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24 Nov 2005 09:40:57 PM |
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* Why Does The Pope Keep Lying ? |
Why Does The Pope Keep Lying ?
Once again this pope, like the last pope, lies that there is a
sin of homosexuality. If you admit you are gay, you cannot be
a priest. Despite the fact that it is a physical impossibility
that there is a sin of homosexuality, and the pope knows it.
Because they had no words for, nor a concept of homosexuality at
the time the bible was written. The mythical sin of homosexuality
was invented with in the last 100 years, and has no more history
than does Ford Automobiles. The roots of a sin of homosexuality
no more stretches back in time than does Einstein's General
Theory of Relativity. The concept of homosexuality never existed
before 1868, therefore that sin could not possibly exist before
that time. God did not come down to the mountain top in the 1900's
and tell anyone homosexuals or a homosexual acts are a sin. The
pope has found this sin in his corrupt heart, not the bible.
In every instance where the pope finds a mythical sin of
homosexuality, is in reality a sin of ideology, sexual religious
rituals to fertility gods as Baal-Molech and Venus. The context
is Lev 18:21-24, Lev 20:2-5,13, 1 Cor 6:9-20, Rom 1:23-29 all
are talking about the religious rituals of having sex in an
idolatrous act. That is why a "wife" can be put away for
fornication, as Jesus said in Mat 5:32. Fornication is the
sexual act of worshiping a fertility god, not sex out of
wedlock, as the liars have made up. To tell gay men they cannot
be priests comes from the bigoted heart of the pope and his
sycophant cronies, not the bible. They are revisionists of history
to justify their bigotry, not to enlighten spiritual truth.
Just like the pope's old pal Hitler, he is using the bible to
justify his bigotry.
"The modern terms homosexuality and heterosexuality do not apply
to an era that had not yet articulated these distinctions"
- Lawrence and Garner v. Texas USSC (2003)
For a full history of the subject see:
legal history
http://hnn.us/articles/1539.html
medical history
http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/social14.htm
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27 Nov 2005 10:36:19 AM |
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Bonnie ***** wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:31:39 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
First you lie about what your cult teaches, then you lie about what
your cult actually says. What a good widdle christstain you are.
Now run along and go worship your saints -- all of them , including
St.Serge and his husband St.Bacchus, St. Polyeuctus and his husband
St. Nearchus, and all the other gay couples who were doin' the deed
and were canonized by your cult.
Hee, hee, ya really gotta luv these ***** street urchins and how their
own lies come back to bite 'em. Their "list" of ***** Catholic Saints
grows longer and longer with each passing day, like pulling magical
rabbits out a hat!
But hey, give 'em a little more time and they'll be claiming every
Catholic clergy person ever born was/is a homosexual, which may not be
too far from the truth given their current crop of *****/pedophile
priests who, over the last 40 years when they crashed all the
seminaries, have managed to molest tens of thousands of little boys!
Bonnie, your crowd finally called one right! Nope, no argument from us
on this one! The Catholic Church stinks with faggots!
Cleopatra
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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27 Nov 2005 02:31:55 PM |
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On 27 Nov 2005 08:36:19 -0800, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Cleopatra"
<Let_Em_Eat_Indictments@hotmail.com>
X-No-archive: yes
Bonnie ***** wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:31:39 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
First you lie about what your cult teaches, then you lie about what
your cult actually says. What a good widdle christstain you are.
Now run along and go worship your saints -- all of them , including
St.Serge and his husband St.Bacchus, St. Polyeuctus and his husband
St. Nearchus, and all the other gay couples who were doin' the deed
and were canonized by your cult.
Hee, hee,
Hey, Mariopatra! How's the weather in Winnetka, CA?
<snip drivel>
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25 Nov 2005 10:14:27 AM |
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From: "newzguys" <newzg...@yahoo.com>
"The mythical sin of homosexuality was invented with in the last 100
years, and has no more history than does Ford Automobiles."
What does this mean? Ford automobiles linked to the history of
homosexuality?
