Profanity in public is the issue...it can be seen as
inflamatory generally, and thus an officer can see it as a
public affront to whom ever and a threat to the peace...there
is some legitimacy in that.

If everyone were allowed to be entirely profane all the time
in public it would be a very unpleasant culture... can such
censorship be carried too far? Oh yes. So each person
makes his own call.

Myself I think 'Scientology is Fraud' etc is accurate, serves
a purpose and is educational.... the other option is simply
a rude insult or advocating fornicating the impossible.

Phil Scott

Myself I think 'Scientology is Fraud' etc is accurate, serves
a purpose and is educational.

Profanity in public is the issue...it can be seen as
inflamatory generally, and thus an officer can see it as a
public affront to whom ever and a threat to the peace...there
is some legitimacy in that.

If everyone were allowed to be entirely profane all the time
in public it would be a very unpleasant culture... can such
censorship be carried too far? Oh yes. So each person
makes his own call.

Myself I think 'Scientology is Fraud' etc is accurate, serves
a purpose and is educational.... the other option is simply
a rude insult or advocating fornicating the impossible.


Phil Scott

"The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile"
<desertphile@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:35ng2aF4pdccoU1@individual.net...

I wonder---- since a police officer got upset at a "*****

Bush"

bumper sticker, would he also get upset at a "***** Clinton"

or

"***** Scientology" bumper sticker?

Profanity in public is the issue...it can be seen as
inflamatory generally, and thus an officer can see it as a
public affront to whom ever and a threat to the peace...there
is some legitimacy in that.

If everyone were allowed to be entirely profane all the time
in public it would be a very unpleasant culture... can such

censorship be carried too far? Oh yes. So each person
makes his own call.

Myself I think 'Scientology is Fraud' etc is accurate, serves
a purpose and is educational.... the other option is simply
a rude insult or advocating fornicating the impossible.

Phil Scott

Rocky Mountain News
January 25, 2005

Sticker stuck in cop's craw
He's subject of probe after coming unglued over bumper theme
By Brian D. Crecente, Rocky Mountain News

A Denver police sergeant is under investigation for

allegedly

threatening to arrest a woman Monday for displaying on her

truck a

derogatory bumper sticker about President Bush.

"He told her that this was a warning and that the next time

he saw

her truck, she was going to be arrested if she didn't remove

the

sticker," said Alinna Figueroa, 25, assistant manager of The

UPS

Store where the confrontation took place. "I couldn't

believe it."

Denver police have initiated an investigation into the

alleged

incident, said Police Chief Gerry Whitman. He declined to

comment

further.

About 11 a.m., Shasta Bates, 26, was standing in the

shopping

center store in the 800 block of South Monaco Parkway when a

man

walked in and started arguing with her about a bumper

sticker on

the back of her truck that had "***** Bush" in white letters

on a

black background.

"He was saying it was very sick and wrong and you shouldn't

be

doing that," Bates said. "He was very offended by it. I

said, 'You

didn't have to take it so personally.' "

The two argued for a few minutes, and then the man walked

out of

the store and stood behind Bates' truck. A few minutes

later, the

man flagged down police Sgt. Michael Karasek, who was

patrolling

the area.

Rocky Mountain News reporter Katie Kerwin McCrimmon, who

happened

to be at the store at the time, walked up to the two and

asked

what was going on.

The man pointed the bumper sticker out to McCrimmon, and

then

Karasek told her that it was illegal because it was profane,
McCrimmon said.

Reached late Monday, City Attorney Cole Finnegan said he

didn't

believe there were any city ordinances against displaying a
profane bumper sticker.

Karasek then walked into the store and confronted Bates.

"He said, 'You need to take off those stickers because it's
profanity and it's against the law to have profanity on your
truck,' " Bates said. "Then he said, 'If you ever show up

here

again, I'm going to make you take those stickers off and

arrest

you. Never come back into that area.' "

McCrimmon, who had followed the officer into the store, said
Karasek wrote down the woman's license-plate number and then

told

her: "You take those bumper stickers off or I will come and

find

you and I will arrest you."

Bates said she hasn't had many complaints about her sticker,

which

has shared the space on the back of her truck with many

other

stickers since August.

She said she put the sticker on her truck because she

disagrees

with Bush's stance on homosexuality and "other issues."

"I get some older men who pull up at the side of me and

start

yelling and cussing," she said, "but it's not a crime unless

they

take some action."

Colorado ACLU Legal Director Mark Silverstein said that the
alleged threat of arrest clearly violates First Amendment
protection.

"The Supreme Court considered a case about 30-some years ago

where

a person was prosecuted for wearing a jacket that said,

'***** the

draft,' on the back. The Supreme Court said states could not
prohibit people from wearing such a jacket," he said. "They

said,

'One man's profanity is another man's lyric.' "

Ted Halaby, chairman of the Colorado Republican Party, said

that

while he finds the bumper sticker's message distasteful, he

also

realizes that it's probably protected under the First

Amendment.

"There are all sorts of derogatory bumper stickers that seem

to be

covered under the First Amendment," he said, "whether or not

you

find them personally distasteful."

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The Entrails of the Last Priest.

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except the

resolution of free citizens to defend their liberties." --

Edward

Abbey

"The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile"
<desertphile@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:35ng2aF4pdccoU1@individual.net...

