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"jcon" |
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02 Sep 2005 02:08:18 PM |
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10 Commandments and the Law |
Every time the 10 Commandments come up, someone will invariably
say "They are the basis of our laws". That statement pops up in
threads here and newspaper editorials at least several times a week,
so it must be true, right? Since most Christians don't know the
Ten Commandments, here they are:
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image... Thou shalt not
bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
6. Thou shalt not kill (murder).
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox,
nor his *****, nor any thing that is thy neighbor'
By my count, 6-9 are definitely in our laws, 5 if you stretch
it a bit, 1-3 are expressly excluded from our laws by the First
Amendment, 4 works it's way in once in a while, but I wouldn't call
it a "basic principle" of our laws, and as for 10, my neighbor
doesn't have slaves or livestock, but I'm free to covet his
wife to my heart's content as long as I don't act on it -
not good advice, maybe, but certainly not against any law.
OK, 4 works it way in once in a while.
So there we have it, 5 out of 10, tops. Not too impressive,
especially when you consider that I can't think of *any* society,
Christian or otherwise, now or at any time in the past, that
*hasn't* had laws similar to 5-9, and many do much better at
them. For example, Japan, a decidedly non-Christian nation,
has a murder rate less than a tenth of ours - even lacking a
6th Commandment.
Now if we had law against worshiping graven images (say, statues
of The Virgin), then they might have a point, but as it is, it's
all bunk.
-jc
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| User: "Snidely F Whiplash" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
02 Sep 2005 04:50:14 PM |
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"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125688098.729313.17410@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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| Every time the 10 Commandments come up, someone will invariably
| say "They are the basis of our laws". That statement pops up in
| threads here and newspaper editorials at least several times a week,
| so it must be true, right? Since most Christians don't know the
| Ten Commandments, here they are:
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| 1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
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| 2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image... Thou shalt not
| bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.
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| 3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
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| 4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
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| 5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
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| 6. Thou shalt not kill (murder).
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| 7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
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| 8. Thou shalt not steal.
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| 9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
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| 10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
| neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox,
| nor his *****, nor any thing that is thy neighbor'
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And just where did the above referenced commandments come from?
Seems the bahble is a little confused about that issue..
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/good/nt.html
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
02 Sep 2005 05:52:11 PM |
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I do not agree with the statement in the link you offer that says:
"Jesus lists the "ten commandments," but his list has only six, and the
sixth is not one of the ten."
Matthew: (from the link): Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Marc (translated from my Dutch bible): "Thou shalt not abstract"
my watchtower version thou says: "Thou shalt not wrong(rob)t"
Luke lists only 5 commandments.
Of course the translations can be argued.
However in my opinion Jesus is referring to the commandment
that is normally known as "thou shalt not cover"
Appearantly Jesuses interpretation of this commandment is
that one should grant other people the right to have a family and
support i.
Furthermore he seems to think that God feels totallt loved
if one keeps this one commandment.
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
September 2005
Amstelveen
Tge Netherlands
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| User: "Rick Merrill" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
02 Sep 2005 06:35:13 PM |
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wrote:
I do not agree with the statement in the link you offer that says:
"Jesus lists the "ten commandments," but his list has only six, and the
sixth is not one of the ten."
Matthew: (from the link): Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Marc (translated from my Dutch bible): "Thou shalt not abstract"
Ya gotta love that "dutch bible" (Abstraction is the thought process
where ideas are distanced from objects.)
my watchtower version thou says: "Thou shalt not wrong(rob)t"
You got a WatchTower version??!
Luke lists only 5 commandments.
Make that 2 commandments.
Of course the translations can be argued.
Of course.
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| User: "Rick Merrill" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
02 Sep 2005 05:26:56 PM |
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Snidely F Whiplash wrote:
"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125688098.729313.17410@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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| Every time the 10 Commandments come up, someone will invariably
| say "They are the basis of our laws". That statement pops up in
| threads here and newspaper editorials at least several times a week,
| so it must be true, right? Since most Christians don't know the
| Ten Commandments, here they are:
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| 1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
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| 2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image... Thou shalt not
| bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.
