Religions > Atheism > ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~
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07 Oct 2007 02:16:11 AM |
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~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
· Breakthrough could combat global warming
a.. Ed Pilkington in New York
b.. The Guardian
c.. Saturday October 6 2007
Craig Venter, the controversial DNA researcher involved in the race to decipher
the human genetic code, has built a synthetic chromosome out of laboratory
chemicals and is poised to announce the creation of the first new artificial
life form on Earth.
The announcement, which is expected within weeks and could come as early as
Monday at the annual meeting of his scientific institute in San Diego,
California, will herald a giant leap forward in the development of designer
genomes. It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new
species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat
global warming.
Mr Venter told the Guardian he thought this landmark would be "a very important
philosophical step in the history of our species. We are going from reading our
genetic code to the ability to write it. That gives us the hypothetical ability
to do things never contemplated before".
The Guardian can reveal that a team of 20 top scientists assembled by Mr Venter,
led by the Nobel laureate Hamilton Smith, has already constructed a synthetic
chromosome, a feat of virtuoso bio-engineering never previously achieved. Using
lab-made chemicals, they have painstakingly stitched together a chromosome that
is 381 genes long and contains 580,000 base pairs of genetic code.
The DNA sequence is based on the bacterium Mycoplasma genitalium which the team
pared down to the bare essentials needed to support life, removing a fifth of
its genetic make-up. The wholly synthetically reconstructed chromosome, which
the team have christened Mycoplasma laboratorium, has been watermarked with inks
for easy recognition.
It is then transplanted into a living bacterial cell and in the final stage of
the process it is expected to take control of the cell and in effect become a
new life form. The team of scientists has already successfully transplanted the
genome of one type of bacterium into the cell of another, effectively changing
the cell's species. Mr Venter said he was "100% confident" the same technique
would work for the artificially created chromosome.
The new life form will depend for its ability to replicate itself and metabolise
on the molecular machinery of the cell into which it has been injected, and in
that sense it will not be a wholly synthetic life form. However, its DNA will be
artificial, and it is the DNA that controls the cell and is credited with being
the building block of life.
Mr Venter said he had carried out an ethical review before completing the
experiment. "We feel that this is good science," he said. He has further
heightened the controversy surrounding his potential breakthrough by applying
for a patent for the synthetic bacterium.
Pat Mooney, director of a Canadian bioethics organisation, ETC group, said the
move was an enormous challenge to society to debate the risks involved.
"Governments, and society in general, is way behind the ball. This is a wake-up
call - what does it mean to create new life forms in a test-tube?"
He said Mr Venter was creating a "chassis on which you could build almost
anything. It could be a contribution to humanity such as new drugs or a huge
threat to humanity such as bio-weapons".
Mr Venter believes designer genomes have enormous positive potential if properly
regulated. In the long-term, he hopes they could lead to alternative energy
sources previously unthinkable. Bacteria could be created, he speculates, that
could help mop up excessive carbon dioxide, thus contributing to the solution to
global warming, or produce fuels such as butane or propane made entirely from
sugar.
"We are not afraid to take on things that are important just because they
stimulate thinking," he said. "We are dealing in big ideas. We are trying to
create a new value system for life. When dealing at this scale, you can't expect
everybody to be happy."
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
08 Oct 2007 06:59:42 PM |
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In article <5mrfdrFeoblqU1@mid.individual.net> "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> writes:
When I went to read about this, the first source I tried claimed
that
Craig Venter has replicated a chromosome, a synthetic form of
human genetic code. [...] The scientist, along with
his chromosome that contains more than 350 genes,
can be transplanted into living bacteria, which then builds a
new life form.
Is Venter, like, really really REALLY short? I suppose that could
explain his extereme over-achieving?
-- cary
<http://www.halflifesource.com/news/creating_artificial_life_on_earth/article9706.htm>
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Oct 2007 09:48:51 PM |
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:59:42 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <5mrfdrFeoblqU1@mid.individual.net> "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> writes:
When I went to read about this, the first source I tried claimed
that
Craig Venter has replicated a chromosome, a synthetic form of
human genetic code. [...] The scientist, along with
his chromosome that contains more than 350 genes,
can be transplanted into living bacteria, which then builds a
new life form.
Is Venter, like, really really REALLY short? I suppose that could
explain his extereme over-achieving?
He's just in cahoots with The Good Doctor (really really REALLY small
submarine).
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "johac" |
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08 Oct 2007 12:05:13 AM |
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In article <5mrfdrFeoblqU1@mid.individual.net>,
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ultra@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
· Breakthrough could combat global warming
a.. Ed Pilkington in New York
b.. The Guardian
c.. Saturday October 6 2007
Craig Venter, the controversial DNA researcher involved in the race to
decipher
the human genetic code, has built a synthetic chromosome out of laboratory
chemicals and is poised to announce the creation of the first new artificial
life form on Earth.
