrial
life and even claim to have evidence. Just like creationists, you
refuse to show any evidence for your claims even as you continue to
claim that it is there to be found if we would just bother to look for
it. Put up or shut up.
Martin
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11 Oct 2007 09:09:15 AM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:52:26 -0700, Martin Phipps
<phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:56 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 4:40 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
All stars have to have names. Everybody knows that.
Actually most of them just have numbers.
Really, and you have a handle on most of the stars in the universe?
People name stars. Do you think stars are given names by their
mommies?
There are, in fact, many lists of stars.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_catalogue>
You're too stupid even to recognize satire, and that's most of what I've
been doing here.
It's so hard to tell. So you were only kidding about believing that
there's actual evidence of "superintelligent beings" from other
planets?
I smell rapid backpedalling.
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
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10 Oct 2007 01:56:49 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:40:01 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:10:04 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
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