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30 Oct 2004 05:57:46 PM |
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10 Point Checklist For Dubya voters! |
10 POINT CHECKLIST FOR DUBYA VOTERS!
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A vote for DUBYA will be automatic if you support:
1. Plutocratic sponsored state terrorism.
2. Plutocratic state terrorism to boost the profits of US
corporations.
3. Plutocratic neo-imperialism.
4. Plutocratic neo-imperialism to boost the profits of US
corporations.
5. Increased recruitment of Islamic resistance terrorists and
incidents of terrorist counter-strikes.
6. A lower GDP and a permanent loss of US jobs.
7. A ruinous debt on the backs of the US middle to lower-income
earners.
8. A US dollar worth about 80% less as bond-holders 'cut and
run'.
9. A pariah status for the USA as the world's only super-rogue
terrorist state.
10. Flirtation with Armageddon. ('bring it on' Bush's famous
invitation to the Islamic resistance that Americans are ready for
their counter-strike. Why? Sky-God loving Evangelicals will reach
Paradise so much sooner!
"Get on board little children, There's room for many a-more". Want to
ride with Dubya little children?:
http://www.coastdogs.com/mylist/Dubya_Rides_to_Glory.png
There ya go folks!
Dev Carter
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| User: "Brooks Gregory" |
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30 Oct 2004 06:30:58 PM |
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I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
But you know what? I just don't want to be associated with a party that
claims as it's moral compass the likes of Larry Flynt, Michael Moore, Whoopi
Goldberg, John Mellencamp, Howard Stern and that ilk, and that denigrates
the brave men and women in our military and the Americans that believe in
God and that the flag is sacred and that the traditions that Americans have
long cherished still have value.
So, I leave the party to those that think a temper tantrum qualifies as a
Presidential campaign, abortion is the choice of convenience and disorderly
conduct is a virtue.
I doubt I will ever be able to say I'm proud I voted Republican, but I can
sure say I'm proud I'll no longer be a Democrat.
I do wish you well though and hope that maybe one day the Democratic party
will return to the once proud party of integrity, honesty and regain the
attitude that what is best for America is best for the party and not the
other way around.
--
Brooks Gregory
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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31 Oct 2004 09:23:28 AM |
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"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message
news:SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com...
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time
in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
So, after four years of chiseling away at our civil rights, and making the
most powerful country into an international pariah, you're going to vote
*for* the person that is responsible for this when you voted *against* him
last time?
I'm also curious what the Democratic Party has suddenly done in the past
four years that altered your view?
Was it the surplus-turned-massive deficit? Oops, no. That was Republican,
the so-called conservatives.
Was it the Faith-based programs that funnel tax money into religious groups
that are, by law, permitted to discriminate? Oops, no. That was Republican,
the so-called conservatives.
Was it the laws that screwed the average American worker on protections
regarding overtime? Oops, no. That was Republican, the so-called
conservatives.
Was it the Federal Ban on funding for stem cell research based on religious
tripe? Oops, that was an Executive Order from a republican dumbass.
Was it the rewriting of research to conform with the preconceived notions of
politicians and their financial handlers or to keep people stupid in regard
to medical issues, completely ignoring facts and the scientists/doctors that
did the work? Oops, no. That was Republican, the so-called "honest"
politicians.
Was it the unprovoked attack and invasion of a sovereign nation, the first
in the history of this country's existence? Oops, no. That was Republican,
the so-called protectors of life**
(**tThough many people voted for the use of force, if necessary, the attack
on Iraq was specifically on the part of the president. Congress has not
declared war, as prescribed by the Constitution.)
Your position does not look good, already.
But you know what? I just don't want to be associated with a party that
claims as it's moral compass the likes of Larry Flynt, Michael Moore,
Whoopi
Goldberg, John Mellencamp, Howard Stern and that ilk, and that denigrates
the brave men and women in our military and the Americans that believe in
God and that the flag is sacred and that the traditions that Americans
have
long cherished still have value.
Several things come to mind here that make this "argument" of yours stink:
....all of them were 'democrat' four years ago when you claimed that you
worked for the Democrats.
....John Mellencamp? What did he do besides write/sing crappy music?
....Larry Flynt a *lot* longer. Since your memory is shorter than your *****,
you may want to remember that Larry Flynt tested the limits of free speech
in his parody of Jerry Falwell that went to the Supreme Court. Jerry Falwell
is the TV-preaching scam artist that is currently starting a law school with
the specific purpose of ignoring and overturning religious freedom and
'separation of church and state' in the Constitution. Plus, I am not ashamed
of looking at the human body. Sexual piety is for those that have bought
into the religious dogma of "sex is evil outside of marriage" and the
modesty 'codes' of the Bible.
