Religions > Atheism > ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~
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~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
· Breakthrough could combat global warming
a.. Ed Pilkington in New York
b.. The Guardian
c.. Saturday October 6 2007
Craig Venter, the controversial DNA researcher involved in the race to decipher
the human genetic code, has built a synthetic chromosome out of laboratory
chemicals and is poised to announce the creation of the first new artificial
life form on Earth.
The announcement, which is expected within weeks and could come as early as
Monday at the annual meeting of his scientific institute in San Diego,
California, will herald a giant leap forward in the development of designer
genomes. It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new
species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat
global warming.
Mr Venter told the Guardian he thought this landmark would be "a very important
philosophical step in the history of our species. We are going from reading our
genetic code to the ability to write it. That gives us the hypothetical ability
to do things never contemplated before".
The Guardian can reveal that a team of 20 top scientists assembled by Mr Venter,
led by the Nobel laureate Hamilton Smith, has already constructed a synthetic
chromosome, a feat of virtuoso bio-engineering never previously achieved. Using
lab-made chemicals, they have painstakingly stitched together a chromosome that
is 381 genes long and contains 580,000 base pairs of genetic code.
The DNA sequence is based on the bacterium Mycoplasma genitalium which the team
pared down to the bare essentials needed to support life, removing a fifth of
its genetic make-up. The wholly synthetically reconstructed chromosome, which
the team have christened Mycoplasma laboratorium, has been watermarked with inks
for easy recognition.
It is then transplanted into a living bacterial cell and in the final stage of
the process it is expected to take control of the cell and in effect become a
new life form. The team of scientists has already successfully transplanted the
genome of one type of bacterium into the cell of another, effectively changing
the cell's species. Mr Venter said he was "100% confident" the same technique
would work for the artificially created chromosome.
The new life form will depend for its ability to replicate itself and metabolise
on the molecular machinery of the cell into which it has been injected, and in
that sense it will not be a wholly synthetic life form. However, its DNA will be
artificial, and it is the DNA that controls the cell and is credited with being
the building block of life.
Mr Venter said he had carried out an ethical review before completing the
experiment. "We feel that this is good science," he said. He has further
heightened the controversy surrounding his potential breakthrough by applying
for a patent for the synthetic bacterium.
Pat Mooney, director of a Canadian bioethics organisation, ETC group, said the
move was an enormous challenge to society to debate the risks involved.
"Governments, and society in general, is way behind the ball. This is a wake-up
call - what does it mean to create new life forms in a test-tube?"
He said Mr Venter was creating a "chassis on which you could build almost
anything. It could be a contribution to humanity such as new drugs or a huge
threat to humanity such as bio-weapons".
Mr Venter believes designer genomes have enormous positive potential if properly
regulated. In the long-term, he hopes they could lead to alternative energy
sources previously unthinkable. Bacteria could be created, he speculates, that
could help mop up excessive carbon dioxide, thus contributing to the solution to
global warming, or produce fuels such as butane or propane made entirely from
sugar.
"We are not afraid to take on things that are important just because they
stimulate thinking," he said. "We are dealing in big ideas. We are trying to
create a new value system for life. When dealing at this scale, you can't expect
everybody to be happy."
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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10 Oct 2007 07:56:32 PM |
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On Oct 11, 5:11 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
We have spectroscopically confirmed a universality principle on ever
star we have examined, therefore life and intelligence in the universe
is a certainty. Given the size and age of the universe, and our
understanding of it, 'widespread' doesn't even begin to describe it.
The sheer number of stars similar to our sun does not prove that any
of them have life any more than you can conclude that the love of your
life is somewhere out there amongst the millions of single women
living in the US. It's possible that you're such a loser that nobody
would want you: the fact that there are millions of single women out
there is no evidence that any of them are interested in you.
Similarly, it is possible, however unlikely you may think that is,
that we are alone.
I can't see an actual atom either.
You're blind? Science has seen many actual atoms.
Show me a nucleus. All we can do is shoot particles at them.
