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31 Aug 2007 04:35:02 PM |
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1 Thessalonians 4: 1-8. 8-31-2007. |
General Exhortations.
Finally, brothers, we earnestly ask and exhort you in the Lord Jesus
that, as you received from us how you should conduct yourselves to
please God -- and as you are conducting yourselves -- you do so even
more. For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord
Jesus.
Holiness In Sexual Conduct.
This is the will of God, your holiness: that you refrain from
immorality, that each of you know how to acquire a wife for himself in
holiness and honor, not in lustful passion as do the Gentiles who do
not know God; not to take advantage of or exploit a brother in this
matter, for the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you
before and solemnly affirmed. For God did not call us to impurity but
to holiness. Therefore, whoever disregards this, disregards not a
human being but God, who also gives his holy Spirit to you.
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Also read:
Psalm 97: 1-2, 5-6, 10-12.
Matthew 25: 1-13.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: 1 Thessalonians 4: 1-8. 8-31-2007. |
31 Aug 2007 06:26:34 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1188596102.795562.254480@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
General Exhortations.
Finally, brothers, we earnestly ask and exhort you in the Lord Jesus
that, as you received from us how you should conduct yourselves to
please God -- and as you are conducting yourselves -- you do so even
more. For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord
Jesus.
yaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnn
Yeah. I suppose it is a real revelation that "ya gotta do better".
And after some 2000 years of effort christians aren't any better than they
were in Christ's time.
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Also read:
Psalm 97: 1-2, 5-6, 10-12.
Matthew 25: 1-13.
Couldn't be bothered.
Regards,
Josef
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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| Title: Re: 1 Thessalonians 4: 1-8. 8-31-2007. |
01 Sep 2007 04:37:49 AM |
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:26:34 -0400, "Josef Balluch"
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1188596102.795562.254480@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
General Exhortations.
Finally, brothers, we earnestly ask and exhort you in the Lord Jesus
that, as you received from us how you should conduct yourselves to
please God -- and as you are conducting yourselves -- you do so even
more. For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord
Jesus.
yaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnn
Yeah. I suppose it is a real revelation that "ya gotta do better".
And after some 2000 years of effort christians aren't any better than they
were in Christ's time.
The age old do as we say not as we do.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: 1 Thessalonians 4: 1-8. 8-31-2007. |
01 Sep 2007 11:21:38 AM |
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"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:26:34 -0400, "Josef Balluch"
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
....
And after some 2000 years of effort christians aren't any better than they
were in Christ's time.
The age old do as we say not as we do.
Yup. I have just had the realization that, amongst christians, hypocrisy is
not a failing but rather a calling.
Regards,
Josef
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| User: "V" |
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| Title: Re: 1 Thessalonians 4: 1-8. 8-31-2007. |
31 Aug 2007 05:03:10 PM |
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On Aug 31, 5:35 pm, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
wrote:
General Exhortations.
Finally, brothers, we earnestly ask and exhort you in the Lord Jesus
that, as you received from us how you should conduct yourselves to
please God -- and as you are conducting yourselves -- you do so even
more. For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord
Jesus.
Holiness In Sexual Conduct.
This is the will of God, your holiness: that you refrain from
immorality, that each of you know how to acquire a wife for himself in
holiness and honor, not in lustful passion as do the Gentiles who do
not know God; not to take advantage of or exploit a brother in this
matter, for the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you
before and solemnly affirmed. For God did not call us to impurity but
to holiness. Therefore, whoever disregards this, disregards not a
human being but God, who also gives his holy Spirit to you.
-------------
Also read:
Psalm 97: 1-2, 5-6, 10-12.
Matthew 25: 1-13.
Well, you can find almost any point you wish to promote in the bible.
Like to rape virgins, kill and pillage?
Use Yahweh as the excuse.
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every
woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women
children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for
yourselves." Numbers 31:17-18
The problem with always going back to the bible for the last word is
this.
The bible is not the Word of God, but the word of man.
And the only thing that confirms the bible, is the bible, which is not
a confirmation.