All you've done is mention the most vocal critics of the Bush doctrine, in
typical right-wing, neocon fashion. These few people, assuming they were all
as bad as you try to claim by innuendo, are hardly representative of
democrats in general.
....which brings us to the painfully obvious: "Moral Compass" is a fundy
expression. You've now been outed as a fraud.
Congratulations for being unoriginal, shallow and transparent.
So, I leave the party to those that think a temper tantrum qualifies as a
Presidential campaign, abortion is the choice of convenience and
disorderly
conduct is a virtue.
"Temper tantrum?" Quite the opposite. It is Bush & Co., Inc, *NOT* Kerry,
that has a habit of saying things like "***** you," on the Senate floor; if
Kerry wins we "risk another devestating terrorist attack"; and criticizing
the president is akin to traitorous behavior and unpatriotic.
And there's another fundy code worde: 'virtue.'
I doubt I will ever be able to say I'm proud I voted Republican, but I can
sure say I'm proud I'll no longer be a Democrat.
More sing-song crap. You should feel downright dirty for voting for Bush,
and feel even worse for lying to the subscribers of this newsgroup. You
didn't actually believe that your "change of heart" argument would even last
thirty seconds in here, did you? Sorry, but we're not buying it.
Some of your fundy allies may be stupid enough to believe your *****, but
they are seriously lacking in critical analysis skills.
I do wish you well though and hope that maybe one day the Democratic party
will return to the once proud party of integrity, honesty and regain the
attitude that what is best for America is best for the party and not the
other way around.
The Republican Party of today (as is promoted in the Whitehouse) stands for
nothing conservative, and your condecending tone is a laughable expression
of your unqualified self-importance and horribly lacking insight.
My vote is not for the Democratic Party. My vote is for what's best for this
country, and that damn sure isn't Bush. "Four more years of Bush is like
four more years of syphillis." (Dr. Hunter S. Thompson)
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "hol99" |
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30 Oct 2004 09:56:20 PM |
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"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message
news:SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com...
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time
in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
But you know what? I just don't want to be associated with a party that
claims as it's moral compass the likes of Larry Flynt, Michael Moore,
Whoopi
Goldberg, John Mellencamp, Howard Stern and that ilk, and that denigrates
the brave men and women in our military and the Americans that believe in
God and that the flag is sacred and that the traditions that Americans
have
long cherished still have value.
So, I leave the party to those that think a temper tantrum qualifies as a
Presidential campaign, abortion is the choice of convenience and
disorderly
conduct is a virtue.
I doubt I will ever be able to say I'm proud I voted Republican, but I can
sure say I'm proud I'll no longer be a Democrat.
I do wish you well though and hope that maybe one day the Democratic party
will return to the once proud party of integrity, honesty and regain the
attitude that what is best for America is best for the party and not the
other way around.
--
Brooks Gregory
You should turn the Limbaugh off.
Dave
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Point Checklist For Dubya voters! |
30 Oct 2004 06:52:17 PM |
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"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message
news:SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com...
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time
in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
But you know what? I just don't want to be associated with a party that
claims as it's moral compass the likes of Larry Flynt, Michael Moore,
Whoopi
Goldberg, John Mellencamp, Howard Stern and that ilk, and that denigrates
the brave men and women in our military and the Americans that believe in
God and that the flag is sacred and that the traditions that Americans
have
long cherished still have value.
So, I leave the party to those that think a temper tantrum qualifies as a
Presidential campaign, abortion is the choice of convenience and
disorderly
conduct is a virtue.
I doubt I will ever be able to say I'm proud I voted Republican, but I can
sure say I'm proud I'll no longer be a Democrat.
I do wish you well though and hope that maybe one day the Democratic party
will return to the once proud party of integrity, honesty and regain the
attitude that what is best for America is best for the party and not the
other way around.
--
Brooks Gregory
http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/notconcerned.html
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Nov 2004 05:59:50 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:52:17 -0400, "GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message
news:SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com...
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time
in my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
So, you're voting for the greater of two weasels. (shrug)
But you know what? I just don't want to be associated with a party that
claims as it's moral compass the likes of Larry Flynt, Michael Moore,
Whoopi Goldberg, John Mellencamp, Howard Stern and that ilk, and that denigrates
the brave men and women in our military and the Americans that believe in
God and that the flag is sacred and that the traditions that Americans
have long cherished still have value.
Traditions such as; totalitarianism, fascism, lies, false witness,
greed, theft, censorship, silencing of dissent, the portrayal of
questioning as traitorous, daemonization and destruction of other
cultures, and more.
The flag is a piece of cloth which represents freedom. Such freedom
requires it be allowed to be utilized in ways unpleasant to many.
Yes, irony abounds.
Denigrates? You can find them wearing all political labels. I'd
certainly call it denigration to show the troops the terminal
disrespect the current administration has, but that's me. You see,
the administrations actions are the opposite of its verbage.