Be free - Drive a Chevy
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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08 Dec 2005 09:12:11 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 19:40:57 -0800, "newzguys" <newzguys@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why Does The Pope Keep Lying ?
Once again this pope, like the last pope, lies that there is a
sin of homosexuality.
The bible tells us to kill homosexuals.
If you admit you are gay, you cannot be a priest.
The church has had problems with homosexual priests.
Despite the fact that it is a physical impossibility
that there is a sin of homosexuality, and the pope knows it.
Because they had no words for, nor a concept of homosexuality at
the time the bible was written. The mythical sin of homosexuality
was invented with in the last 100 years, and has no more history
than does Ford Automobiles. The roots of a sin of homosexuality
no more stretches back in time than does Einstein's General
Theory of Relativity. The concept of homosexuality never existed
before 1868, therefore that sin could not possibly exist before
that time. God did not come down to the mountain top in the 1900's
and tell anyone homosexuals or a homosexual acts are a sin. The
pope has found this sin in his corrupt heart, not the bible.
That's ridiculous. Homosexuality has probably existed since life began.
In every instance where the pope finds a mythical sin of
homosexuality, is in reality a sin of ideology, sexual religious
rituals to fertility gods as Baal-Molech and Venus. The context
is Lev 18:21-24, Lev 20:2-5,13, 1 Cor 6:9-20, Rom 1:23-29 all
are talking about the religious rituals of having sex in an
idolatrous act. That is why a "wife" can be put away for
fornication, as Jesus said in Mat 5:32. Fornication is the
sexual act of worshiping a fertility god, not sex out of
wedlock, as the liars have made up. To tell gay men they cannot
be priests comes from the bigoted heart of the pope and his
sycophant cronies, not the bible. They are revisionists of history
to justify their bigotry, not to enlighten spiritual truth.
Just like the pope's old pal Hitler, he is using the bible to
justify his bigotry.
There are passages in the bible condemning homosexual behaviour.
"The modern terms homosexuality and heterosexuality do not apply
to an era that had not yet articulated these distinctions"
- Lawrence and Garner v. Texas USSC (2003)
You are grasping at straws.
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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| User: "thomas p" |
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09 Dec 2005 12:32:04 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:12:11 +1100, Barry OGrady
<atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 19:40:57 -0800, "newzguys" <newzguys@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why Does The Pope Keep Lying ?
Once again this pope, like the last pope, lies that there is a
sin of homosexuality.
The bible tells us to kill homosexuals.
If that is true, it is more evidence of what a primitive and savage
book the Bible is. Of course everything and its opposite can be found
commanded in the Bible, depending on who is reading it.
snip
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "No One" |
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09 Dec 2005 01:47:06 AM |
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thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> writes:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:12:11 +1100, Barry OGrady
<atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote:
The bible tells us to kill homosexuals.
If that is true, it is more evidence of what a primitive and savage
book the Bible is.
It is half true (and actually refers to one specific sex act - being
attracted to the members of the same sex is not covered). Usually
they refer to a sentence or two in Leviticus, which also suggests a
similarly serious penalty for eating shell fish or pork. Levicitus
describes some of the laws, customs, and taboos of Jewish tribes
living in the dessert 4000 years ago, at a time when they were just
starting to form a unique culture and religion. Some of the rules
were probably intended to separate them culturally from their
neighbors.
In any case, right-wing Christians seem to ignore all the rules in
Leviticus except one, which they tout with a vengence. The statement
"The Bible tells us to kill homosexuals" says less about the Bible
than it does about the idiots who take it literally and often out of
context.
BTW, the particular part of the Bible in question also has a passage
requiring a very severe punishment for a woman who, when her husband
is losing a fight with another man, runs over and yanks on the other
guy's testicles to put him out of commission. One might conclude that
(a) clothing was a bit skimpy at the time, (b) that the women could be
rather feisty, and (c) that the men were getting really really tired
of being jerked around. Whatever else you may think, 4000 years ago
you weren't talking about the most civilized group in the region, so
very harsh punishments were probably the ony way to keep them more or
less in line - at least that is probably how the "powers that be" at
the time saw it.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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09 Dec 2005 06:41:21 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:47:06 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> writes:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:12:11 +1100, Barry OGrady
<atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote:
The bible tells us to kill homosexuals.