And how do you see ANYTHING? You see the particles (photons)
reflected off of them. We do the same thing with atoms except the
photons need to be x-ray photons: photons of light do not have enough
energy to reflect off of a single atom.
All science is opinion. That is why it is published and open to debate.
Not true. Science relies on evidence and evidence is open to the
interpretation of experts and not the opinions of amateurs.
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Martin
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| User: "kT" |
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10 Oct 2007 11:54:35 PM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 5:11 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
We have spectroscopically confirmed a universality principle on ever
star we have examined, therefore life and intelligence in the universe
is a certainty. Given the size and age of the universe, and our
understanding of it, 'widespread' doesn't even begin to describe it.
The sheer number of stars similar to our sun does not prove
Who said 'proof'? Not me. I said 'evidence'.
The 'evidence' is so overwhelming that you'd simply have to be lazy or
uneducated to ignore it. And ignore it is exactly what you 'no evidence'
folks are good at. You are not the kind of people that make discoveries.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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10 Oct 2007 10:33:22 PM |
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On Oct 11, 12:54 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 5:11 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
We have spectroscopically confirmed a universality principle on ever
star we have examined, therefore life and intelligence in the universe
is a certainty. Given the size and age of the universe, and our
understanding of it, 'widespread' doesn't even begin to describe it.
The sheer number of stars similar to our sun does not prove
Who said 'proof'? Not me. I said 'evidence'.
Fine. The sheer number of stars similar to our sun does not
constitute evidence of intelligent extraterrestrial life.
The 'evidence' is so overwhelming that you'd simply have to be lazy or
uneducated to ignore it.
Assertion. You haven't presented any evidence to ignore.
And ignore it is exactly what you 'no evidence'
folks are good at. You are not the kind of people that make discoveries.
Until evidence is discovered there is no evidence. You people who
claim there is evidence when there is no evidence are not the ones who
make discoveries. Discoveries are made by people who actually look
for evidence and not just simply say it already exists.
Martin
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| User: "kT" |
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11 Oct 2007 12:35:51 AM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:54 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 5:11 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
We have spectroscopically confirmed a universality principle on ever
star we have examined, therefore life and intelligence in the universe
is a certainty. Given the size and age of the universe, and our
understanding of it, 'widespread' doesn't even begin to describe it.
The sheer number of stars similar to our sun does not prove
Who said 'proof'? Not me. I said 'evidence'.
Fine.
No, it's not fine. If you can't distinguish evidence from proof it's not
even worth discussing their nuances with you. You are a top level fool.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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11 Oct 2007 09:06:04 AM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:33:22 -0700, Martin Phipps
<phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
Until evidence is discovered there is no evidence.
Technically, whether we've discovered it or not, if it exists it's
there. But, in the sense you mean it - "until evidence is discovered
we have no evidence" - you're completely correct.
You people who
claim there is evidence when there is no evidence are not the ones who
make discoveries. Discoveries are made by people who actually look
for evidence and not just simply say it already exists.
And much of it is discovered by people who AREN'T looking *for
evidence* of something, they're just looking to see what's there.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never
stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and
neither do we"
- George W. Bush - Aug 5, 2004
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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10 Oct 2007 10:57:35 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:56:32 -0700, Martin Phipps
<phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
And how do you see ANYTHING? You see the particles (photons)
reflected off of them. We do the same thing with atoms except the
photons need to be x-ray photons: photons of light do not have enough
energy to reflect off of a single atom.
Actually, Martin, the problem with seeing atoms with visible light is
that the wavelength of visible light is larger than the atom, and the
radiation you "see" with has to have a wavelength shorter than what
you're seeing. The longer the wavelength, the larger the minimum size
detail you can see.
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father, mother, wife, brothers,
and sisters and even himself, he cannot be my disciple."
- Luke 14:26
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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11 Oct 2007 12:18:28 AM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:57:35 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:56:32 -0700, Martin Phipps
<phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
And how do you see ANYTHING? You see the particles (photons)
reflected off of them. We do the same thing with atoms except the
photons need to be x-ray photons: photons of light do not have enough
energy to reflect off of a single atom.