So, I leave the party to those that think a temper tantrum qualifies as a
Presidential campaign, abortion is the choice of convenience and
disorderly conduct is a virtue.
Convenience? You might consider the lady is being responsible.
I'm sorry you consider females to be nothing more than brood mares
enslaved to a group of parasitic cells. Perhaps the "good ole days"
pre Civil War should come back, too.
Disorderly conduct is a current Presidential virtue, as is violation
of his oath of office just as he violated his oath as an officer in
the TANG.
I doubt I will ever be able to say I'm proud I voted Republican, but I can
sure say I'm proud I'll no longer be a Democrat.
I'm really sorry, you put so much stock in a meaningless label.
I do wish you well though and hope that maybe one day the Democratic party
will return to the once proud party of integrity, honesty and regain the
attitude that what is best for America is best for the party and not the
other way around.
(snort) You've jumped from the 'frying pan' right into the 'blast
furnace.'
Are you through with your posturing, Mr. Gregory?
--
Brooks Gregory
http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/notconcerned.html
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "Donalbain" |
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02 Nov 2004 05:49:16 AM |
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"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message news:<SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>...
the brave men and women in our military and the Americans that believe in
God and that the flag is sacred
Leviticus 19:4 - Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten
gods: I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 26:1 - Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither
rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of
stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God
Corinthians 10:14 - Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife,
seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings,
and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you
in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the
kingdom of God
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| User: "Mtc Lady" |
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31 Oct 2004 05:48:08 AM |
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"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message news:<SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>...
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
Ever considered becoming an Independent? Your Republican vote makes
sense, Brooks. You are an idiot. Only idiots vote Bush/Cheney.
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| User: "Mjkenoyer" |
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31 Oct 2004 02:44:54 AM |
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"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message news:<SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>...
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
But you know what? I just don't want to be associated with a party that
claims as its moral compass the likes of Larry Flynt, Michael Moore, Whoopi
Goldberg, John Mellencamp, Howard Stern and that ilk, and that denigrates
the brave men and women in our military and the Americans that believe in
God and that the flag is sacred and that the traditions that Americans have
long cherished still have value.
I am so sick of conservatives (falsely) accusing liberals and
Democrats of a) not supporting the military; and b) denigrating a
belief in God. I voted for Kerry BECAUSE I support our troops and I
want to see people like my cousin (who is in the Marines) get better
treatment, more honest information, and benefits for the sacrifices
they make for us.
I also wouldn't have sent them to a war under false pretenses in the
first place--how the hell do you think that makes our guys out in Iraq
feel, when they find out our President lied to us (and them) about the
reasons we went to war in the first place?? Christ, the ones in our
administration who OPPOSED the war from the outset just happened to
have been...imagine...in the _military_!
And the whole liberals-don't-believe-in-God thing is a crock of *****.
I believe very much in God, and believe that He teaches us to love,
share with, and give service to one another regardless of race, creed,
nationality, political affiliation, sexual orientation, etc. etc. As
the bumpersticker says, "God is neither a Democrat nor a Republican."
The religious right's insistence that there is a monopoly on God and
how to believe in Him truly sickens me, and is anything BUT Christian.
So, I leave the party to those that think a temper tantrum qualifies as a
Presidential campaign,
You need look only to your own President to see said temper tantrums.
Remember how Bush fared in the debates, after talking over even the
moderator's time limits? The guy is a mental case. OTOH, I have never
seen John Kerry pull a temper tantrum during his campaign or during
the debates. He is the definition of cool-headed.
abortion is the choice of convenience
Again, another falsehood. Many liberals, such as myself, do not even
believe in abortion. Yet most of us on or near the left agree that it
is none of our business what goes on in another person's body.
Believe it or not, abortions actually went _up_ during the Bush
administration, because people weren't making as good of a living, and
thus felt less apt to provide for a child in their lives. The
objective of many groups such as Planned Parenthood is NOT to become
convenience abortion factories, but to make abortion as rare as
possible, not a convenience, through honest-to-God education and
information about human sexuality and (duh) how babies are made if you
don't use contraception.
and disorderly conduct is a virtue.
Like the temper-tantrum bit, another proscription toward the Democrats
when the Republicans' hands are definitely not clean in this matter
also. Getting caught in sex scandals (cheating), suppressing peoples'
right to vote based on increasing numbers for Bush (more cheating),
falsifying information in Swift Boat Veteran ads (still more
cheating)--that all qualifies to me as "disorderly conduct", no?
I doubt I will ever be able to say I'm proud I voted Republican, but I can
sure say I'm proud I'll no longer be a Democrat.
Oh, give me a break.
I do wish you well though and hope that maybe one day the Democratic party
will return to the once proud party of integrity, honesty and regain the
attitude that what is best for America is best for the party and not the
other way around.
