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"JTEM" |
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06 Dec 2007 12:56:30 AM |
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***** the police! |
Why do we have police? Seriously. Why on earth do we even
have a police force?
And why do we provide these pussies with weapons?
Let me explain....
Remember Columbine? Remember how the big, "Brave"
police allowed kids to bleed to death, as they sat paralyzed
by fear outside... treating the escaping students like
prisoners of war?
Many parents wanted to get inside the school, were even
willing to go inside, to do SOMETHING to actually PROTECT
their kids... do *Anything* to stop the shooting. the police
"Had To" stop them... or so they claimed. Well, they certainly
had to, else allow themselves to be exposed as the craven
little cowards that they are...
"...police coward outside the school as parents volunteered
to rescue the citizens that the police are paid to protect."
Yeah, many parents were willing to risk their own lives. You
know, what we supposedly pay the police to do, even though
they clearly DID NOT that day, and kids died because of it.
Today there was yet another massacre, and the big, oh so
"brave" police were as useless as ever. Who was protecting
the people in the mall? Certainly not the police! Nope. The
police arrived too late to help -- as per usual -- only to treat
terrorfied shoppers & employees as prisoners of war...
As no police force is willing to earn their money, why the
***** do we bother? First off, let's take away their weapons
and all that pathetic training they get with the weapons. They
don't need any of it. After all, they're only good for writing up
tickets and taking reports long AFTER a crime is committed.
As we need a second force, a new force that will actually
protect citizens -- one that's paid to take the risks, fight
the bad guys, we need to get the money somewhere. The
best place to start would be the worthless police forces
we have now. Let's cut their budgets, take away all that
useless training & "equipement," and use the money we
save to pay some people who aren't worthless pussies.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
06 Dec 2007 06:25:59 PM |
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Last time that great scribe JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> chipped away at
his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
Why do we have police? Seriously. Why on earth do we even
have a police force?
Last resort of the unemployed. If you can't get a job there's always the
police force.
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Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
06 Dec 2007 08:46:34 PM |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:55:59 +1030 Meteorite Debris
<epicurusboth@YOUR_SHOESaapt.net.au> carved the following into the
hard stone of alt.atheism
Last time that great scribe JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> chipped away at
his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
Why do we have police? Seriously. Why on earth do we even
have a police force?
Last resort of the unemployed. If you can't get a job there's always the
police force.
As someone who has been trying to get into law enforcement for over a
decade, can I say ***** you?
Most departments require at least an AA in AdminJustice. You need to
get stellar results on the POST test, pass a rigorous physical test
and exam, complete a extremely intrusive backround check, undergo a
psychological evaluation, get questioned under a polygraph, and pass
an examination by a board of officers. Do all that and you get on the
waiting list for an acadamy slot.
Assuming you get into the acadamy, you have to learn local, state, and
federal laws, physical combat, weapons, non-lethal techniques, police
driving, how to handle everything from lost kids to people on PCP
holding guns on you. Failure rates range from 30-60%.
Congrats, you're a rookie! Most places your probationary period is two
years. During that time you can be dismissed for any reason at all,
and the union won't say one word. Blow an arrest? Gone. Vuiolate a
department policy on apperance? Gone. Three-plus years down the drain.
All this to get a job that tends to end in stress-related disabilities
or physical impairment.
Oh, locally? You have to be bilingual to even get your foot in the
door. And Spanish isn't enough. SJPD needs officers who speak
Vietnamese, Farsi, and Japanese.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
07 Dec 2007 05:16:33 PM |
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In article <9gchl3h5fi2h9bibf160vdcrp2vk9jhrvv@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:55:59 +1030 Meteorite Debris
<epicurusboth@YOUR_SHOESaapt.net.au> carved the following into the
hard stone of alt.atheism
Last time that great scribe JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> chipped away at
his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
Why do we have police? Seriously. Why on earth do we even
have a police force?
Last resort of the unemployed. If you can't get a job there's always the
police force.
As someone who has been trying to get into law enforcement for over a
decade, can I say ***** you?
Most departments require at least an AA in AdminJustice. You need to
get stellar results on the POST test, pass a rigorous physical test
and exam, complete a extremely intrusive backround check, undergo a
psychological evaluation, get questioned under a polygraph, and pass
an examination by a board of officers. Do all that and you get on the
waiting list for an acadamy slot.
