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Religions > Atheism |
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"Gactimus" |
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05 Nov 2004 09:42:38 AM |
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10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
Here’s the best I can do for Democrats if they are serious about actually
winning elections in the future, and not just interested in calling
Republicans "idiots" and "liars." Here goes, try to follow along.
1) People who go to church are not evil. They also vote. There are lots of
them. You do the math.
2) Americans like guns. This won't change. Ever. Work harder to put cop
killers into the electric chair, and stop reaching for Bubba's 12-guage
"duck-shredder" in the back window of his pickup.
3) Get some balls on national defense. President JFK, won the biggest "No-
Limit Hold 'Em" hand of the 20th century against the Soviet Union during
the Cuban missile crisis. (And he was only holding two-Jacks!) What the
hell happened to you people ever since?
4) If you want to connect with the "common man", try NOT to nominate French
speaking, trophy-wife hunting, aloof windsurfers who can't even throw a
baseball 60'6".
5) Tell Michael Moore to go bury himself in a truckload of Hostess
Twinkies. Every party has their freak element. Do you see Pat Buchanan
being trotted out by the GOP anymore?
6) If you think gays should have the right to get married, then win the
argument with the public first. Don't ask judges to cut corners for you.
7) Stop courting the "Youth Vote." Counting on a bunch of Ludacris blasting
punks to save you politically on election day, is like an NBA team saying:
"Don't worry, Shaq's gonna make these free throws."
8) Have lunch with Zell Miller, and actually listen to what he has to say.
You tried dismissing him as a lunatic, but his convention speech was more
spot-on than a ketchup drop on a starched white business shirt. (Oops, I
was channeling my "inner Rather" there, sorry.)
9) Stop taking Hollywood money. It not only makes actors think they have a
right to speak on your party’s behalf, but it has the addictive power of
political heroin. Better to hold a thousand small pancake dinners at WFV
halls in "red country."
10) Lighten up, for once! America really doesn't suck as much as you seem
to think it does. I know liberals have a yearning for "utopian" (aka
"perfect") societies, but let's be real, all humans are flawed. If you
somehow find a way to see America as a great country constantly striving to
be better, you'll start moving into harmony with most Americans. A little
sunshine goes a long way.
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
10 Nov 2004 05:01:15 PM |
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"Strider" <strider@usit.net> wrote in message news:<41921af6$1_2@news.unc.edu>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cms6sq$e86$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Firelock" <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
It is fun watching the rabid gun rights group try to insist that
arms
means
guns... not 'cause they can support it, but because they want it
to.
I'm unfamiliar with this argument...do you claim that "arms" means
swords? Clubs? I thought the amendment made it clear that the
equipment was supposed to be that appropriate for use by a militia,
I'd think that guns would be a minimum.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Disconnection from reality is but one failing of a Liberal.
Actually there have been a coupole of studies that show the opposite.
That disconnection with reality is a failing of the conservative.
That's why they believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
That's why they believe that Bush is doing something about terrorism.
You are a credit to your fellow liberal.
And there's a classic example: The right-wing moron cannot come up
with anything intelligent to write and resorts to the idiotic
"liberal" nonsense.
The label of "Liberal" is defamatory enough.
Really? Why do you say that?
From Dictionary.com:
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or
authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and
tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Not narrow or contracted in mind; not selfish; enlarged in spirit;
catholic.
Not bound by orthodox tenets or established forms in political or
religious philosophy; independent in opinion; not conservative;
friendly to great freedom in the constitution or administration of
government; having tendency toward democratic or republican, as
distinguished from monarchical or aristocratic, forms
showing or characterized by broad-mindedness
tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or
tradition
Synonyms: liberal, bounteous, bountiful, freehanded, generous,
handsome, munificent, openhanded
Actually, such a label sounds complimentary. It contains many
connotations that are positive and traits that one should strive for.
Mark Sebree
Strider
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
10 Nov 2004 10:40:54 AM |
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On 10-Nov-2004, "Strider" <strider@usit.net> wrote:
And there's a classic example: The right-wing moron cannot come up
with anything intelligent to write and resorts to the idiotic
"liberal" nonsense.
The label of "Liberal" is defamatory enough.
Nothing wrong with it at all. That's what we usually call ourselves. Just
like you often refer to your fellow travellers as...what? What do you call
each other?
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| User: "George Graves" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
10 Nov 2004 03:21:04 PM |
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In article <10p4h4ogd9r7a9@corp.supernews.com>,
wrote:
On 10-Nov-2004, "Strider" <strider@usit.net> wrote:
And there's a classic example: The right-wing moron cannot come up
with anything intelligent to write and resorts to the idiotic
"liberal" nonsense.
The label of "Liberal" is defamatory enough.
Nothing wrong with it at all. That's what we usually call ourselves. Just
like you often refer to your fellow travellers as...what? What do you call
each other?
Americans.
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George Graves
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Knowledge is good.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
10 Nov 2004 08:05:59 PM |
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On 10-Nov-2004, George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
The label of "Liberal" is defamatory enough.
Nothing wrong with it at all. That's what we usually call ourselves.
Just
like you often refer to your fellow travellers as...what? What do you
call
each other?
Americans.
--
George Graves
At least you have a sense of humor.
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
10 Nov 2004 06:07:14 PM |
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In article <10p4h4ogd9r7a9@corp.supernews.com>,
peeance.freeance@bayofgoats.org wrote:
-On 10-Nov-2004, "Strider" <strider@usit.net> wrote:
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-> > And there's a classic example: The right-wing moron cannot come up
-> > with anything intelligent to write and resorts to the idiotic
-> > "liberal" nonsense.
->
-> The label of "Liberal" is defamatory enough.
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-Nothing wrong with it at all. That's what we usually call ourselves. Just
-like you often refer to your fellow travellers as...what? What do you call
-each other?
Klansmen, Stalinists, Nazis, Christian Identity
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
Take my polls
http://ninure.100megsfree5.com
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
My Online Diary
http://www.ninure.deardiary.net
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Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.MCCchurch.org
The Bible Site - help provide free scripture
http://www.thebiblesite.org
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
12 Nov 2004 01:12:52 AM |
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Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cms6sq$e86$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Firelock" <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
It is fun watching the rabid gun rights group try to insist that
arms
means
guns... not 'cause they can support it, but because they want it
to.