Actually, Martin, the problem with seeing atoms with visible light is
that the wavelength of visible light is larger than the atom, and the
radiation you "see" with has to have a wavelength shorter than what
you're seeing. The longer the wavelength, the larger the minimum size
detail you can see.
Both Martin and you are correct.
Shorter wavelengths mean more energy per photon (and a higher
frequency).
The 3 assertions are exact equivalents.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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10 Oct 2007 06:29:53 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:55:42 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:10:04 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Do you have a cite to this "Universality principle" ?
Sure : http://www.google.com
Universality principle is a controversial principle in *international
law* which deals with *criminal jurisdiction*. It has nothing to do
with astrobiology.
I've posted several links to discussions of universality principles
Which have nothing to do with the subject.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets,
Who, besides you, made such an assertion?
Everyone who invokes the phrase 'no evidence' in a science discussion.
You don't understand the difference between 'planet' and
'intelligence'?
Whoa there!
He doesn't even understand "intelligence"!
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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10 Oct 2007 07:16:25 PM |
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On Oct 11, 1:15 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Oh and I suppose universality also guarantees that there is another
planet out there with people just like us named Al, Michael, Jonez,
Martin and kT all having this exact same argument, huh? Universality
does not even guarantee life on other planets, let alone intelligent
life, it just makes it extremely easy to believe it _could_ be out
there. But so what?
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets,
Lie. Strawman.
moons around extrasolar planets,
I don't believe there is. Again, so what? Do you think there is life
on Earth because Earth has a moon???
Martin
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| User: "kT" |
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10 Oct 2007 11:59:55 PM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:15 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Oh and I suppose universality also guarantees that there is another
planet out there with people just like us named Al, Michael, Jonez,
Martin and kT all having this exact same argument, huh?
No, just monsters of every conceivable variety.
Have you spent any time underwater at all?
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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10 Oct 2007 10:57:35 PM |
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On Oct 11, 12:59 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:15 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Oh and I suppose universality also guarantees that there is another
planet out there with people just like us named Al, Michael, Jonez,
Martin and kT all having this exact same argument, huh?
No, just monsters of every conceivable variety.
You read too much science fiction.
Martin
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11 Oct 2007 10:40:42 AM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:59 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:15 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Oh and I suppose universality also guarantees that there is another
planet out there with people just like us named Al, Michael, Jonez,
Martin and kT all having this exact same argument, huh?
No, just monsters of every conceivable variety.
You read too much science fiction.
No, I swim in the crystal clear waters of the Bahama banks every chance
I get. When I'm not typing keywords into the search bar and reading
scientific papers that is. You should try it, you might learn something.
But that would be contrary to your scientific specialty : ignorance.
http://arxiv.org/
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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12 Oct 2007 04:40:06 AM |
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On Oct 11, 11:40 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:59 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:15 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Oh and I suppose universality also guarantees that there is another
planet out there with people just like us named Al, Michael, Jonez,
Martin and kT all having this exact same argument, huh?
No, just monsters of every conceivable variety.
You read too much science fiction.
No, I swim in the crystal clear waters of the Bahama banks every chance
I get. When I'm not typing keywords into the search bar and reading
scientific papers that is.
Please. Anybody can read a scientific paper. How many have you
actually written? You're claiming to be an expert after all.
Martin
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| User: "kT" |
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12 Oct 2007 09:18:17 AM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:40 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:59 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:15 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Oh and I suppose universality also guarantees that there is another
planet out there with people just like us named Al, Michael, Jonez,
Martin and kT all having this exact same argument, huh?
No, just monsters of every conceivable variety.
You read too much science fiction.
No, I swim in the crystal clear waters of the Bahama banks every chance
I get. When I'm not typing keywords into the search bar and reading
scientific papers that is.
Please. Anybody can read a scientific paper. How many have you
actually written? You're claiming to be an expert after all.
