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"Discourser" |
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12 Aug 2004 02:53:09 AM |
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10-COMMANDMENT BELIEVERS IN SLAVERY |
10-COMMANDMENTS' BELIEVERS IN SLAVERY
"nor his manservant, nor his maidservant . . ."
READ THIS:
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor
his *****, nor anything that is thy neighbor's."
-- 10th Commandment of the 10 Commandments of Moses in the Bible
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Atheists and Humanist oppose mental and physical slavery in all of its
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| User: "Marvin Edwards" |
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| Title: Re: 10-COMMANDMENT BELIEVERS IN SLAVERY |
18 Aug 2004 02:59:06 PM |
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"seeker" <seek@utopia.com> wrote in message
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... However most Christians support laws that force other to live
according to their creed.<
But there is no law requiring baptism, or confession, or a respect for the
authority of the Pope. In fact, our country was founded by people escaping
religious tyranny, and there is a prohibition against government imposing
religion upon anyone.
So I'm not quite clear on what you mean by laws that force others to live
according to Christian creeds.
We Christians have to stand up and speak out against the evil that any
church promotes.<
Amen.
Listen to the Atheist most left the Church because of the stupid evil they
witnessed. Atheist don`t need to try to convert, the church drives away some
of the best and most intelligent. Who said Christians are the best argument
against a God? <
My father was a Salvation Army minister who died in a gunfight...in the
street...with his mistress. But that's not why I left the church. After
contemplating a literal Hell as eternal torment, I came to the conclusion
that there was nothing one could do, in a finite time on earth, that could
justify even having one's knuckles rapped throughout eternity. A God that
would permit that would be a monster, and ought not exist. So I began
reviewing my beliefs, my church, and what it was all about. And I did NOT
conclude that my religious experience was a bad one. In fact, it was pretty
good, and it's one of the reasons I've spent time thinking of moral issues
in general.
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can
do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion. [Steven
Weinberg] <
But to combat evil, and to give one's life to combat it, as happened in the
terrorist flight that the passengers brought to the ground in a field before
it could get to the DC, requires a dedication to something beyond one's
immediate self-interest. And that is a religious act, and act of faith,
regardless whether the person believes in a God or not.
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| User: "seeker" |
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02 Oct 2004 02:01:26 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:59:06 GMT, "Marvin Edwards"
<mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote:
"seeker" <seek@utopia.com> wrote in message
news:tt25i095fitfodapkiuv7av278s37ar57t@4ax.com...
... However most Christians support laws that force other to live
according to their creed.<
But there is no law requiring baptism, or confession, or a respect for the
authority of the Pope. In fact, our country was founded by people escaping
religious tyranny, and there is a prohibition against government imposing
religion upon anyone.
So I'm not quite clear on what you mean by laws that force others to live
according to Christian creeds.
Sorry your post got lost before I could respond, just found out what
I did wrong. I was viewing unread post, all read post were hidden.
Most recent, is church fight against women's right to abortion and
gay rights to legal marriage. As well as church fight against sex
education, for compulsory prayer in school, and under God in the PoA.
These are religious issues, and have no right to be enforced by
secular law.
We Christians have to stand up and speak out against the evil that any
church promotes.<
Amen.
Listen to the Atheist most left the Church because of the stupid evil they
witnessed. Atheist don`t need to try to convert, the church drives away some
of the best and most intelligent. Who said Christians are the best argument
against a God? <
My father was a Salvation Army minister who died in a gunfight...in the
street...with his mistress. But that's not why I left the church. After
contemplating a literal Hell as eternal torment, I came to the conclusion
that there was nothing one could do, in a finite time on earth, that could
justify even having one's knuckles rapped throughout eternity. A God that
would permit that would be a monster, and ought not exist. So I began
reviewing my beliefs, my church, and what it was all about. And I did NOT
conclude that my religious experience was a bad one. In fact, it was pretty
good, and it's one of the reasons I've spent time thinking of moral issues
in general.
I simply became disgusted with the self righteous bigotry, and the
lies in the church. The unpleasantness began when I spoke out against
their bigotry.
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can
do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion. [Steven
Weinberg] <
But to combat evil, and to give one's life to combat it, as happened in the
terrorist flight that the passengers brought to the ground in a field before
it could get to the DC, requires a dedication to something beyond one's
immediate self-interest. And that is a religious act, and act of faith,
regardless whether the person believes in a God or not.