Assuming you get into the acadamy, you have to learn local, state, and
federal laws, physical combat, weapons, non-lethal techniques, police
driving, how to handle everything from lost kids to people on PCP
holding guns on you. Failure rates range from 30-60%.
Congrats, you're a rookie! Most places your probationary period is two
years. During that time you can be dismissed for any reason at all,
and the union won't say one word. Blow an arrest? Gone. Vuiolate a
department policy on apperance? Gone. Three-plus years down the drain.
All this to get a job that tends to end in stress-related disabilities
or physical impairment.
Oh, locally? You have to be bilingual to even get your foot in the
door. And Spanish isn't enough. SJPD needs officers who speak
Vietnamese, Farsi, and Japanese.
What gets me, and where cops get my undying respect, is that they
_routinely_ deal with people and situations the rest of us would rather
avoid completely: drunks, druggies, bangers, the mentally unstable, the
enraged; shootings, knifings, robberies, vandalism, kids who have
suddenly and violently become smears on the highway. . . .
You can't tell me twenty years of that wouldn't harden you up real good
and make it difficult to deal with people who _aren't_ perps in a
normal, human way.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
07 Dec 2007 05:22:38 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:16:33 -0800, chibiabos <chibiabos@nospam.com> wrote:
What gets me, and where cops get my undying respect, is that they
_routinely_ deal with people and situations the rest of us would rather
avoid completely: drunks, druggies, bangers, the mentally unstable, the
enraged; shootings, knifings, robberies, vandalism, kids who have
suddenly and violently become smears on the highway. . . .
You can't tell me twenty years of that wouldn't harden you up real good
and make it difficult to deal with people who _aren't_ perps in a
normal, human way.
And when they get bored, and need a violence fix, they can ***** with random
motorists until they get somebody ***** and can then beat the *****
out of them and claim resisting arrest.
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
07 Dec 2007 08:23:42 PM |
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In article <slrnfljldu.q79.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>,
AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:16:33 -0800, chibiabos <chibiabos@nospam.com> wrote:
What gets me, and where cops get my undying respect, is that they
_routinely_ deal with people and situations the rest of us would rather
avoid completely: drunks, druggies, bangers, the mentally unstable, the
enraged; shootings, knifings, robberies, vandalism, kids who have
suddenly and violently become smears on the highway. . . .
You can't tell me twenty years of that wouldn't harden you up real good
and make it difficult to deal with people who _aren't_ perps in a
normal, human way.
And when they get bored, and need a violence fix, they can ***** with random
motorists until they get somebody ***** and can then beat the *****
out of them and claim resisting arrest.
No, in fact, it's worse than you think. They WERE targeting you.
Moron.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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07 Dec 2007 08:54:14 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:23:42 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
In article <slrnfljldu.q79.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>,
AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:16:33 -0800, chibiabos <chibiabos@nospam.com> wrote:
What gets me, and where cops get my undying respect, is that they
_routinely_ deal with people and situations the rest of us would rather
avoid completely: drunks, druggies, bangers, the mentally unstable, the
enraged; shootings, knifings, robberies, vandalism, kids who have
suddenly and violently become smears on the highway. . . .
You can't tell me twenty years of that wouldn't harden you up real good
and make it difficult to deal with people who _aren't_ perps in a
normal, human way.
And when they get bored, and need a violence fix, they can ***** with random
motorists until they get somebody ***** and can then beat the *****
out of them and claim resisting arrest.
No, in fact, it's worse than you think. They WERE targeting you.
Having an acid flashback?
Moron.
Good signature
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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07 Dec 2007 09:36:02 PM |
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In article <slrnflk1qm.3nq.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>,
AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:23:42 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
In article <slrnfljldu.q79.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>,
AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:16:33 -0800, chibiabos <chibiabos@nospam.com> wrote:
What gets me, and where cops get my undying respect, is that they
_routinely_ deal with people and situations the rest of us would rather
avoid completely: drunks, druggies, bangers, the mentally unstable, the
enraged; shootings, knifings, robberies, vandalism, kids who have
suddenly and violently become smears on the highway. . . .
You can't tell me twenty years of that wouldn't harden you up real good
and make it difficult to deal with people who _aren't_ perps in a
normal, human way.
And when they get bored, and need a violence fix, they can ***** with random
motorists until they get somebody ***** and can then beat the *****
out of them and claim resisting arrest.
No, in fact, it's worse than you think. They WERE targeting you.