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| 3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
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| 4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
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| 5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
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| 6. Thou shalt not kill (murder).
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| 7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
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| 8. Thou shalt not steal.
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| 9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
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| 10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
| neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox,
| nor his *****, nor any thing that is thy neighbor'
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ snip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And just where did the above referenced commandments come from?
Well, MOSES said, "They came from God." But then Moses was a known
dissembler. At any rate, we only have Moses' word for it.
Seems the bahble is a little confused about that issue..
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/good/nt.html
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
02 Sep 2005 06:07:00 PM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 02 September 2005 3:08 pm
cirejcon@yahoo.com wrote:
Every time the 10 Commandments come up, someone will invariably
say "They are the basis of our laws". That statement pops up in
threads here and newspaper editorials at least several times a week,
so it must be true, right? Since most Christians don't know the
Ten Commandments, here they are:
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image... Thou shalt not
bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
6. Thou shalt not kill (murder).
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox,
nor his *****, nor any thing that is thy neighbor'
By my count, 6-9 are definitely in our laws, 5 if you stretch
it a bit, 1-3 are expressly excluded from our laws by the First
Amendment, 4 works it's way in once in a while, but I wouldn't call
it a "basic principle" of our laws, and as for 10, my neighbor
doesn't have slaves or livestock, but I'm free to covet his
wife to my heart's content as long as I don't act on it -
not good advice, maybe, but certainly not against any law.
OK, 4 works it way in once in a while.
So there we have it, 5 out of 10, tops. Not too impressive,
especially when you consider that I can't think of *any* society,
Christian or otherwise, now or at any time in the past, that
*hasn't* had laws similar to 5-9, and many do much better at
them. For example, Japan, a decidedly non-Christian nation,
has a murder rate less than a tenth of ours - even lacking a
6th Commandment.
Now if we had law against worshiping graven images (say, statues
of The Virgin), then they might have a point, but as it is, it's
all bunk.
-jc
That is all nice except for one thing -- according to scripture those are
not the ten commandments. Check Exodus for what are actually called the 1-
commandments. You will find that they neither number ten, nor are they
very much like what you have written.
On top of that your number ten is a very poor translation. It should read
more like -- thou shalt not cast the evil eye upon your neighbor's.... It
forbid casting a hex using a graven image called the evil eye which
represented the Canaanite/Hebrew gods.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
02 Sep 2005 04:35:11 PM |
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I find it rather strange that the very same people who think that the
10 commandments should be or are the basis for our laws, would not want
the biblical punishments prescribed for those laws to be implemented
upon the offenders of those laws.
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| User: "shane" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
03 Sep 2005 12:58:40 AM |
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I find it rather strange that the very same people who think that the
10 commandments should be or are the basis for our laws, would not want
the biblical punishments prescribed for those laws to be implemented
upon the offenders of those laws.
I have a similar feeling on the whole America is a Christian nation
thing. One of the tenets of Christianity is not rebelling against
authority. Yet the nation only exists because of a massive rebellion,
and further, the christians are proud of it, go figure.
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shane
And the truth shall set you free.
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| User: "Rick Merrill" |
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02 Sep 2005 05:06:30 PM |
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I find it rather strange that the very same people who think that the
10 commandments should be or are the basis for our laws, would not want
the biblical punishments prescribed for those laws to be implemented
upon the offenders of those laws.
Oh oh, now you're gonna provoke 'em!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
04 Sep 2005 05:02:28 PM |
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I find it rather strange that the very same people who think that the
10 commandments should be or are the basis for our laws, would not want
the biblical punishments prescribed for those laws to be implemented
upon the offenders of those laws.
Islam has already implemented the punishment prescribed
by those Laws for the then lawless Arabs.
This is why the Epistle to the Romans makes sense.