A few. I applied the BCS-BOSE model to chemistry, before the BCS-BOSE
model was even fashionable, before we had even detected the psuedogap in
the cuprates, with the inevitable stunning results. I was thus easily
able to understand the previously mysterious behavior of certain molten
metal salt solutions, that certainly will have interesting applications.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
12 Oct 2007 07:29:07 PM |
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On Oct 12, 10:18 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:40 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:59 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:15 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Oh and I suppose universality also guarantees that there is another
planet out there with people just like us named Al, Michael, Jonez,
Martin and kT all having this exact same argument, huh?
No, just monsters of every conceivable variety.
You read too much science fiction.
No, I swim in the crystal clear waters of the Bahama banks every chance
I get. When I'm not typing keywords into the search bar and reading
scientific papers that is.
Please. Anybody can read a scientific paper. How many have you
actually written? You're claiming to be an expert after all.
A few.
Then you should know better than to assert that something is true and
then get upset when people tell you that you have the onue to provide
evidence.
Martin
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| User: "kT" |
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12 Oct 2007 09:38:50 PM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 12, 10:18 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:40 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:59 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:15 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Oh and I suppose universality also guarantees that there is another
planet out there with people just like us named Al, Michael, Jonez,
Martin and kT all having this exact same argument, huh?
No, just monsters of every conceivable variety.
You read too much science fiction.
No, I swim in the crystal clear waters of the Bahama banks every chance
I get. When I'm not typing keywords into the search bar and reading
scientific papers that is.
Please. Anybody can read a scientific paper. How many have you
actually written? You're claiming to be an expert after all.
A few.
Then you should know better than to assert that something is true and
then get upset when people tell you that you have the onue to provide
evidence.
But I derive great enjoyment with poking alien skeptics with sticks,
since they have nothing to offer into the conversation, and continue to
claim there's no evidence for the universe as we know and understand it.
Skeptics are the galactic equivalent of shellfish. You have very hard
skulls, but there is nothing much there except slime and white meat.
Just as soon as you have some evidence of anything at all, let alone
intelligent life in the universe, give us a call. We won't be waiting.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
13 Oct 2007 04:48:22 AM |
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On Oct 13, 10:38 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 12, 10:18 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:40 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:59 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:15 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Oh and I suppose universality also guarantees that there is another
planet out there with people just like us named Al, Michael, Jonez,
Martin and kT all having this exact same argument, huh?
No, just monsters of every conceivable variety.
You read too much science fiction.
No, I swim in the crystal clear waters of the Bahama banks every chance
I get. When I'm not typing keywords into the search bar and reading
scientific papers that is.
Please. Anybody can read a scientific paper. How many have you
actually written? You're claiming to be an expert after all.
A few.
Then you should know better than to assert that something is true and
then get upset when people tell you that you have the onus to provide
evidence.
But
Uh uh. No buts. Either you follow the scientific method or you
don't. The onus is always on the one making the extraordinary claim
to provide evidence.
I derive great enjoyment with poking alien skeptics with sticks,
Which is apparently what you choose to do rather than actually address
the issue.
since they have nothing to offer into the conversation, and continue to
claim there's no evidence for the universe as we know and understand it.
The universe as we know and understand it does not necessarily include
supremely intelligent alien species. It is entirely possible that we
are alone. What is your evidence to the contrary? We are still
waiting.
Skeptics are the galactic equivalent of shellfish. You have very hard
skulls, but there is nothing much there except slime and white meat.
Yes, but we use this "slime and white meat" to think with. It's
called a brain. You should try using yours more often. When was the
last time you did? A mind is a terrible thing to put to waste, you
know.
Just as soon as you have some evidence of anything at all, let alone
intelligent life in the universe, give us a call. We won't be waiting.
We have evidence of intelligent life on this planet but we have yet to
see any evidence of it coming from you.
Martin
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12 Oct 2007 07:30:38 PM |
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On Oct 13, 8:29 am, Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 12, 10:18 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:40 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:59 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:15 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Oh and I suppose universality also guarantees that there is another
planet out there with people just like us named Al, Michael, Jonez,
Martin and kT all having this exact same argument, huh?
No, just monsters of every conceivable variety.
You read too much science fiction.