I'm unfamiliar with this argument...do you claim that "arms" means
swords? Clubs? I thought the amendment made it clear that the
equipment was supposed to be that appropriate for use by a militia,
I'd think that guns would be a minimum.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Disconnection from reality is but one failing of a Liberal.
Actually there have been a coupole of studies that show the opposite.
That disconnection with reality is a failing of the conservative.
That's why they believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
That's why they believe that Bush is doing something about terrorism.
You are a credit to your fellow liberal.
And there's a classic example: The right-wing moron cannot come up
with anything intelligent to write and resorts to the idiotic
"liberal" nonsense.
The label of "Liberal" is defamatory enough.
Jesus was a liberal. That explains why you hate liberals.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Snit" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
09 Nov 2004 12:22:18 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in post
cmr1hq$ck1$1@bolt.sonic.net on 11/9/04 11:16 AM:
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Firelock" <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d98390c0.0411090720.3b07035c@posting.google.com...
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:<BDB1B67D.F58B%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>...
It is fun watching the rabid gun rights group try to insist that arms
means
guns... not 'cause they can support it, but because they want it to.
I'm unfamiliar with this argument...do you claim that "arms" means
swords? Clubs? I thought the amendment made it clear that the
equipment was supposed to be that appropriate for use by a militia,
I'd think that guns would be a minimum.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Disconnection from reality is but one failing of a Liberal.
Actually there have been a coupole of studies that show the opposite.
That disconnection with reality is a failing of the conservative.
That's why they believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
That's why they believe that Bush is doing something about terrorism.
Bush is doing something about terrorism... he is terrorizing innocent people
and increasing the chance that another terrorist attack will hit the US.
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://snipurl.com/BurdenOfProof)
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| User: "Strider" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
09 Nov 2004 12:28:57 PM |
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"Snit" <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:BDB658EA.FFD1%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in post
cmr1hq$ck1$1@bolt.sonic.net on 11/9/04 11:16 AM:
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Firelock" <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d98390c0.0411090720.3b07035c@posting.google.com...
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:<BDB1B67D.F58B%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>...
It is fun watching the rabid gun rights group try to insist that arms
means
guns... not 'cause they can support it, but because they want it to.
I'm unfamiliar with this argument...do you claim that "arms" means
swords? Clubs? I thought the amendment made it clear that the
equipment was supposed to be that appropriate for use by a militia,
I'd think that guns would be a minimum.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Disconnection from reality is but one failing of a Liberal.
Actually there have been a coupole of studies that show the opposite.
That disconnection with reality is a failing of the conservative.
That's why they believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
That's why they believe that Bush is doing something about terrorism.
Bush is doing something about terrorism... he is terrorizing innocent
people
and increasing the chance that another terrorist attack will hit the US.
Watching liberals melt down is quite entertaining.
Strider
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://snipurl.com/BurdenOfProof)
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
09 Nov 2004 12:49:50 PM |
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"Strider" <strider@usit.net> wrote in message
news:41910c95$1_3@news.unc.edu...
"Snit" <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:BDB658EA.FFD1%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in post
cmr1hq$ck1$1@bolt.sonic.net on 11/9/04 11:16 AM:
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Firelock" <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d98390c0.0411090720.3b07035c@posting.google.com...
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:<BDB1B67D.F58B%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>...
It is fun watching the rabid gun rights group try to insist that
arms
means
guns... not 'cause they can support it, but because they want it to.
I'm unfamiliar with this argument...do you claim that "arms" means
swords? Clubs? I thought the amendment made it clear that the
equipment was supposed to be that appropriate for use by a militia,
I'd think that guns would be a minimum.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Disconnection from reality is but one failing of a Liberal.
Actually there have been a coupole of studies that show the opposite.
That disconnection with reality is a failing of the conservative.
That's why they believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
That's why they believe that Bush is doing something about terrorism.
Bush is doing something about terrorism... he is terrorizing innocent
people
and increasing the chance that another terrorist attack will hit the US.
Watching liberals melt down is quite entertaining.
<sigh> Are you really a moron, or do you just play one on Usenet?
Strider
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://snipurl.com/BurdenOfProof)
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| User: "Strider" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
09 Nov 2004 12:56:02 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:ij8kd.141349$5v2.137826@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
"Strider" <strider@usit.net> wrote in message
news:41910c95$1_3@news.unc.edu...
"Snit" <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:BDB658EA.FFD1%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in post
cmr1hq$ck1$1@bolt.sonic.net on 11/9/04 11:16 AM:
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Firelock" <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d98390c0.0411090720.3b07035c@posting.google.com...
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:<BDB1B67D.F58B%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>...
It is fun watching the rabid gun rights group try to insist that
arms
means
guns... not 'cause they can support it, but because they want it
to.
I'm unfamiliar with this argument...do you claim that "arms" means
swords? Clubs? I thought the amendment made it clear that the
equipment was supposed to be that appropriate for use by a militia,
I'd think that guns would be a minimum.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Disconnection from reality is but one failing of a Liberal.
Actually there have been a coupole of studies that show the opposite.
That disconnection with reality is a failing of the conservative.
That's why they believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
That's why they believe that Bush is doing something about terrorism.
Bush is doing something about terrorism... he is terrorizing innocent
people
and increasing the chance that another terrorist attack will hit the
US.
Watching liberals melt down is quite entertaining.
<sigh> Are you really a moron, or do you just play one on Usenet?
Not at all, but I do find Liberals to be at least as entertaining as a rerun
of the Three Stooges and quite similar in format.
Strider
Strider
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://snipurl.com/BurdenOfProof)
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| User: "JEDIDIAH" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
10 Nov 2004 12:37:25 AM |
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.atheism.]
On 2004-11-09, Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Snit" <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:BDB658EA.FFD1%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in post
cmr1hq$ck1$1@bolt.sonic.net on 11/9/04 11:16 AM:
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Firelock" <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d98390c0.0411090720.3b07035c@posting.google.com...
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:<BDB1B67D.F58B%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>...
It is fun watching the rabid gun rights group try to insist that arms
means
guns... not 'cause they can support it, but because they want it to.