If that is true, it is more evidence of what a primitive and savage
book the Bible is.
It is half true (and actually refers to one specific sex act - being
attracted to the members of the same sex is not covered). Usually
they refer to a sentence or two in Leviticus, which also suggests a
similarly serious penalty for eating shell fish or pork. Levicitus
describes some of the laws, customs, and taboos of Jewish tribes
living in the dessert 4000 years ago, at a time when they were just
starting to form a unique culture and religion. Some of the rules
were probably intended to separate them culturally from their
neighbors.
In any case, right-wing Christians seem to ignore all the rules in
Leviticus except one, which they tout with a vengence. The statement
"The Bible tells us to kill homosexuals" says less about the Bible
than it does about the idiots who take it literally and often out of
context.
It really is not important if it says what they think it says or not.
People really should have a more rational foundation for their
opinions then "The Bible says so". If the Bible commands something
absurd or cruel, it should be ignored.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "No One" |
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09 Dec 2005 08:56:32 PM |
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thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> writes:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:47:06 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> writes:
In any case, right-wing Christians seem to ignore all the rules in
Leviticus except one, which they tout with a vengence. The statement
"The Bible tells us to kill homosexuals" says less about the Bible
than it does about the idiots who take it literally and often out of
context.
It really is not important if it says what they think it says or not.
People really should have a more rational foundation for their
opinions then "The Bible says so". If the Bible commands something
absurd or cruel, it should be ignored.
Actually it is important - it points out their hypocrisy (or is it
stupidity) and the obvious fact that the Bush Regime is kowtowing
to these nut cases should be a major issue.
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Nov 2005 12:14:45 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 19:40:57 -0800, "newzguys" <newzguys@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why Does The Pope Keep Lying ?
Emulating 'God' and 'Jesus.''
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "duke" |
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25 Nov 2005 07:14:45 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 19:40:57 -0800, "newzguys" <newzguys@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why Does The Pope Keep Lying ?
What lie?
Once again this pope, like the last pope, lies that there is a
sin of homosexuality. If you admit you are gay, you cannot be
a priest.
Well, not quite. You can't if you are a practicing queer.
VATICAN CITY — The Vatican is toughening its stand against gay candidates for
the priesthood, specifying in a new document that even men with "transitory"
homosexual tendencies must overcome their urges for at least three years before
entering the clergy.
Despite the fact that it is a physical impossibility
that there is a sin of homosexuality, and the pope knows it.
Because they had no words for, nor a concept of homosexuality at
the time the bible was written. The mythical sin of homosexuality
was invented with in the last 100 years, and has no more history
than does Ford Automobiles.
Well, not quite. The word used to describe "men having sex with men" may be
only 100 years old, but the act is biblical. See Sodom(y) and Gommorah.
Time to come up to speed, little nonewz
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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25 Nov 2005 10:32:46 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:14:45 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<g43eo19lnuvdtjb9eve6q3eod8ug1cq1m1@4ax.com>:
On 24 Nov 2005 19:40:57 -0800, "newzguys" <newzguys@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why Does The Pope Keep Lying ?
What lie?
Once again this pope, like the last pope, lies that there is a
sin of homosexuality. If you admit you are gay, you cannot be
a priest.
Well, not quite. You can't if you are a practicing queer.
VATICAN CITY — The Vatican is toughening its stand against gay candidates for
the priesthood, specifying in a new document that even men with "transitory"
homosexual tendencies must overcome their urges for at least three years before
entering the clergy.
On the other hand, if you are a bishop and cover up _real_ crimes, the
Pope will say nothing. He might even reward you.
Despite the fact that it is a physical impossibility
that there is a sin of homosexuality, and the pope knows it.