Enjoy the Kool-Aid.
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| User: "Chris" |
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31 Oct 2004 09:50:25 AM |
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"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message news:<SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>...
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
Liar. You have never been a Democrat.
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| User: "T.Carr" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Point Checklist For Dubya voters! |
31 Oct 2004 05:21:38 PM |
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(Chris) wrote in message news:<686c02c0.0410310750.5ec538d5@posting.google.com>...
"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message news:<SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>...
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
(Chris)
Liar. You have never been a Democrat.
Prove it.
T.Carr
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| User: "Brooks Gregory" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Point Checklist For Dubya voters! |
31 Oct 2004 05:51:46 PM |
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"T.Carr" <tcarr13398@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c7ddae2f.0410311521.58787d13@posting.google.com...
: (Chris) wrote in message
news:<686c02c0.0410310750.5ec538d5@posting.google.com>...
: > "Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message
news:<SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>...
: > > I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first
time in
: > > my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats
for
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: > Liar. You have never been a Democrat.
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Be happy to. What's it worth to you and what will you accept as proof?
Brooks Gregory
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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14 Nov 2004 07:00:51 PM |
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In article <c7ddae2f.0410311521.58787d13@posting.google.com> (T.Carr) wrote:
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com (Chris)
You're going to thank me for this.
Prove it.
Show us how much that loser paid Mr?
T.Carr
T.
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Lady Chatterly
"That BOTS are not humans, and reposting their posts are useless. :-)
Get a clue!" -- -= The NIGHT BOT =-
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| User: "Charles R Ward" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Point Checklist For Dubya voters! |
31 Oct 2004 03:17:00 AM |
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"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message news:<SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>...
snips.
believe in
God and that the flag is sacred
Isn't a statement like that contrary to one of those comandment thingies?
Charles R Ward
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Nov 2004 07:36:26 PM |
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On 31 Oct 2004 01:17:00 -0800, (Charles R Ward)
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"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote in message news:<SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>...
snips.
believe in
God and that the flag is sacred
Isn't a statement like that contrary to one of those comandment thingies?
Since when has the Ten Commandments mattered to Christians?
Charles R Ward
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| Title: A vote for Dubya is a vote for Osama |
01 Nov 2004 03:27:28 PM |
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"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote:
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
But you know what? I just don't want to be associated with a party that
claims as it's moral compass the likes of Larry Flynt, Michael Moore, Whoopi
Goldberg, John Mellencamp, Howard Stern and that ilk, and that denigrates
the brave men and women in our military and the Americans that believe in
God and that the flag is sacred and that the traditions that Americans have
long cherished still have value.
The "democrats" you decide to list may strike you as gross on the
outside... but underneath it all, how can you really compare people
infamous for nothing more than speaking exactly what is on their minds
(good or bad) to... lying, deceiving murderers? Sure Dubya dresses
nice, and always has his smile when talking about good guys, his scowl
when talking about bad-guys. But we never get to know what he *really*
thinks about anything. We only get to see the results: lots and lots
and LOTS of dead people around the world. And policies clearly formed
around corporate profits and pleasing special interests. And above
all, a guy who apparently hasn't worked a day in the past 4 months
while we've paid him for campaigning - all the while telling us what a
great job he's going to do.
Dubya is probably the worst president we've ever had in this country.
But I support your right to vote for him. If this is where our country
wants to go -- toward "sacred flags" and "god in the constitution" and
all that foolishness that would have our Founding Fathers spinning in
their graves... if that is what we collectively want, then fine --
let's explore that road. Theocracy doesn't seem to be working so well
in the Middle East... but I know, we're "different", right? We've got
the "right god", or something like that.
Hey, here's a question for all you Kerry bashers: if Cheney, Dubya,
Giuliani were all such "hawks" in the Viet Nam era... why didn't they
serve their country?
Why did a "peacenik" named John Kerry actually put his life on the
line for his country?
So, I leave the party to those that think a temper tantrum qualifies as a
Presidential campaign, abortion is the choice of convenience and disorderly
conduct is a virtue.
Not clear what you mean by tantrums - Bush is they guy that lost the
debates because of his arrogant tantrums. He is the first president
we've ever had who honestly believes that only people that have signed
a pledge to him should be allowed to answer questions -- and that
those questions should be screened first.
About "disorderly conduct" -- I swear, all republicans care about is
protocol. If you dress nice, speak cordially, have simple responses to
complex questions --- then you are good.
Take that to it's logical endpoint, and you have Nazis.
About abortion -- who *LIKES* abortion? If you really don't like it,
give people options, educate people. Do something. But don't pass it
off on something as amoral and inhuman as a government. Government has
neither the moral high ground to impose *or even the ability to
enforce* your personal moral judgment on abortion. People had them
before a Republican-weighted Judiciary appointed upheld Roe vs. Wade
(Nixon's two appointees voted for choice; Kennedy's lone appointee
voted *against* it). Just because you think Bush has a special
relationship with God doesn't make it time to become a theocracy.