Love of country, and the realization that you are going to die
anyway, is all that is needed for a man or woman to go to battle.
The religious were praying to God to save them, that`s what
religious people do.
Their best bet was to over power the hijackers, and regain control
or the plane. A very rational decision, which usually rules out
religion or faith.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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18 Aug 2004 09:33:11 AM |
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:53:52 -0500, seeker <seek@utopia.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:42:32 GMT, "Marvin Edwards"
<mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote:
"seeker" <seek@utopia.com> wrote in message
news:sb3th01ietkqv0oqiuearunp3b70j4g9q6@4ax.com...
Seems perfectly clear to me. The bible is written by man, and reflects
the beliefs and customs of the men at that time. Today it would read You
will not covet or lust after your neighbors SUV. <
Indeed.
Man doesn't` understand the nature of God, religions use God or god
beliefs to control the actions of other men. All to often for evil selfish
purposes. In a few rare cases religion is used to promote good causes, then
some preacher will get power hungry, and start ripping people off. ... <
That's a bit too cynical for me. I was raised by Christians and my mother is
still very active in her church. There's not a selfish or evil bone in her
body. The point of the "God" concept, I believe, is to encourage people to
do and be good. Most religions teach some form of morality and ethics, and
that is a valuable thing. But you are right that there are many examples of
human corruption in the churches, just like there are in most other human
enterprises. I don't think the religion itself is the source of the problem.
Most people who go to church on Sunday are basically good people, and most
ministers sincerely attempt to improve the character and behavior of their
people.
I too was raised a Christian, and still believe in God, and the
teaching of Jesus. Basically I agree with every thing you say. However
most Christians support laws that force other to live according to
their creed.
We Christians have to stand up and speak out against the evil that
any church promotes.
Listen to the Atheist most left the Church because of the stupid
evil they witnessed. Atheist don`t need to try to convert, the church
drives away some of the best and most intelligent. Who said Christians
are the best argument against a God?
Actually most atheists world-wide were never in any church, including
an increasing number in the US with second- and third- generation
atheists.
Those atheists who left the church did so because they no longer
believed, in the same way they no longer believed in Santa Claus.
They will produce second generation atheists, without even teaching
them to be atheist because kids who were never taught to be theist
remain atheist by default.
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people
can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.
[Steven Weinberg]
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| User: "Pete Schult" |
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| Title: Re: 10-COMMANDMENT BELIEVERS IN SLAVERY |
18 Aug 2004 11:59:43 AM |
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In article <nlp6i0tgfqdmltf4qocp0a1uehk2d5ghsg@4ax.com>,
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
Actually most atheists world-wide were never in any church, including
an increasing number in the US with second- and third- generation
atheists.
Those atheists who left the church did so because they no longer
believed, in the same way they no longer believed in Santa Claus.
They will produce second generation atheists, without even teaching
them to be atheist because kids who were never taught to be theist
remain atheist by default.
I don't know that that's true. I'm an atheist and my wife's an agnostic,
but our daughter is a theist. Of course she's young enough that she's
barely outgrown belief in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.
--Pete Schult
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"If Americans honored the commandment against 'coveting,' free
enterprise would collapse!"
--http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/xian.html
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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18 Aug 2004 12:25:27 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:59:43 GMT, Pete Schult <pschult@twcny.rr.com>
wrote:
In article <nlp6i0tgfqdmltf4qocp0a1uehk2d5ghsg@4ax.com>,
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
Actually most atheists world-wide were never in any church, including
an increasing number in the US with second- and third- generation
atheists.
Those atheists who left the church did so because they no longer
believed, in the same way they no longer believed in Santa Claus.
They will produce second generation atheists, without even teaching
them to be atheist because kids who were never taught to be theist
remain atheist by default.
I don't know that that's true. I'm an atheist and my wife's an agnostic,
but our daughter is a theist. Of course she's young enough that she's
barely outgrown belief in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.
So who taught it to her?
--Pete Schult
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| User: "Ian Braidwood" |
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13 Aug 2004 03:59:27 AM |
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"Discourser" <discourser@cox.net> wrote in message news:<zlFSc.66751$sh.2524@fed1read06>...