Because they had no words for, nor a concept of homosexuality at
the time the bible was written. The mythical sin of homosexuality
was invented with in the last 100 years, and has no more history
than does Ford Automobiles.
Well, not quite. The word used to describe "men having sex with men" may be
only 100 years old, but the act is biblical. See Sodom(y) and Gommorah.
Really. Can you provide the details to show that your claim is accurate?
Time to come up to speed, little nonewz
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "duke" |
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25 Nov 2005 01:03:28 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:32:46 -0600, David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>
wrote:
Well, not quite. You can't if you are a practicing queer.
VATICAN CITY — The Vatican is toughening its stand against gay candidates for
the priesthood, specifying in a new document that even men with "transitory"
homosexual tendencies must overcome their urges for at least three years before
entering the clergy.
On the other hand, if you are a bishop and cover up _real_ crimes, the
Pope will say nothing. He might even reward you.
No, he won't. He hasn't so far, so why start now?
Despite the fact that it is a physical impossibility
that there is a sin of homosexuality, and the pope knows it.
Because they had no words for, nor a concept of homosexuality at
the time the bible was written. The mythical sin of homosexuality
was invented with in the last 100 years, and has no more history
than does Ford Automobiles.
Well, not quite. The word used to describe "men having sex with men" may be
only 100 years old, but the act is biblical. See Sodom(y) and Gommorah.
Really. Can you provide the details to show that your claim is accurate?
Leviticus 18:22-24 (New International Version)
22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
23 " 'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it.
A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it;
that is a perversion.
24 " 'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the
nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "newzguys" |
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27 Nov 2005 10:48:46 PM |
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Funny how you just leave out what the context is about, you know that
Molech thingy right above those verses.
"And thou shalt not give of thy seed to serve a ruler; and thou shalt
not
profane my holy name; I [am] the Lord." 'Do not dedicate any of your
seed or offspring to Molech.' - Septuagint Greek translation
If Molech is not the context of Lev 18:22 why is Molech in that
Chapter
at all? Just threw Molech in there for the hell of it. Sexual no no,
Sexual
no no, hey let's throw in Molech at this spot for the hell of it, and
Sexual
no no, Sexual no no. I guess for you the bible is just to be read one
verse
at a time and verses have no connection to the verse before it or the
rest of the bible.
Let's see the context:
Lev 20:
2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever
he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that
sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech;
he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall
stone him with stones.
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5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his
family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after
him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.
Leviticus 18:
21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the
fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy
God: I am the LORD. (give no seed to Molech)
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it
is abomination.(give no seed to male Chemarim priests to Molech)
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself
therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie
down thereto: it is confusion.(give no seed to the beast Molech)
24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in
all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
(Give no seed to Molech it does not build the nation it defiles
the nation, it is idolatry an abomination.)
Lev 20:
3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him
off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed
unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.
....
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both
of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put
to death; their blood shall be upon them. (give no seed to male
Chemarim priests to Molech, it is idolatry, which is treason,
which carried the death penalty)
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15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death:
and ye shall slay the beast. (give no seed to beasts to Molech)
16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto,
thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to
death; their blood shall be upon them. (give no seed to beasts to
Molech in temple idolatrous worship)
The NIV bible was produced by the producer of the Simpsons, by the
way. And Lev 18:21 no where in the original language says anything
about sacrificed as the NIV says. It says:
"And thou shalt not give of thy seed to serve a ruler; and thou shalt
not
profane my holy name; I [am] the Lord." 'Do not dedicate any of your
seed or offspring to Molech.' - Septuagint Greek translation
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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25 Nov 2005 04:12:28 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:03:28 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<njneo1tc2r6suhikcsk1j95qna2837f7em@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:32:46 -0600, David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>
wrote:
Well, not quite. You can't if you are a practicing queer.
VATICAN CITY — The Vatican is toughening its stand against gay candidates for
the priesthood, specifying in a new document that even men with "transitory"
homosexual tendencies must overcome their urges for at least three years before
entering the clergy.