Having an acid flashback?
Moron.
Good signature
I don't know, AZ, sometimes you rub me the wrong way. My problem. not
yours.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "John Graeme" |
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06 Dec 2007 11:34:08 PM |
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On Dec 6, 9:46 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:55:59 +1030 Meteorite Debris
<epicurusboth@YOUR_SHOESaapt.net.au> carved the following into the
hard stone of alt.atheism
Last time that great scribe JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> chipped away at
his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
Why do we have police? Seriously. Why on earth do we even
have a police force?
Last resort of the unemployed. If you can't get a job there's always the
police force.
As someone who has been trying to get into law enforcement for over a
decade, can I say ***** you?
Most departments require at least an AA in AdminJustice. You need to
get stellar results on the POST test, pass a rigorous physical test
and exam, complete a extremely intrusive backround check, undergo a
psychological evaluation, get questioned under a polygraph, and pass
an examination by a board of officers. Do all that and you get on the
waiting list for an acadamy slot.
Most departments require only a high school degree or less. Those
that do have educational requirements usually allow the substitution
of military service or some kind of experience for the education. The
other requirements are mostly BS that do not assure any kind of
quality--or at best minimal quality.
Assuming you get into the acadamy, you have to learn local, state, and
federal laws, physical combat, weapons, non-lethal techniques, police
driving, how to handle everything from lost kids to people on PCP
holding guns on you. Failure rates range from 30-60%.
It's typically a few months of training. Big deal. Carpenters,
plumbers, electricians, and just about any skilled tradesmen go
through longer training periods.
All this to get a job that tends to end in stress-related disabilities
or physical impairment.
Cite independent statistics showing that policing is any more
dangerous than other jobs. According to Bureau of Labor statistics,
it is not. And how many jobs nowadays offer that kind of job security
or let you retire after 20 years--or pay $100,000 a year or more to
people without a college degree. Hell, in many areas, cops milk the
overtime system for over $150,000 a year. Most working stiffs these
days get NOTHING for overtime.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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06 Dec 2007 08:37:54 PM |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:56:30 -0800 (PST) JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
Why do we have police? Seriously. Why on earth do we even
have a police force?
<snip>
Nothing is going to stop events like Columbine or the Omaha massacre
unless someone learns about it beforehand, and... TELLS THE POLICE!!!
Like has happened dozens of times in the last few years.
It's a common misconception that the primary function of the police is
to prevent crime. It isn't. The police are there to investigate
crimes, and arrest the persons responsible so they can be tried.
Sometimes the cops are on the scene to prevent a crime, but that's
rare. Sadly, real criminals aren't like Batman villains, leaving clues
to the things they are going to do beforehand.
Why do we have police? Having been in places where the rule of law has
broken down, I can tell you.
It's to keep mobs of people like me from kicking in your door, taking
everything you own, and leaving you to die or taking you as a slave.
It is to allow you walk down the street with a reasonable expectation
of safety, since the deterrent factor of an effective police force
does reduce crime.
Tell me, are you equally pissed the the fire departments of the world
don't stop fires? How about those fucking paramedics? They only show
up after people are hurt! Damn them!
Unless you are prepared to show me exactly how the Omaha police
department was supposed to know that a high-school drop out was going
to choose *that* mall on *that* day and was planning on a mass murder,
then shut the ***** up.
You hate police? Try eastern Africa. No police, no laws, and you'd
last about two days.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "JTEM" |
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07 Dec 2007 03:23:36 AM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Nothing is going to stop events like Columbine or the
Omaha massacre unless someone learns about it
beforehand, and... TELLS THE POLICE!!!
Stop? What do you mean? Stop such events when they happen,
or stop such events from happening in the first place?
They most certainly CAN and SHOULD stop such events
when they take place. They didn't though. In the example
of Columbine, the pussies coward outside -- treating fleeing
students like prisoners of war -- for more than two hours
AFTER the shooters were dead.
AT LEAST one of the victims died as a direct result of the
police cowardice, left to finally bleed to death some two and
a half hours after his attackers already took their own lives.
But who knows how many others would never have even
been shot if the attackers weren't given free reign for an hour,
as the pussies coward outside?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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07 Dec 2007 10:44:10 PM |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 01:23:36 -0800 (PST) JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Nothing is going to stop events like Columbine or the
Omaha massacre unless someone learns about it
beforehand, and... TELLS THE POLICE!!!