10-COMMANDMENTS' BELIEVERS IN SLAVERY
"nor his manservant, nor his maidservant . . ."
READ THIS:
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor
his *****, nor anything that is thy neighbor's."
-- 10th Commandment of the 10 Commandments of Moses in the Bible
___________________________
Atheists and Humanist oppose mental and physical slavery in all of its
forms.
An interesting time in which to bring this up, just after Mel Gibson's
Passion of Christ.
Here we have a film, which clearly shows that the story of Jesus'
execution had been doctored to suck up to Roman sensibilities and now
we have a passage, which seems to be for the edification on nice,
middle-class slave owners of the ancient world.
(-: Ian :-)
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| User: "LetMeGoOK" |
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12 Aug 2004 11:56:24 PM |
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10-COMMANDMENTS' BELIEVERS IN SLAVERY
"nor his manservant, nor his maidservant . . ."
READ THIS:
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor
his *****, nor anything that is thy neighbor's."
-- 10th Commandment of the 10 Commandments of Moses in the Bible
LOL I bet you would holler if your wife/husband was cheatin.
I bet you would holler if somebody stole your car
I bet you would holler if somebody murdered your family
I bet your would holler if somebody bore false witness against you at work!
LMAO!
Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have
entertained angels unawares.
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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13 Aug 2004 10:27:27 AM |
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In article <20040813005624.22535.00001283@mb-m11.wmconnect.com>,
LetMeGoOK <letmegook@wmconnect.comment> wrote:
10-COMMANDMENTS' BELIEVERS IN SLAVERY
"nor his manservant, nor his maidservant . . ."
READ THIS:
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor
his *****, nor anything that is thy neighbor's."
-- 10th Commandment of the 10 Commandments of Moses in the Bible
LOL I bet you would holler if your wife/husband was cheatin.
Where is the Commandment against infidelity to one's spouse?
I bet you would holler if somebody stole your car
I bet you would holler if somebody murdered your family
I bet your would holler if somebody bore false witness against you at work!
But I would remain silent if someone worshipped another god.
LMAO!
Indeed. The "Ten Commandments" are rather laughable.
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --
"You can make an easy kind of link that, if you have a protest group protesting
a war where the cause that's being fought against is international terrorism,
you might have terrorism at that protest. You can almost argue that a protest
against that is a terrorist act. I've heard terrorism described as anything
that is violent or has an economic impact. Terrorism isn't just bombs going off
and killing people." --Mike van Winkle, a spokesperson for the California
Anti-Terrorism Information Center, another spinoff of the Homeland Security
Department
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| User: "LetMeGoOK" |
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14 Aug 2004 02:28:00 PM |
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But I would remain silent if someone worshipped another god.
LMAO!
Indeed. The "Ten Commandments" are rather laughable.
Hey, to each his own, like I said before, you "float your own boat or sail your
own ship."
You either sail it, or sink it, you are the captain! Have a nice day!
Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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13 Aug 2004 07:19:09 AM |
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On 13 Aug 2004 04:56:24 GMT, letmegook@wmconnect.comment (LetMeGoOK)
with calm deliberation, and malace aforethought, wrote:
10-COMMANDMENTS' BELIEVERS IN SLAVERY
"nor his manservant, nor his maidservant . . ."
READ THIS:
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor
his *****, nor anything that is thy neighbor's."
-- 10th Commandment of the 10 Commandments of Moses in the Bible
LOL I bet you would holler if your wife/husband was cheatin.
I bet you would holler if somebody stole your car
I bet you would holler if somebody murdered your family
I bet your would holler if somebody bore false witness against you at work!
What you say, is true, And because it is true, I do not do it to
others, as they would hardly like it either.
I don't need a god to tell me: Why do you?
--
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "LetMeGoOK" |
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14 Aug 2004 02:19:23 PM |
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What you say, is true, And because it is true, I do not do it to
others, as they would hardly like it either.
I don't need a god to tell me: Why do you?
Perhaps you don't have to have someone to tell you, but the're is quite a few
out there that needs to be told!
Unfortunately, they aren't good listeners!
Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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13 Aug 2004 08:26:40 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:19:09 +0100, Puck Greenman
<puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On 13 Aug 2004 04:56:24 GMT, letmegook@wmconnect.comment (LetMeGoOK)
with calm deliberation, and malace aforethought, wrote:
10-COMMANDMENTS' BELIEVERS IN SLAVERY
"nor his manservant, nor his maidservant . . ."