I'm unfamiliar with this argument...do you claim that "arms" means
swords? Clubs? I thought the amendment made it clear that the
equipment was supposed to be that appropriate for use by a militia,
I'd think that guns would be a minimum.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Disconnection from reality is but one failing of a Liberal.
Actually there have been a coupole of studies that show the opposite.
That disconnection with reality is a failing of the conservative.
That's why they believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
That's why they believe that Bush is doing something about terrorism.
Bush is doing something about terrorism... he is terrorizing innocent
people
and increasing the chance that another terrorist attack will hit the US.
Watching liberals melt down is quite entertaining.
This is the kind of smugness that will get us nuked.
We had Hussien successfully contained. We flew combat aircraft over
most of his country at will. Instead of spending all this effort on a regime
change, we should have been beefing up intellegence and law enforcement
efforts.
The CIA should be getting the 10's of Billions that Iraq is eating up.
--
AV is a bandaid over a bulletwound.
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Linux posesses no such bulletwounds. / | \
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| User: "Strider" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
10 Nov 2004 07:44:09 AM |
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"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrncp3doq.qd9.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.atheism.]
On 2004-11-09, Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Snit" <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:BDB658EA.FFD1%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in post
cmr1hq$ck1$1@bolt.sonic.net on 11/9/04 11:16 AM:
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Firelock" <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d98390c0.0411090720.3b07035c@posting.google.com...
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:<BDB1B67D.F58B%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>...
It is fun watching the rabid gun rights group try to insist that
arms
means
guns... not 'cause they can support it, but because they want it
to.
I'm unfamiliar with this argument...do you claim that "arms" means
swords? Clubs? I thought the amendment made it clear that the
equipment was supposed to be that appropriate for use by a militia,
I'd think that guns would be a minimum.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Disconnection from reality is but one failing of a Liberal.
Actually there have been a coupole of studies that show the opposite.
That disconnection with reality is a failing of the conservative.
That's why they believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
That's why they believe that Bush is doing something about terrorism.
Bush is doing something about terrorism... he is terrorizing innocent
people
and increasing the chance that another terrorist attack will hit the
US.
Watching liberals melt down is quite entertaining.
This is the kind of smugness that will get us nuked.
The kind of hiding under the desk like Clinton did and Kerry would have done
is what gets us attacked.
It is always better to be in a position of strength in any conflict.
Strider
We had Hussien successfully contained. We flew combat aircraft over
most of his country at will. Instead of spending all this effort on a
regime
change, we should have been beefing up intellegence and law enforcement
efforts.
The CIA should be getting the 10's of Billions that Iraq is eating up.
--
AV is a bandaid over a bulletwound.
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Linux posesses no such bulletwounds. / | \
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
09 Nov 2004 12:55:39 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:22:18 -0700, Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in post
cmr1hq$ck1$1@bolt.sonic.net on 11/9/04 11:16 AM:
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Firelock" <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d98390c0.0411090720.3b07035c@posting.google.com...
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:<BDB1B67D.F58B%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>...
It is fun watching the rabid gun rights group try to insist that arms
means
guns... not 'cause they can support it, but because they want it to.
I'm unfamiliar with this argument...do you claim that "arms" means
swords? Clubs? I thought the amendment made it clear that the
equipment was supposed to be that appropriate for use by a militia,
I'd think that guns would be a minimum.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Disconnection from reality is but one failing of a Liberal.
Actually there have been a coupole of studies that show the opposite.
That disconnection with reality is a failing of the conservative.
That's why they believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
That's why they believe that Bush is doing something about terrorism.
Bush is doing something about terrorism... he is terrorizing innocent people
and increasing the chance that another terrorist attack will hit the US.
It's why the British newspaper headlines wondered how many people
could be so dumb.
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| User: "Strider" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
09 Nov 2004 01:21:36 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:uj42p0l8t510ai5m9qggbaptp8nkm7erp9@4ax.com...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:22:18 -0700, Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in post
cmr1hq$ck1$1@bolt.sonic.net on 11/9/04 11:16 AM:
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Firelock" <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d98390c0.0411090720.3b07035c@posting.google.com...
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:<BDB1B67D.F58B%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>...
It is fun watching the rabid gun rights group try to insist that
arms
means
guns... not 'cause they can support it, but because they want it to.
I'm unfamiliar with this argument...do you claim that "arms" means
swords? Clubs? I thought the amendment made it clear that the
equipment was supposed to be that appropriate for use by a militia,
I'd think that guns would be a minimum.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Disconnection from reality is but one failing of a Liberal.
Actually there have been a coupole of studies that show the opposite.
That disconnection with reality is a failing of the conservative.
That's why they believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
That's why they believe that Bush is doing something about terrorism.
Bush is doing something about terrorism... he is terrorizing innocent
people
and increasing the chance that another terrorist attack will hit the US.
It's why the British newspaper headlines wondered how many people
could be so dumb.
No. Brit papers are run by the misguided children of the people that thought
appeasement would keep Hitler at bay.
Strider
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| User: "JEDIDIAH" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Helpful Hints for the Democratic Party |
10 Nov 2004 12:35:30 AM |
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.atheism.]
On 2004-11-09, Ray Fischer <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Strider <strider@usit.net> wrote:
"Firelock" <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d98390c0.0411090720.3b07035c@posting.google.com...
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
news:<BDB1B67D.F58B%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>...
It is fun watching the rabid gun rights group try to insist that arms
means
guns... not 'cause they can support it, but because they want it to.
I'm unfamiliar with this argument...do you claim that "arms" means
swords? Clubs? I thought the amendment made it clear that the
equipment was supposed to be that appropriate for use by a militia,
I'd think that guns would be a minimum.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Disconnection from reality is but one failing of a Liberal.
Actually there have been a coupole of studies that show the opposite.
That disconnection with reality is a failing of the conservative.
That's why they believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
That's why they believe that Bush is doing something about terrorism.
That's why they believe that Bush is more moral.
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"Firelock" <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in post
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Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
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It is fun watching the rabid gun rights group try to insist that arms means
guns... not 'cause they can support it, but because they want it to.
I'm unfamiliar with this argument...do you claim that "arms" means
swords? Clubs? I thought the amendment made it clear that the
equipment was supposed to be that appropriate for use by a militia,
I'd think that guns would be a minimum.