Nice find! I knew Ventner was working on it, but I didn't know he was so
close. I can't wait for the paper to come out. Thanks for posting this.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
07 Oct 2007 02:30:48 AM |
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On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
=B7 Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Martin
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
08 Oct 2007 07:01:41 PM |
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In article <1191742248.112894.218530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> writes:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
=B7 Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive.
Um, I'd say the Venter has indeed not created life -- but for
exactly the opposite reason: DNA is not "alive".
The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
That's done all the time, using RNA as a template.
-- cary
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| User: "johac" |
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08 Oct 2007 12:10:07 AM |
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In article <1191742248.112894.218530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can even buy
short stretches of DNA.
Martin
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
08 Oct 2007 06:05:40 AM |
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On Oct 8, 1:10 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
=B7 Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times
from existing DNA.
Martin
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Oct 2007 01:54:55 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can even buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone has any
doubt.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "johac" |
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09 Oct 2007 12:50:42 AM |
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In article <p6vkg3pv467g1gd4aq1qi4kpr1oshsjhhe@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can even buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone has any
doubt.
Yep and you can buy those too. How do I know? I used to synthesize DNA
for a living, so does that make me a god?
I think not.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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09 Oct 2007 10:44:34 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:50:42 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <p6vkg3pv467g1gd4aq1qi4kpr1oshsjhhe@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can even buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone has any
doubt.
Yep and you can buy those too. How do I know? I used to synthesize DNA
for a living, so does that make me a god?
Absolutely. You created life. (Could you make me a 5'2", slim,
blonde, pale-green-eyed, female human one, if you get a spare moment?
Just as a housekeeper, you understand.)
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "johac" |
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10 Oct 2007 12:39:30 AM |
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In article <7c8ng351ct3q20v32rtdtj1e7irreea5is@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:50:42 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <p6vkg3pv467g1gd4aq1qi4kpr1oshsjhhe@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can even buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone has any
doubt.
Yep and you can buy those too. How do I know? I used to synthesize DNA
for a living, so does that make me a god?
Absolutely. You created life. (Could you make me a 5'2", slim,
blonde, pale-green-eyed, female human one, if you get a spare moment?
Just as a housekeeper, you understand.)
That's a little beyond my level of expertise, but if I could, I'd make
sure she could cook too. ;-)
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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10 Oct 2007 08:03:44 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-7DDAC0.22393009102007@news.giganews.com...
In article <7c8ng351ct3q20v32rtdtj1e7irreea5is@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:50:42 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <p6vkg3pv467g1gd4aq1qi4kpr1oshsjhhe@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can even
buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone has any
doubt.
Yep and you can buy those too. How do I know? I used to synthesize DNA
for a living, so does that make me a god?
Absolutely. You created life. (Could you make me a 5'2", slim,
blonde, pale-green-eyed, female human one, if you get a spare moment?
Just as a housekeeper, you understand.)
That's a little beyond my level of expertise, but if I could, I'd make
sure she could cook too. ;-)
You guys are funny! <WHACK!>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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11 Oct 2007 12:50:08 AM |
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In article <5n40qcFfhch8U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-7DDAC0.22393009102007@news.giganews.com...
In article <7c8ng351ct3q20v32rtdtj1e7irreea5is@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:50:42 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <p6vkg3pv467g1gd4aq1qi4kpr1oshsjhhe@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can even
buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone has any
doubt.
Yep and you can buy those too. How do I know? I used to synthesize DNA
for a living, so does that make me a god?
Absolutely. You created life. (Could you make me a 5'2", slim,
blonde, pale-green-eyed, female human one, if you get a spare moment?
Just as a housekeeper, you understand.)
That's a little beyond my level of expertise, but if I could, I'd make
sure she could cook too. ;-)
You guys are funny! <WHACK!>
Owwww! Oh, no! Not with the rubber chicken!
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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11 Oct 2007 11:42:44 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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In article <5n40qcFfhch8U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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In article <7c8ng351ct3q20v32rtdtj1e7irreea5is@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:50:42 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <p6vkg3pv467g1gd4aq1qi4kpr1oshsjhhe@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can
even
buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone has
any
doubt.
Yep and you can buy those too. How do I know? I used to synthesize
DNA
for a living, so does that make me a god?
Absolutely. You created life. (Could you make me a 5'2", slim,
blonde, pale-green-eyed, female human one, if you get a spare moment?
Just as a housekeeper, you understand.)
That's a little beyond my level of expertise, but if I could, I'd make
sure she could cook too. ;-)
You guys are funny! <WHACK!>
Owwww! Oh, no! Not with the rubber chicken!