READ THIS:
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor
his *****, nor anything that is thy neighbor's."
-- 10th Commandment of the 10 Commandments of Moses in the Bible
LOL I bet you would holler if your wife/husband was cheatin.
I bet you would holler if somebody stole your car
I bet you would holler if somebody murdered your family
I bet your would holler if somebody bore false witness against you at work!
What you say, is true, And because it is true, I do not do it to
others, as they would hardly like it either.
I don't need a god to tell me: Why do you?
Because otherwise he would do all these to others even though he
doesn't like it when they do it to him?
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| User: "LetMeGoOK" |
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14 Aug 2004 02:24:53 PM |
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Because otherwise he would do all these to others even though he
doesn't like it when they do it to him?
Sorry, have to correct you! I don't like it either!
I been accused at work of something I wasn't guilty of, I don't like someone
bearing false witness against me either!
I had a cheating spouse, (ex) spouse now!
I try to follow the rules and I wished everyone else did. It would make our
life a lot easier!
Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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28 Aug 2004 01:41:58 PM |
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In article <zlFSc.66751$sh.2524@fed1read06>,
"Discourser" <discourser@cox.net> wrote:
10-COMMANDMENTS' BELIEVERS IN SLAVERY
"nor his manservant, nor his maidservant . . ."
READ THIS:
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor
his *****, nor anything that is thy neighbor's."
-- 10th Commandment of the 10 Commandments of Moses in the Bible
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You should covet neither your neighbor's *****, nor his wife, nor his
wife's *****.
earle
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"Scientific materialism explains vastly more of the tangible
world, physical and biological, in precise and useful detail, than
the Iron-Age theology and mysticism bequeathed us by the modern
great religions ever dreamed."
--Edward O. Wilson
Who he? Harvard Professor of Biology, Emeritus. Two Pulitzer
prizes. Now retired at age 75.
ej
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| User: "Marvin Edwards" |
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28 Aug 2004 02:38:35 PM |
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"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-EF8D12.11415728082004@netnews.comcast.net...
"Scientific materialism explains vastly more of the tangible world,
physical and biological, in precise and useful detail, than the Iron-Age
theology and mysticism bequeathed us by the modern great religions ever
dreamed." --Edward O. Wilson <
But that's like comparing apples and oranges. Science informs moral
judgement. It cannot replace it. I'm not sure what "materialism" refers to.
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| User: "L.Roberts" |
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29 Aug 2004 09:28:56 AM |
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"Marvin Edwards" <mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<%a5Yc.3243$6o3.2775@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-EF8D12.11415728082004@netnews.comcast.net...
"Scientific materialism explains vastly more of the tangible world,
physical and biological, in precise and useful detail, than the Iron-Age
theology and mysticism bequeathed us by the modern great religions ever
dreamed." --Edward O. Wilson <
But that's like comparing apples and oranges. Science informs moral
judgement. It cannot replace it. I'm not sure what "materialism" refers to.
Materialism
A very successful lawyer parked his brand new Lexus in front of the
office, ready to show it off to his collegues. As he got out, a truck
came along and complete tore off the driver's door of the Lexus.
The lawyer immediately grabbed his cell phone, dialed 911, and it
wasn't more than five minutes before a policeman pulled up.
Before the police officer had a chance to ask any questions, the
lawyer started screaming hysterically. His Lexus, which he had just
picked up the day before, was now completely ruined and would never be
the same, no matter how the body shop tried to make it new again.
After the lawyer finally wound down from his rant, the cop shook his
head in disgust and disbelief.
"I can't believe how materialistic you lawyers are," he said. "You are
so focused on your possessions that you neglect the most important
things in life."
"How can you say such a thing?" asked the lawyer.
"My God, don't you even realize that you left arm is missing?" said
the police officer. "It got ripped off when the truck hit you!"
"Oh my God!," screamed the lawyer, "my Rolex!!"
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I found this posted at a website one day, I hope it helps you.
L.Roberts. :)
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29 Aug 2004 02:40:54 PM |
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In talk.atheism L.Roberts <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Marvin Edwards" <mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<%a5Yc.3243$6o3.2775@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-EF8D12.11415728082004@netnews.comcast.net...