The argument is that arms did not mean *all* arms, just some. In csma I was
told to go look up how the word "arms" was used in the Federalist Papers -
that it would show that at the time "arms" meant guns... and not all arms.
What I found was the exact opposite. Arms then meant much as it does now -
all weapons.
So if people think the second applies to all arms with no limits, I should
be able to have a nuke or weaponized anthrax, etc. This is, of course,
silly... the question is not *if* we should limit arms, but where the limit
should be.
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If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
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06 Nov 2004 10:40:14 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<1099669359.PvyR39WfTI+7cHzmlzdh3Q@bubbanews>...
Here?s the best I can do for Democrats if they are serious about actually
winning elections in the future, and not just interested in calling
Republicans "idiots" and "liars." Here goes, try to follow along.
1) People who go to church are not evil. They also vote. There are lots of
them. You do the math.
Democrates have never believed churchgoers to be evil.
2) Americans like guns. This won't change. Ever. Work harder to put cop
killers into the electric chair, and stop reaching for Bubba's 12-guage
"duck-shredder" in the back window of his pickup.
Most Americans favor gun control.
3) Get some balls on national defense. President JFK, won the biggest "No-
Limit Hold 'Em" hand of the 20th century against the Soviet Union during
the Cuban missile crisis. (And he was only holding two-Jacks!) What the
hell happened to you people ever since?
Democrats are stronger on defense than Republicans. Republicans like
to throw money at the defense issue; Democrats prefer wisdom.
4) If you want to connect with the "common man", try NOT to nominate French
speaking, trophy-wife hunting, aloof windsurfers who can't even throw a
baseball 60'6".
Kerry is none of these.
5) Tell Michael Moore to go bury himself in a truckload of Hostess
Twinkies. Every party has their freak element. Do you see Pat Buchanan
being trotted out by the GOP anymore?
Michael Moore speaks the truth. Buchanan lies. There's a big
difference.
6) If you think gays should have the right to get married, then win the
argument with the public first. Don't ask judges to cut corners for you.
Judges ruled on Brown v. Board of Education in the 1950s, and now the
conservatives pretend they never opposed integration. 40 years from
now, the GOP will be pretending they never opposed gay marriage.
The Constitution guarantees equal rights for all. If it takes judges
to force equal rights, so be it. What is it about "equal rights for
all" that you Republicans don't understand?
7) Stop courting the "Youth Vote." Counting on a bunch of Ludacris blasting
punks to save you politically on election day, is like an NBA team saying:
"Don't worry, Shaq's gonna make these free throws."
Young people tend to value freedom. Since freedom is at stake (i.e,
the GOP oppose freedom), it's important to get them to vote.
8) Have lunch with Zell Miller, and actually listen to what he has to say.
You tried dismissing him as a lunatic, but his convention speech was more
spot-on than a ketchup drop on a starched white business shirt. (Oops, I
was channeling my "inner Rather" there, sorry.)
Miller is a lunatic. I see he lost his seat ans was replaced by a
fellow Republican.
9) Stop taking Hollywood money.
Only if you stop taking corporate money. Deal?
10) Lighten up, for once! America really doesn't suck as much as you seem
to think it does.
It sucks more than it used to. Bush is royally fucking it up. Abortion
rights, free speech rights and euqal rights for all are in serious
jeopardy. Censorship is on the rise. The government is becoming bigger
and more intrusive. The Constitution is being violated left and right
by the Republicans. The national debt is ballooning. Americans are
sying. Terrorists are becoming more motivated to attack us.
We didn't have that ten years ago.
I know liberals have a yearning for "utopian" (aka
"perfect") societies, but let's be real, all humans are flawed.
The only way to make society better is to work in that direction
instead of against it.
Want a world free of war? Work for peace. Want a world where everyone
is free? Work against oppression. Want a world where everyone is
well-off? Work against poverty. It's not a difficult concept to
understand.
If you
somehow find a way to see America as a great country constantly striving to
be better,
Actually, we DO see America as striving to be better. But we see the
Republicans as the barrier to that goal.
you'll start moving into harmony with most Americans. A little
sunshine goes a long way.
Sunshine? Why does this not apply to the Republicans? They emit
nothing but vitriol. When they win, they gloat and rob their
opponents' faces in it. When someone voices an opposing view, they
punish that person. They have nothing but scorn for the poor, calling
them lazy, and for people who value peace and love, calling them
sissies. They seem to believe that being merciless and macho and
uncaring are virtuous qualities, yet at the same time claim they
follow the teahcings of Jesus.
I can't feel sunny towards people of nasty disposition and no moral
scruples. I can't feel sunny towards people who are unapologetically
and openly trying to destroy American freedom and culture.
If someone destroys the country I love, I can't feel any good feelings
toward them.
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06 Nov 2004 03:28:51 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<1099669359.PvyR39WfTI+7cHzmlzdh3Q@bubbanews>...
Here?s the best I can do for Democrats if they are serious about actually
winning elections in the future, and not just interested in calling
Republicans "idiots" and "liars." Here goes, try to follow along.
[...]
Nah. We're going to identify Confederate, Christian fundamentalist
leaders, organizations and businesses. You certainly can do business
with fellow Bushie facists.
Target Bushie fascists
http://snipurl.com/afuj
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06 Nov 2004 06:02:10 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<1099669359.PvyR39WfTI+7cHzmlzdh3Q@bubbanews>...
Here?s the best I can do for Democrats if they are serious about actually
winning elections in the future, and not just interested in calling
Republicans "idiots" and "liars." Here goes, try to follow along.
You haven't got a clue if you think any of that stuff represents
Democrates. That is just the propoganda your Republican masters told
you represented us.
BTW -
6) If you think gays should have the right to get married, then win the
argument with the public first. Don't ask judges to cut corners for you.
Since when do civil rights need to be voted on? Do you think it would
be alright to vote a second-class citizenship to African-Americans?
That's what you proposed for gays. How do you justify that kind of
logic?
jwk
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06 Nov 2004 06:08:07 PM |
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"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in post
c6f5ba32.0411061602.25c286fd@posting.google.com on 11/6/04 5:02 PM:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:<1099669359.PvyR39WfTI+7cHzmlzdh3Q@bubbanews>...
Here?s the best I can do for Democrats if they are serious about actually
winning elections in the future, and not just interested in calling
Republicans "idiots" and "liars." Here goes, try to follow along.