Stop? What do you mean? Stop such events when they happen,
or stop such events from happening in the first place?
They most certainly CAN and SHOULD stop such events
when they take place. They didn't though. In the example
of Columbine, the pussies coward outside -- treating fleeing
students like prisoners of war -- for more than two hours
AFTER the shooters were dead.
At Columbine? When the cops got there, here's a list of what they
dfidn't know:
How many shooters.
Where the shooters were in the building.
What they were armed with.
Who they were.
What their plan was.
One of the first pieces of real intel they got was the news that the
shooters had claimed to have bombs.
But you want to cops to charge in without knowing what was going on.
Great plan, General Pickett. Would you have volunteered to go first?
Oh, the students were treated they way they were treated because the
police didn't know who the shooters were! For all they knew, the
shooters could have come out with a mob of fleeing kids.
They also needed to question *everyone* who had been inside the school
to learn answers to the above questions.
AT LEAST one of the victims died as a direct result of the
police cowardice, left to finally bleed to death some two and
a half hours after his attackers already took their own lives.
Hindsight is so wonderful. The killers didn't lean out a window and
shout "Yoo-Hoo! We're going to kill ourselves now, so it's totally
cool to come in!"
You are expecting the p[olice to act on knowledge they did not have.
Hell, they din't know how many kids were unaccounted for, or if the
bombs were real.
So you expect the police to be able to see the future, be clairvoyant,
and always do the exact right thing immediately.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "JTEM" |
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08 Dec 2007 07:57:03 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
At Columbine? When the cops got there, here's a list of what they
dfidn't know:
None of the parents -- ordinary citizens who aren't paid to
"Serve & Protect" -- didn't know either, yet they were willing
to go inside anyway. It was the police -- fearing how the
example of courage & concern would make them look -- that
stopped them.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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09 Dec 2007 11:09:13 AM |
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On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:57:03 -0800 (PST) JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
At Columbine? When the cops got there, here's a list of what they
dfidn't know:
None of the parents -- ordinary citizens who aren't paid to
"Serve & Protect" -- didn't know either, yet they were willing
to go inside anyway. It was the police -- fearing how the
example of courage & concern would make them look -- that
stopped them.
I notice you diodn't reply to the post where I put up the timeline and
showed that your claims are complete lies. Interesting.
Of course the parents were willing to rush in! Parents will run into a
burning building and die alongside their kids! That's why we have
professionals to handle these situations.
Now, do you admit that the shooters had exchanged gunfire with the
police? That they were setting off bombs in multple places? That the
first police entered the building at about noon?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
09 Dec 2007 03:20:54 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
I notice you diodn't reply to the post where I put up the
timeline and showed that your claims are complete
lies. Interesting.
You're full of *****. You claimed that your very old timeline
demonstrated that the police entered in the school at 12:06.
Why? I have no idea, you never explained. I'm guessing --
and it is only a guess -- that you read about the rescue of
Anne-Marie Hochhalter, which took place at 12:06, and didn't
realize that she was OUTSIDE. that's right, she lay OUTSIDE,
bleeding, for about a half an hour before the cowards in the
police force rescued her.
http://acolumbinesite.com/victim/injured.html#anne
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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09 Dec 2007 07:34:26 PM |
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:20:54 -0800 (PST) JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
I notice you diodn't reply to the post where I put up the
timeline and showed that your claims are complete
lies. Interesting.
You're full of *****. You claimed that your very old timeline
demonstrated that the police entered in the school at 12:06.
Why? I have no idea, you never explained. I'm guessing --
and it is only a guess -- that you read about the rescue of
Anne-Marie Hochhalter, which took place at 12:06, and didn't
realize that she was OUTSIDE. that's right, she lay OUTSIDE,
bleeding, for about a half an hour before the cowards in the
police force rescued her.
http://acolumbinesite.com/victim/injured.html#anne
The time line was assembled right after the events. From primary
sources.
The police entered the building at noon, and had engaged the suspects
in a gun battle. Would you run out from safety in the middle of a gun
battle?
It's amusing watching you squirm when faced with facts.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "JTEM" |
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09 Dec 2007 11:41:32 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
The time line was assembled right after the events.
Yet it's not even sure if gun fire that took place AFTER the shooters
killed themselves was friendly fire...