We can say the same arguments for the Qur=B7'an or the Book of
Mormons...they must all be true because they say they are true.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D318.0
We must also be careful with putting words in the mouth of Jesus as
many Christians like to do
After all no one that ever wrote about Jesus ever met Jesus and it is
ALL heresy.
May I be so bold to suggest that you all drop the pretense and lies
that you have been grasping onto for entire life and rebuild your life
through a foundation of truth and testing and regenerate yourselves
into a truth based agnostic freethinker?
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D470.0
It may take time, but you will be successful at finding truth if you
try.
My own journey leaving monotheism was a long one.
I was Catholic for 50 years and am now a freethinking agnostic.
It all started for me many years ago when an ex-Krishna / Wicca
massage lady told me that Jesus was not born on December 25 and the
Christians adopted that day to steal it away from the pagans holiday.
Then she told be it was the same with Halloween.
A few years later I found out that the gospels were not written by the
apostles or men that even knew Jesus.
Then I came across Freke's book 'The Jesus Mysteries.' I started to
study the beginnings of Christianity and how the Nicene council was
nothing more than a political convention to find out who had the best
spin on Jesus.
I wrote to a few professors such Bart D. Ehrman and others asking
about The Jesus Mysteries. Their reply was it wasn't worth reading or
just nonsense.
Relieved that such talk was hogwash, I drifted back to religion for
some time until the next crack showed up at my door.
I was on a Buddhist forum eSangha (where I was eventually banned) and
the discussion turned to Jesus. Someone mentioned the 'Jesus Never
Existed' website and then this forum came about so I joined.
Then talked with an ex-rabbi dizax that guided me into more detailed
biblical study.
Meeting that ex-rabbi was a major turning point in my life of
religious beliefs, as I had never bothered to 'really' study what the
foundation of monotheism was based on. I only bought the religious
hype and did not know the facts.
Then one day read in the news that the church abolishes limbo. This
did not go well with the concept of the truth is that which does not
change.
Then watched some shows on the History Channel about religion that
gave me more insight by exposing the lies.
I talked with some Christian members at the forums.
Sometimes their argument's were really insane. One Christian argued
that the ancient coal and fossils were planted by the devil to trick
us so we would not believe in God and go to hell.
Other were smarter and less extreme. One in particular was most
knowledgeable. He said the bible was the perfect word of God EXCEPT
the creation story which he viewed as myth.
Well, if we start to pick and choose what is real or lies in the
bible...where does it end?
I started to talk with many atheists and listened to their stories.
All good questions they proposed and the theists could never begin to
answer them.
I sated listening to some of Ken Humphrey's programs:
http://jesusneverexisted.com/ken-Alchemy.mp3
http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DNews&file=3Darti=
cle&sid=3D190&mode=3Dthread%22(der=3D0&thold=3D0
http://jesusneverexisted.com/kenwfm.mp3
As I continued to study religion and the bible in particular, I could
see very clearly now that all religion is man made and flavored with
the ego's of men.
That was my day on enlightenment...now it is your turn my friend.
And after about 7 years of developing cracks in my Catholic
foundations, I decided that I would make a change in my way of life,
sided on the path of truth and left the church evolving into a truth
based Agnostic Freethinker.
I still use many tools from spiritual as well as religious sources.
If the tool can be tested for truth and does not require faith, then I
make use of it if it promotes inner peace. (I should say it does take
'faith to test' sometimes, but once you start the test, the need for
faith evaporates.)
see:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D4.0
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 1 Thessalonians 4: 1-8. 8-31-2007. |
31 Aug 2007 04:43:11 PM |
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On Aug 31, 5:35 pm, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
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General Exhortations.
Not general enough. Try these.
1.) Keep it the ***** out of alt.atheism.
2.) Keep it the ***** out of alt.atheism.
3.) Keep it the ***** out of alt.atheism.
No charge....
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: 1 Thessalonians 4: 1-8. 8-31-2007. |
31 Aug 2007 05:18:41 PM |
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:35:02 -0700, wrote:
General Exhortations.
Okay:
STOP POSTING BIBLE CRAP TO ALT.ATHEISM!
(How's dat?)
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
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like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
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