You haven't got a clue if you think any of that stuff represents
Democrates. That is just the propoganda your Republican masters told
you represented us.
BTW -
6) If you think gays should have the right to get married, then win the
argument with the public first. Don't ask judges to cut corners for you.
Since when do civil rights need to be voted on? Do you think it would
be alright to vote a second-class citizenship to African-Americans?
That's what you proposed for gays. How do you justify that kind of
logic?
Perhaps likes some other bigots seen in Usenet, he thinks that marriage
rights are all about kids, and any gay couples with kids are "parasites".
Really... one of the bigots in csma uses that word to describe gay couples
with kids.
I find the thinking of such bigots to be repulsive... sad to see so much of
it exist on line. Even worse to see it in the elections.
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If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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05 Nov 2004 04:29:31 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:42:38 GMT, Gactimus
<gactimus@xrs.net> let us all know that:
[irrelevant newsgroups snipped to prevent the troll from accomplishing
his mission]
Here’s the best I can do for Democrats if they are serious about actually
winning elections in the future, and not just interested in calling
Republicans "idiots" and "liars." Here goes, try to follow along.
1) People who go to church are not evil. They also vote. There are lots of
them. You do the math.
And people who do not go to church are not evil. Tell the GOP to
stop thinking that they are.
2) Americans like guns. This won't change. Ever. Work harder to put cop
killers into the electric chair, and stop reaching for Bubba's 12-guage
"duck-shredder" in the back window of his pickup.
No, the prison system must be abolished in favor of restitution.
3) Get some balls on national defense. President JFK, won the biggest "No-
Limit Hold 'Em" hand of the 20th century against the Soviet Union during
the Cuban missile crisis. (And he was only holding two-Jacks!) What the
hell happened to you people ever since?
National defense does not mean invading 3rd world shitholes that
have no ability to harm us.
4) If you want to connect with the "common man", try NOT to nominate French
speaking, trophy-wife hunting, aloof windsurfers who can't even throw a
baseball 60'6".
Or someone who can't pronounce "nuclear" correctly.
5) Tell Michael Moore to go bury himself in a truckload of Hostess
Twinkies. Every party has their freak element. Do you see Pat Buchanan
being trotted out by the GOP anymore?
Pat Buchanan rips on the GOP and dems.
6) If you think gays should have the right to get married, then win the
argument with the public first. Don't ask judges to cut corners for you.
Nah. We'll let the judges do what they should, especially since
blacks and whites had to go to court to be able to get married.
9) Stop taking Hollywood money.
As opposed to having Hollywood actors as politicians?
10) Lighten up, for once! America really doesn't suck as much as you seem
to think it does. I know liberals have a yearning for "utopian" (aka
"perfect") societies, but let's be real, all humans are flawed.
In what way?
Don
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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06 Nov 2004 11:45:47 AM |
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In article <1099669359.PvyR39WfTI+7cHzmlzdh3Q@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
1) People who go to church are not evil. They also vote. There are lots of
them. You do the math.
A majority of Democrats are church-goers. If you believe otherwise you
are merely listening to rightwing propaganda.
2) Americans like guns.
Democrats like guns. A majority of Democrats own guns and a large number
of them are NRA members. Michael Moore, for example.
3) Get some balls on national defense.
If you study the history of America and who's been in control during
which wars, you'll notice that Democrats win wars and Republicans only
involve us in quagmires from which there is no apparent escape. Nixon
got us out of Viet Nam by basically surrendering. Whatta hero.
4) If you want to connect with the "common man", try NOT to nominate French
speaking, trophy-wife hunting, aloof windsurfers who can't even throw a
baseball 60'6".
How's YOUR pitching arm Gacky? Was Dubya able to get the ball across the
plate inside the strike zone? (I think maybe he did, good for him.)
Bush is no more the "common man" than Kerry; he's never held a real job
and up until the late 70s he was nothing but a sissyboy Harvard
cheerleader. When he decided to run for Governor of Texas he put on that
good ol' boy Texan routine and he's been pulling the wool over your eyes
ever since.
5) Tell Michael Moore to go bury himself in a truckload of Hostess
Twinkies. Every party has their freak element. Do you see Pat Buchanan
being trotted out by the GOP anymore?
That's because Pat Buchanan doesn't think George Bush is a very good
president. Neither do a lot of *real* conservatives.
And if we lose Michael Moore, which I'm perfectly okay with btw, y'all
gotta lose Ann Coulter. She's a fucking psycho ***** from the lower
circles of Hell.
6) If you think gays should have the right to get married, then win the
argument with the public first. Don't ask judges to cut corners for you.
Y'know what, good point. Although *I* certainly never "asked" any judge
to do that. We need to make the average American realize that gay people
having the same rights as other people isn't going to affect them even
the tiniest bit.
Which of course means we have to get the Conservatives to stop trying to
make it look like gay people having rights is the end of all
civilization and if it happens we'll all be sleeping with the trash
compactor or Fluffy the Gerbil.
7) Stop courting the "Youth Vote." Counting on a bunch of Ludacris blasting
punks to save you politically on election day, is like an NBA team saying:
"Don't worry, Shaq's gonna make these free throws."
Eh, there's a percentage of kids out there that'll see how cool it is to
get involved. There's a percentage that won't. Why not try to get hold
of the ones that'll react?
8) Have lunch with Zell Miller, and actually listen to what he has to say.
No, uh-uh. Miller just needs to shut up, sit down and go over to the
Republican party already. The string of lies he spouted at the RNC was
utterly unforgivable. That line of ***** about defunding defense programs
- the same programs Cheney was canceling when he was Secretary of
Defense. Come ON now.
9) Stop taking Hollywood money.
Money's money, but point taken - take their money and tell them "thank
you, now try not to look like a complete idiot talking politics to the
newsies, okay?"
10) Lighten up, for once!
Perspective - I happen to think the Democratic party is a hell of a lot
"lighter" than the Republicans, with all their hate and warmongering.
Bah.
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06 Nov 2004 03:45:32 PM |
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"forge" <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote in message
news:forge-1C8607.12454706112004@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <1099669359.PvyR39WfTI+7cHzmlzdh3Q@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
1) People who go to church are not evil. They also vote. There are lots
of
them. You do the math.