I doubt I will ever be able to say I'm proud I voted Republican, but I can
sure say I'm proud I'll no longer be a Democrat.
For a God loving man, you certainly do indulge in a lot of pride.
I think what America needs now is *humility*.
I do wish you well though and hope that maybe one day the Democratic party
will return to the once proud party of integrity, honesty and regain the
attitude that what is best for America is best for the party and not the
other way around.
The problem isn't our politicians -- the problem is us for giving the
wrong ones the power. There are plenty of Democrats - and probably
Republicans too - with great integrity. But we as a people only let
politicians who lie well get in to power. And we reward whoever can
get deepest in to the pockets of special interests too, because we let
their advertising campaigns choose our votes.
Is there a Democrat or Republican in the country with more proven
"integrity" than, say, Dennis Kucinich? But we laugh at the idea of
him being President.
Maybe it is time to ask why we laugh -- is it because he speaks
honestly instead of in dressed-up political speak? Or because he won't
get in the pockets of special interest enough to make his voice heard
as loudly as we require a politician to be heard?
We as a society are so full of fear, we have no idea anymore of where
we are going. All this "Pride in America", "Sacred Flag", "God Bless
Us" talk is only so much hot-air to disguise the fact that we've let
ourselves as a society, become no more than a petrified, spineless
herd, pretending that God's going to save us from having to face any
real decisions or consequences.
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01 Nov 2004 03:37:46 PM |
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"Opinionated" <paleostinian@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8f66affe.0411011327.56b64943@posting.google.com...
: "Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote:
: > I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first
time in
: > my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats
for
: > 35 years.
: >
: > But you know what? I just don't want to be associated with a party that
: > claims as it's moral compass the likes of Larry Flynt, Michael Moore,
Whoopi
: > Goldberg, John Mellencamp, Howard Stern and that ilk, and that
denigrates
: > the brave men and women in our military and the Americans that believe
in
: > God and that the flag is sacred and that the traditions that Americans
have
: > long cherished still have value.
:
: The "democrats" you decide to list may strike you as gross on the
: outside... but underneath it all, how can you really compare people
: infamous for nothing more than speaking exactly what is on their minds
: (good or bad) to... lying, deceiving murderers? Sure Dubya dresses
: nice, and always has his smile when talking about good guys, his scowl
: when talking about bad-guys. But we never get to know what he *really*
: thinks about anything. We only get to see the results: lots and lots
: and LOTS of dead people around the world. And policies clearly formed
: around corporate profits and pleasing special interests. And above
: all, a guy who apparently hasn't worked a day in the past 4 months
: while we've paid him for campaigning - all the while telling us what a
: great job he's going to do.
:
: Dubya is probably the worst president we've ever had in this country.
:
: But I support your right to vote for him. If this is where our country
: wants to go -- toward "sacred flags" and "god in the constitution" and
: all that foolishness that would have our Founding Fathers spinning in
: their graves... if that is what we collectively want, then fine --
: let's explore that road. Theocracy doesn't seem to be working so well
: in the Middle East... but I know, we're "different", right? We've got
: the "right god", or something like that.
:
: Hey, here's a question for all you Kerry bashers: if Cheney, Dubya,
: Giuliani were all such "hawks" in the Viet Nam era... why didn't they
: serve their country?
:
: Why did a "peacenik" named John Kerry actually put his life on the
: line for his country?
:
: > So, I leave the party to those that think a temper tantrum qualifies as
a
: > Presidential campaign, abortion is the choice of convenience and
disorderly
: > conduct is a virtue.
:
: Not clear what you mean by tantrums - Bush is they guy that lost the
: debates because of his arrogant tantrums. He is the first president
: we've ever had who honestly believes that only people that have signed
: a pledge to him should be allowed to answer questions -- and that
: those questions should be screened first.
:
: About "disorderly conduct" -- I swear, all republicans care about is
: protocol. If you dress nice, speak cordially, have simple responses to
: complex questions --- then you are good.
:
: Take that to it's logical endpoint, and you have Nazis.
:
: About abortion -- who *LIKES* abortion? If you really don't like it,
: give people options, educate people. Do something. But don't pass it
: off on something as amoral and inhuman as a government. Government has
: neither the moral high ground to impose *or even the ability to
: enforce* your personal moral judgment on abortion. People had them
: before a Republican-weighted Judiciary appointed upheld Roe vs. Wade
: (Nixon's two appointees voted for choice; Kennedy's lone appointee
: voted *against* it). Just because you think Bush has a special
: relationship with God doesn't make it time to become a theocracy.