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| User: "" |
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04 Sep 2005 04:58:20 PM |
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I find it rather strange that the very same people who think that the
10 commandments should be or are the basis for our laws, would not want
the biblical punishments prescribed for those laws to be implemented
upon the offenders of those laws.
The Answer is in the Epistle to the Romans.
What is true for the Roman state is also true for any state.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
02 Sep 2005 03:28:05 PM |
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jcon wrote:
Every time the 10 Commandments come up, someone will invariably
say "They are the basis of our laws". That statement pops up in
threads here and newspaper editorials at least several times a week,
so it must be true, right? Since most Christians don't know the
You really need to catch George Carlin's bit on the 10Cs.
http://www.geocities.com/bobmelzer/gc10cx.html
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| User: "jcon" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
02 Sep 2005 04:29:36 PM |
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wade.hines@g_ood_no_spa_mail.com wrote:
jcon wrote:
Every time the 10 Commandments come up, someone will invariably
say "They are the basis of our laws". That statement pops up in
threads here and newspaper editorials at least several times a week,
so it must be true, right? Since most Christians don't know the
You really need to catch George Carlin's bit on the 10Cs.
http://www.geocities.com/bobmelzer/gc10cx.html
Amen.
-jc
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| User: "" |
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02 Sep 2005 02:57:52 PM |
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jcon wrote:
Every time the 10 Commandments come up, someone will invariably
say "They are the basis of our laws". That statement pops up in
threads here and newspaper editorials at least several times a week,
so it must be true, right? Since most Christians don't know the
Ten Commandments, here they are:
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image... Thou shalt not
bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
6. Thou shalt not kill (murder).
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox,
nor his *****, nor any thing that is thy neighbor'
By my count, 6-9 are definitely in our laws, 5 if you stretch
it a bit, 1-3 are expressly excluded from our laws by the First
Amendment, 4 works it's way in once in a while, but I wouldn't call
it a "basic principle" of our laws, and as for 10, my neighbor
doesn't have slaves or livestock, but I'm free to covet his
wife to my heart's content as long as I don't act on it -
not good advice, maybe, but certainly not against any law.
OK, 4 works it way in once in a while.
So there we have it, 5 out of 10, tops. Not too impressive,
especially when you consider that I can't think of *any* society,
You assume wrongly that these Laws were written today.
But 6000 years ago some thought any society who did not
have even 3 of these Laws.
Christian or otherwise, now or at any time in the past, that
*hasn't* had laws similar to 5-9, and many do much better at
them. For example, Japan, a decidedly non-Christian nation,
has a murder rate less than a tenth of ours - even lacking a
6th Commandment.
Now if we had law against worshiping graven images (say, statues
of The Virgin), then they might have a point, but as it is, it's
all bunk.
-jc
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| User: "jcon" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
02 Sep 2005 03:33:29 PM |
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jcon wrote:
Every time the 10 Commandments come up, someone will invariably
say "They are the basis of our laws". That statement pops up in
threads here and newspaper editorials at least several times a week,
so it must be true, right? Since most Christians don't know the
Ten Commandments, here they are:
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image... Thou shalt not
bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
6. Thou shalt not kill (murder).
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox,
nor his *****, nor any thing that is thy neighbor'
By my count, 6-9 are definitely in our laws, 5 if you stretch
it a bit, 1-3 are expressly excluded from our laws by the First
Amendment, 4 works it's way in once in a while, but I wouldn't call
it a "basic principle" of our laws, and as for 10, my neighbor
doesn't have slaves or livestock, but I'm free to covet his
wife to my heart's content as long as I don't act on it -
not good advice, maybe, but certainly not against any law.
OK, 4 works it way in once in a while.
So there we have it, 5 out of 10, tops. Not too impressive,
especially when you consider that I can't think of *any* society,
You assume wrongly that these Laws were written today.
But 6000 years ago some thought any society who did not
have even 3 of these Laws.
Any 6000 year old system of laws would indeed be impressive, but
I think you need to spend more time reading your Bible. The
*world* was created 6000 years ago. The 10 Commandments didn't
come along until much later - 1491BC according to fundamentalists.