A majority of Democrats are church-goers. If you believe otherwise you
are merely listening to rightwing propaganda.
While true, the party does not act like it. As an atheist, I have to cringe
at the fact, but as a realist I cannot deny that most Americans want to be
pandered to concerning religion.
2) Americans like guns.
Democrats like guns. A majority of Democrats own guns and a large number
of them are NRA members. Michael Moore, for example.
Whether it is a matter of perception or reality, teh Dems are percieved as
not being so. I personally think that there is ample evidence to support
the notion of Dems being in favor of more restrictions on gun ownership.
Either way, perception *is* the reality of politics.
3) Get some balls on national defense.
If you study the history of America and who's been in control during
which wars, you'll notice that Democrats win wars and Republicans only
involve us in quagmires from which there is no apparent escape. Nixon
got us out of Viet Nam by basically surrendering. Whatta hero.
The Dems of my youth were indeed responsible on issues of national security.
They've changed. The Dem party I see today looks like a reunion of Vietnam
war protestors who just can't break the habit.
4) If you want to connect with the "common man", try NOT to nominate
French
speaking, trophy-wife hunting, aloof windsurfers who can't even throw a
baseball 60'6".
How's YOUR pitching arm Gacky? Was Dubya able to get the ball across the
plate inside the strike zone? (I think maybe he did, good for him.)
Bush is no more the "common man" than Kerry; he's never held a real job
and up until the late 70s he was nothing but a sissyboy Harvard
cheerleader. When he decided to run for Governor of Texas he put on that
good ol' boy Texan routine and he's been pulling the wool over your eyes
ever since.
Bush has a style that most people can relate to easily. I wouldn't take
Gactimus' advice so literally. I think that what is important in what he is
saying si that a candidate should be someone that people are comfortable
with. That means that he/she should not put on an act. Voters can tell
immediately when someone is not being who they pretend they are.
5) Tell Michael Moore to go bury himself in a truckload of Hostess
Twinkies. Every party has their freak element. Do you see Pat Buchanan
being trotted out by the GOP anymore?
That's because Pat Buchanan doesn't think George Bush is a very good
president. Neither do a lot of *real* conservatives.
And if we lose Michael Moore, which I'm perfectly okay with btw, y'all
gotta lose Ann Coulter. She's a fucking psycho ***** from the lower
circles of Hell.
But the Reps didn't put Ann on display as an honored guest. They didn't
quote her in their speeches or repeat her points. I don't know of a single
instance of the Bush campaign ever acknowledging her existence.
6) If you think gays should have the right to get married, then win the
argument with the public first. Don't ask judges to cut corners for you.
Y'know what, good point. Although *I* certainly never "asked" any judge
to do that. We need to make the average American realize that gay people
having the same rights as other people isn't going to affect them even
the tiniest bit.
Which of course means we have to get the Conservatives to stop trying to
make it look like gay people having rights is the end of all
civilization and if it happens we'll all be sleeping with the trash
compactor or Fluffy the Gerbil.
*You've* never asked any judge to do so, but Dems have appointed judges who
were willing to listen to and legislate on behalf of those who have. Not a
good idea, if you want to have a party that seeks the public's trust.
7) Stop courting the "Youth Vote." Counting on a bunch of Ludacris
blasting
punks to save you politically on election day, is like an NBA team
saying:
"Don't worry, Shaq's gonna make these free throws."
Eh, there's a percentage of kids out there that'll see how cool it is to
get involved. There's a percentage that won't. Why not try to get hold
of the ones that'll react?
I think that Gactimus would have expressed his point better if he said
.."stop counting on the youth vote," to win elections. By all means, drop
your lines where you think the fish are.
8) Have lunch with Zell Miller, and actually listen to what he has to
say.
No, uh-uh. Miller just needs to shut up, sit down and go over to the
Republican party already. The string of lies he spouted at the RNC was
utterly unforgivable. That line of ***** about defunding defense programs
- the same programs Cheney was canceling when he was Secretary of
Defense. Come ON now.
How about listening to Lieberman or Bayh for example? Or even *Bob* Kerry?
Lieberman was booed off the stage repeatedly during the Dem primaries. I
thought it was disgraceful.
9) Stop taking Hollywood money.
Money's money, but point taken - take their money and tell them "thank
you, now try not to look like a complete idiot talking politics to the
newsies, okay?"
10) Lighten up, for once!
Perspective - I happen to think the Democratic party is a hell of a lot
"lighter" than the Republicans, with all their hate and warmongering.
Bah.
I would add to this list that the Dems should drop the, "we're so angry and
you should be too," bit. For years, they've run their campaigns as thought
he force of their righteous anger would be sufficient to ensure that others
would be infected by it. They should quit trying to manufacture anger and
offer constructive answers instead.
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06 Nov 2004 04:00:52 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in post
0Cbjd.46698$hr3.1840419@twister.southeast.rr.com on 11/6/04 2:45 PM:
1) People who go to church are not evil. They also vote. There are lots of
them. You do the math.
A majority of Democrats are church-goers. If you believe otherwise you are
merely listening to rightwing propaganda.
While true, the party does not act like it. As an atheist, I have to cringe
at the fact, but as a realist I cannot deny that most Americans want to be
pandered to concerning religion.
Sadly true, and even more sad that this has to affect politics. I
understand in Europe and that this is not the case - the public does not mix
religion and politics as much as people do in the US.
2) Americans like guns.
Democrats like guns. A majority of Democrats own guns and a large number of
them are NRA members. Michael Moore, for example.
Whether it is a matter of perception or reality, teh Dems are percieved as not
being so. I personally think that there is ample evidence to support the
notion of Dems being in favor of more restrictions on gun ownership. Either
way, perception *is* the reality of politics.
Nobody, or at least almost nobody, wants people to be able to have any
armament they want - so the question is not should we limit arms but *where*
do we draw the line. The Dems may want to draw a more strict line... but
the Reps lie about it and claim it is a 2nd amendment issue as though they
support the right for all people to own any arms... which is simply not
true.
3) Get some balls on national defense.
If you study the history of America and who's been in control during which
wars, you'll notice that Democrats win wars and Republicans only involve us
in quagmires from which there is no apparent escape. Nixon got us out of Viet
Nam by basically surrendering. Whatta hero.