On the other hand, if you are a bishop and cover up _real_ crimes, the
Pope will say nothing. He might even reward you.
No, he won't. He hasn't so far, so why start now?
Despite the fact that it is a physical impossibility
that there is a sin of homosexuality, and the pope knows it.
Because they had no words for, nor a concept of homosexuality at
the time the bible was written. The mythical sin of homosexuality
was invented with in the last 100 years, and has no more history
than does Ford Automobiles.
Well, not quite. The word used to describe "men having sex with men" may be
only 100 years old, but the act is biblical. See Sodom(y) and Gommorah.
Really. Can you provide the details to show that your claim is accurate?
Leviticus 18:22-24 (New International Version)
22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
23 " 'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it.
A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it;
that is a perversion.
24 " 'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the
nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled.
I guess I wasn't clear enough. I know that Leviticus 18 has a bunch of
rules. I was asking about your implied claim for Sodom.
More of Lev. 18
6 " 'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations.
I am the LORD.
7 " 'Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your
mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's wife; that would
dishonor your father.
9 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your
father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the
same home or elsewhere.
10 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your son's daughter or your
daughter's daughter; that would dishonor you.
11 " 'Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father's
wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
12 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's sister; she is
your father's close relative.
13 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your mother's sister, because
she is your mother's close relative.
14 " 'Do not dishonor your father's brother by approaching his wife to
have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
15 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is
your son's wife; do not have relations with her.
16 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your brother's wife; that would
dishonor your brother.
17 " 'Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter.
Do not have sexual relations with either her son's daughter or her
daughter's daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
18 " 'Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual
relations with her while your wife is living.
19 " 'Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the
uncleanness of her monthly period.
20 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor's wife and defile
yourself with her.
21 " 'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed [a] to Molech,
for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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25 Nov 2005 07:02:40 PM |
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David Jensen wrote:
More of Lev. 18
6 " 'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations.
I am the LORD.
7 " 'Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your
mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's wife; that would
dishonor your father.
9 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your
father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the
same home or elsewhere.
10 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your son's daughter or your
daughter's daughter; that would dishonor you.
11 " 'Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father's
wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
12 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's sister; she is
your father's close relative.
13 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your mother's sister, because
she is your mother's close relative.
14 " 'Do not dishonor your father's brother by approaching his wife to
have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
15 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is
your son's wife; do not have relations with her.
16 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your brother's wife; that would
dishonor your brother.
17 " 'Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter.
Do not have sexual relations with either her son's daughter or her
daughter's daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
18 " 'Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual
relations with her while your wife is living.
19 " 'Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the
uncleanness of her monthly period.
20 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor's wife and defile
yourself with her.
21 " 'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed [a] to Molech,
for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.
For, allegedly, being the chosen of the Almighty -- and thus apparently
"better" than the common rabble -- the ancient Followers of God sure
seemed to need a lot of things spelled out for them... "Don't commit
incest, neither with your own family, nor your relatives; Don't screw
the neighbor's wife, nor your father's wife; Oh, and don't send your
kids off to be prostitutes." Sheesh. No wonder we have this "morality
crisis" today... The entire faith is based upon people of such
"character" that they had to be *told* -- literally -- not to ***** their
mothers. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
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26 Nov 2005 01:24:32 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:02:40 GMT, Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
No wonder we have this "morality
crisis" today... The entire faith is based upon people of such
"character" that they had to be *told* -- literally -- not to ***** their
mothers. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
You're their offspring.
duke
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Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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27 Nov 2005 10:06:57 PM |
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duke wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
No wonder we have this "morality
crisis" today... The entire faith is based upon people of such
"character" that they had to be *told* -- literally -- not to ***** their
mothers. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
You're their offspring.
That is a point of some conjecture. Should one believe the story of Adam
and Eve, then we're all the products of incest. (Which would explain a
few things.) Regardless, I like to deal with fact instead of mythology.
The fact is that my lineage can be traced to only the early 1700's. Past
that, the record keeping becomes most murky, where it exhists at all.