No, I swim in the crystal clear waters of the Bahama banks every chance
I get. When I'm not typing keywords into the search bar and reading
scientific papers that is.
Please. Anybody can read a scientific paper. How many have you
actually written? You're claiming to be an expert after all.
A few.
Then you should know better than to assert that something is true and
then get upset when people tell you that you have the onue to provide
evidence.
onus
Martin
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
11 Oct 2007 01:42:10 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:57:35 -0700, Martin Phipps
<phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:59 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:15 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Oh and I suppose universality also guarantees that there is another
planet out there with people just like us named Al, Michael, Jonez,
Martin and kT all having this exact same argument, huh?
No, just monsters of every conceivable variety.
You read too much science fiction.
He's read too much fantasy and not enough science, fact or fiction.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be under-
stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
- 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
10 Oct 2007 10:16:33 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:16:25 -0700, Martin Phipps
<phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:15 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
Oh and I suppose universality also guarantees that there is another
planet out there with people just like us named Al, Michael, Jonez,
Martin and kT all having this exact same argument, huh? Universality
does not even guarantee life on other planets, let alone intelligent
life, it just makes it extremely easy to believe it _could_ be out
there. But so what?
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets,
Lie. Strawman.
moons around extrasolar planets,
I don't believe there is. Again, so what? Do you think there is life
on Earth because Earth has a moon???
You'll have to wait for the anti-psychotic drugs to kick in before you
will can expect a coherent response.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
11 Oct 2007 01:41:37 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:46:33 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:16:25 -0700, Martin Phipps
<phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there is. Again, so what? Do you think there is life
on Earth because Earth has a moon???
You'll have to wait for the anti-psychotic drugs to kick in before you
will can expect a coherent response.
But there actually may be something to that idea - tides, and all.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
- A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
10 Oct 2007 12:47:02 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:15:42 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
That's your opinion, not evidence.
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we
understand to be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the
universe and our understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
Anyone who claims that his (very shaky) opinion is evidence isn't a
challenge.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets, life on extrasolar planets and
intelligent life in the universe, and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
Astrobiologists (people who actually have degrees and experience in
the field of astrobiology) don't claim that it's obvious that there's
intelligent extraterrestrial life. Only morons do.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
Theists look around them and laugh at claims that there's no evidence
that their god exists. And they're still morons.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"Does it ever amaze anyone else how little faith some heterosexuals have
in heterosexuality? It's supposed to be this god-given human instinct
that only the warped and perverted ever stray from; but, it seems, if we
once tell our straight children a message even as mild as "some people
are gay, and that's all right," that'll be enough to send lil' Suzy into
the arms of women forever. It's a wonder the race has survived this
long, really..."
- Charles M Seaton (21 Dec 1994)
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
10 Oct 2007 04:37:47 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:47:02 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:15:42 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
That's your opinion, not evidence.
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we
understand to be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the
universe and our understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
Anyone who claims that his (very shaky) opinion is evidence isn't a
challenge.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets, life on extrasolar planets and
intelligent life in the universe, and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
Astrobiologists (people who actually have degrees and experience in
the field of astrobiology) don't claim that it's obvious that there's
intelligent extraterrestrial life. Only morons do.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
Theists look around them and laugh at claims that there's no evidence
that their god exists. And they're still morons.
Is it too early to nominate this guy for KOTM? <G>
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| User: "_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
10 Oct 2007 05:28:48 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:8hhqg3psitls23elkhqacs92mli0c34ls1@4ax.com...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:47:02 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:15:42 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in
their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
That's your opinion, not evidence.
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we
understand to be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the
universe and our understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
Anyone who claims that his (very shaky) opinion is evidence isn't a
challenge.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets, life on extrasolar planets and
intelligent life in the universe, and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
Astrobiologists (people who actually have degrees and experience in
the field of astrobiology) don't claim that it's obvious that there's
intelligent extraterrestrial life. Only morons do.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
Theists look around them and laugh at claims that there's no evidence
that their god exists. And they're still morons.