The Dems of my youth were indeed responsible on issues of national security.
They've changed. The Dem party I see today looks like a reunion of Vietnam
war protestors who just can't break the habit.
Well, with Iraq there just is not a war worth supporting. Many Dems did
support the war on Afghanistan.
4) If you want to connect with the "common man", try NOT to nominate French
speaking, trophy-wife hunting, aloof windsurfers who can't even throw a
baseball 60'6".
How's YOUR pitching arm Gacky? Was Dubya able to get the ball across the
plate inside the strike zone? (I think maybe he did, good for him.)
Bush is no more the "common man" than Kerry; he's never held a real job and
up until the late 70s he was nothing but a sissyboy Harvard cheerleader. When
he decided to run for Governor of Texas he put on that good ol' boy Texan
routine and he's been pulling the wool over your eyes ever since.
Bush has a style that most people can relate to easily. I wouldn't take
Gactimus' advice so literally. I think that what is important in what he is
saying si that a candidate should be someone that people are comfortable with.
That means that he/she should not put on an act. Voters can tell immediately
when someone is not being who they pretend they are.
Bush is very clearly putting on an act. He likely could pronounce "nuclear"
correctly if he really wanted to, for example.
Kerry's problem, and Gore's too, was that they were not emotional enough.
Both were left brained thinkers, and not particularly good "relaters"...
being that the presidency is about being a figure head, such things do
matter. More than that, they also matter for getting votes.
5) Tell Michael Moore to go bury himself in a truckload of Hostess Twinkies.
Every party has their freak element. Do you see Pat Buchanan being trotted
out by the GOP anymore?
That's because Pat Buchanan doesn't think George Bush is a very good
president. Neither do a lot of *real* conservatives.
And if we lose Michael Moore, which I'm perfectly okay with btw, y'all gotta
lose Ann Coulter. She's a fucking psycho ***** from the lower circles of Hell.
But the Reps didn't put Ann on display as an honored guest. They didn't quote
her in their speeches or repeat her points. I don't know of a single instance
of the Bush campaign ever acknowledging her existence.
How about Rush? I do not know how they treated him...
6) If you think gays should have the right to get married, then win the
argument with the public first. Don't ask judges to cut corners for you.
Y'know what, good point. Although *I* certainly never "asked" any judge to do
that. We need to make the average American realize that gay people having the
same rights as other people isn't going to affect them even the tiniest bit.
Which of course means we have to get the Conservatives to stop trying to make
it look like gay people having rights is the end of all civilization and if
it happens we'll all be sleeping with the trash compactor or Fluffy the
Gerbil.
*You've* never asked any judge to do so, but Dems have appointed judges who
were willing to listen to and legislate on behalf of those who have. Not a
good idea, if you want to have a party that seeks the public's trust.
LOL... you do recall how Bush got "elected" the first time, don't you? Talk
about activist judges!
http://hometown.aol.com/marklevineesq/myhomepage/election.html
or
http://snipurl.com/ag7x
7) Stop courting the "Youth Vote." Counting on a bunch of Ludacris blasting
punks to save you politically on election day, is like an NBA team saying:
"Don't worry, Shaq's gonna make these free throws."
Eh, there's a percentage of kids out there that'll see how cool it is to get
involved. There's a percentage that won't. Why not try to get hold of the
ones that'll react?
I think that Gactimus would have expressed his point better if he said ."stop
counting on the youth vote," to win elections. By all means, drop your lines
where you think the fish are.
We should reach out to all citizens ... which really can only happen if the
silly Electoral College were to go away.
8) Have lunch with Zell Miller, and actually listen to what he has to say.
No, uh-uh. Miller just needs to shut up, sit down and go over to the
Republican party already. The string of lies he spouted at the RNC was
utterly unforgivable. That line of ***** about defunding defense programs -
the same programs Cheney was canceling when he was Secretary of Defense. Come
ON now.
How about listening to Lieberman or Bayh for example? Or even *Bob* Kerry?
Lieberman was booed off the stage repeatedly during the Dem primaries. I
thought it was disgraceful.
9) Stop taking Hollywood money.
Money's money, but point taken - take their money and tell them "thank you,
now try not to look like a complete idiot talking politics to the newsies,
okay?"
10) Lighten up, for once!
Perspective - I happen to think the Democratic party is a hell of a lot
"lighter" than the Republicans, with all their hate and warmongering. Bah.
I would add to this list that the Dems should drop the, "we're so angry and
you should be too," bit. For years, they've run their campaigns as thought he
force of their righteous anger would be sufficient to ensure that others would
be infected by it. They should quit trying to manufacture anger and offer
constructive answers instead.
Constructive answer number 1: Get Bush *out* of the White House.
What could possibly be better for the country?
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If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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07 Nov 2004 05:10:29 AM |
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On 2004-11-07 09:00:52 +1100, Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> said:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in post
0Cbjd.46698$hr3.1840419@twister.southeast.rr.com on 11/6/04 2:45 PM:
1) People who go to church are not evil. They also vote. There are lots of
them. You do the math.
A majority of Democrats are church-goers. If you believe otherwise you are
merely listening to rightwing propaganda.
While true, the party does not act like it. As an atheist, I have to cringe
at the fact, but as a realist I cannot deny that most Americans want to be
pandered to concerning religion.
Sadly true, and even more sad that this has to affect politics. I
understand in Europe and that this is not the case - the public does not mix
religion and politics as much as people do in the US.
True.
Australia is getting like America unfortunately; Australia used to be
uniquely Australian 15 years ago, now its just a cheap immitation of
America.
As for NZ, the current Prime Minister is agnostic, same with the
opposition conservative leader. Deputy leader is also agnostic; What is
quite nice, Dr Helen Clarke as Prime Minsiter, Dr Michael Cullen for
finance minister; seems like we're got quite a line up compared to the
knuckle draggers Bushed pulled in from the range to "advise him".
Matty
--
"If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty
and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could
ever have prospered." - The Wealth of Nations, Book IV, Chapter IX
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this
world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or
all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of
government except all those other forms that have been tried from time
to time." - Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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07 Nov 2004 11:17:06 AM |
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[irrelevant groups trimmed]
"Matty" <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2v6e5aF2gtvf2U1@uni-berlin.de...