I wonder---- since a police officer got upset at a "*****

Bush"

bumper sticker, would he also get upset at a "***** Clinton"

or

"***** Scientology" bumper sticker?

Profanity in public is the issue...it can be seen as
inflamatory generally, and thus an officer can see it as a
public affront to whom ever and a threat to the peace...there
is some legitimacy in that.

If everyone were allowed to be entirely profane all the time
in public it would be a very unpleasant culture... can such
censorship be carried too far? Oh yes. So each person
makes his own call.

Myself I think 'Scientology is Fraud' etc is accurate, serves
a purpose and is educational.... the other option is simply
a rude insult or advocating fornicating the impossible.


Phil Scott

Rocky Mountain News
January 25, 2005

Sticker stuck in cop's craw
He's subject of probe after coming unglued over bumper theme
By Brian D. Crecente, Rocky Mountain News

A Denver police sergeant is under investigation for

allegedly

threatening to arrest a woman Monday for displaying on her

truck a

derogatory bumper sticker about President Bush.

"He told her that this was a warning and that the next time

he saw

her truck, she was going to be arrested if she didn't remove

the

sticker," said Alinna Figueroa, 25, assistant manager of The

UPS

Store where the confrontation took place. "I couldn't

believe it."

Denver police have initiated an investigation into the

alleged

incident, said Police Chief Gerry Whitman. He declined to

comment

further.

About 11 a.m., Shasta Bates, 26, was standing in the

shopping

center store in the 800 block of South Monaco Parkway when a

man

walked in and started arguing with her about a bumper

sticker on

the back of her truck that had "***** Bush" in white letters

on a

black background.

"He was saying it was very sick and wrong and you shouldn't

be

doing that," Bates said. "He was very offended by it. I

said, 'You

didn't have to take it so personally.' "

The two argued for a few minutes, and then the man walked

out of

the store and stood behind Bates' truck. A few minutes

later, the

man flagged down police Sgt. Michael Karasek, who was

patrolling

the area.

Rocky Mountain News reporter Katie Kerwin McCrimmon, who

happened

to be at the store at the time, walked up to the two and

asked

what was going on.

The man pointed the bumper sticker out to McCrimmon, and

then

Karasek told her that it was illegal because it was profane,
McCrimmon said.

Reached late Monday, City Attorney Cole Finnegan said he

didn't

believe there were any city ordinances against displaying a
profane bumper sticker.

Karasek then walked into the store and confronted Bates.

"He said, 'You need to take off those stickers because it's
profanity and it's against the law to have profanity on your
truck,' " Bates said. "Then he said, 'If you ever show up

here

again, I'm going to make you take those stickers off and

arrest

you. Never come back into that area.' "

McCrimmon, who had followed the officer into the store, said
Karasek wrote down the woman's license-plate number and then

told

her: "You take those bumper stickers off or I will come and

find

you and I will arrest you."

Bates said she hasn't had many complaints about her sticker,

which

has shared the space on the back of her truck with many

other

stickers since August.

She said she put the sticker on her truck because she

disagrees

with Bush's stance on homosexuality and "other issues."

"I get some older men who pull up at the side of me and

start

yelling and cussing," she said, "but it's not a crime unless

they

take some action."

Colorado ACLU Legal Director Mark Silverstein said that the
alleged threat of arrest clearly violates First Amendment
protection.

"The Supreme Court considered a case about 30-some years ago

where

a person was prosecuted for wearing a jacket that said,

'***** the

draft,' on the back. The Supreme Court said states could not
prohibit people from wearing such a jacket," he said. "They

said,

'One man's profanity is another man's lyric.' "

Ted Halaby, chairman of the Colorado Republican Party, said

that

while he finds the bumper sticker's message distasteful, he

also

realizes that it's probably protected under the First

Amendment.

"There are all sorts of derogatory bumper stickers that seem

to be

covered under the First Amendment," he said, "whether or not

you

find them personally distasteful."

---
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Man Will Never Be Free Until The Last King Is Strangled With
The Entrails of the Last Priest.

"Liberty cannot be guaranteed by law. Nor by any thing else

except the

resolution of free citizens to defend their liberties." --

Edward

Abbey

"The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile"
<desertphile@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:35ng2aF4pdccoU1@individual.net...

I wonder---- since a police officer got upset at a "*****

Bush"

bumper sticker, would he also get upset at a "***** Clinton"

or

"***** Scientology" bumper sticker?

Profanity in public is the issue...it can be seen as
inflamatory generally, and thus an officer can see it as a
public affront to whom ever and a threat to the peace...there
is some legitimacy in that.

desertphile@hotmail.com (The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:

Rocky Mountain News January 25, 2005

Sticker stuck in cop's craw
He's subject of probe after coming unglued over bumper theme
By Brian D. Crecente, Rocky Mountain News

About 11 a.m., Shasta Bates, 26, was standing in the shopping
center store in the 800 block of South Monaco Parkway when a man
walked in and started arguing with her about a bumper sticker on
the back of her truck that had "***** Bush" in white letters on a
black background.

<laughing> Stupid fucking Republinazi pig. He doesn't like his Fuhrer
being laughed at for the comic Gilbert and Sullivan General he prances
around pretending to be.

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