So, while your theory -- untested and unprovable as it is -- does hold
some interest, it is also as full of holes as the common sieve.
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"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
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27 Nov 2005 10:11:25 PM |
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In News Bnvif.144692$tD4.118134@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com,, Dionisio at
moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com, typed this:
duke wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
No wonder we have this "morality
crisis" today... The entire faith is based upon people of such
"character" that they had to be *told* -- literally -- not to *****
their mothers. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
You're their offspring.
That is a point of some conjecture. Should one believe the story of
Adam and Eve, then we're all the products of incest. (Which would
explain a few things.) Regardless, I like to deal with fact instead
of mythology. The fact is that my lineage can be traced to only the
early 1700's. Past that, the record keeping becomes most murky, where
it exhists at all.
So, while your theory -- untested and unprovable as it is -- does hold
some interest, it is also as full of holes as the common sieve.
Think about the dual genetic bottleneck of the bible. First we were all
supposed to have sprung from one man, and one woman. Then, sometime after
that, the entire human race was reduced to Noah and his two sons, and their
wives. Man! Talk about a shallow gene pool!
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Bear" |
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27 Nov 2005 10:14:15 PM |
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"Andrealphus" wrote
: Think about the dual genetic bottleneck of the bible. First we were all
: supposed to have sprung from one man, and one woman. Then, sometime after
: that, the entire human race was reduced to Noah and his two sons, and
their
: wives. Man! Talk about a shallow gene pool!
How many sons?
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "duke" |
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26 Nov 2005 01:23:14 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:12:28 -0600, David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>
wrote:
I guess I wasn't clear enough. I know that Leviticus 18 has a bunch of
rules. I was asking about your implied claim for Sodom.
What do you think "getting to know the strangers" meant?
See the word Sodom(y).
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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26 Nov 2005 01:32:49 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:23:14 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<iedho19u65qimemdngki9vk9p7ldnbaovj@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:12:28 -0600, David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>
wrote:
I guess I wasn't clear enough. I know that Leviticus 18 has a bunch of
rules. I was asking about your implied claim for Sodom.
What do you think "getting to know the strangers" meant?
I think that you read far more into the story than you can legitimately
take from it.
See the word Sodom(y).
Where is that in the story?
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| User: "duke" |
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27 Nov 2005 09:06:13 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:32:49 -0600, David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>
wrote:
What do you think "getting to know the strangers" meant?
I think that you read far more into the story than you can legitimately
take from it.
Sorry, but that's historically true.
See the word Sodom(y).
Where is that in the story?
Sodom, or the practice thereof?
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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27 Nov 2005 09:28:38 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:06:13 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<5pijo15i1i9ih4ar36f1qamrqdli3pfuq5@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:32:49 -0600, David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>
wrote:
What do you think "getting to know the strangers" meant?
I think that you read far more into the story than you can legitimately
take from it.
Sorry, but that's historically true.
I'm not able to accept your unsupported assertion for this.
See the word Sodom(y).
Where is that in the story?
Sodom, or the practice thereof?
Sodomy.
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| User: "duke" |
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27 Nov 2005 01:55:01 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:28:38 -0600, David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>
wrote:
What do you think "getting to know the strangers" meant?
I think that you read far more into the story than you can legitimately
take from it.
Sorry, but that's historically true.
I'm not able to accept your unsupported assertion for this.
Too bad - that's the root (pardon the pun) of the word "sodomy".
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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27 Nov 2005 04:50:44 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:55:01 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<um3ko15ru8l69dsq6t5dve8d7495fbagvs@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:28:38 -0600, David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>
wrote:
What do you think "getting to know the strangers" meant?
I think that you read far more into the story than you can legitimately
take from it.
Sorry, but that's historically true.
I'm not able to accept your unsupported assertion for this.
Too bad - that's the root (pardon the pun) of the word "sodomy".
Of course the word sodomy came from Sodom, but that doesn't mean that
the practice of what we call sodomy in Sodom is what caused Sodom to be
destroyed. Proof by word root doesn't work.