*What* rubber chicken? ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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11 Oct 2007 06:48:10 PM |
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In article <5n720uFgge62U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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In article <5n40qcFfhch8U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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In article <7c8ng351ct3q20v32rtdtj1e7irreea5is@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:50:42 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <p6vkg3pv467g1gd4aq1qi4kpr1oshsjhhe@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can
even
buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone has
any
doubt.
Yep and you can buy those too. How do I know? I used to synthesize
DNA
for a living, so does that make me a god?
Absolutely. You created life. (Could you make me a 5'2", slim,
blonde, pale-green-eyed, female human one, if you get a spare moment?
Just as a housekeeper, you understand.)
That's a little beyond my level of expertise, but if I could, I'd make
sure she could cook too. ;-)
You guys are funny! <WHACK!>
Owwww! Oh, no! Not with the rubber chicken!
*What* rubber chicken? ;)
You hit me with a live chicken? I wondered where all the feathers came
from. :-)
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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12 Oct 2007 09:43:04 AM |
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In article <7c8ng351ct3q20v32rtdtj1e7irreea5is@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:50:42 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <p6vkg3pv467g1gd4aq1qi4kpr1oshsjhhe@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article
<1191742248.112894.218530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA
is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can
even
buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone
has
any
doubt.
Yep and you can buy those too. How do I know? I used to synthesize
DNA
for a living, so does that make me a god?
Absolutely. You created life. (Could you make me a 5'2", slim,
blonde, pale-green-eyed, female human one, if you get a spare
moment?
Just as a housekeeper, you understand.)
That's a little beyond my level of expertise, but if I could, I'd
make
sure she could cook too. ;-)
You guys are funny! <WHACK!>
Owwww! Oh, no! Not with the rubber chicken!
*What* rubber chicken? ;)
You hit me with a live chicken? I wondered where all the feathers came
from. :-)
Feathers?!?! Oh dear. I seem to have bought the wrong implements. Hold
on, I'll be right back.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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12 Oct 2007 05:52:10 PM |
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In article <5n9fciFgmeopU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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In article <5n720uFgge62U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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In article <5n40qcFfhch8U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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In article <7c8ng351ct3q20v32rtdtj1e7irreea5is@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:50:42 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <p6vkg3pv467g1gd4aq1qi4kpr1oshsjhhe@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article
<1191742248.112894.218530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA
is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can
even
buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone
has
any
doubt.
Yep and you can buy those too. How do I know? I used to synthesize
DNA
for a living, so does that make me a god?
Absolutely. You created life. (Could you make me a 5'2", slim,
blonde, pale-green-eyed, female human one, if you get a spare
moment?
Just as a housekeeper, you understand.)
That's a little beyond my level of expertise, but if I could, I'd
make
sure she could cook too. ;-)
You guys are funny! <WHACK!>
Owwww! Oh, no! Not with the rubber chicken!
*What* rubber chicken? ;)
You hit me with a live chicken? I wondered where all the feathers came
from. :-)
Feathers?!?! Oh dear. I seem to have bought the wrong implements. Hold
on, I'll be right back.
Implements? Uh, oh! Should I be wearing leather? ;-)
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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08 Oct 2007 06:31:42 PM |
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On Oct 9, 2:54 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
=B7 Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can even buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone has any
doubt.
Cite.
Martin
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead ! ~~ |
09 Oct 2007 01:01:30 AM |
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In article <1191886302.677752.236030@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 9, 2:54 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can even buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone has any
doubt.
Cite.
Martin
http://www.bs.jhmi.edu/proteinfacility/Oligos/oligochemistry.html
All compounds shown in the scheme are commercially available from a
number of sources.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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09 Oct 2007 11:32:36 AM |
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On Oct 9, 2:01 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191886302.677752.236...@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 9, 2:54 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
=B7 Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can even =
buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone has any
doubt.
Cite.
http://www.bs.jhmi.edu/proteinfacility/Oligos/oligochemistry.html
All compounds shown in the scheme are commercially available from a
number of sources.
Here "B" represents a nucleotide, right? Either guanine, cytocine,
adenosine or thynine, right? Scientists need to show that DNA can be
produced from component elements and not simply from component organic
compounds. "Abiogenesis" means life from non life so to achieve it we
need to start with compounds that didn't come from anything alive.
Martin
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| User: "johac" |
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10 Oct 2007 12:36:38 AM |
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In article <1191947556.551558.140970@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 9, 2:01 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191886302.677752.236...@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 9, 2:54 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:10:07 -0700, johac
<jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1191742248.112894.218...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Martin Phipps <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
DNA has been synthesized in the lab millions of times. You can even buy
short stretches of DNA.
That's DNA made from non-living chemicals, just in case anyone has any
doubt.