"Scientific materialism explains vastly more of the tangible world,
physical and biological, in precise and useful detail, than the Iron-Age
theology and mysticism bequeathed us by the modern great religions ever
dreamed." --Edward O. Wilson <
But that's like comparing apples and oranges. Science informs moral
judgement. It cannot replace it. I'm not sure what "materialism" refers to.
Materialism
A very successful lawyer parked his brand new Lexus in front of the
office, ready to show it off to his collegues. As he got out, a truck
came along and complete tore off the driver's door of the Lexus.
The lawyer immediately grabbed his cell phone, dialed 911, and it
wasn't more than five minutes before a policeman pulled up.
Before the police officer had a chance to ask any questions, the
lawyer started screaming hysterically. His Lexus, which he had just
picked up the day before, was now completely ruined and would never be
the same, no matter how the body shop tried to make it new again.
After the lawyer finally wound down from his rant, the cop shook his
head in disgust and disbelief.
"I can't believe how materialistic you lawyers are," he said. "You are
so focused on your possessions that you neglect the most important
things in life."
"How can you say such a thing?" asked the lawyer.
"My God, don't you even realize that you left arm is missing?" said
the police officer. "It got ripped off when the truck hit you!"
"Oh my God!," screamed the lawyer, "my Rolex!!"
Q: What do you call it when two yuppies get in a car wreck?
A: A real Saab story.
--
Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
D rink?
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Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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29 Aug 2004 10:20:03 AM |
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L.Roberts wrote:
"Marvin Edwards" <mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote
"Scientific materialism explains vastly more of the
tangible world,
physical and biological, in precise and useful detail,
than the Iron-Age theology and mysticism bequeathed us
by the modern great religions ever dreamed." --Edward
O. Wilson
But that's like comparing apples and oranges. Science
informs moral judgement. It cannot replace it. I'm not
sure what "materialism" refers to.
Materialism....
You confused scientific materialism with philosophic
materialism.
--
David V.
UDP for WebTV
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29 Aug 2004 06:39:48 PM |
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"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<5tadnTe6qP-5aazcRVn-uQ@sti.net>...
L.Roberts wrote:
"Marvin Edwards" <mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote
"Scientific materialism explains vastly more of the
tangible world,
physical and biological, in precise and useful detail,
than the Iron-Age theology and mysticism bequeathed us
by the modern great religions ever dreamed." --Edward
O. Wilson
But that's like comparing apples and oranges. Science
informs moral judgement. It cannot replace it. I'm not
sure what "materialism" refers to.
Materialism....
You confused scientific materialism with philosophic
materialism.
I don't confuse *****, it was a joke boy, get it?, a joke. lighten up dum dum.
:D L.Roberts.
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| Title: Re: What the Heck is "Materialism"? |
30 Aug 2004 12:51:07 AM |
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L.Roberts wrote:
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<5tadnTe6qP-5aazcRVn-uQ@sti.net>...
L.Roberts wrote:
"Marvin Edwards" <mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote
"Scientific materialism explains vastly more of the
tangible world,
physical and biological, in precise and useful detail,
than the Iron-Age theology and mysticism bequeathed us
by the modern great religions ever dreamed." --Edward
O. Wilson
But that's like comparing apples and oranges. Science
informs moral judgement. It cannot replace it. I'm not
sure what "materialism" refers to.
Materialism....
You confused scientific materialism with philosophic
materialism.
I don't confuse *****
Kiss my ***** little one.
--
David V.
UDP for WebTV
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| User: "L.Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: What the Heck is "Materialism"? |
30 Aug 2004 12:51:34 PM |
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"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<J5qdnTDo-7LWXa_cRVn-pw@sti.net>...
L.Roberts wrote:
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<5tadnTe6qP-5aazcRVn-uQ@sti.net>...
L.Roberts wrote:
"Marvin Edwards" <mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote
"Scientific materialism explains vastly more of the
tangible world,
physical and biological, in precise and useful detail,
than the Iron-Age theology and mysticism bequeathed us
by the modern great religions ever dreamed." --Edward
O. Wilson
But that's like comparing apples and oranges. Science
informs moral judgement. It cannot replace it. I'm not
sure what "materialism" refers to.