By that time, there were plenty of societies and plenty of laws,
Sumerian law, Babylonian law, and Egyptian law all contained
rules against murder, lying, adultery, theft, and false witness -
and a whole lot more, and these predate the 10 commandments. Even
in the Bible, Moses writes the 10 commandments on his way *out* of
Egypt, where there was already a thriving civilization with laws.
Is it coincidence that they bear a resemblance to lines
from the Egyptian Book of the Dead?
OK, riddle me this. If the 10 Commandments are really the
basis of our laws and morality, how was God justified in killing
the entire human race well before they were written?
-jc
Christian or otherwise, now or at any time in the past, that
*hasn't* had laws similar to 5-9, and many do much better at
them. For example, Japan, a decidedly non-Christian nation,
has a murder rate less than a tenth of ours - even lacking a
6th Commandment.
Now if we had law against worshiping graven images (say, statues
of The Virgin), then they might have a point, but as it is, it's
all bunk.
-jc
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02 Sep 2005 04:18:40 PM |
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By that time, there were plenty of societies and plenty of laws,
Sumerian law, Babylonian law, and Egyptian law all contained
rules against murder, lying, adultery, theft, and false witness -
and a whole lot more, and these predate the 10 commandments.
Yeah.
I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
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| User: "josephus" |
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03 Sep 2005 06:42:13 AM |
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Andrew F. Heil wrote:
By that time, there were plenty of societies and plenty of laws,
Sumerian law, Babylonian law, and Egyptian law all contained
rules against murder, lying, adultery, theft, and false witness -
and a whole lot more, and these predate the 10 commandments.
Yeah.
I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
And dont forget about Hammerabi. He wrote the laws on the side of a
mountain a thousand years before the jews even pretended to exist.
And good king Hammerabi, had speed limits.
our laws are predicated on Englsh and Norse law.
josephus
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| User: "Rick Merrill" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
02 Sep 2005 04:56:57 PM |
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Andrew F. Heil wrote:
By that time, there were plenty of societies and plenty of laws,
Sumerian law, Babylonian law, and Egyptian law all contained
rules against murder, lying, adultery, theft, and false witness -
and a whole lot more, and these predate the 10 commandments.
Yeah.
I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
I like the "L'il Abner" rule. What, you don't recall it?
He says, "Good is better than bad because it's nicer."
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| User: "" |
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02 Sep 2005 04:45:45 PM |
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Andrew F. Heil wrote:
By that time, there were plenty of societies and plenty of laws,
Sumerian law, Babylonian law, and Egyptian law all contained
rules against murder, lying, adultery, theft, and false witness -
and a whole lot more, and these predate the 10 commandments.
Yeah.
I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
So If they are not Christian, why are you against them -Laws-
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
02 Sep 2005 05:09:20 PM |
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<Tohu.Bohu@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125697545.934562.201750@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Andrew F. Heil wrote:
By that time, there were plenty of societies and plenty of laws,
Sumerian law, Babylonian law, and Egyptian law all contained
rules against murder, lying, adultery, theft, and false witness -
and a whole lot more, and these predate the 10 commandments.
Yeah.
I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
So If they are not Christian, why are you against them -Laws-
Hmmm...two indecipherable sentences in one thread. I would guess that
Tohu.Bohu and CodeBreaker are the same person, but their styles differ
slightly, and I think English is not CodeBreaker's native language. However,
it's clear that there's something not right with CodeBreaker, Tohu.Bohu, and
Ray Martinez, so you guys shouldn't be too mean to them. As Triumph the
Insult Dog says "That would be like booing at the Special Olympics." Ooohh,
I'm such a hypocrite!