Your timeline, as accurate as you want to claim it is, DOES NOT
have the police inside at noon. In fact, it has them rescuing people
OUTSIDE the school at noon.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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10 Dec 2007 07:16:21 PM |
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:41:32 -0800 (PST) JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
The time line was assembled right after the events.
Yet it's not even sure if gun fire that took place AFTER the shooters
killed themselves was friendly fire...
Yup, a few shots were fired after they killed themselves. It happens.
Your timeline, as accurate as you want to claim it is, DOES NOT
have the police inside at noon. In fact, it has them rescuing people
OUTSIDE the school at noon.
1209: first police enter the building.
So, you admit that the police were rescuing people within an hour of
the first shots... at a time when bombs were still going off and shots
were coming from the building. Thank you.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
10 Dec 2007 11:18:40 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
1209: first police enter the building.
Not according to your timeline, as inaccurate as it was.
So, you admit that the police were rescuing people within
an hour of the first shots...
Pretty impressive, resuing people OUTSIDE the school
within an hour....
So out of all the victims who were shot while the police
coward outside, only one bled to death because they
lay there for hours after the shooters had killed themselves.
Let's hope they all got medals....
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
11 Dec 2007 09:33:40 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:18:40 -0800 (PST) JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
1209: first police enter the building.
Not according to your timeline, as inaccurate as it was.
So, CNN's timeline, taken directly from police reports, 911 tapes with
timestamps, and direct testimony from people who were there is
inaccurate?
You've yet to supply one of your own. Here:
http://tinyurl.com/ywfp5v
Go nuts.
So, you admit that the police were rescuing people within
an hour of the first shots...
Pretty impressive, resuing people OUTSIDE the school
within an hour....
Yup, with bombs exploding and people shooting at them.
So out of all the victims who were shot while the police
coward outside, only one bled to death because they
lay there for hours after the shooters had killed themselves.
The word you are looking for is "cowed" and they didn't. They were
returning fire, moving towards a building filled with an unknown
number of gunmen in unknown locations and where bombs were going off
on a regualr basis.
But since you have all information now, you think they shoul;d have
acted on facts not learned until days later. You are a fucking loon.
Let's hope they all got medals....
Few of them did, since they just did their jobs.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
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Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
11 Dec 2007 10:42:58 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
So, CNN's timeline, taken directly from police reports, 911
tapes with timestamps, and direct testimony from people
who were there is inaccurate?
That, or we're really not sure if gun firewhich took place AFTER
the shooters were dead was "friendly fire" or not.
What do you think, is it open to question, or is the CNN thing
not quite as accurate as you first represented here?
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
08 Dec 2007 01:35:54 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:44:10 -0800, Douglas Berry wrote:
So you expect the police to be able to see the future, be clairvoyant,
and always do the exact right thing immediately.
<sarcasm>
Hey, that's the way it is on TeeVee! You mean it's not like that in real
life?
</sarcasm>
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Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar*
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| User: "John Graeme" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
06 Dec 2007 11:17:42 PM |
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On Dec 6, 9:37 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:56:30 -0800 (PST) JTEM <jte...@gmail.com>
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
Why do we have police? Seriously. Why on earth do we even
have a police force?
<snip>
Nothing is going to stop events like Columbine or the Omaha massacre
unless someone learns about it beforehand, and... TELLS THE POLICE!!!
Like has happened dozens of times in the last few years.
It's a common misconception that the primary function of the police is
to prevent crime. It isn't. The police are there to investigate
crimes, and arrest the persons responsible so they can be tried.
The police are even more worthless at that. In only a few percent of
cases--some extimates as low as 1%--is the perpetrator caught and
convicted.
Malcolm C Young, Marc Mauer: "...ultimately, only about 2 percent of
violent crimes result in a conviction." ("Tougher Laws Will Not
Prevent Crime." In: _Crime_, P. Winters, ed. San Diego, CA: Greenhaven
Press, 1998)
That doesn't take into account that many of those convicted are in
fact innocent, as modern investigations using DNA testing have proved.
Sometimes the cops are on the scene to prevent a crime, but that's
rare. Sadly, real criminals aren't like Batman villains, leaving clues
to the things they are going to do beforehand.
Why do we have police? Having been in places where the rule of law has
broken down, I can tell you.
It's to keep mobs of people like me from kicking in your door, taking
everything you own, and leaving you to die or taking you as a slave.