[snip]
As for NZ, the current Prime Minister is agnostic, same with the
opposition conservative leader. Deputy leader is also agnostic; What is
quite nice, Dr Helen Clarke as Prime Minsiter, Dr Michael Cullen for
finance minister; seems like we're got quite a line up compared to the
knuckle draggers Bushed pulled in from the range to "advise him".
Careful! They're gonna be a-comin' after you! As soon as they get out of
their weekly brainwashing session, excuse me, church.
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| User: "Matty" |
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07 Nov 2004 09:17:29 PM |
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On 2004-11-08 04:17:06 +1100, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> said:
[irrelevant groups trimmed]
"Matty" <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2v6e5aF2gtvf2U1@uni-berlin.de...
[snip]
As for NZ, the current Prime Minister is agnostic, same with the
opposition conservative leader. Deputy leader is also agnostic; What is
quite nice, Dr Helen Clarke as Prime Minsiter, Dr Michael Cullen for
finance minister; seems like we're got quite a line up compared to the
knuckle draggers Bushed pulled in from the range to "advise him".
Careful! They're gonna be a-comin' after you! As soon as they get out
of their weekly brainwashing session, excuse me, church.
LOL :-)
Then again, you're assuming that these idiots know the location of NZ,
most of these morons don't have a passport let alone a concept of where
countries outside the United States are; just take GWB, whose first
trip outside the US was when he was made president; yeap, 50 years
sitting on his ***** in Texas and suddenly realises at 50 there is a big
world out there and that sister fucking and banjo tuning isn't a normal
past time.
Matty
--
"If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty
and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could
ever have prospered." - The Wealth of Nations, Book IV, Chapter IX
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this
world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or
all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of
government except all those other forms that have been tried from time
to time." - Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947
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| User: "John Baker" |
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08 Nov 2004 01:13:30 AM |
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"Matty" <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2v86qfF2hqe20U11@uni-berlin.de...
On 2004-11-08 04:17:06 +1100, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> said:
[irrelevant groups trimmed]
"Matty" <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2v6e5aF2gtvf2U1@uni-berlin.de...
[snip]
As for NZ, the current Prime Minister is agnostic, same with the
opposition conservative leader. Deputy leader is also agnostic; What is
quite nice, Dr Helen Clarke as Prime Minsiter, Dr Michael Cullen for
finance minister; seems like we're got quite a line up compared to the
knuckle draggers Bushed pulled in from the range to "advise him".
Careful! They're gonna be a-comin' after you! As soon as they get out of
their weekly brainwashing session, excuse me, church.
LOL :-)
Then again, you're assuming that these idiots know the location of NZ,
most of these morons don't have a passport let alone a concept of where
countries outside the United States are; just take GWB, whose first trip
outside the US was when he was made president; yeap, 50 years sitting on
his ***** in Texas and suddenly realises at 50 there is a big world out
there and that sister fucking and banjo tuning isn't a normal past time.
It is if you're from Texas. <G>
Matty
--
"If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty
and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could ever
have prospered." - The Wealth of Nations, Book IV, Chapter IX
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world
of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise.
Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government
except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." -
Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947
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| User: "Matty" |
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08 Nov 2004 04:16:19 AM |
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On 2004-11-08 18:13:30 +1100, "John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> said:
"Matty" <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2v86qfF2hqe20U11@uni-berlin.de...
On 2004-11-08 04:17:06 +1100, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> said:
[irrelevant groups trimmed]
"Matty" <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2v6e5aF2gtvf2U1@uni-berlin.de...
[snip]
As for NZ, the current Prime Minister is agnostic, same with the
opposition conservative leader. Deputy leader is also agnostic; What is
quite nice, Dr Helen Clarke as Prime Minsiter, Dr Michael Cullen for
finance minister; seems like we're got quite a line up compared to the
knuckle draggers Bushed pulled in from the range to "advise him".
Careful! They're gonna be a-comin' after you! As soon as they get out
of their weekly brainwashing session, excuse me, church.
LOL :-)
Then again, you're assuming that these idiots know the location of NZ,
most of these morons don't have a passport let alone a concept of where
countries outside the United States are; just take GWB, whose first
trip outside the US was when he was made president; yeap, 50 years
sitting on his ***** in Texas and suddenly realises at 50 there is a big
world out there and that sister fucking and banjo tuning isn't a normal
past time.
It is if you're from Texas. <G>
LOL :-)
Maybe the biggest shock was when he was told that the Soviet Union no
longer exists :-)
Matty
--
"If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty
and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could
ever have prospered." - The Wealth of Nations, Book IV, Chapter IX
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this
world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or
all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of
government except all those other forms that have been tried from time
to time." - Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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07 Nov 2004 09:31:19 PM |
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Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On 2004-11-08 04:17:06 +1100, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org>
said:
[irrelevant groups trimmed]
"Matty" <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2v6e5aF2gtvf2U1@uni-berlin.de...
[snip]
As for NZ, the current Prime Minister is agnostic, same with the
opposition conservative leader. Deputy leader is also agnostic;
What is quite nice, Dr Helen Clarke as Prime Minsiter, Dr Michael
Cullen for finance minister; seems like we're got quite a line up
compared to the knuckle draggers Bushed pulled in from the range to
"advise him".
Careful! They're gonna be a-comin' after you! As soon as they get out
of their weekly brainwashing session, excuse me, church.
LOL :-)
Then again, you're assuming that these idiots know the location of NZ,
most of these morons don't have a passport let alone a concept of
where countries outside the United States are; just take GWB, whose
first
trip outside the US was when he was made president; yeap, 50 years
sitting on his ***** in Texas and suddenly realises at 50 there is a big
world out there and that sister fucking and banjo tuning isn't a
normal past time.
Matty
Everyone that I know have been to Canada None of them own Banjos. One or
two of them own steel guitars. Although I'm not quite sure where this Banjo
predjudice comes from. Some perfectly good Bluegrass and Country music
employs a Banjo. Oh well, I suppose if you must be a bigot against
something...
--
"How do I know that? How can I say that? Let me give you a closer look.
Look at the image on the left. On the left is a close-up of one of the
four chemical bunkers. The two arrows indicate the presence of sure
signs that the bunkers are storing chemical munitions."
Remarks to the United Nations Security Council, United Nations
(2/5/2003).
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