Is it too early to nominate this guy for KOTM? <G>
Wait a little and make it KOTY
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| User: "kT" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead! ~~ |
10 Oct 2007 07:34:24 PM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:47:02 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:15:42 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
That's your opinion, not evidence.
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we
understand to be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the
universe and our understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
Anyone who claims that his (very shaky) opinion is evidence isn't a
challenge.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets, life on extrasolar planets and
intelligent life in the universe, and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
Astrobiologists (people who actually have degrees and experience in
the field of astrobiology) don't claim that it's obvious that there's
intelligent extraterrestrial life. Only morons do.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
Theists look around them and laugh at claims that there's no evidence
that their god exists. And they're still morons.
We're not talking about the nonexistent unknowable, we're talking about
things that we have clear examples of, in a universe that is vast, where
we generally have a good idea of most of the relevant concepts.
I suggest you start here (Wow, I just found out James Kay died!) :
http://www.nesh.ca/jameskay/www.fes.uwaterloo.ca/u/jjkay/pubs/thesis/a1.pdf
Is it too early to nominate this guy for KOTM? <G>
Go right ahead. It won't grow you any more glial cells.
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| User: "_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
10 Oct 2007 06:03:25 PM |
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"kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:crcPi.92$oJ3.24@newsfe06.lga...
John Baker wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:47:02 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:15:42 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in
their native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is
dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
That's your opinion, not evidence.
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we understand
to be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the universe and our
understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
Anyone who claims that his (very shaky) opinion is evidence isn't a
challenge.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets, life on extrasolar planets and
intelligent life in the universe, and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
Astrobiologists (people who actually have degrees and experience in
the field of astrobiology) don't claim that it's obvious that there's
intelligent extraterrestrial life. Only morons do.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
Theists look around them and laugh at claims that there's no evidence
that their god exists. And they're still morons.
We're not talking about the nonexistent unknowable,
Do tell.
we're talking about things
What "things" exactly ?
that we have clear examples of,
So give us the evidence for your example of
"extremely advanced super intelligent aliens".
in a universe that is vast,
So tell us how "vast", and how this vastness translates into
"extremely advanced super intelligent aliens".
where we generally have a good idea of most of the relevant concepts.
The concept under discussion is your unfounded assertion for
the existance of "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens".
I suggest you start here (Wow, I just found out James Kay died!) :
http://www.nesh.ca/jameskay/www.fes.uwaterloo.ca/u/jjkay/pubs/thesis/a1.pdf
Is it too early to nominate this guy for KOTM? <G>
Go right ahead. It won't grow you any more glial cells.
Do "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens" have glial cells?
Would that answer somehow be tied to the "vastness" of the universe?
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| User: "kT" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead! ~~ |
10 Oct 2007 08:19:00 PM |
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_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
"kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:crcPi.92$oJ3.24@newsfe06.lga...
John Baker wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:47:02 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:15:42 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in
their native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is
dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
That's your opinion, not evidence.
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we understand
to be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the universe and our
understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
Anyone who claims that his (very shaky) opinion is evidence isn't a
challenge.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets, life on extrasolar planets and
intelligent life in the universe, and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
Astrobiologists (people who actually have degrees and experience in
the field of astrobiology) don't claim that it's obvious that there's
intelligent extraterrestrial life. Only morons do.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
Theists look around them and laugh at claims that there's no evidence
that their god exists. And they're still morons.
We're not talking about the nonexistent unknowable,
Do tell.
The 'dog', or whatever theists and creationists call it.
we're talking about things
What "things" exactly ?
Just simple replications of molecules.
that we have clear examples of,
So give us the evidence for your example of
"extremely advanced super intelligent aliens".
Human beings.
in a universe that is vast,
So tell us how "vast", and how this vastness translates into
"extremely advanced super intelligent aliens".
Oh, grow up.
where we generally have a good idea of most of the relevant concepts.
The concept under discussion is your unfounded assertion for
the existance of "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens".
Human beings.