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| User: "Phil Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
02 Sep 2005 06:24:53 PM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> treated the lovely people of
talk.origins with the following stuff:
Hmmm...two indecipherable sentences in one thread. I would guess
that Tohu.Bohu and CodeBreaker are the same person, but their
styles differ slightly, and I think English is not CodeBreaker's
native language. However, it's clear that there's something not
right with CodeBreaker, Tohu.Bohu, and Ray Martinez, so you guys
shouldn't be too mean to them. As Triumph the Insult Dog says
"That would be like booing at the Special Olympics." Ooohh, I'm
such a hypocrite!
They have the same IP address. I imagine that "codebreaker" suffers
from multiple personality disorder. What are the odds that both
personas would turn out to be obnoxious religious psychotics?
--
"You flies, with your unyielding little minds!"
- Johnny C (the homicidal maniac)
Phil Roberts | http://www.flatnet.net/
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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02 Sep 2005 06:57:01 PM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 02 September 2005 7:24 pm
philroberts@spamcop.net wrote:
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> treated the lovely people of
talk.origins with the following stuff:
Hmmm...two indecipherable sentences in one thread. I would guess
that Tohu.Bohu and CodeBreaker are the same person, but their
styles differ slightly, and I think English is not CodeBreaker's
native language. However, it's clear that there's something not
right with CodeBreaker, Tohu.Bohu, and Ray Martinez, so you guys
shouldn't be too mean to them. As Triumph the Insult Dog says
"That would be like booing at the Special Olympics." Ooohh, I'm
such a hypocrite!
They have the same IP address. I imagine that "codebreaker" suffers
from multiple personality disorder. What are the odds that both
personas would turn out to be obnoxious religious psychotics?
What? You don't believe two patients in a mental health facility could have
access to the same computer network (LAN)?
--
Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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| User: "Andrew F. Heil" |
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02 Sep 2005 05:14:06 PM |
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I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
So If they are not Christian, why are you against them -Laws-
How can you possibly make the moronic claim that I'm against laws, or
generally against killing, stealing and lying?
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| User: "" |
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04 Sep 2005 05:19:47 PM |
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Andrew F. Heil wrote:
I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
So If they are not Christian, why are you against them -Laws-
How can you possibly make the moronic claim that I'm against laws, or
generally against killing, stealing and lying?
This is what your post implied.
Otherwise the issue you raise was dealt with by Paul
in His epistle to the Romans which is in fact an epistle
to the Hebrews. "If the Gentiles, who don't know
the Law of Moses act accordingly, it is a proof that
they are the Law for themselves, that the work
of the Law is written in their HEARTS." Ref Romans
Why? because there is but One God who is also
the God of both the Gentiles and the Hebrew to whom
the Law was given.
You are assuming that the pagans were created by their own
god since their religion is different from that of the Jews.
No, they don't have a different God but the Only God
of Israel.
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| User: "Andrew F. Heil" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
04 Sep 2005 05:33:30 PM |
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wrote:
Andrew F. Heil wrote:
I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
So If they are not Christian, why are you against them -Laws-
How can you possibly make the moronic claim that I'm against laws, or
generally against killing, stealing and lying?
This is what your post implied.
Let's read exactly what I said:
"I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad."
Now, let me get this straight. You think the above statement implies I
AM AGAINST LAWS?
Otherwise the issue you raise was dealt with by Paul
in His epistle to the Romans which is in fact an epistle
to the Hebrews. "If the Gentiles, who don't know
the Law of Moses act accordingly, it is a proof that
they are the Law for themselves, that the work
of the Law is written in their HEARTS." Ref Romans
Why? because there is but One God who is also
the God of both the Gentiles and the Hebrew to whom
the Law was given.
You are assuming that the pagans were created by their own
god
Nope. How you came to the moronic conclusion that I think some sort of
non-Christian deity created the pagans is a mystery known only to you.
Try reading for content. You are either being intentionally obtuse, or
you're exceptionally stupid.
I don't think it really matters which it is ...
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
04 Sep 2005 05:50:45 PM |
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Andrew F. Heil wrote:
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
Andrew F. Heil wrote:
I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
So If they are not Christian, why are you against them -Laws-
How can you possibly make the moronic claim that I'm against laws, or
generally against killing, stealing and lying?