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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27 Nov 2005 09:40:11 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:28:38 -0600, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com>
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:06:13 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<5pijo15i1i9ih4ar36f1qamrqdli3pfuq5@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:32:49 -0600, David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>
wrote:
What do you think "getting to know the strangers" meant?
I think that you read far more into the story than you can legitimately
take from it.
Sorry, but that's historically true.
I'm not able to accept your unsupported assertion for this.
See the word Sodom(y).
Where is that in the story?
Sodom, or the practice thereof?
Sodomy.
Literally, the term "sodomy," in reference to the practice of the
citizens of the city of Sodom, would mean "rejection of guests,
inhospitality; the state of being arrogant and overfed while not
helping the poor and needy."
It says exactly that in the christstain Grimoire of Death and Incest.
Ezekiel 16:49
Matthew 10: 5-15
Wisdom 19:13-14
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| User: "No One" |
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26 Nov 2005 01:47:30 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:12:28 -0600, David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>
wrote:
I guess I wasn't clear enough. I know that Leviticus 18 has a bunch of
rules. I was asking about your implied claim for Sodom.
What do you think "getting to know the strangers" meant?
See the word Sodom(y).
Sigh. Some people have a poor grasp of causality. The part of the
Sodom and Gomorrah myth about "knowing them" was written well before
the English word _sodomy_ existed, and the English word simply
reflects our cultural beliefs about what went on in some obscure
Biblical town.
My guess is that "getting to know the strangers" meant some
combination of "Ve vant to see your papers" and "Ve have vays of
making you talk".
If Bush were in the story, and after about 3 minutes of his fractured
English, it would be "Ve have vays of making you stop talking." :-)
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| User: "duke" |
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27 Nov 2005 09:08:30 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:47:30 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
See the word Sodom(y).
Sigh. Some people have a poor grasp of causality. The part of the
Sodom and Gomorrah myth about "knowing them" was written well before
the English word _sodomy_ existed,
T-R-U-E, but now you know where the action definition comes from.
and the English word simply
reflects our cultural beliefs about what went on in some obscure
Biblical town.
But cultural beliefs formulated all the way back to that town.
My guess is that "getting to know the strangers" meant some
combination of "Ve vant to see your papers" and "Ve have vays of
making you talk".
Or, ve want to get to know your *****.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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27 Nov 2005 08:14:31 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:12:28 -0600, David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>
wrote:
I guess I wasn't clear enough. I know that Leviticus 18 has a bunch of
rules. I was asking about your implied claim for Sodom.
What do you think "getting to know the strangers" meant?
See the word Sodom(y).
The traditional concept of the sin of Sodom arises from the fact that
the Hebrew word here translated as "to know" (yadha) is used by itself
in ten places in the Old Testament to denote heterosexual intercourse.
In five additional texts it is used in conjunction with "mishkabh" (in
this context, "to lie") to mean the same thing. But yadha appears by
itself no less than *943* times in a nonsexual connotation; meaning
simply to "get acquainted with" or "learn of" in a scholarly sense.
There is no Old Testament text in which yadha refers to homosexual
coitus, with the single exception of claims made about the story of
Sodom and Gomorrah found in Genesis. The less ambiguous word shakab,
however, is used for homosexual, heterosexual, and bestial intercourse.
Shakab appears fifty times in the Old Testament. If it had been used
instead of yadha in the Sodom story, the meaning of the text would have
been unmistakable.
<snip>
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+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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27 Nov 2005 01:56:04 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:14:31 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
I guess I wasn't clear enough. I know that Leviticus 18 has a bunch of
rules. I was asking about your implied claim for Sodom.
What do you think "getting to know the strangers" meant?
See the word Sodom(y).
The traditional concept of the sin of Sodom arises from the fact that
the Hebrew word here translated as "to know" (yadha) is used by itself
in ten places in the Old Testament to denote heterosexual intercourse.
No, homosexual "intercourse".
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
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