It is to allow you walk down the street with a reasonable expectation
of safety, since the deterrent factor of an effective police force
does reduce crime.
There is no evidence that the police have any significant effect on
the crime rate. Indeed, the studies done have found no measurable
effect on crime with degree of policing. If there were NO police at
all and NO other means of protection, things may well be more
dangerous. But if there were no public police, people could spend
that money on private protection services. In fact, that is how
things were done for much of this country's history. There were NO
public police in the U.S. until the 1840s and relatively little until
the end of the 19th century.
You hate police? Try eastern Africa. No police, no laws, and you'd
last about two days.
In Sudan, Rwanda, Ethiopia, and other parts of Africa with police, you
were likely to be killed by the very people who were supposed to
protect you. What does that prove? At least in Somalia they don't
have government-sponsored massacres, which have killed millions in
those African nations.
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| User: "Sasha" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
06 Dec 2007 01:43:59 PM |
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On Dec 6, 1:56 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why do we have police? Seriously. Why on earth do we even
have a police force?
Because we aren't uncivilized animals?
Remember Columbine? Remember how the big, "Brave"
police allowed kids to bleed to death, as they sat paralyzed
by fear outside... treating the escaping students like
prisoners of war?
No, none of us remember a figment of your fucking imagination.
Many parents wanted to get inside the school, were even
willing to go inside, to do SOMETHING to actually PROTECT
their kids... do *Anything* to stop the shooting. the police
"Had To" stop them... or so they claimed. Well, they certainly
had to, else allow themselves to be exposed as the craven
little cowards that they are...
They follow protocols to protect everyone - civilians inside, outside
and yes, even themselves. Parents trying to rush into an unsecured
crime scene just create more problems for a police force.
"...police coward outside the school as parents volunteered
to rescue the citizens that the police are paid to protect."
Cite the source of this quote, please.
Yeah, many parents were willing to risk their own lives. You
know, what we supposedly pay the police to do, even though
they clearly DID NOT that day, and kids died because of it.
Really? i though kids died that day because two batshit crazy
teenagers gunned them down? Silly me!
Today there was yet another massacre, and the big, oh so
"brave" police were as useless as ever. Who was protecting
the people in the mall? Certainly not the police! Nope. The
police arrived too late to help
It's all the police force's fault. They should have forseen the
future, so that they could be at the mall in order to prevent the guy
from opening fire. Those ***** cops and their lack of ESP!
As we need a second force, a new force that will actually
protect citizens -- one that's paid to take the risks, fight
the bad guys, we need to get the money somewhere. The
best place to start would be the worthless police forces
we have now. Let's cut their budgets, take away all that
useless training & "equipement," and use the money we
save to pay some people who aren't worthless pussies.
That way, we can hire Justice League to protect us. Only Spiderman,
Batman and Superman can save us!
You fucking idiot.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
06 Dec 2007 05:37:40 PM |
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Sasha <KTBpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Remember Columbine? Remember how the big, "Brave"
police allowed kids to bleed to death, as they sat paralyzed
by fear outside... treating the escaping students like
prisoners of war?
No, none of us remember a figment of your fucking imagination.
Then you're every bit as insane as you let on....
Dave Sanders, for example, eventually died of blood loss, though the
police (at 3 in the afternoon) though the police knew what was going
on BEFORE 11:30. As a matter of fact, the police had already been
informed before Dave Sanders was even shot.
The shooters were dead by around 12:30 or before, but the pussies
in police uniforms entered the library at about 20 after 3.
Imagine if all the pussies on the police force had resigned years
earlier, and had been replaced by people willing to take their
job seriously?
Not only would Dave Sanders DEFINITELY be alive today, but many
others too, if the shooters had not bee allowed to wander through
the school, killing at will, for an hour.
And we, as a nation, have yet to learn our lesson from Columbine,
as the latest massacre demonstrates.
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| User: "Sasha" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
07 Dec 2007 09:33:27 AM |
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On Dec 6, 6:37 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
No, none of us remember a figment of your fucking imagination.
Then you're every bit as insane as you let on....
No, I'm just realistic. I like to stick to crazy things like evidence,
and I understand why certain protocols exist.
Dave Sanders, for example, eventually died of blood loss, though the
police (at 3 in the afternoon) though the police knew what was going
on BEFORE 11:30. As a matter of fact, the police had already been
informed before Dave Sanders was even shot.
CITE YOUR SOURCE. How difficult is that?