Cite.
http://www.bs.jhmi.edu/proteinfacility/Oligos/oligochemistry.html
All compounds shown in the scheme are commercially available from a
number of sources.
Here "B" represents a nucleotide, right? Either guanine, cytocine,
adenosine or thynine, right? Scientists need to show that DNA can be
produced from component elements and not simply from component organic
compounds. "Abiogenesis" means life from non life so to achieve it we
need to start with compounds that didn't come from anything alive.
The bases, nucleosides, and nucleotides have all been chemically
synthesized. They are definitely not alive. Like DNA they can be bought
from chemical companies packaged as powders in nice little glass
bottles.
Martin
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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09 Oct 2007 01:15:03 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:32:36 -0700, Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Here "B" represents a nucleotide, right? Either guanine, cytocine,
adenosine or thynine, right? Scientists need to show that DNA can be
produced from component elements and not simply from component organic
compounds. "Abiogenesis" means life from non life so to achieve it we
need to start with compounds that didn't come from anything alive.
Well, we know you can read, but comprehend, that's another story.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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14 Oct 2007 09:50:01 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:15:03 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:32:36 -0700, Martin Phipps <phippsmartin@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Here "B" represents a nucleotide, right? Either guanine, cytocine,
adenosine or thynine, right? Scientists need to show that DNA can be
produced from component elements and not simply from component organic
compounds. "Abiogenesis" means life from non life so to achieve it we
need to start with compounds that didn't come from anything alive.
Well, we know you can read, but comprehend, that's another story.
Go in your room and play, puke. The adults are talking.
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "David Hartung" |
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| Title: Re: ~~ Scientist creates first Artificial Life Form ! <= god IS dead! ~~ |
07 Oct 2007 06:09:58 AM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Thank you.
Only God can create life.
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07 Oct 2007 06:39:21 AM |
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"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:Z8GdnT4A55vzI5XanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@comcast.com...
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Thank you.
Only God can create life.
What created your god??? Your over active imagination!
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08 Oct 2007 05:09:00 AM |
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:39:21 +0100, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:Z8GdnT4A55vzI5XanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@comcast.com...
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
· Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Thank you.
Only God can create life.
What created your god??? Your over active imagination?
As I explained that to you previously, no one can answer that one. As far as
all other life, God did it.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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08 Oct 2007 06:09:48 AM |
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On Oct 8, 6:09 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:39:21 +0100, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"David Hartung" <dhart...@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:Z8GdnT4A55vzI5XanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@comcast.com...
Martin Phipps wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, "=A5 UltraMan =A5" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer
=B7 Scientist has made synthetic chromosome
I'll be the first to say it.
Creating a chromosome from DNA is not "creating life" as DNA is
already alive. The real trick would be to synthesize DNA.
Thank you.
Only God can create life.
What created your god??? Your over active imagination?
As I explained that to you previously, no one can answer that one. =20
Actually, no. The explanation is that your god doesn't exist and
therefore doesn't need a creator.
Martin
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08 Oct 2007 01:07:43 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:09:48 -0700, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Only God can create life.
What created your god??? Your over active imagination?
As I explained that to you previously, no one can answer that one.
Actually, no. The explanation is that your god doesn't exist and
therefore doesn't need a creator.
Actually, no - that's very wrong. Now you may believe that, but you have no
support foundation for such a silly comment.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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08 Oct 2007 02:04:04 PM |
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A mixed team of Chinese and Iranian scientists in the People's Republic has
announced that they have created the first artificial life form.
Although they are still tweaking the parameters around the first critter
they produced about 2 weeks ago, especially the growth hormone parameter,
their first critter only stands about 4 foot 2 inches tall, has a full beard
and moustache, and acts hostile to anyone he sees.
The Iranian team members say they can understand a little of what the little
critter is babbling and they keep insisting he is the 24th Imam and that the
Chinese better transport him to Baghdad, Iraq, for free, plus dress him up
in the finest silks and stuff so he can arrive in the style to which he
feels he is entitled so he can get on with converting the world to islam.
The Chinese scientists insist that the critter is a lunatic-type semi-human,
more of a missing link-type critter, who they say keeps insisting, in the
rantings that the Chinese say they can make out, that he is Mohammed, back
to lead the islamic people in their battle against the infidels.
The Chinese scientists have voted to put the critter to sleep and start over
on the experiments, while the Iranians are threatening to blow up every city
in the People's Republic if they don't release the Imam.
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08 Oct 2007 02:34:19 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:04:04 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote:
A mixed team of Chinese and Iranian scientists in the People's Republic has
announced that they have created the first artificial life form.
Correction - that's procreated artificial life form. The elements are already
available from God, and will produce said life form when mixed.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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