:
:
:
: > I doubt I will ever be able to say I'm proud I voted Republican, but I
can
: > sure say I'm proud I'll no longer be a Democrat.
:
: For a God loving man, you certainly do indulge in a lot of pride.
:
: I think what America needs now is *humility*.
:
: > I do wish you well though and hope that maybe one day the Democratic
party
: > will return to the once proud party of integrity, honesty and regain the
: > attitude that what is best for America is best for the party and not the
: > other way around.
:
: The problem isn't our politicians -- the problem is us for giving the
: wrong ones the power. There are plenty of Democrats - and probably
: Republicans too - with great integrity. But we as a people only let
: politicians who lie well get in to power. And we reward whoever can
: get deepest in to the pockets of special interests too, because we let
: their advertising campaigns choose our votes.
:
: Is there a Democrat or Republican in the country with more proven
: "integrity" than, say, Dennis Kucinich? But we laugh at the idea of
: him being President.
:
: Maybe it is time to ask why we laugh -- is it because he speaks
: honestly instead of in dressed-up political speak? Or because he won't
: get in the pockets of special interest enough to make his voice heard
: as loudly as we require a politician to be heard?
:
: We as a society are so full of fear, we have no idea anymore of where
: we are going. All this "Pride in America", "Sacred Flag", "God Bless
: Us" talk is only so much hot-air to disguise the fact that we've let
: ourselves as a society, become no more than a petrified, spineless
: herd, pretending that God's going to save us from having to face any
: real decisions or consequences.
Your opinion might be worth something if you were not so ashamed of it that
you won't even put your own integrity at risk for it. My opinions get
published in my hometown paper under my real name. And you won't even put
the power of your real name behind your opinion on the internet. What kind
of Democrat is that?
--
Brooks Gregory
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| User: "Virgil" |
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31 Oct 2004 02:11:35 AM |
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In article <SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>,
"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote:
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time.
Some people are invincibly ignorant.
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Nov 2004 07:34:11 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 02:11:35 -0600, Virgil
<ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote:
In article <SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>,
"Brooks Gregory" <brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote:
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time.
Some people are invincibly ignorant.
And dishonest.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Point Checklist For Dubya voters! |
30 Oct 2004 10:36:56 PM |
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In article <SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>,
brooksgregory@sbctelco.com says...
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
Prove it. Who was the first democrat you worked for and where. You
volunteered the alleged information, probably in the hope that it would
make your dubious claim sound more convincing. Now show us why you are
supporting a disaster of a president that you supposedly voted against
four years ago.
But you know what? I just don't want to be associated with a party that
claims as it's moral compass
You sure use the code words of a radical right winger. For liberals our
only "moral compass" is careful reasoning and sound argumentation. We
don't have black and white, simplistic and absolutist criteria.
the likes of Larry Flynt
What is your major objection to Larry Flynt? What do you know about
him? Why is the human body such a shameful thing to you?
, Michael Moore,
Again, what do you actually know about him that you didn't hear at your
hitler young, farenhype 911 screenings, you repug shill? Have you
actually met Moore? No matter how many things Moore gets wrong in his
films, Bush has purposely deceived the American people about far more
grave and unforgivable issues.
Whoopi
Goldberg, John Mellencamp, Howard Stern
Again, what is wrong with any of these folks. You obviously are a
shallow individual who wrongly imagines he knows people based upon
little more than rumor, prejudice and innuendo.
and that ilk, and that denigrates
the brave men and women in our military
Oh ***** yourself to death. It takes more bravery to oppose the the evil
of the Bush administration than to be a conformist ***** who is
blackmailed into serving corporate masters.
and the Americans that believe in
God
***** you, ***** your imaginary god and ***** the disgusting way that you
debase and betray america by implying that others have to share your
idiotic beliefs to be a good citizen.
and that the flag is sacred
Horseshit. Our flag has stood for good and noble causes, but we have
not been perfect. Fortunately we have learned from some of our military
misjudgments, except, of course, the swiftboat traitors and their ilk,
who refuse grasp the lessons of vietnam.
and that the traditions that Americans have
long cherished still have value.
To hell with your worthless traditions and your hollow values.
So, I leave the party to those that think a temper tantrum qualifies as a
Presidential campaign,
That would be quintessentially what the characteristic of republican
campaigns, especially during the clinton years.
abortion is the choice of convenience
It's an absolute right, without which women would not be able to
function as fully enfranchised human beings. They should always be
guided by choice, not chance.
and disorderly
conduct is a virtue.
Again, only a complete coward and worthless scumbag would think that
civil disobedience is never justified. Yet you're the same warmongers
who think that state sponsored violence should be the first resort,
rather the final option.
I doubt I will ever be able to say I'm proud I voted Republican, but I can
sure say I'm proud I'll no longer be a Democrat.