Materialism....
You confused scientific materialism with philosophic
materialism.
I don't confuse *****
Kiss my ***** little one.
So sorry, dumbshit, but, I don't return favors. :D
L.Roberts.
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: What the Heck is "Materialism"? |
30 Aug 2004 01:14:17 PM |
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L.Roberts wrote:
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<J5qdnTDo-7LWXa_cRVn-pw@sti.net>...
L.Roberts wrote:
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<5tadnTe6qP-5aazcRVn-uQ@sti.net>...
L.Roberts wrote:
"Marvin Edwards" <mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote
"Scientific materialism explains vastly more of the
tangible world,
physical and biological, in precise and useful detail,
than the Iron-Age theology and mysticism bequeathed us
by the modern great religions ever dreamed." --Edward
O. Wilson
But that's like comparing apples and oranges. Science
informs moral judgement. It cannot replace it. I'm not
sure what "materialism" refers to.
Materialism....
You confused scientific materialism with philosophic
materialism.
I don't confuse *****
Kiss my ***** little one.
So sorry, dumbshit, but, I don't return favors. :D
L.Roberts.
My, are't we the ***** today.
--
David V.
UDP for WebTV
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| User: "L.Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: What the Heck is "Materialism"? |
30 Aug 2004 06:42:01 PM |
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"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<hZWdnbRIepDm867cRVn-rQ@sti.net>...
L.Roberts wrote:
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<J5qdnTDo-7LWXa_cRVn-pw@sti.net>...
L.Roberts wrote:
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<5tadnTe6qP-5aazcRVn-uQ@sti.net>...
L.Roberts wrote:
"Marvin Edwards" <mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote
"Scientific materialism explains vastly more of the
tangible world,
physical and biological, in precise and useful detail,
than the Iron-Age theology and mysticism bequeathed us
by the modern great religions ever dreamed." --Edward
O. Wilson
But that's like comparing apples and oranges. Science
informs moral judgement. It cannot replace it. I'm not
sure what "materialism" refers to.
Materialism....
You confused scientific materialism with philosophic
materialism.
I don't confuse *****
Kiss my ***** little one.
So sorry, dumbshit, but, I don't return favors. :D
L.Roberts.
My, are't we the ***** today.
*yawns* :|
L.Roberts.
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| User: "Marvin Edwards" |
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| Title: Re: What the Heck is "Materialism"? |
29 Aug 2004 11:36:18 AM |
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That's a gem.
"L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3632ef5b.0408290628.47971d8b@posting.google.com...
Materialism
A very successful lawyer parked his brand new Lexus in front of the
office, ready to show it off to his collegues. As he got out, a truck
came along and complete tore off the driver's door of the Lexus.
The lawyer immediately grabbed his cell phone, dialed 911, and it
wasn't more than five minutes before a policeman pulled up.
Before the police officer had a chance to ask any questions, the
lawyer started screaming hysterically. His Lexus, which he had just
picked up the day before, was now completely ruined and would never be
the same, no matter how the body shop tried to make it new again.
After the lawyer finally wound down from his rant, the cop shook his
head in disgust and disbelief.
"I can't believe how materialistic you lawyers are," he said. "You are
so focused on your possessions that you neglect the most important
things in life."
"How can you say such a thing?" asked the lawyer.
"My God, don't you even realize that you left arm is missing?" said
the police officer. "It got ripped off when the truck hit you!"
"Oh my God!," screamed the lawyer, "my Rolex!!"
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I found this posted at a website one day, I hope it helps you.
L.Roberts. :)
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| User: "AnotherObserver®" |
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| Title: Re: What the Heck is "Materialism"? |
28 Aug 2004 04:10:09 PM |
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"Marvin Edwards" <mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote:
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-EF8D12.11415728082004@netnews.comcast.net...
"Scientific materialism explains vastly more of the tangible world,
physical and biological, in precise and useful detail, than the Iron-Age
theology and mysticism bequeathed us by the modern great religions ever
dreamed." --Edward O. Wilson <
But that's like comparing apples and oranges. Science informs moral
judgement. It cannot replace it. I'm not sure what "materialism" refers to.
There are sub-sets of Materialism, just as there are sub-sets of
atheism.
For me, the quote "...psychological phenomena are just special
relational features of wholly physically composed systems" sums things
up nicely.
