On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:58:43 -0400, "sshay" <sshay@twmi.rr.com> wrote:
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On 23 Mar 2007 22:14:51 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Mar 23, 9:52 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:08:41 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez
_"<thep...@jonez.net> wrote:

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Study: Alcohol, Tobacco Worse Than Drugs

Ethanol and Tobacco ARE drugs!!!

So are the three major food groups (sugar, salt, fat), who are the
greatest killers of them all!

I see the joke, but I was NOT joking.

He was NOT joking either!

Alcohol and Tobacco seem to get classed as "non drugs", but only in
the United States!
In most modern countries they get lumped in with all other harmful
recreational substances, (legal or not) for medical purposes.

When you consider that cannabis has NEVER killed anyone, and the
huge number of direct deaths attributable to alcohol and tobacco,
the legal situation in the US is nothing short of insane.

If smoking tobacco is attributed for huge numbers of direct deaths
how would smoking cannabis not be? Doe's smoking cannabis produce a
different type of carbon monoxicide or what? If you were going into
surgery and had to choose between a Doctor who just finished smoking
a pipe(with tobacco) or a Doctor who just finished a joint, which
would you choose?

What is it with you retards?
It's as they decades of unasailable statistics and solid facts mean
nothing whatsoever to you.

What I stated is solid fact.
That you use "personal incredulity" as your very first line of
response, is as sure an indication of the paucity of your position as
anything could be.

Either contribute something useful, or stop lying.

What is it with you retards?
It's as they decades of unasailable statistics and solid facts mean
nothing whatsoever to you.

What I stated is solid fact.
That you use "personal incredulity" as your very first line of
response, is as sure an indication of the paucity of your position as
anything could be.

Either contribute something useful, or stop lying.

sshay wrote:

"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On 23 Mar 2007 22:14:51 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Mar 23, 9:52 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:08:41 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez
_"<thep...@jonez.net> wrote:

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Study: Alcohol, Tobacco Worse Than Drugs

Ethanol and Tobacco ARE drugs!!!

So are the three major food groups (sugar, salt, fat), who are the
greatest killers of them all!

I see the joke, but I was NOT joking.

He was NOT joking either!

Alcohol and Tobacco seem to get classed as "non drugs", but only in
the United States!
In most modern countries they get lumped in with all other harmful
recreational substances, (legal or not) for medical purposes.

When you consider that cannabis has NEVER killed anyone, and the huge
number of direct deaths attributable to alcohol and tobacco, the
legal situation in the US is nothing short of insane.

If smoking tobacco is attributed for huge numbers of direct deaths
how would smoking cannabis not be?

Different chemical compositions, and far different frequency of ingestion.

Doe's smoking cannabis produce a different type of carbon monoxicide or
what?

And you think that CO is the primary component of harm in smoke?

If you were going into
surgery and had to choose between a Doctor who just finished smoking
a pipe(with tobacco) or a Doctor who just finished a joint, which
would you choose?

Neither.

Labelling Alcolhol & Tobacco as somehow not being drugs, by the above
supposed health professionals, contributes to that crime against
humanity.

Ban life, I say!

Bring back the electric chair for legislators who pass these fucking
stupid laws!

I just saw a new Quebec government ad about the "dangers" of sex.
The ad lists *all* the major "risks" of sex, including most physical
diseases plus sociological ones. It looks like in our modern,
"secular" societies, priests have been replaced by a new "clergy" :
the "don't die, please" one, presided over by the greens, the
paranoids and the oh-so-ever annoying baby-boomer crowd afraid of
death.

Yanks seem to get in a mortal tizz whenever sex is remotely hinted
at. It is OK to murder a nation en mass, but show a nipple on TV, and
the
country is in an uproar!

In-fucking-sane.

So fucking what. If you don't like it, don't visit. Problem solved.
If yanks are trying to murder en mass the country where you reside?
Duck, and hope like hell the planes flying over have pilots smoking
cigarettes as opposed to cannabis. If they were smoking cannabis
then you would really hear sobbing and blubbering about missiles off
target!

On Mar 24, 11:39 pm, "Olrik" <Or-lick> wrote:

Yeah. Hypocritical, puritanical, "think-of-the-children" reflex.

So why are pseudo intellects Grayman and Or-lick carrying on their
mindless conversation on alt.smokers?

Don't these two fools have some
other forum where they can babble their unrelenting inanities? Nothing
worse than boring sophomoric armchair "philosophers".

Jay-zuss!! Where do these nut-cases come from??

On 24 Mar 2007 04:39:26 -0700,

On Mar 24, 2:00 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

I see the joke, but I was NOT joking.

Labelling Alcolhol & Tobacco as somehow not being drugs, by the
above supposed health professionals, contributes to that crime
against humanity.

Crimes against humanity? Really?! Some one might very readily make
the same argument for television, fast food, gambling casinos, or
whatever

"Some" might.
Some who are made of straw.

other issue one chooses to put an extremist spin upon.Perhaps you
weren't joking but that doesn't make your statement any less extreme
or laughable.

You may wish to check exactly how many lives are terminated and ruined
by those various facile and concocted comparisons.

Then get back to me with an apology, and a correction.

Tobacco is a deadly drug.

So is ethanol.

No amount of childish testimony from you will alter that fact.

Yanks seem to get in a mortal tizz whenever sex is remotely hinted
at. It is OK to murder a nation en mass, but show a nipple on TV,
and the country is in an uproar!

Again, very general yet narrow point.

WTF?
It can't be both.

To a point, what you say may in
some cases have some merit. However, there are always alternatives
for those seeking what they are looking for. Whether it be
alternative

How does that even bear on what I said?
Hint: It doesn't.

cable TV stations, or the extreme of shops and stores that sell or
rent pornography, there is usually always a choice. Some are offended
and some aren't. "Yanks" seem to always find a way to compromise as
they will with the present extreme tide of the smoking bans. There

I suppose you also think that doctors who wish to eliminate diseases
are "extreme"?

will eventually be a time when non-smokers and smokers will find
their own places to nest.

The same applies to any addict/non-addict.
Your point conveys no useful information to the issue at hand.

Of course the extremists(and the "Yanks" certainly don't have that
market cornered) will never be happy, but that's okay. They find
other ways vent their misdirected stupidity and inner demons.

Such as firearms crime?
Such as religious intolerance?

Your straw men are making a big pile.