You were never a Democrat, you lying sack of *****, and I'm exceedingly
proud that you were never part of my party. In fact you're damn lucky
that I never met you in person because I might have had to put my foot
up your ***** and give you some brain surgery.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "duke" |
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31 Oct 2004 07:08:21 AM |
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:36:56 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>,
brooksgregory@sbctelco.com says...
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
Prove it.
Grow up quib. Your 'rat party is just about "round the bowl and down the hole".
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Point Checklist For Dubya voters! |
14 Nov 2004 07:00:24 PM |
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In article <1so9o0176cg0p89se4md5ejhl1l3cvi4c5@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:36:56 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>,
brooksgregory@sbctelco.com says...
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
Prove it.
Grow up quib. Your 'rat party is just about "round the bowl and down the hole".
You donate your face hurt?
--
Lady Chatterly
"Getting your ***** kicked again I see. Lady C is quickly becomeing my
hero." -- Crawdad
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Point Checklist For Dubya voters! |
31 Oct 2004 08:48:08 AM |
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In article <1so9o0176cg0p89se4md5ejhl1l3cvi4c5@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:36:56 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>,
brooksgregory@sbctelco.com says...
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
Prove it.
Grow up quib.
I'm more mature than you'll ever be.
Your 'rat party is just about "round the bowl and down the hole".
So that's your idea of maturity? On top of that, you very obviously
just cribbed this from some talk radio tirade. Bush knows that he's
lost and that's why he's making a last, desperate gasp at
disenfranchising voters. No incumbent in modern history has ever been
as unpopular as Bush and still won.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Brooks Gregory" |
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03 Nov 2004 07:36:54 AM |
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"quibbler"
Bush knows that he's
: lost and that's why he's making a last, desperate gasp at
: disenfranchising voters. No incumbent in modern history has ever been
: as unpopular as Bush and still won.
:
: --
: Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
: "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
: threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
: disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
: made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
: comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
: eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "duke" |
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01 Nov 2004 05:48:54 AM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 07:48:08 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
Prove it.
Grow up quib.
I'm more mature than you'll ever be.
No, your childish comment "prove it" above disproves that.
Your 'rat party is just about "round the bowl and down the hole".
So that's your idea of maturity?
DOA on arrival.
On top of that, you very obviously
just cribbed this from some talk radio tirade.
Nope. It's a football game rally cheer against the Alabumble Crimson Tide - "round the
bowl and down the hole, roll Tide roll".
Bush knows that he's
lost and that's why he's making a last, desperate gasp at
disenfranchising voters. No incumbent in modern history has ever been
as unpopular as Bush and still won.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Point Checklist For Dubya voters! |
14 Nov 2004 07:01:19 PM |
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In article <od8co0tcennkbrjof787anl7b4gj0baj9j@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 07:48:08 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican. And, I worked for the Democrats for
35 years.
Prove it.
Grow up quib.
I'm more mature than you'll ever be.
No, your childish comment "prove it" above disproves that.
Your face is a cure for peeping toms.
Your 'rat party is just about "round the bowl and down the hole".
So that's your idea of maturity?
DOA on arrival.
What other connections do you see?
On top of that, you very obviously
just cribbed this from some talk radio tirade.
Nope. It's a football game rally cheer against the Alabumble Crimson Tide - "round the
bowl and down the hole, roll Tide roll".
That Guy it would.
--
Lady Chatterly
"I declare the winner of that bout to be Lady Chatterly" -- Stickems
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| User: "Linc Madison" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Point Checklist For Dubya voters! |
30 Oct 2004 10:28:58 PM |
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In article <SuVgd.3621191$ic1.366807@news.easynews.com>, Brooks Gregory
<brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote:
But you know what? I just don't want to be associated with a party
that claims as it's moral compass the likes of Larry Flynt, Michael
Moore, Whoopi Goldberg, John Mellencamp, Howard Stern and that ilk,
So instead you're going with the party that claims as its moral compass
the likes of Ken Lay, Sinclair Broadcasting, Richard Nixon, and Joe
McCarthy?
and that denigrates the brave men and women in our military
The Democrats do not denigrate the brave men and women in our military.
The Democrats denigrate the incompetent buffoons in the White House who
failed to think through how to deploy those brave men and women.
It's the Republicans, like Rudy Giuliani, who denigrate the soldiers.
and the Americans that believe in God and that the flag is sacred and
that the traditions that Americans have long cherished still have
value.
The Democrats do not denigrate Americans who believe in God. The
Democrats denigrate those who try to impose a single vision of God upon
everyone else.
The Democrats hold the flag sacred, but they hold far more sacred the
principles of which the flag is a mere emblem. If the cloth itself is
worth more than the freedom it represents, then that is not "the values
Americans have long cherished."