Psychological phenomena include things such as reality, religion,
morality and most importantly, thought. There are things
undiscovered, unmeasured, yet there is nothing possible within the
metaphysical realm. Nothing.
In addition, to me, atheist Buddhist is an oxymoron. Then, if you
dive deep enough, you find that "atheist" doesn't cover metaphysics,
mysticism or likewise.
--
Davidwd
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irreligionist
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| User: "Marvin Edwards" |
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| Title: Re: What the Heck is "Materialism"? |
28 Aug 2004 06:32:21 PM |
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<AnotherObserver®> wrote in message
news:ums1j0p3hunmekbv9oia2m96ikamajqspk@4ax.com...
There are sub-sets of Materialism, just as there are sub-sets of atheism.
<
So what is "materialism", the "belief in material"?
For me, the quote "...psychological phenomena are just special relational
features of wholly physically composed systems" sums things up nicely.
Psychological phenomena include things such as reality, religion, morality
and most importantly, thought. <
Right. We speak of things like "Love" as if it were a physical object or
even a person, but it does not exist as an object in reality, but only as a
mental concept to extract a common theme in a group of physical phenomenon.
There are things undiscovered, unmeasured, yet there is nothing possible
within the metaphysical realm. Nothing. <
I've heard that "metaphysics" refers to the ... hmmm ... now I'm not sure
anymore. I remember reading a lot about it in that Kant article, but I'm not
sure I can express it now. Growing up, I had a notion of "metaphysical"
meaning the same as "supernatural" and implying ghosts. But I'm sure that's
not correct.
In addition, to me, atheist Buddhist is an oxymoron. Then, if you dive
deep enough, you find that "atheist" doesn't cover metaphysics, mysticism or
likewise. <
Yeah. "Atheist" is simply asserting "contrary to" theist.
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: What the Heck is "Materialism"? |
14 Sep 2004 03:55:14 PM |
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"Marvin Edwards" <mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<9C8Yc.2579$JT3.2492@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
<AnotherObserver®> wrote in message
news:ums1j0p3hunmekbv9oia2m96ikamajqspk@4ax.com...
There are sub-sets of Materialism, just as there are sub-sets of atheism.
<
So what is "materialism", the "belief in material"?
For me, the quote "...psychological phenomena are just special relational
features of wholly physically composed systems" sums things up nicely.
Psychological phenomena include things such as reality, religion, morality
and most importantly, thought. <
Right. We speak of things like "Love" as if it were a physical object or
even a person, but it does not exist as an object in reality, but only as a
mental concept to extract a common theme in a group of physical phenomenon.
There are things undiscovered, unmeasured, yet there is nothing possible
within the metaphysical realm. Nothing. <
I've heard that "metaphysics" refers to the ... hmmm ... now I'm not sure
anymore. I remember reading a lot about it in that Kant article, but I'm not
sure I can express it now. Growing up, I had a notion of "metaphysical"
meaning the same as "supernatural" and implying ghosts. But I'm sure that's
not correct.
In addition, to me, atheist Buddhist is an oxymoron. Then, if you dive
deep enough, you find that "atheist" doesn't cover metaphysics, mysticism or
likewise. <
Yeah. "Atheist" is simply asserting "contrary to" theist.
Materialism
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/nontheism/materialism/index.shtml
Naturalism
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/nontheism/naturalism/index.shtml
http://www.infidels.org/library/index.shtml
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| User: "AnotherObserver®" |
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| Title: Re: What the Heck is "Materialism"? |
28 Aug 2004 06:45:54 PM |
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"Marvin Edwards" <mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote:
<AnotherObserver®> wrote in message
news:ums1j0p3hunmekbv9oia2m96ikamajqspk@4ax.com...
There are sub-sets of Materialism, just as there are sub-sets of atheism.
<
So what is "materialism", the "belief in material"?
Somewhat. Nothing in thought is derived from anything beyond physical
systems, such as the brain of a human.
For me, the quote "...psychological phenomena are just special relational
features of wholly physically composed systems" sums things up nicely.
Psychological phenomena include things such as reality, religion, morality
and most importantly, thought. <
Right. We speak of things like "Love" as if it were a physical object or
even a person, but it does not exist as an object in reality, but only as a
mental concept to extract a common theme in a group of physical phenomenon.