I suggest you start here (Wow, I just found out James Kay died!) :
http://www.nesh.ca/jameskay/www.fes.uwaterloo.ca/u/jjkay/pubs/thesis/a1.pdf
Is it too early to nominate this guy for KOTM? <G>
Go right ahead. It won't grow you any more glial cells.
Do "extremely advanced super intelligent aliens" have glial cells?
Would that answer somehow be tied to the "vastness" of the universe?
Now you are degenerating into disingenuous trolling.
Clearly the intent of the 'no evidence' skeptic is to shut off
discussion because they have nothing to offer. I pretty much lump you
guys in with the theists and creationists, and of course, that's what
I'm here to do, straightforward creationist and skeptic harrassment.
Anyways, you need to read more James Kay, you aren't even in the
discussion yet.
http://www.nesh.ca/jameskay/www.fes.uwaterloo.ca/u/jjkay/pubs/Life_as/lifeas.pdf
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
10 Oct 2007 05:42:43 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:37:47 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:47:02 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:15:42 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
That's your opinion, not evidence.
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we
understand to be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the
universe and our understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
Anyone who claims that his (very shaky) opinion is evidence isn't a
challenge.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets, life on extrasolar planets and
intelligent life in the universe, and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
Astrobiologists (people who actually have degrees and experience in
the field of astrobiology) don't claim that it's obvious that there's
intelligent extraterrestrial life. Only morons do.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
Theists look around them and laugh at claims that there's no evidence
that their god exists. And they're still morons.
Is it too early to nominate this guy for KOTM? <G>
No, it is not too early!
It was past due before his first post.
Phew, what a loony!
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
10 Oct 2007 09:15:30 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:12:43 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:37:47 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:47:02 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:15:42 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
That's your opinion, not evidence.
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we
understand to be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the
universe and our understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
Anyone who claims that his (very shaky) opinion is evidence isn't a
challenge.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets, life on extrasolar planets and
intelligent life in the universe, and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
Astrobiologists (people who actually have degrees and experience in
the field of astrobiology) don't claim that it's obvious that there's
intelligent extraterrestrial life. Only morons do.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
Theists look around them and laugh at claims that there's no evidence
that their god exists. And they're still morons.
Is it too early to nominate this guy for KOTM? <G>
No, it is not too early!
It was past due before his first post.
Phew, what a loony!
In that case, I hereby nominate kT for the prestigious Usenet Kook of
the Month award. <G>
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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10 Oct 2007 10:15:06 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:15:30 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:12:43 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:37:47 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:47:02 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:15:42 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:19:27 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:43 -0700, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
I have so much fun observing the 'there is no evidence' weenies in their
native habitat on the usenet. Really, ignorance like this is dramatic.
IOW, you have none.
Yup, the minute I heard there was 'no' evidence for extrasolar planets
back in 1990, I was out and on that golf course in no time flat. Let
those other astronomers look for extrasolar planets that don't exist.
I never said there can't be evidence, I said YOU have none.
You said there is 'no' evidence
Actually, IIRC, I said, "you have none". Feel free to prove me wrong
by posting some.
I did. Universality principles guarantee it.
That's your opinion, not evidence.
Anybody who claims there is 'no' evidence for anything that we
understand to be a certainty just from a cursory examination of the
universe and our understanding of it, is fair game here, and that's you.
Anyone who claims that his (very shaky) opinion is evidence isn't a
challenge.
You can scream all you want that there is 'no' evidence for extrasolar
planets, moons around extrasolar planets, life on extrasolar planets and
intelligent life in the universe, and all astrobiologists do is laugh.
Astrobiologists (people who actually have degrees and experience in
the field of astrobiology) don't claim that it's obvious that there's
intelligent extraterrestrial life. Only morons do.
You claim there is no evidence, and I look around me and laugh.
Theists look around them and laugh at claims that there's no evidence
that their god exists. And they're still morons.
Is it too early to nominate this guy for KOTM? <G>
No, it is not too early!
It was past due before his first post.
Phew, what a loony!
In that case, I hereby nominate kT for the prestigious Usenet Kook of
the Month award. <G>
Seconded, with gusto!
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