The Republicans denigrate the traditional Republican values of limited
government (the size of government grew under Bush, after SHRINKING
under Clinton), economic responsibility (record surplus turned to
record deficit), and personal responsibility (a President who has, by
any account, made many serious mistakes, but refuses to admit to any of
them, much less to take corrective action).
I do wish you well though and hope that maybe one day the Democratic
party will return to the once proud party of integrity, honesty and
regain the attitude that what is best for America is best for the
party and not the other way around.
I can't claim the Democratic Party as a paragon of purity and virtue,
but I will say that the Republican Party strays farther from the ideals
you cite than the Democrats do.
INTEGRITY: where is the integrity in going to war on false pretenses?
Where is the integrity in saying that we will be humble in our use of
military power, and then changing that to "Bring it on!"?
HONESTY: the Bush administration has outdone the Nixon administration
for secrecy, obfuscation and outright lying. Having lived through
Watergate, I never thought I would see an American administration more
dishonest than Nixon, but we have one now.
BEST FOR AMERICA: George Bush is the most divisive President since the
Civil War. He is demonstrably making America less safe, he has led
America into an illegal war that most of us don't support (at least,
not if given the facts), and he has bankrupted the government, leaving
a legacy of massive debt to our children, grandchildren, and great
grandchildren. He and ***** Cheney have actively promoted the idea that
anyone who disagrees with the administration on any issue is being
unpatriotic -- the exact opposite of the principle you cite.
It is your right to vote as you wish, but your stated reasons simply
don't make sense, even by the standards of the principles you yourself
cite.
--
Linc Madison * San Francisco, California *
All U.S. and California anti-spam laws apply, incl. CA BPC 17538.45(c)
This text constitutes actual notice as required in BPC 17538.45(f)(3).
DO NOT SEND UNSOLICITED E-MAIL TO THIS ADDRESS. You have been warned.
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| User: "Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Point Checklist For Dubya voters! |
31 Oct 2004 01:39:30 PM |
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Bush has failed on 9-11 every step of the way. Bush failed to prevent
the biggest attack on US soil since World War II. Bush failed to hold
ANYONE in his administration responsible for the single greatest
intelligence failure in decades if not our entire history. Bush failed
to hunt down and kill Osama Bin Laden. Bush failed to support a
serious inquiry into the failures of our government by the 9-11
commisson. Bush failed to cooperate with that commission every step of
the way. Bush lied by claiming he supported the commission's
recommendations but has now failed again in getting those reforms put
into action. Yep, everyone now agrees that the desperately needed
reform of our intelligence agencies (and of Congress's oversight of
those agencies) is NOT going to happen before the election.
Shalom,
---Leland Milton Goldblatt, Ph.D. ®
Distinguished Professor
http://www.prof.faithweb.com
http://drgoldblatt.blogspot.com/
Religious right believes Bush truly is the candidate of God. Well, the
Folks In Heaven's Gate thought the Hale-Bopp comet would take them
away. We all know how THAT turned out.
If you kill one innocent human being it is murder. If you slaughter
thousands, it is "regime change."
The Reverend Leland Milton Goldblatt one of America's foremost civil
rights, religious and political figures. Over the past fifty years he
has played a pivotal role in virtually every movement for empowerment,
peace, civil rights, gender equality, and economic and social justice.
Reverend Leland Milton Goldblatt has been called the "Conscience of
the Nation" and "the Great Unifier.
But politics happens before history and, as the first Republican
president said long ago, you can fool some of the people all of the
time. All that takes is a contempt for the idea of democracy. It does
not matter what you tell people if you believe they will probably not
understand and probably not care when they realize they were
deliberately deceived.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: 10 Point Checklist For Dubya voters! |
30 Oct 2004 07:15:46 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:30:58 GMT, "Brooks Gregory"
<brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote:
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time in
my life I have voted for a Republican.
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court-ordered?
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| User: "Fester" |
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30 Oct 2004 07:34:07 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:qib8o0dagrh6sjm8pvrco7o38vc4ll2vnt@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:30:58 GMT, "Brooks Gregory"
<brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote:
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time
in
my life I have voted for a Republican.
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court-ordered?
Witness what passes for argument among the loony left.
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| User: "Jez" |
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31 Oct 2004 03:35:08 PM |
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Fester wrote:
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:qib8o0dagrh6sjm8pvrco7o38vc4ll2vnt@4ax.com...
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:30:58 GMT, "Brooks Gregory"
<brooksgregory@sbctelco.com> wrote:
I'm going to vote for George W. Bush this time. It will be the first time
in
my life I have voted for a Republican.
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court-ordered?
Witness what passes for argument among the loony left.
Pot-kettle-black came to mind after reading that sentence
We've given up using reason to argue with you....your too far gone to
accept facts, and can only deal with illusions spun by the GOP and
spread by the vile insidious media sycophants.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
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