This is what your post implied.
Let's read exactly what I said:
"I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad."
Now, let me get this straight. You think the above statement implies I
AM AGAINST LAWS?
Otherwise the issue you raise was dealt with by Paul
in His epistle to the Romans which is in fact an epistle
to the Hebrews. "If the Gentiles, who don't know
the Law of Moses act accordingly, it is a proof that
they are the Law for themselves, that the work
of the Law is written in their HEARTS." Ref Romans
Why? because there is but One God who is also
the God of both the Gentiles and the Hebrew to whom
the Law was given.
You are assuming that the pagans were created by their own
god
Nope. How you came to the moronic conclusion that I think some sort of
non-Christian deity created the pagans is a mystery known only to you.
Try reading for content. You are either being intentionally obtuse, or
you're exceptionally stupid.
I don't think it really matters which it is ...
When I am stupid, that is when I am strong...
I am honestly dumb, and this caused Christ to read
to me the Torah as a dumb and explained it as one
would explain to a dumb.
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| User: "Tom McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
04 Sep 2005 05:58:58 PM |
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wrote:
Andrew F. Heil wrote:
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
Andrew F. Heil wrote:
I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
So If they are not Christian, why are you against them -Laws-
How can you possibly make the moronic claim that I'm against laws, or
generally against killing, stealing and lying?
This is what your post implied.
Let's read exactly what I said:
"I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad."
Now, let me get this straight. You think the above statement implies I
AM AGAINST LAWS?
Otherwise the issue you raise was dealt with by Paul
in His epistle to the Romans which is in fact an epistle
to the Hebrews. "If the Gentiles, who don't know
the Law of Moses act accordingly, it is a proof that
they are the Law for themselves, that the work
of the Law is written in their HEARTS." Ref Romans
Why? because there is but One God who is also
the God of both the Gentiles and the Hebrew to whom
the Law was given.
You are assuming that the pagans were created by their own
god
Nope. How you came to the moronic conclusion that I think some sort of
non-Christian deity created the pagans is a mystery known only to you.
Try reading for content. You are either being intentionally obtuse, or
you're exceptionally stupid.
I don't think it really matters which it is ...
When I am stupid, that is when I am strong...
I am honestly dumb, and this caused Christ to read
to me the Torah as a dumb and explained it as one
would explain to a dumb.
When will you explain it to the rest of us? Or was the
revelation only for you?
And if so, why?
--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
06 Sep 2005 11:39:22 AM |
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Tom McDonald wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
Andrew F. Heil wrote:
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
Andrew F. Heil wrote:
I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
So If they are not Christian, why are you against them -Laws-
How can you possibly make the moronic claim that I'm against laws, or
generally against killing, stealing and lying?
This is what your post implied.
Let's read exactly what I said:
"I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad."
Now, let me get this straight. You think the above statement implies I
AM AGAINST LAWS?
Otherwise the issue you raise was dealt with by Paul
in His epistle to the Romans which is in fact an epistle
to the Hebrews. "If the Gentiles, who don't know
the Law of Moses act accordingly, it is a proof that
they are the Law for themselves, that the work
of the Law is written in their HEARTS." Ref Romans
Why? because there is but One God who is also
the God of both the Gentiles and the Hebrew to whom
the Law was given.
You are assuming that the pagans were created by their own
god
Nope. How you came to the moronic conclusion that I think some sort of
non-Christian deity created the pagans is a mystery known only to you.
Try reading for content. You are either being intentionally obtuse, or
you're exceptionally stupid.
I don't think it really matters which it is ...
When I am stupid, that is when I am strong...
I am honestly dumb, and this caused Christ to read
to me the Torah as a dumb and explained it as one
would explain to a dumb.
When will you explain it to the rest of us? Or was the
revelation only for you?
Ah, the Usenet and its imperfection...
When you think you're through explaining one thing,
another jerk pops up and asks you to start over again.