Yes, and love has crippled me for far too long. I no longer believe
in what I once did. So sad. In fear, I denied the fact but have now
accepted it, though I still enjoy the feeling. Love, like religion,
is just another drug.
There are things undiscovered, unmeasured, yet there is nothing possible
within the metaphysical realm. Nothing. <
I've heard that "metaphysics" refers to the ... hmmm ... now I'm not sure
anymore. I remember reading a lot about it in that Kant article, but I'm not
sure I can express it now. Growing up, I had a notion of "metaphysical"
meaning the same as "supernatural" and implying ghosts. But I'm sure that's
not correct.
Any idea or ideals based on objects other than thought are not real.
Progressive morals are mere ideas, shared and collaborated, refined,
acceptable by the majority. Nothing more. There is no spirit beyond
thought, and thought is the product of physically composed systems
like the human brain.
In addition, to me, atheist Buddhist is an oxymoron. Then, if you dive
deep enough, you find that "atheist" doesn't cover metaphysics, mysticism or
likewise. <
Yeah. "Atheist" is simply asserting "contrary to" theist.
Sadly, it took me years to understand that simple truth, hence
"irreligionist" for me. Atheist isn't complete enough to describe my
current beliefs.
--
Davidwd
~~~~~~~~~
irreligionist
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| User: "Marvin Edwards" |
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| Title: Re: What the Heck is "Materialism"? |
28 Aug 2004 09:11:20 PM |
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<AnotherObserver®> wrote in message
news:8r52j0hic7cqa9aqg2vcgn61a13bu0dckc@4ax.com...
... Nothing in thought is derived from anything beyond physical systems,
such as the brain of a human. <
Of course.
Yes, and love has crippled me for far too long. I no longer believe in
what I once did. So sad. In fear, I denied the fact but have now accepted
it, though I still enjoy the feeling. Love, like religion, is just another
drug. <
That sounds like love, the feeling. But, heck, who wrote "The Art of
Loving"? I believe in that the word "love" is something we do, actively
caring for some one rather than the selfish thrill of being enthralled.
Any idea or ideals based on objects other than thought are not real.
Progressive morals are mere ideas, shared and collaborated, refined,
acceptable by the majority. Nothing more. There is no spirit beyond
thought, and thought is the product of physically composed systems like the
human brain. <
That's a bit complex. How about "the experience of thoughts is a physical
phenomenon".
Atheist isn't complete enough to describe my current beliefs. <
Indeed. I consider myself a Humanist.
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| User: "Liberator Veritatis" |
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| Title: Re: What the Heck is "Materialism"? |
29 Aug 2004 12:00:26 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:10:09 -0400, AnotherObserver® wrote:
"Marvin Edwards" <mbe2uu@earthlink.net> wrote:
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-EF8D12.11415728082004@netnews.comcast.net...
"Scientific materialism explains vastly more of the tangible world,
physical and biological, in precise and useful detail, than the Iron-Age
theology and mysticism bequeathed us by the modern great religions ever
dreamed." --Edward O. Wilson <
But that's like comparing apples and oranges. Science informs moral
judgement. It cannot replace it. I'm not sure what "materialism" refers to.
There are sub-sets of Materialism, just as there are sub-sets of
atheism.
For me, the quote "...psychological phenomena are just special
relational features of wholly physically composed systems" sums things
up nicely.
Psychological phenomena include things such as reality, religion,
morality and most importantly, thought. There are things
undiscovered, unmeasured, yet there is nothing possible within the
metaphysical realm. Nothing.
You are also including nominalism with materialism, as I replied to
another poster further down. Materialism is limited to the view that
only matter and/or energy can exist (energy taken in the literal
physical sense of the word). This position need not include the view
that "nothing is possible in the metaphysical realm" which is broad
enough to at least suggest if not entail that no metaphysical
statements could be true or false.
Clearly at least one, metaphysical assertion is true, namely that only
matter and energy can exist. Beyond that, there might be all sorts of
other a priori assertions one might make, including those about
morality, that are true or false.
In addition, to me, atheist Buddhist is an oxymoron. Then, if you
dive deep enough, you find that "atheist" doesn't cover metaphysics,
mysticism or likewise.
--
Liberator Veritatis
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