The shooters were dead by around 12:30 or before, but the pussies
in police uniforms entered the library at about 20 after 3.
Again CITE YOUR SOURCE. Anything less than a police report and you're
officially full of *****.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
07 Dec 2007 12:07:00 PM |
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Sasha <KTBpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
No, I'm just realistic.
In a denying-reality kind of way....
"It's realistic to deny that the police coward outside as
people died because a number of people got shot while
the police pissed themselves outside, some of those
people died, and one of them actually bled to death."
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
07 Dec 2007 11:10:51 PM |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:07:00 -0800 (PST) JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
Sasha <KTBpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
No, I'm just realistic.
In a denying-reality kind of way....
"It's realistic to deny that the police coward outside as
people died because a number of people got shot while
the police pissed themselves outside, some of those
people died, and one of them actually bled to death."
You want reality?
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/TIME_LINE_TOC.htm
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/NARRATIVE.Time.Line.htm
The first police entered the school at 1206, not 1430 as you claimed.
You are aware that the two killers set off numerous bombs during the
event right? SWAT checked every locker and backpack they came across
before moving a single person. They had to clear every single space in
that building because they didn't know that the killers were dead!
The clearing opf the building resulted in many live bombs being found.
But I guess it's alright with you if these things went off killing
more students as long it meant the police had raced in without
thinking.
I hope you caught the parts where the killers set off a distraction
bomb to draw the police away, and then the parts where the police on
scene exchange fire with the two shooters.
In other words: you suck. You nice little fantasy of cowardly cops is
not supported by any of the available facts
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
06 Dec 2007 06:27:30 PM |
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Last time that great scribe Sasha <KTBpylon@gmail.com> chipped away at
his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
Why do we have police? Seriously. Why on earth do we even
have a police force?
Because we aren't uncivilized animals?
That doesn't make any sense. If we weren't we wouldn't have any need for
the police.
--
Remove both YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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| User: "JohnN" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
07 Dec 2007 12:35:05 PM |
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On Dec 6, 2:43 pm, Sasha <KTBpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
That way, we can hire Justice League to protect us. Only Spiderman,
Batman and Superman can save us!
Best you hear this from me before your children tell you: Spiderman
is not in the Justice League. The Justice League is DC Comics and
Spiderman is Marvel.
Spiderman is strickly New York City an is of no use to us in the more
laid back parts of the country. To protect their secret identities,
Superman and Batman operate from cities that do not exist. They do
have capes, which is cool.
JohnN
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| User: "Testor Grey" |
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| Title: Re: ***** the police! |
06 Dec 2007 12:57:13 PM |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:56:30 -0800 (PST), JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
wrote:
Why do we have police? Seriously. Why on earth do we even
have a police force?
And why do we provide these pussies with weapons?
Let me explain....
Remember Columbine? Remember how the big, "Brave"
police allowed kids to bleed to death, as they sat paralyzed
by fear outside... treating the escaping students like
prisoners of war?
Many parents wanted to get inside the school, were even
willing to go inside, to do SOMETHING to actually PROTECT
their kids... do *Anything* to stop the shooting. the police
"Had To" stop them... or so they claimed. Well, they certainly
had to, else allow themselves to be exposed as the craven
little cowards that they are...
"...police coward outside the school as parents volunteered
to rescue the citizens that the police are paid to protect."
Yeah, many parents were willing to risk their own lives. You
know, what we supposedly pay the police to do, even though
they clearly DID NOT that day, and kids died because of it.
Today there was yet another massacre, and the big, oh so
"brave" police were as useless as ever. Who was protecting
the people in the mall? Certainly not the police! Nope. The
police arrived too late to help -- as per usual -- only to treat
terrorfied shoppers & employees as prisoners of war...
As no police force is willing to earn their money, why the
***** do we bother? First off, let's take away their weapons
and all that pathetic training they get with the weapons. They
don't need any of it. After all, they're only good for writing up
tickets and taking reports long AFTER a crime is committed.
As we need a second force, a new force that will actually
protect citizens -- one that's paid to take the risks, fight
the bad guys, we need to get the money somewhere. The
best place to start would be the worthless police forces
we have now. Let's cut their budgets, take away all that
useless training & "equipement," and use the money we
save to pay some people who aren't worthless pussies.
A simple solution would be to arm every citizen as the Constitution
and Bill of Rights allows and recommends.
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