Ok. Your question has been answered in my post:
The Making Of The Arabian Messiah, A Prophet Like Moses.
And if so, why?
--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
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| User: "josephus" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
04 Sep 2005 10:29:16 PM |
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wrote:
Andrew F. Heil wrote:
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
Andrew F. Heil wrote:
I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
So If they are not Christian, why are you against them -Laws-
How can you possibly make the moronic claim that I'm against laws, or
generally against killing, stealing and lying?
This is what your post implied.
Let's read exactly what I said:
"I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad."
Now, let me get this straight. You think the above statement implies I
AM AGAINST LAWS?
Otherwise the issue you raise was dealt with by Paul
in His epistle to the Romans which is in fact an epistle
to the Hebrews. "If the Gentiles, who don't know
the Law of Moses act accordingly, it is a proof that
they are the Law for themselves, that the work
of the Law is written in their HEARTS." Ref Romans
Why? because there is but One God who is also
the God of both the Gentiles and the Hebrew to whom
the Law was given.
You are assuming that the pagans were created by their own
god
Nope. How you came to the moronic conclusion that I think some sort of
non-Christian deity created the pagans is a mystery known only to you.
Try reading for content. You are either being intentionally obtuse, or
you're exceptionally stupid.
I don't think it really matters which it is ...
When I am stupid, that is when I am strong...
I am honestly dumb, and this caused Christ to read
to me the Torah as a dumb and explained it as one
would explain to a dumb.
grandiosity and delusions. the denial is typical. the bizarre ideation
and the religiosity are just symptoms. we think CODEBREAKER needs
proffestional help and treatment.
josephus
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
07 Sep 2005 02:02:00 PM |
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josephus wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
Andrew F. Heil wrote:
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
Andrew F. Heil wrote:
I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad.
So If they are not Christian, why are you against them -Laws-
How can you possibly make the moronic claim that I'm against laws, or
generally against killing, stealing and lying?
This is what your post implied.
Let's read exactly what I said:
"I always find it amusing when some Christians seem to think
Christianity invented the notion that killing, stealing, lying, etc.
are generally bad."
Now, let me get this straight. You think the above statement implies I
AM AGAINST LAWS?
Otherwise the issue you raise was dealt with by Paul
in His epistle to the Romans which is in fact an epistle
to the Hebrews. "If the Gentiles, who don't know
the Law of Moses act accordingly, it is a proof that
they are the Law for themselves, that the work
of the Law is written in their HEARTS." Ref Romans
Why? because there is but One God who is also
the God of both the Gentiles and the Hebrew to whom
the Law was given.
You are assuming that the pagans were created by their own
god
Nope. How you came to the moronic conclusion that I think some sort of
non-Christian deity created the pagans is a mystery known only to you.
Try reading for content. You are either being intentionally obtuse, or
you're exceptionally stupid.
I don't think it really matters which it is ...
When I am stupid, that is when I am strong...
I am honestly dumb, and this caused Christ to read
to me the Torah as a dumb and explained it as one
would explain to a dumb.
grandiosity and delusions. the denial is typical. the bizarre ideation
and the religiosity are just symptoms. we think CODEBREAKER needs
proffestional help and treatment.
And that is your assessment. Jesus had His own.
The Bottom line is that EVOLUTION IS DEAD. Then we would know
that it was not delusion
josephus
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| User: "Dana Tweedy" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Commandments and the Law |
07 Sep 2005 05:18:57 PM |
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<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1126119720.265348.103530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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grandiosity and delusions. the denial is typical. the bizarre ideation
and the religiosity are just symptoms. we think CODEBREAKER needs
proffestional help and treatment.
And that is your assessment. Jesus had His own.
Had his own what?
The Bottom line is that EVOLUTION IS DEAD.
No, evolution is a scientific theory that is still quite strong and well
supported by the evidence. What makes you think it's "DEAD"?
Then we would know
that it was not delusion
Since evolution is not "dead" then we must infer that you are having
delusions.
DJT
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